MAY 22, 2009 12:41PM

Look How Far We've Fallen

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            There was a time when we could proudly say about our country, “Look how far we have come.” Now we must lament, “Look how far we have fallen.” In today’s letters to the editor section of the Minneapolis Star Tribune a woman commented about “enhanced interrogation techniques some feel are torture.” In one way you cannot really blame her for this statement of ignorance about U.S. and international law. Even our best newspapers are blurring the line between what is legal and illegal.

            In its praise of President Obama’s speech yesterday, the New York Times characterized his proposal for “preventive detention” of some Guantanamo prisoners as a policy “we’re not convinced is needed.” Are you kidding me? Not needed. It’s unconstitutional. It’s illegal. The president of the United States is talking about holding people without the benefit of habeas corpus (due process) indefinitely, not for crimes they have committed, but for the ones they might commit in the future, and all the Times can say is that they are not convinced it is needed. This statement is a de facto admission that we are no longer a democracy under law. We have become a nation ruled by an imperial presidency. No wonder the Minneapolis woman doesn’t know the difference between torture being illegal and how some people “feel.”

            Beyond the fact that Obama is talking this way, what is most troubling is that the New York Times response may be symptomatic of the slack Democrats and some liberals are cutting Obama when they castigated President Bush for saying and doing the same thing. What Obama is talking about is substantially no different than Bush using the designation “enemy combatant” to justify indefinite detention “of the worst of the worst,” to use Donald Rumsfeld’s language. Those who criticized Bush for gutting the Constitution and betraying American values were right to do so. They are wrong if they give Obama a pass for the same betrayal.   

            That we can no longer stand firm on the rule of law as a nation is the real legacy of the Bush administration. It succeeded in exploiting fear to such an extent that our national character has been severely damaged, perhaps irreparably so. What is more, Senate Democrats proved this week in their rejection of funds to close Guantanamo that Republican fear mongering still works, at least on them. This is a dangerous time in our history, not because of the threat of terrorists, but the fatal wounds they are leading us to inflict on ourselves. That torturing prisoners is even being debated illustrates how far we have fallen as a people. That one president can adopt a policy that undermines our Constitution and his successor then propose to veil that policy with an appearance of “congressional oversight” makes a mockery of our collective values. Freedom carries risks. That is the message a great leader brings to a democratic state. He does not talk about the sanctity of the rule of law and then propose a “regime” that contradicts it. Yet “regime” may be just the word to describe the way Obama sees his presidency.

            Daily I hope for good things from this president, and every day I become more disillusioned. The counsel that we need to give him a chance to get his own policies in place rings hollow when those very policies embody what we voted to reject last November. Obama is a skilled orator, but more and more he is proving that political speech can be sophistry.

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Sorry we have been the same country for the past 50 years. Some good some bad. Is water boarding the darkest moment in our history? Not by a long shot. Fact is every country has its dark moments. War usually brings them out in people.

It's a mess for sure, but it did not start overnight. And frankly the people we are detaining do shoulder some of the responsibility for being captured and put in prison. Since they are enemy combatants and prisoners of war, they do not get the benefits of a trial. Maybe next time they will not think "Hey let's crash a plane into America and see what happens"

We sit in this country in relative safety and a boat load of freedom, so we have the luxury to be self loathing. But, in reality the world is far more dangerous, less forgiving, and far more violent and brutal than the average American can understand. Our policy should be trade with us, discuss your problems in an open forum, seek peaceful partnership with us, but attack us and we will level your country.
Once again we see the confusion between "people we are detaining" and "captured enemy combatants". A high percentage of the detainees had nothing whatsoever to do with attacking US troops, they were turned over in order to collect a bounty. They never did think "hey let's crash a plane" nor were they in any way dangerous to the US.

This glossing over such important distinctions has become common in the US, and the media bear a heavy responsibility for it. Rather than clarifying the issues, rather than digging into the facts, the media treat all issues as a political horserace, concerned only with whether something gives one or the other party an advantage. The truth of a politician's statements is never assessed, only whether it will have some political effect.
Cosmic,

Maybe I should clarify, I don't think the prisoners are all enemy combatants or involved with terror. I am only saying that is the legal argument being used.

Now on the other hand, there are some that are truly terrorist and enemy combatants, who are still prisoners in an on going war. What is not reported in the news are many have been released because they were truly just turned in for the bounty. War makes people do stupid things, and there will always be some who will profit from the chose of war. Even relatives trying to get rid of family members.

Also, (not that this is a justification) of all the detainees only three were water boarded and they were top leaders. Both sides are guilty of selective reporting and information. I find so much of what is passed off as objective is really well selected editorial being paraded as news reporting.

Every country, every civilization, and every person has had their dark moments in time. But, one thing that I find unique about this country is there can be an open discussion of the problems by the people of this country.

Fact is we won and historically the winner does not give a rat's ass about the feelings or rights of the loser. America is one of the few countries if not the only one that is willing because of its laws to correct itself even when an enemy is involved. I still have hope of the average American to want to make things right.