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On the mend from a literal and figurative bear attack, I call 'em as I see 'em. It's the prerogative of being a National Metaphor during a time of diminishing expectations.

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OCTOBER 28, 2009 4:36AM

Mommy? What’s A Demographic Nightmare?

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Mommy? What’s A Demographic Nightmare?

 

by Ahansen

For those of us born in the immediate aftermath of WW2, the knowledge that we were a demographic phenomenon was never far from our awareness. As our teachers and the popular press of the day constantly pointed out, our numbers overwhelmed the American school system, forced a reorganization of tax codes and social policy, gave boom to a youth-oriented culture, changed mores, and “radicalized” behavior across the country.

They also scared the bejabbers out of prognosticators who foresaw us bringing down the social security and health care systems sixty years down the road– when up to 79 million of us would hit retirement en masse.

Now the awful nightmare has come to pass! As our country faces an unprecedented economic mess and the unpleasant realization that for the next few generations at least, our global dominance has peaked and our standard of living will decline, we boomers bear the collective condemnation of our parents as well as our progeny for bringing down the American way of life—and just, well, ruining everything. Again.

The blame for the housing crash has variously been placed on greed, overbuilding, shoddy lending practices, insane economic policy, “globalization,” and a host of other ills, but perhaps it should also be considered that maybe there were just too (bleeping) many of us baby boomers, and that the policies that were instituted to accommodate our numbers were not fungible to following generations. Maybe the PTB forgot to adjust for diminished need– in housing, in goods and services, in governance? (Those vexingly partial 3.2 children per household of my childhood, are now down to an even more anatomically puzzling 2.09.)

When the statistical last of us boomers bought our first homes in 1992, the need for new housing was reduced accordingly. Yet building (and finance,) kept pace with a demographic that no longer existed. (Unless you count illegal immigration, but for the sake of argument, let’s not?)

The more optimistic of today’s pundits tell us the market will likely bottom in 2011 or 2012 after Prime and Alt A mortgages reset. But will it? What about all us yuppie boomers who only had one kid? And the fact that those kids are waiting far longer than their parents to reproduce and “settle down” in a house of their own?

Moreover, when both sets of Boomer parents bite the pickle and leave the house to their grown offspring and their only-child spouses, there will be two inherited houses per couple– plus whatever home(s) the kids may have purchased in the interim. On that purely theoretical basis, all else being equal, the housing glut will persist until junior has moved the last of the boomer grandmas and gramps into a retirement home and sold off the old family homestead(s).

If we define boomers as those born between 1948 and 1964, and assume the average aged hippie freak gets hustled off into assisted living at age 81, barring a population explosion during a prolonged economic depression and a whole lot of unforeseen variables I don’t have the energy to come up with right now, it could well be 2045 before all those houses are absorbed. It’s going to take an awful lot of stimulation to keep housing prices from losing at least one zero in the next ten years of so. And that’s assuming anyone still has a job left to pay for them.

So stick that in your hashpipe and smoke it, Mr. Yun….

 

Posted By: Ben Jones @ 9:21 am Comments (186)

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Well, that is probably true. I'd be more inclined to blame the very selfish boomers for giving republicans a majority for far too long- resulting in reckless deregulation and vilifying any taxation. (Even boomers dems like Clinton made that worse!) There is urban flight that your parents started but you guys can be blamed for pretending to be enlightened and then staying in the suburbs and perpetuating the car centric lifestyle your racist folks introduced. There is also the defunding of education so I'm guessing many of my generation couldn't even understand the loan docs they were signing. And a lot of people over borrowed knowing that could be the only way they could ever dream of having a house and family. My peers can not afford to have families – it is not just they made a choice to wait it is that we can now only settle down and for a lot of people that remains an impossibility along with having a home or any savings or security of any kind.
The housing crisis blame lies directly with the politicians who, for the last 40 years, have been trying to get people who could not actually afford a house into "affordable housing" by forcing banks to lend to the unqualified and have Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac back up the phony loans.

There is also enough blame to go around for the idiots who decided they could actually afford a house.

Everything, and I mean EVERYTHING, regrading this housing and financial mess can be traced straight back to government intervention.
Blackflon- that is bullshit on so many levels. First, I'd have to assume you are talking about the Community Reinvestment Act - which simply prohibited banks from redlining whole communities and forced them to reinvest some of their profits. No government action forced the banks to make bad loans. It was the banks and Wall Street in fact that pushed for deregulation. This crisis was precipitated by a perfect storm of mortgage lenders who had all of the incentive to make bad (“liar”) loans because they could sell them to Wall Street and Wall Street who had succeeded in lobbying against any regulation that would have made the derivatives credit default swap markets transparent. There were many warning signs along the way and many would be regulators were thwarted by republican and democratic leaders alike who had too much faith and personal investment in private industry to see the puitfalls or the ways in which history was repeating itself. They relied on people like Greenspan – who recently disavowed his entire Randian radical libertarian worldview in front of Congress.
Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were chartered by the government but were in fact private at the time the whole house of cards fell apart. They were taken into conservatorship (which they could be because of their charter and mission) to prevent an even greater collapse than already occurred.
The banking industry has sucked up billions of taxpayer dollars and still have managed to avoid any substantial regulation. They have sat on the capital they received from the government deepening the credit crisis and recession. They have resisted and successfully lobbied hard against efforts to force the industry to renegotiate mortgages which could have slowed the rate of foreclosure and slowed the economic meltdown.
So yes, there are problems with the government in the financial industry – just not the sort of problems made up by right wing assholes and perpetuated by their know nothing ditto head minions.
I'd never considered the demographic angle before. Interesting.
@CeliaInSF: You voting comment is wrong on every point. You forgot that the "greatest generation" has been alive and kicking and VOTING in large and consistent blocks, and many of them still do, well into their 80's. And for the most part, they vote Republican.

Which brings the point back to the cohort that whines about this the most - the under 30's. To whit, GET OFF YOU ASSES AND VOTE! I mean, what does it take? Everybody was so thrilled that maybe 1/3 of 20-somethings actually voted in the recent election. Amateurs! You get much larger percentages of voting in people over 65. Sorry, but YOUR generation has a big problem that only you can solve. Why should any candidate fall all over themselves for someone who can't even be bothered to vote for them one way or another.

And forget off-year elections when most tax levys are put on the ballot. Not a young face in the joint. Nada.
flyover52- true to an extent - the "greatest generation" is to blame for bringing the republicans in but it is the boomers that created the misnomer "Reagan Democrat" gave us the Reagna revolution and “greed is good as a creedo. I grew up among those people many of whom stayed registered as dems and kept of voting republican. Your parents are largely to blame but the hippies turned to yuppies and kept their parents greed and racism alive and well and have left us with a giant mess some of which we not be able to fix even with the best effort.
You’ll see me voting every damn chance I get not matter what. I am however over 30 and therefore placed at the end of GenX and defying all of my adult life the lazy apathetic title you guys have tried so hard to saddle us with. Despite the complaints I think the next gen coming up (the millennials) is genuinely idealistic and will be ok if the boomers don’t manage to destroy everything in their wake or start a new holy war and make them cannon fodder.
obviously a very back-of-the-envelope analysis...
there is a saying by american indians that is undeservably obscure:
"we do not inherit the world from our parents; we borrow it from our children"
The failure of this analysis is that the US population is continuing to grow. It doesn't matter if population growth is due to births to native Americans or immigration. (In fact 80% of population growth is due to immigration). More people mean more housing is needed.
While it is more fun to blame one generation vs. another or even one political group, the core reason for the growth in housing prices has been the financial enabling by government policy and then wall street manipulation through loan rates.

The idea that people bought houses they couldn't afford is confounded by the 30 year data that showed that house prices never went down, so affordability could be extended into the future as more and more people came to the interesting conclusion that the value of the house going up would actually enable them to afford the house.

Now think about that conclusion, it is clearly one of the phony financial schemes that has been used in LBO's since they existed.

The realities is that banking isn't a particularly lucrative profession unless you cheat and steal, the housing bubble was just everyone trying to be part of the game.