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Alexandria Dobkowski

Alexandria Dobkowski
Location
Austin, Texas, USA
Birthday
August 03
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I was born and raised in Maine, where I attended a small private prep school and was taken into foster care at 16. Post legal majority, I spent time traveling the US, staying with friends and living out of my car. I settled in Memphis, Tennessee for several years, working for a book publisher. I am currently a writer, editor, and mother in Austin, Texas. Via Salon, I once debated with Camille Paglia over whether girls can rock.

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AUGUST 20, 2008 3:50PM

Tearing Apart Church and State Like a Phone Book

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A recent post by Rahul Parikh (From the Medical-Legal Department) reminded me of some issues involving the separation of church and state raised by something that happened at my daughter’s school when she was in kindergarten (She enters 1st grade in 5 days, 17 hours and 9 minutes).

Now, I live in Texas. It may be Austin (telling non-Texans that you live in Austin inspires people to say, “Oh, thank goodness you’re not a racist redneck Republican.” Telling Texans that you live in Austin gets the response, “You’re one of those left-wing loonies, ain’t ya?”), but there are occasional geographic reminders.

One day, I found a flyer on my doorknob. It was from one of the local Baptist churches advertising an appearance at their services from the “Truth Force Strength Team”, an evangelical group that proves the strength of their faith by bending iron bars over their heads, ripping phone books, and other feats of physical prowess.

I chuckled to myself. Those silly Baptists. Couldn’t they smell the cloud of sulfur and brimstone hovering over my house or see the giant pentagrams I painted on the driveway to keep the magazine salesmen away (okay, just kidding about that one)? I tucked the flyer into a drawer, thinking I could look at the straining faces of those barbaric Galilean heretics whenever I needed a laugh.

Around 3:00 PM, I walked to pick up my daughter at her school. As I did every day, I asked her what she did that day on the walk home.

“Oh, oh, there was a play, it was in the cafeteria. All the kids were in the cafeteria, and the whole school was there, and the teachers, and Mrs. Dee walked us down the hallway, and Connor burped, and Mrs. Dee told him to be quiet, and it was a special thing, and we got to the cafeteria, and there were so many kids…”

For those of you without kids, the actual subject of  any conversation is hostage to a barrage of detail as if everything is as interesting as everything else—which, to them, it often is. I often find it necessary to provide some direction.

“Yes, yes, dear; but what was the play about?”

“Well there were these two guys, and they were giants, and there was two of them, and they were both up in front, and one ripped a phone book up!”

This was said as if it was the coolest thing she had ever seen.

“And then the other, the other man, the man that was there, he bent a stick over his head! And one broke a bat, and then we all clapped, and then, they gave us these!”

It was the same flyer that had appeared, ninja-like, at my front door in the morning. My first reaction was puzzlement. How could an obviously religious evangelical group make an appearance at a public school? The next was concern.

“Did those men say anything about God, sweetie?” As I spoke, I realized my question was uttered in the same tone as detectives on Law & Order ask, “And did that man touch you in any way that made you uncomfortable?”

 “Well the one guy, the one who bent the stick, in the cafeteria, he said, when we were all there, he said God gave him the power and then he bent the stick, and it was so cool!”

“Ah. It was cool, huh?”

“Yes it was so cool!”

Perhaps the most important thing I have learned as a parent is that kids crave attention. You react to something, however negatively, and they will laugh maniacally as they do that thing again and again. So I deftly changed the subject and walked home with my daughter.

I have nothing against Christians personally: my daughter’s father (who I am divorced from but still friends with) is one. But I feel strongly that if someone is going to teach our daughter about the Christian God, it should be her dad, not some muscle-bound freaks with an agenda (and I maintain the right to provide other options).

Still, I didn’t want to be “that mom” who gets the ACLU involved every time a preacher comes within 50 yards of an elementary school. Using an unrelated topic as a cover, I asked my daughter’s teacher about the assembly in an email. She replied that various groups gave presentations from time to time.

It seemed a fair enough answer, although I highly doubt that among the “various groups” were the “Maimonides Force Talmud Team”, the “Pagan Pillage Panel”, or the “Holy Cow Hindu Quilters”. I let the matter drop, if not exactly quietly, then at least without contacting the Texas Freedom Network.

They seem to have enough work on their hands.

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Interesting. When I was in school in the late 1960's, we actually had someone from either the Gideon Bible company (the ones that supply bibles to hotels) or from the Wycliff Bible Translators, I can't remember which. But I clearly remember that they gave every kid there a New Testament. I guess they assumed there were no Jews or Moslems in the classroom.

I'm pretty sure it didn't result in any damage to the kids in the classroom, but it certainly crossed the church-state line...actually, I'd say it flew over that line several miles. Can't imagine that happening now, but what you are describing isn't too far off.
Hey, Alexandria:
I one of those rare liberals that the Bushies haven't yet been able to round up and sequester in the city limits of the state capital.
I gotta say, though, that the constitution guarantees freedom of religion not freedom from religion. And I think a farcial Samson demonstration is probably fairly harmless. I think you're wise in picking your battles.
"God gave him the power and then he bent the stick, and it was so cool!"

"That's lovely, dear. Perhaps some day God will give him the smarts, and then he won't have to bend sticks over his head any more."
They never rest do they?
Sorry, John. I have to take a moment to disagree with you here. The so-called "establishment clause" of the 1st Amendment states:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

This clause has been contested thousands of times in the courts, and at least 200 times (to varying lengths) at the Supreme Court level, and it has been well clarified. While the current Supreme Court may not agree, it has been codified that the Establishment Clause not only provides protection to participate in (almost) any religion, but does very much provide a protection from religion as well. I would actually have to dig out my Con Law notes to provide some of the relevant cases, but they're there.

Further, the mixing of church and state specifically when it comes to our public schools has been very well outlined by the courts - well, at least since the late 1950s. What happened at Alex' daughter's school is a super-duper double-live no-no. If it had happened in Mass or Oregon rather than in Texas, the principal's head would be resting on a silver platter as we speak. With lovely garnishes.

Personally, that would be almost enough for me, but not quite. When I see this happening in 2008 (and I live in the deep south - I see it happen a lot), it makes my head want to 'splode.
Before the over the head stick bending phone book ripping undercover evangelical performers have the ability to indoctrinate your daughter, you must expose her to the true master of the universe, He-Man. He has the power of Grayskull.
Next time I'm in the States I'll offer my services to the local primary school to teach them a bit about the occult.

Agrippa would do the brats some good...
Procopius, we live in the Seattle area and my son has received a little New Testament every year he's been in middle school. Some volunteers passed them out across the street from the school. Funny thing is the timing - for the last two years, they've passed out the Bibles the day before the state assessment test.
It's hard to go a few months without reading or hearing about those cool book-ripping stick benders (or whatever else they try) popping up. Lalucas is right, they never, and from the looks of it, will never rest.

I think you did the right thing by not making a big deal of it.

Oh, and I saw the Holy Cow Hindu Quilters at Coachella last year. They tore the roof off.
The Gideons pass out Bibles at my high school in Chicago every spring. The kids are usually really nice about it -- they are all pretty religious. It always bothers me. And we have prayers at every school function. The commencement speaker at graduation last year was a minister who preached. It drives me crazy, but that's a battle I don't even want to try to fight. I won't win.

I would love to see the Holy Cow Hindu Quilters -- that would be awesome!
Wow, you guys are so awesome and funny. Great info Scart. Matt, what is additionally amusing about your comment is that He-Man is the first thing I thought of also, which for some reason made me think of Thundercats, which made me wonder if the TFST had a little Snarf-like sidekick.

And it's not like I'm big on the evangelical idea, but I would think it funny to start an evangelical pagan church. Showing up at folks' front doors: "Blessed be. Have you heard of the good works of Hecate?"
I remember getting those Bibles every year. It never occurred to me that it was a little odd that a Bible salesman came to our school every year.

Ah, the South.
Red, I agree with you that the Bible and other religious texts (which one could argue Homer's Odyssey is among) make for excellent study. At my very secular high school, we studied Genesis as an example of "the Fall" in literature. Of course, this is very different than a religion being foisted on people.
The Bible? Perhaps, as that KJV is a damn beautiful book indeed. But I'd argue Milton and Shakespeare are just as important today, esp. in other parts of the English-speaking world--if not more. But that's just me. Besides, that argument that people wrote more beautifully before because of the Bible's beauty doesn't wash.

Three reasons should suffice: (a) the vast majority of those writers, politicians, et al, were usually a part of the elite, to whom plenty of literature was at their disposal...(b) those folks could afford to be flighty in their way of writing they were in the elite and writing for those in the elite (esp. politicians!)...and related to (b), (c) today's common man couldn't give a crumb for fancy writing, not when the average man's attention span is geared to 6th grade-level writing to begin with. You needn't go any further than Barack Obama's speeches to see that: fantastic delivery, not so fantastic writing.

Perhaps great speech/lit. has been a casualty of democracy, populism and artistic development.
Great idea Red. The kj is literature that should be read , studied for education in literature at least. The only state sanctioned religion at present is humanism.And whatever gets snuck in , as in the case of the strong men for god, harmless i say, and debatedly legal. Anyway humanism is the only one that i can identify that has been accepted as a non religion enough to be taught in our education system. The main ideas i recall preached , or taught ,is that we do not know from whence we came ,or where we're going( except for the evolution idea, idea i say because of its primitive and unevoluted theory that has remained in the hypothesis stage this many years, not able to prove anything , yet still just hanging there, actually i think of evolution as only a clue ,greater mind insist evolution must be believed as some great truth that must be disproven) and that all morality is relative.I'd say the state is perceived as the power of god, or agent of god if you will by the younger school children. Ignorance sure hasnt worked very well , yes to include good literature might be very helpful. The study of religion and philosophy ,( especially how to recognize destructive and harmful cults)is a missing part of our education. We cant get there from here i say. Excuse my bad lit.
I've laughed more at this post and the subsequent comments than I have in quite a while (it's been a wild summer).

Alix: Sami wonders, "What school?" Here in Eanes, every Christmas the kids sing carols in music class, and do Christmas-themed projects (Christmas crosswords, Christmas connect the dots, etc.) during December. It drives me nuts. (It would be easier to take if we got the High Holy Days as holidays, rather than having to take them absences.)

John: Naw, it *does* guarantee you freedom *from* religion.

Rob: That was hilarious; Sami thought so, too.

Matt: Also hilarious, but I fear a descent of my son into He-Maninalia almost as much as Barney. I haven't been able to avoid the Power Rangers, but I'm working on it.

T&D: Well, I guess we all need a little help come test time, oui?

David: Personally, I think Austin could *use* a visit from the Maimonides Force Talmud Team; Jews are pretty thin on the ground here.

I've long wanted a course of religious instruction in schools, one that covers all religions, or at least the "major" ones, with some mention of the less well-known ones. Tellingly, the Evangelical community doesn't seem to be too keen on *that* idea. Go figure . . .