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JANUARY 25, 2012 1:23PM

Rattus rattus

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It's always something. This time I need to stop feeding the birds and having firewood stacked in the side yard. 

About three weeks ago I came home in the dark and right there in the front of the house, up in the Vine Maple was a rat. Rattas rattus to be all scientific about it. I think The Roadrunner came up with that. The rat had been eating off the bird feeder I had carefully hung from one of the branches. It spooked and ran up the tree, jumped off and landed on the rain gutter where an even bigger one was waiting. My wife was right behind me but didn't see them. She asked what they looked like and I told her they were making out and looked like like Sid Vicious and Nancy in some back alley waiting to score.

sid-nancy-1978  The big one had a ring in it's nostril and the smaller one was scratching her face. At least I think that's what I saw.They both took off up the roof like they heard sirens coming to get them and I tried to forget. But the nightmares have been getting me. The big one appears as mostly a head about 50 times bigger than it was and sort of looms around in the dream ether like Marley's ghost.Then I wake up in a panic and walk around the house in the dark awhile which gets the cat all excited like we're going into battle.

 I told my wife I'd take down the bird feeder, and did right away but now I'm thinking about putting it back up.Then I'm going to head off to the sporting goods store to get me a high quality air pistol pellet gun because I've wanted one a long time and this would give me a good reason. Then I'll get out my old beat up rocking chair from the shed to sit and wait. In the mean time my wife has taken to calling me Pappy, and says if'n I don't bring 'em back whole instead of all blowed up she won't make me the varmint stew from the old recipe passed down from her relatives. Well duh...that's why I'm goin' small caliber. She's a great cook and there's no sense missing out.

But three or four nights ago around 3 a.m., coming from the heater  grate on the second floor of our 100 year old house I heard a sniff. So I tapped and I heard a big scurry. Not a cute little mouse type scurry, but a big stumbling over stuff knocking things down in an alley to get away from the cops kind of scurry.

Damn.

So now, Sid and Nancy are in the house in between the kitchen ceiling and the upstairs floor. The county vector control guy says this type of rat won't come in looking for food or raid our cupboards because they get their food outside. They are setting up a place to nest. Moving in !  Super. He also said they are really hard to get rid of but some people succeed if they are determined. Most hire a pest control company who come out tell you to throw away your bird feeders and re-stack your fire wood, then leave a trap outside.That's only about $250. A good deal more than the pellet gun.

I convinced the county guy I'd done my research online and knew to not bait the traps for a few days so they think it's a good place to score. These traps are monstrously powerful and will break my finger if I mess up. I know some might think this is cruel and wonder why not use a live trap, but the idea of trapping and then releasing them back into the wild which of course means my yard just seems ridiculous.So he said he would bring a sack full of traps and big bait boxes out and leave them on our porch. Usually they have to come and interview you and teach you what to do correctly to avoid the bubonic plague but I convinced him I was already doing most things wrong and it would just waste his time to tell me twice.So he left them yesterday. My neighbor waved this morning so I'm pretty sure he didn't see them yet and won't start calling me Mr. Clampett. I had to sign a county document and promise to try to get them and then he'll come back and get my signature which I left in an envelope on the porch.

I haven't gone to the sporting goods store yet. Wish me luck.

Sid and Nancy's days are numbered.

The Future 

 

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Nicely done, aka, looks like you passed the first test with those mice on the roof; now it's on to the big game.
@ John A Bayerl,

This is definitely one of those times where bigger is not better.
Pappy,
I know some tender-hearted women
who would kidnap u offa yer porch, knock u unconscious
with a rock, and slice u up to feed to more deserving species
than humans---i.e. any animal species----for your murderous
bourgeoise ways.

I am a deeply mystical man who believes this world
is only an illusion , and a nasty one at that, but that far
more agreeable realms exist beyond death, for all living
creatures, so your actions don't faze me.

but..why not use live traps & then transport em to someone
else's land, in the middle of the night?

Vector control, hm?

I am concered about these "killing vector fields":
vector fields on a Riemannian manifold
(or pseudo-Riemannian manifold)
that preserves the metric.
Killing fields are the infinitesimal generators of isometries...

i distrust them.
@ JME,

I sort of thought someone might say this:

"I am concered about these "killing vector fields":
vector fields on a Riemannian manifold
(or pseudo-Riemannian manifold)
that preserves the metric.
Killing fields are the infinitesimal generators of isometries"

Thank you.
No, I think rats definitely need to be killed. We had an opossum in our basement, and we were willing to pay to have that removed and released elsewhere, but rats are just...different. Good luck!
Vermin stew; it's what's for dinner. Make sure when you shoot Sid and Nancy it's a kill shot, you don't want a wounded, enraged punk rattus going for your groin area.
I agree with John A Bayerl.

J.M.E. sends Minds aloft.

We soar off into galaxies.

You post like harpsichord.

Kerry Laureman play cello.

He uses a dirty-limp-parsnip.

Rats? They make my skin crawl.

"Goose-pimples" pop from skin.

Kerry L. 'ought' to invest? Salve.

But 'Bag Balm' and grant free ads.

P.S.
My comment is not intended `nasty.
Rats in DC run faster than the cabbie.
O hoe.
Be nice.
You are.
Respect.
@ Jeanette DeMain,

We grew up a bit on the poor side. When the old neighbors died on the same night next door and the county got out there a couple weeks later to take them out and knock the house down, their house pets all moved in with us. That was an 1895 farmhouse with a dirt basement and a 12 ft. deep cistern in it. My Welsh Terrier and I had a great summer a huntin' t'gether. I feel like I'm on home turf right now.
Thanks for coming by.
@ nanatehay,

That's some sound advice. We are near an inner city rail line and the punk rattus clones do sometimes gather en masse looking all enraged and mean. I'll be careful. Right now I have the finger breaker traps carefully hung out the dormer windows with fish line so I can pull them back in. A couple days without bait to fool 'em then set the spring and WHAM. Stew's on.
At least Johnny Ratten hasn't shown up -- yet!

The only time I've come across rats (besides the human kind) was at the crack of dawn in NYC walking from the subway to Penn Station to catch an early train. I saw enough rattas rattus activity to last a long, long time. Still, the second photo above elicits sympathy from me ... and maybe, the first a bit, too. Good luck!
@ Art James,

I need to chop the rest of my wood and get it up.
Off the ground.
That's what the county guy advised.
Easier said than done.
@ neilpaul,

Thanks for the movie review. Content looking at my roof with binoculars right now, but a talkie would be good later on.
Rats are bad news no matter what you do.
My experiences with city rats was in Toronto. I they get inside and find food the game is over for they will always come back. One rat coming inside, finding food then leaving without getting in a trap...yuck..the memories this brings back.
lock and load. shoot to kill.
and I widh for the best for ya. I hate rats. all of them
@ Scarlett Sumac,

The two-legged rats seem to be easier to spot as they are not so clever as these others, and all too often they seem to be setting the traps for us.
Thanks for coming by.
Great Job. I don't care what people say, rats are only good when they are dead rats. I had a wood rat the size of a cat move into my house one time. He gnawed through a 1 inch board in one night to get in, scaring everyone in the house. The next day, I borrowed a 22 cal. rifle and killed him that night. And that was the name of that tune!
yeah,, i knew u did, and who else but me to bring this vector
connection up.

rats require vector work.

vectors are good or bad or indifferent.

"vector man," a sega game is helping our citizens learn
about these entities.

"n 2049, the human population of Earth embarks on a migratory voyage to try to colonize other planets. They leave mechanical "orbots" to clean up the mess they made on Earth through littering and pollution.
Vectorman, a humble robot in charge of cleaning up toxic sludge by simply discharging it into the sun. As he lands on Earth after his last trip,
he finds chaos and confusion.

Vectorman takes it upon himself to
restore peace to Earth."
Get yourself a Crosman Blue Streak (with or without x4 scope) and tape a flashlight to it. Then, when they are out feeding at night, take the killshot.
@ Mission,

So far no cupboard raids. That would be more typical of the Norway rat which is in these parts. They can enter through sewer lines then up the through the toilet ( egads ouch !!) or through foundation vents. I'm hoping this saga is over quickly.
@ Scanner,

Dude. Being a denizen of the city, shooting a rifle indoors would be considered just a tad overboard, but I understand doing it in the outskirts when a wood or wharf rat is involved. I hope this ends quickly as so far my Bengal is content just howling at the cedar tongue and groove ceiling. I don't want her to come in contact and I don't want to have to pull ceiling boards.
@ JME,

You have sent me off to my tattered Webster's to check the meaning of "vector". The first definition was as this post indicates, having to do with carriers of miscellaneous diseases etc.
The second defintion was painfully close to describing some sort of trigonometric or calculus equation and it muddled my head terribly to the point of dizziness.
I came back to read your note and can safely say it didn't help assuage my confusion, nonetheless I am grateful for your time here.
I love the image of the gun and the rocking chair. Need some moonshine and chewin' tobaccy too. Or is it tobacky? Who cares?
Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww! It took me a week to trap a field mouse (he was so tiny and sweet) that had raided my kitchen pantry, and left it's tiny little mouse turds everywhere.
@ elegant mistake,

I took a moment to look that piece up and while it does seem to be enough to get the job done, it does not seem adaptable enough for other everyday uses such as riding mass transportation late at night.
Thank you.
@ john blumenthal,

Near as I can tell, listenin' to my wife's dear departed grandma who was from the hills, it had more of a twang. She would take a slug of moonshine ( thanks for the reminder to get the jug out) spit on your shoes and ask "Where'd ya put my terbacky, dagnabit?". She would have got 'em both in one shot.
@ Deborah Mendez-Wilson,

Indeed, itty bitty mice can appear to be cute with their great big ears , squeaky voices and four fingered mittens, whistlin' a happy tune while driving a tugboat.
These are not even remotely itty bitty however.

Thanks for coming by.
I forgot to mention this; when it comes to bait for that monster trap don't believe the cheese myth perpetrated by Disney. If you want to catch a rat, use peanut butter--don't forget, I hung out with my father-in-law, who was a trapper par excelant.
" I was already doing most things wrong "

Sid and Nancy! Varmint stew..

These bastards (and bitches) are tenacious AKA.
Don't let them make you the fool... or is it too late for THAT?

HA!! Waiting for the follow up post, the one where you move out of state!
@ John A Bayerl,

We were so poor as kids that all we could afford to use to catch mice was a picture of cheese we cut out from a magazine. Kept catching a picture of a mouse until we wised up.
Peanut butter is the real one though. I stuffed some celery with it earlier today, put it on the traps with a few crackers, some brie and a shpritz of seltzer water with a dash of lemon. We're drawing a mixed crowd at the moment.
Next you'll be talking about snakes! Eeeeeewww! I hope Sid and Nancy rot in rat hell!
@ tr ig,

Tenacious and sneaky. I like a good challenge.
Them varmints ain't runnin' me outa town though.

I may add a little post mortem note if it all works out good. Everybody around the dinner table with the big ladle etc.
Uncle Festus already called dibs on the tail. Uses the end as a toothpick.
@ Tom Cordle,

Snakes scare ya ? Used to carry one under my ball cap when I was a kid. Stink your head up something fierce, but quite useful if you needed to keep your sister from telling on you for something or other.
Thanks for the stop in.
"Usually they have to come and interview you and teach you what to do correctly to avoid the bubonic plague but I convinced him I was already doing most things wrong and it would just waste his time to tell me twice. So he left them yesterday. "

It seems you're both sensible fellows. Pity you don't have a barn cat that has a taste for rat, that worked best for us. Since you don't, enjoy the stew!
"they were making out and looked like like Sid Vicious and Nancy in some back alley waiting to score."

Hell, them some different kind of rats you got, see if you can get them to sign a movie contract or music contract!! ~:D
well, rats. heh. we had a ton of them in the attic of a house we'd just built a few years back. the norway rats, which are way bigger than your dinky rattus rattus, but no matter. they got in through a small space at the exterior stucco wall down at the plate and were happily setting up a community above our heads. we thought those noises were crows on the roof. you don't want to know how many we caught in snap traps.

you're on the right track, but here are a couple more hints. use your snap traps the way you're doing it (peanut butter is the only bait necessary). there are more than just sid and nancy, so have a supply on hand. stop hanging the bird feeder. unless you're ready to cut the tree down so they can't jump from it to your roof, you want to stop enticing them up the tree. birds have plenty of food without humans feeding them, but don't get me started on that.

then you must assume they will tell their friends about climbing up your tree or otherwise entering your nice warm walls. so, again, as long as foliage is available as a jumping-in place, you need to close the places they're getting in. expandable foam, caulking and the like. all holes from the size of a quarter and larger.

i'll tell you the story about me and the rabbits sometime. i don't suffer vermin of the rodent family lightly. ahem.
@ l'Heure Bleue,

I'm a great big push over when it comes to our Bengal. So no rat on the menu for her.
Thanks for the stop in.
@ Tinkerertink69,

It was true rat love in the eaves trough. Movie worthy indeed.
Have you thought about getting a cat, or a rat eating dog? If you think they are cute, wait til their babies are romping all over the roof. Then you might as well give them names and set out tiny bowls at night.
@ femme forte aka candace,

You do sound quite experienced. I know their pathway and got them to eat the peanut butter slathered celery today. There will be more tomorrow, then the next day set the spring. Crunch.
I know Norway rats too. We had them in the Irish pub where I worked as a bouncer in the late 90's. Nothing funnier than a bunch of tough Irish warehouse workers, painters and stonemasons screeching like seven year olds when the Norways would decide to sit topside of the bar next to their Guinness.
@ greenheron,

Well I have a dog eating cat but I don't let her flex and embarrass them. So far I believe this will disipate. The pest control guys guarantee their work and don't do anything I'm not doing. The roof is too slippery right now but I'll find the entry soon.
Thanks for writing.
I wish you luck in your battle with Sid and Nancy!

I favor the shootin' route myself, but that's just 'cause I always liked showing up my brother when we'd hunt the gophers digging up our yard. If'n you need Annie Oakley, give me a yell ;-)
For some folks life becomes a trap.
@ Barb Allee,

Thanks for the offer, but I'm a good shot myself. Two sets of peanut butter bait removed twice so far. Getting ready to set the spring soon.
@ Algis Kemezys,

Philosophy vs. ballistics.
Thanks for the change up.
I love the Sid & Nancy reference. Rats are scary, but very clever. They only live where humans live. Gives one pause, eh?
@ Wren Dancer,

If I had paws I would have caught them already.
Oops...you said "pause".

Thanks for stopping in.
Not many things disgust me. Rats do. When I was in Viet Nam there were rats the size of housecats around the water (which was everywhere), and smaller rats that came inside. I could hear them scurrying around at night and more than once they ran across me. Ugh. R
@ Rodney Roe,

Agreed. We live in a heavily treed inner city area. So it's the best of both for them and us. I intend to prevail however. Bagged one last night and I think I'm on to their pathway.
Pretty sure I broke up the family. More to do though yet.