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OCTOBER 1, 2009 12:34PM

Twittering a Miscarriage: Full Disclosure or Overexposure?

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twitterblackberryUSEA friend of mine alerted me yesterday to the hoopla surrounding a tweet from entrepreneur and career counselor to young women, Penelope Trunk, who posted the following last week: "I'm in a board meeting. Having a miscarriage. Thank goodness, because there's a fucked-up 3-week hoop-jump to have an abortion in Wisconsin." 

The tweet has sparked controversy throughout the blogosphere, particularly on women's sites, from feminist protesting Trunk's cavalier approach to abortion to concerns about the appropriateness of the material. Amanda Marcotte, controversial blogger and pot-stirrer par excellence, supported the tweet as "an elegant instance of the power of Twitter." 

Comments ranged from the predictable "gross!" to the sympathetic "perhaps this is how she expresses her grief" and naturally, the moral implications of abortion have been front and center. 

My first question is: in our brave (or perhaps I should say, narcissistic) world of full and immediate disclosure, is anything off-limits?

I've always said that if content disturbs you, you are free to ignore it. In the good old days of print journalism, the "naughty" magazines came in brown wrappers and movies were (and still are, sort of) rated so you knew what you were getting into - or not.

But tweets go to the followers, who send them to others, who dissect and analyze them and then forward them to all sorts of outlets. How could I - or my nine-year-old niece - have avoided this tweet?  Do I want her thinking everyone is (or should be) this seemingly easy-going about a miscarriage or an abortion? Will she be fooled into thinking these issues come with no more emotional complications than perhaps irritation or relief?

Trunk argues that miscarriage is a fact of life and life intrudes on work, and you can't manage the balance if you can't talk about it. I agree. Lots of things are facts of life: the messiness of grief, the reality of resenting one's  offspring, the gracelessness of aging, or petty pleasure one occasionally takes from seeing someone else fail. Maybe these things do need to come out in the open. Besides, tweeting about the taboo is a great career-booster.

But to my second question: can you really describe anything important in 140 characters? 

 

 

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Twits tweeting on Twitter? You be the judge.
Reading Trunk's tweet, I'm not sure I would characterize her miscarriage as "important" to her. And that's a perfectly valid way to feel. If someone feels relief about a miscarriage, then that's the way they feel, and they should not be chastised about that.

So, perhaps in her mind, this was the best way to deal with it.

Has no one ever tweeted before about all of the messy, physical things that go along with menstruation and pregnancy? I would put this in the same category.
"I'm in a board meeting. Having a miscarriage. Thank goodness, because there's a fucked-up 3-week hoop-jump to have an abortion in Wisconsin."

and then in response?:
"perhaps this is how she expresses her grief"

do women HAVE to grieve?

I have kids. I've also had abortions. I did not grieve.. I do now. but then, all I could feel was relief and gratitude.

this is what one issue that disturbs me in this debate, that we, the carriers of are expected to have enormous residual feelings towards these tiny fetuses, when it truth, when it is we do NOT want to carry them. So for whatever our reason for our choice, we shut DOWN those feelings if we even have them.

are we supposed to drag our sad moiurning uteruses around, weeping inconsolably for babies we cannot or will not carry, self flagellating publicly? do men weep for their semen or women for their eggs that are shed every month?

I'm so sick of this ridiculous debate because we all know the truth: if it were men carrying babies, abortion clinics would be as popular as mcdonalds and as readily available.
It's her decision. I couldn't talk about my miscarriage until six years after the fact and then, only anonymously on my OS blog. My family doesn't know, and neither do my friends.

I agree with Jeanette; I don't think it's an important event to her.
I think you got this one figured... Self absorption disease (SARS) and the twits who tweet, hmm... good post...
@ Patrick. Self-absorption disease - maybe SAD? Good one.
As nofrillsmonkey says, women don't have to grieve about this. I highly doubt that Trunk is the first woman to be glad to have a pregnancy end without having to "do" anything.

Although I'm not a big fan of "twitter culture", I think there needs to a conversation about this, and if this is what it takes to get that conservation going, then that's a good thing.
First, how do we know what she said is true? That's my problem with people --especially strangers-- overreacting to other people's Tweets... sometimes a cigar is just a cigar and sometimes it's a smokescreen. Even if true, it's her business. Though if she Trumpets it, she should know she'll get blowback.

I follow my favorites for personal or global updates and send out the same, sometimes even Tweeting ::gasp:: just for fun. I also know there will come a time I'll use Twitter and Facebook and OS to share news that takes less than 140 characters. Not looking forward to that.
@Jeanette: I agree; there does need to be a conversation. I also think there are almost too many issues here: whether the subject should be tweeted, what she (supposedly) feels about miscarriage or abortion, how far and how fast her information travels and - this goes @Sally - whether she's saying what she's saying to be honest or to be provocative. If it's the latter, it certainly worked. She was "clipped" on MSNBC, CNN and AOL.
See, this is why I don't have a Twitter account. So many twits simply titter on Twitter that the constant tweeting would be defeating.

Technology is not always a good thing. :-D

Thumbed. And no, you cannot possibly describe anything important in 140 characters unless you are Hemingway.
I dunno, I'm just glad not to be one of her followers.
It all comes down to her intention. If we take her at her tweet, then she very much wanted an abortion and was stressed that this wasn't something more easily available. As it should be. It's a simple procedure and any woman who decides to have an abortion in an affluent country, in which it is legal, should not have to suffer through a three week wait. She must have been HUGELY relieved at that miscarriage. I imagine her tweet was somewhat gleeful. And she wanted to make a point, that nature was doing a better job of taking care of her than her own state health care system.

Of course, as a political statement, it seems to have backfired and been interpreted as a cavalier attitude towards pregnancy. It is, and it isn't. It's a big deal to have to wait three weeks for an abortion. A very big deal, in which an unhappy situation is made substantially worse.

I think people should be taking that part of the tweet a little more seriously.
Well, I'm not one to judge what should and shouldn't be shared online -since I've written about topics like herpes, abortion and hemorrhoids that are generally not considered polite table talk. However I do think that one of the problems with Twitter is that you can't generally convey the right tone of voice or context for a statement in 160 characters.

I think I get what she was trying to say and what she meant - or at least I know what I take from her Tweet - but I think she probably could have been better served by a couple more sentences.
Such an interesting question in this new age. The new normal seems to be let it all hang out and damn the consequences. But the consequences are great.
Lea, I guess those that choose to follow someone are fine with hearing about everything in real time as it happens, which means probably without much thought. Then there are those who believe as did someone on my other blog who wrote about people exercising self-control and not posting everything that happens. As you say, there are consequences, good (publicity?) and less so (misunderstandings).
I'm intrigued by your second question, too. Yes, I think you can say something profound in 140 characters--there are Zen koans and crucial lines from poems. Here's one of my favorites from E.E. Cummings: “Listen, there’s a hell/of a good universe next door; let’s go.” (54 characters, I believe.)

But a miscarriage or an abortion? Regardless of how you feel about it, speaking of it in public is charged, and to not take that into account is to be far too self-absorbed as a writer. Or maybe you just need to be a poet.
Overexposure.

To your second question, yes.

How would you or your 9-year-old niece avoid the tweet?

Don't follow Penelope Trunk.
I dont' know. I have to go back to the free speech issue. I somehow admire people for not being shameful about things and being willing to speak up. This doesn't really cross the line for me. Having a miscarriage is something I wish more women felt like they didn't have to hide. The again, I wouldn't twitter about it...
As I said on the momlogic blog here, If a person is willing to cope with the effects of their sharing, then who is to say "what" is too much?
its an interesting factoid that women blog more about personal stuff. but, there is obviously a new cyber etiquette /netiquette being developed. what should one blog about, and what not? Ive come to some ideas about this.
there are various women on here that go into really excruciating personal detail [eg on here, open salon]. affairs, sexless marriages, abortions, miscarriages, etcetera. then there are others that are more "normal".
it would seem that we have a cyberpersonality. some women tend to be oversharers with TMI. thankfully they are in the minority. I suggest they make it clear in their profiles & early posts if they're going to go into the dirty details. and I also recommend they NOT get uptight about critical comments from strangers. [what did you expect?!?!] if you dont want any critical comments from strangers, try signing up & blogging on facebook instead, which is more restrictive. this place is called A SALON. also, obviously, dont get upset if you're obviously one of those oversharers, and then someone asks you for even more details.... Ive seen women freak out about that on here, and I really HAVE TO LAUGH about that one. HAHAHAHA.. I guess even the oversharers have some sort of weird/warped sense of boundaries. its just not rational or anywhere you or I would guess.
ps the general phenomenon I would term "cyberexhibitionism"
then theres ppl, usually women, "flip floppers" who might choose to reveal something very personal, possibly opening up the discussion/feedback, but then capriciously change their mind and then try to wipe away traces of the revelation. eg, "my husband died in 9/11".. and then accuse respondents of insensitivity or whatever....
Ive noticed the flipfloppers also like to change their aliases, which can be very confusing. eg someone else might respond to their comments and refer to them by alias, but then their alias changes in the comments themselves [due to a quirk/aspect in open salon] .. kinda hard to follow that way. so yeah, the cyberexhibitionists also seem to experiment with camouflage [pseudonymity/anonymity]. the two actually apparently go hand in hand.
the cyberexhibitionists are also uptight about so-called "stalkers" which are probably really just people who are onto their games. the cyberexhibitionist may retaliate for an imagined wrong by deleting comments. seems kinda lame/immature to me. I could give you much more specific examples, but I guess you're probably getting annoyed by now, wink
wow, i'm not sure how i feel about this. thanks for putting the question out there. my first reaction was, shit, it's painful. how can you sit in the boardroom with that kind of pain. she's a tough cookie for sure. she was blythe about the whole thing but i know plenty of people who, when they are in work mode, are pretty cavalier about non-work issues. it's amazing what you can get into 140 characters. relaly. lvoe love love and gratitude!!
Well, someone made money asking for autobiographies of SIX words...so I guess so.
Perhaps the issue is not that she had a miscarriage, but that she celebrated it, since it made "terminating her pregnancy" more convenient?
Considering that 10 to 20% of recognized pregnancies end in miscarriage (per the Mayo Clinic's website), I think this is something people should be talking about more. Miscarriage is relatively common, but people treat it as something that must be hidden at all costs. I actually think it's a positive trend.
I follow Penolope Trunk's tweets, she is the person who introduced me to Twitter. I saw the tweet. My mouth dropped open and I thought, "this is why I follow her." I have read her blog longer than I have read anybody's blog. If you follow her and read her blog; you expect her to be brutally honest about sex, work, family life, etc. I love her honesty.
@ vzn: it's too bad twitter rules don't apply to your comments.
I probably wouldn't tweet a miscarriage but I defend her right to do so. I also agree with commenters who point out that miscarriage is very common - the 20% statistic is very much supported in fact.

Anyone who has a young person participating in twitter needs to monitor that young persons online time. I am not going to stop myself from speaking about "uncomfortable" topics because there's a "danger" that a nine year old might read it.
I'm not talking about abortions over at the kids network tweetie blog, if there is such a thing. I'm really sick of the premise that kids need to be protected from the facts of life when, like most of us were, they are going to be curious in a healthy way about these things.
Sex will result in many responsibilities, including pregnancy. Intimacy is a responsibility.
Miscarriage - and abortion - are not dirty words.
Very interesting post although I have to say that I am not that interested in the private lives of people I don't know. Even if I do know them, I choose people who have boundaries and respect and value mine. I'll have to think about this some more.
I'm fully aware that every pregnancy is not a wanted one and that many, many women are relieved when nature takes its course. Fine. We should be honest. But isn't there something between suffering in silence and Twitter? Goodness knows, though, that oversharing is the order of the day.

I think this is a case where the medium is a good bit of the message. It's inherently contradictory to assert that we need to talk about Serious Stuff like this and then offer Twitter as our vehicle. I mean, what's your response? "Good for you!" Wow, that was really deep. To me, anything that shows up on my cell phone is pretty much 'Whatever.' You're in a meeting? Whatever. You're having a miscarriage? Whatever. You're annoyed at your state's laws? Whatever. If you want me to react seriously, use a medium that isn't confined to 140 characters.
Many thoughtful comments; I'll try to address a few.
I tend to agree with Martha, Kathy, Cartouche. That is, I don't think women's issues are shameful in the least, and they do deserve wider and more honest discussion, but this Tweet smacks of self-absorption. That may be the fault of the 140-character limit; if you are a poet, you may be able to convey an experience in few words but Trunk is not a poet and her few words created an impression, deliberately provocative. Provocation is part of free speech of course but if, as Lynne says, you want to have a serious discussion, you might use a less "announcement-oriented" medium.
Self Absorption Realization Syndrome... SARS is what I always call it, gotta' be a little scarier than SAD Nikki... Certain it is a disease too many share, after the fever dies, silence will be the cure...I hope... Saw your post still spinning on the home page, good laugh stuff!
Ah sorry. I'd misunderstood. SARS it is
I have known Esther, aka Penelope, for about four years. She and I have had several nasty exchanges offline, the last of which was an attack on my character, about which she knew just about nothing. For some voyeristic reason I follow Brazen Careerist because the idiots who write to it make me thank God I'm a Boomer and not some GenY type. There have been moments when I've admired her and felt compassion. But now, with this tweet, Penelope has entered the world not of personal disclosure but of TMI, of exhibitionism. I know more about her farmer lover than I shall ever want to know. And for someone to broadcast her miscarriage via Twitter strikes me as just stupid. No, she's not required to feel grief. I don't give a damn what she does. I AM amazed that she would toss off a miscarriage as though anyone needed to know it. I didn't. It's her body, right? She can do what she wishes, right? Yes. If I were responsible for getting her pregnant I might want to know, but failing there, who cares except other exhibitionists?
My only reaction to something like this is "Why does she think this is something I need to know?" This is also why I don't twit (I refuse to call it "tweeting") and refer to Twitter users as "twits". Too much information and too much trivia. It's like a real-life version of 'The Truman Show' where everybody's trying to be the star.
when I had a miscarriage (pre Roe v Wade) a doctor yelled at me for letting out one tear while in pain. Now you have a whole country who are commenting on her lack of angst. My, how we have changed, NOT!! you still have the judge and jury standing by to yell and scream.
aim.. I wrote a lot because I figured "nikki stern" would delete it anyway :(
Great post, but let me respond with my opinion re your closing question: "Can you really describe anything important in 140 characters? " My answers is "yes" - especially when you think of Twitter and aggregation of tweets, and with the rights apps and eyes - a potential curation location of tweets about a topic. Important stuff: (1) The stories that arose from the volume of tweets following the Iran election and the death of Neda was important. (2) The first hand news of the Mumbai hotel attack. (3) The first photo of the US Airways plane "landed" safely in the Hudson River (twitpic.com/135xa). (4) And who is to say that the one word tweet "Arrested" from journalism student James Buck as he was being carried off to jail in Egypt is not important (twitter.com/jamesbuck/statuses/786571964). Just because something is not very big, doesn't mean it can't carry a lot of weight.
I don't know who the women is but it sounds like a nice way to hike up publicity. Self absorption, laughably so. Nothing worse than the self absorbed. I wonder why anyone is bothering with this....twit.
If one cant beat them must one join them?
I'm forced to deal with TMI situations nearly daily, as I've found that most people are willing to share far more details than I'm interested in learning. Marital problems, digestive problems, you name it - people have been "putting it out there" forever. I think people are making a big deal out of this new medium - Twitter - when its really nothing new. People have been oversharing since the beginning of time - Twitter just provides a larger, more anonymous audience for those who are inclined to share. Its just text-messaging to the ether and hoping that someone reads and responds, or vicariously experiencing someone else's life.

Personally, I don't participate in Twitter because (1) I don't think that most of my life is worth broadcasting for entertainment purposes, and (2) because I really don't care about the minutae of other peoples' lives. I have enough friends, family, and coworkers to keep track of - I don't need to adopt the issues of strangers too.
I tend to agree with the Self Absorption Disease. It's pretty SAD.
what juliet waters said.