Yet another paper on the benefits of breastfeeding (real and purported) was released today (Bartick and Reinhold, The Burden of Suboptimal Breastfeeding in the United States: A Pediatric Cost Analysis) in the ongoing, well meaning but basically futile effort to "educate" (i.e. bully) women into higher rates of exclusive breastfeeding. Using highly fanciful methods, Bartick and Reinhold "estimate" that the US could save 900 infant lives and $13 billion if 90% of US women breastfed. These numbers are grossly misleading since not even a single US infant death (let alone 900 per year) has ever been attributed to not breastfeeding and since the purported savings are primarily the "lost wages" of the 900 dead infants.
But let's leave aside for the moment, the fact that the figures on which Bartick and Reinhold based their claims are profoundly suspect. Let's look at their potential motivation.
Breastfeeding advocates like to pretend that women stop breastfeeding because of lack of education, because hospitals give out formula, because of lack of professional support, because of lack of peer support, etc. etc. etc. All this pretending reflects the profound unwillingness of breastfeeding advocates to avoid addressing the real reasons that women stop breastfeeding or fail to start in the first place. The dirty little secret about breastfeeding is that starting is hard, painful, frustrating and inconvenient. And continuing breastfeeding is hard, sometimes painful, and incredibly inconvenient especially for women who work, which in 2010 is most women.
Any article such as this virtually requires the author to demonstrate her bona fides, so let me get that out of the way. I have four children, I breastfed them all nearly exclusively until they weaned themselves. I breastfed even when I was working up to 70 hours a week and was on call every 3rd night. I always had access to an office that could be locked, a state of the art breast pump, and a fair degree of control over my own schedule. I never contemplated doing anything else, but that doesn't change the fact that it was hard, painful in the early stages and incredibly inconvenient. I did it despite the difficulties.
Breastfeeding advocates insist on eliding or ignoring these difficulties. And because they insist on ignoring the experiences of women, their well meaning attempts at encouraging breastfeeding are almost complete failures. Education efforts, counseling efforts and banning of formula gift bags have made little or no difference in breastfeeding rates. Bartick and Reinhold's latest paper on the purported economic benefits of breastfeeding, even if true (and there is a great deal of extrapolation that is probably not true) is destined to have an equally negligible effect.
I don't really understand why breastfeeding activists refuse to acknowledge the reality of breastfeeding. They prefer to sugarcoat it with little maxims like "breast milk is always available," breast milk is always the perfect temperature," and "breast feeding saves money." Those statements are true, but they ignore the very real challenges in initiating and maintaining breastfeeding.
Perhaps breastfeeding activists fear that women will not attempt breastfeeding if they are informed honestly about the difficulties. Yet it appears that the opposite is true. By not acknowledging these difficulties up front, breast feeding activists set women up for failure, when those women encounter pain, frustration and inconvenience.
Breastfeeding is a learned behavior. It is not instinctual on the part of the mother and although a baby has the instinct to suckle, latching on properly and actually getting milk requires practice. A new mother and a new baby may get frustrated very quickly when things do not proceed smoothly.
New mothers are often emotionally labile, due to the effect of hormones. A baby screaming desperately in hunger (and all babies begin to screaming desperately within seconds of realizing they are hungry) can upset even an experienced mother. It's much worse for a new and inexperienced mother who can easily become frantic to satisfy the baby, fearing that the baby is starving. Prior to the advent of formula, there was no choice but to stick with the first inexperienced attempts. Now, with formula at hand and able to satisfy an infant in seconds, it may seem pointless or even cruel (not to mention harrowing to the mother) to force a baby to figure out breastfeeding.
Initiating breastfeeding is often painful. Cracked and bleeding nipples are every bit as unpleasant as it sounds. Countless new mothers tell stories of bursting into tears whenever the baby starts to cry, in anticipation of the pain of nursing. For most women, the pain disappears over time, but it can take days or even weeks. Breastfeeding advocates like to blame women themselves for their pain, insisting that they are positioning the baby in the wrong way. The truth is that women can do everything right, and still have pain. It simply has to be ignored until it goes away and it is hardly surprising that some women do not want to wait that long.
Maintaining breastfeeding while working is incredibly difficult. During the typical work day, a woman may need to pump twice or more, each session taking 20-30 minutes and requiring a clean and private place to pump, a breast pump, and a refrigerator to store the milk. Professional women may be able to assemble these resources, but the average working woman has neither the facilities, nor the time to pump at work.
The demographics of breastfeeding reflect the fact that it is difficult. Breastfeeding is associated with higher levels of maternal education and higher income levels. Successful and long term breastfeeding require a willingness to delay personal gratification, and a willingness to shoulder burdens in exchange for long term benefits. Those traits are closely associated with higher levels of education and professional success. Economic success also makes it easier to continue breastfeeding because women don't have to work, enjoy extended maternity leaves, have private space at the workplace in which to pump and can afford high quality equipment.
Should we encourage breastfeeding? Of course, we should, but we should not forget that the health benefits are relatively small and the difficulties can be large. We should stop spending money on trying to convince women to breastfeed, since most efforts are ineffective. Instead, we should devote smaller sums to providing counseling to women who truly want to breastfeed and leave everyone else alone.
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Perhaps we all need to work towards a culture that is more supportive of families so that women aren't rushing back to full time work barely 6 weeks after giving birth?
After I went back to work, I still pumped in bathrooms, hiding from an unsympathetic boss. The last couple of ounces before I gave up were like spun gold to me. I'm glad I did it, for whatever health benefits it gave him, but we never had the storybook, soft-focus experience together, and in many ways I came to resent the pressure put on me to breastfeed by the hospital when the odds were so stacked against me. I also became very grateful for the formula that kept my baby alive when my own milk could not.
I saw a Mom and baby last weekend -- the baby was three months, the age when my boy was still attached to tubes in the hospital -- and hearing her talk about exclusively breast feeding made me feel sad and jealous. Oh, well. I guess I should get over this by now... It still hurts, though.
"I agree that honesty about the initial difficulties is important, but I would add education, and more public places to discreetly feed your baby."
I strongly agree that we should definitely do whatever we can as a society to make breastfeeding as convenient as possible.
I'm not sure, though, that education would make much difference. Women give up on breastfeeding because it is too difficult or too inconvenient, not because they don't understand the benefits.
"Plus, I was so happy to my have body back to myself after over a year of pregnancy and breastfeeding. It was good to feel "normal" again."
That's another factor that receives scant attention from breastfeeding activists. Many women give up alcohol for the nine months, they don't want to continue for an additional year. Some women go off medication that they need or substitute a less effective medication for the duration of pregnancy. They would prefer to return to needed medication.
In addition, many women feel very constricted by subservience to the baby's needs and want to be able to share feeding duties and night time wake up with a spouse or family member.
"It isn't always hard, painful or difficult."
Of course not, but that's simply a matter of luck. Many women have considerable pain for weeks or longer even when they are doing everything right.
As you said, Amy, breastfeeding can be hard - and even more so if the environment is stacked against you. High C/S rates, copious formula bottles, bad advice and untrained breastfeeding help, impossible work schedules; all of these things work against successful breastfeeding. And women these days are truly caught between a rock and a hard place, with trying to do the best for their babies, and keep a roof over the family's head.
Individual pressure and guilt will only lead to despair - clearly the ONLY real way we can increase breastfeeding rates is to enact large-scale practical supports: Ensure that women have real maternity leave (at least 6 months, paid), insurance coverage for breastfeeding help (lactation consultants, WIC breastfeeding support programs), baby-friendly hospitals, workplace protections for breastfeeding (milk breaks, private place to pump, etc), legal protection for breastfeeding outside the home...
And studies like this provide tangible evidence of benefit, for societal change that TRULY values families! Only then will individual women have the luxury to make "free" choices on these type of issues...
"The point of this study is not to "bully" women into breastfeeding - but to promote legislative and economic change to support moms and babies in doing so"
Hectoring women and health professionals about illusory "savings" is not the way to encourage increased breastfeeding rates. Virtually every "education" attempt to date has been a failure because it fails to address the real reasons why women stop breastfeeding.
The study itself is ridiculous. It is based on nothing more than fanciful "estimates" of theoretical costs. It is utterly reliant on pretending that correlation in breastfeeding rates with disease rates means that breastfeeding causes or prevents diseases.
Breastfeeding rates rise in concert with income and education. So does infant health. It is irresponsible to claim that breastfeeding itself, as opposed to the confounding factors associated with increased maternal education and income, is wholly responsible for differences in death and disease.
The "costs" are in large part absurd. Not a single infant death has been definitively linked to failure to breastfeed, yet the authors insist that 911 deaths each year can be attributed to failure to breastfeed. The putative "lost wages" of these unfortunate infants do not represent any type of cost saving at all. Society does not lose money when an infant dies, so claiming that we would save more than $9 billion dollars (out of a total savings of $13 billion) is ridiculous, and renders the authors' entire argument suspect.
I also find that breastfeeding in public in many places in the US isn’t as commonplace or comfortable as it is in other countries.
Breastfeeding is a learned behavior for both the mom and the baby. If it weren't for the lactation consultants and education material it would have been a lot harder for my wife. Eliminating education efforts may have convinced my wife to stop. She now loves breastfeeding and does not want to stop.
Yes breastfeeding is not easy. But the benefits are tangible. To stop education efforts because it takes work and money? Silly.
As an aside re: alcohol & breastfeeding, the AAP says alcohol consumption by breastfeeding women in moderation is ok. They suggest waiting 2 hours after alcohol before feeding.
"The health benefits from breastfeeding are not small."
Actually, the health benefits from breastfeeding ARE small, and it is disingenuous for breastfeeding advocates to claim otherwise.
As Professor As Joan Wolf explains in an article entitled Is Breast Really Best? Risk and Total Motherhood in the National Breastfeeding Awareness Campaign:
" … Medical journals are replete with contradictory conclusions about the impact of breast-feeding: for every study linking it to better health, another finds it to be irrelevant, weakly significant, or inextricably tied to other unmeasured or unmeasurable factors. While many of these investigations describe a correlation between breast-feeding and more desirable outcomes, the notion that breast-feeding itself contributes to better health is far less certain, and this is a crucial distinction that breast-feeding proponents have consistently elided. If current research is a weak justification for public health recommendations, it is all the more so for a risk-based message that generates and then profits from the anxieties of soon-to-be and new mothers…"
This topic reminds me of DARE, the drug education program; it refuses to discuss any reasons why people might choose to use drugs. In denying that there is anything pleasurable about them, they lose all credibility.
"Before actually going through the breastfeeding experience, I never realized how physically & emotionally draining it can be. I have the support of an incredible partner & the luxury of time to work through any feeding difficulties we encounter - that's not something every woman has. And even with all the support I have, breastfeeding still feels overwhelming at times and I'm just starting to feel confident about it after 5 weeks of exclusive breastfeeding. "
That's a fabulous explanation of the experience of many women and offers a great deal of insight into why many women after only a few days or weeks of breastfeeding.
"This topic reminds me of DARE, the drug education program; it refuses to discuss any reasons why people might choose to use drugs. In denying that there is anything pleasurable about them, they lose all credibility."
That's an interesting analogy. DARE, like many breastfeeding "education" programs, has also been ineffective.
"Sounds like you tried and failed."
Sounds like you were so anxious to prove your own superiority, you didn't even bother to read the post. I breastfed all four of my children almost exclusively even though I worked up to 70 hours per week.
I kidded her when she was pregnant, "With tits like those we could open a dairy farm" but as it turned out milk was in short supply and we barely had enough to fill a bottle one time a day...but we continued to pump and use the formula combined with it...our daughter is a healthy 23 years old with no allergies.
The skeptical OB meets the skeptical reader. I'm telling you what you sound like.
In my opinion they did not try hard enough.
It is not comfprtable at first..but you do get thru it.
I have nursed two beautiful children.
With both kids I used to sing the ABC's aloud (so they could hear it) till the pain disipated. Usually the pain gave way right before I got to Z. Every once in awhile I had to sing another round.
Both till their 1st birthdays and both were ready to give it up. Weaning was also not an issue for me.
Great post--more mothers need to Breastfeed--it makes a world of difference when it comes to sickness or lack thereof as well.
As I have observed women succeed and fail at breastfeeding over the years, this particular statement rings very true to what I have witnessed.
Breastfeeding, in the end, was very convenient for me (even though I worked and pumped), it was so much easier to just feed my baby wherever I was, whenever I was, without much forethought about having to buy, carry, and mix formula. However, the first few weeks of teaching the baby how to nurse were tragically difficult for me.
We live in a culture that teaches us instant gratification: if you want it, you should be able to get it quickly, easily, and at minimal cost. It takes a great deal of tenacity in our society to put off the culture of instant gratification and look towards the larger picture and be willing to do the work necessary to achieve a difficult, but maybe important goal (like graduating from college or successfully breastfeeding).
I don't have any idea how one goes about combatting a cultural attitude such as this, but I think it is certainly at play more often than not in people's willingness to push through the early difficulties to be successful at breastfeeding.
I was the first one in my family to breastfeed, and I think I still am the only one. My cousins look at me like I'm crazy. Sometimes family members can be intrusive and judgmental, saying things like "is she getting enough, you should give her formula because it will fill her up." which can be insulting. People really believe that breast milk isn't enough nutrition for a baby, which is so wrong.
Also, when you go to family functions and things like that you can be relegated to the back bedroom because, no matter how discreet you are, people act all uncomfortable about it. It is a pain, but still worth it.
Letting people know what they may expect and what difficulties they may encounter is crucial to success in almost any venture.
When I breastfed my first child and discovered the multitude of benefits to the mother and baby, I decided this was another example of a capitalist conspiracy to make money at the expense of what is right and good for humanity. Why would the majority of women in this country buy formula when their breasts would squirt it out for free?
I think I have found the reason and it is something even my twistedly odd mind would never have imagined.
In the mid 1800's Dr. William P. Dewees, the first American pediatric author, advised women in their eighth month of pregnancy to find a young, sufficiently strong puppy and nurse it. This would toughen the nipples, improve secretion and prevent inflammation. (Let that sink in. Puppies. Little sharp teethed puppies)
Dr. Dewees further recommended if puppies weren't available, the mother-to-be was to look for a little suckling pig.
A few years later, the Nestle Company was launched with the first baby formula offered in the US.
This still could be a capitalist conspiracy.
the ongoing, well meaning but basically futile effort to "educate" (i.e. bully) women into higher rates of exclusive breastfeeding.
Evidence to support the "bullying" charge?
Using highly fanciful methods
Evidence, please? In what way are they "highly fanciful"?
Breastfeeding advocates like to pretend
Evidence, please? It's clear breastfeeding advocates believe those things; what's your evidence that they are "pretending"?
The dirty little secret about breastfeeding is that starting is hard, painful, frustrating and inconvenient.
For everyone? For some? For most? For just a few? And whatever the qualification, what is your evidence of that assertion?
I have four children, I breastfed them all nearly exclusively until they weaned themselves. I breastfed even when I was working up to 70 hours a week and was on call every 3rd night. I always had access to an office that could be locked, a state of the art breast pump, and a fair degree of control over my own schedule. I never contemplated doing anything else, but that doesn't change the fact that it was hard, painful in the early stages and incredibly inconvenient. I did it despite the difficulties.
Anecdotal evidence; not statistically valid. (Although I accept that it gives you personal knowledge, of course.)
Breastfeeding advocates insist on eliding or ignoring these difficulties. And because they insist on ignoring the experiences of women, their well meaning attempts at encouraging breastfeeding are almost complete failures.
Evidence, please?
I don't really understand why breastfeeding activists refuse to acknowledge the reality of breastfeeding.
Not a single breastfeeding "activist" (a term you should really define; one could just as easily call them "advocates" or "support groups") acknowledge difficulty in breastfeeding? I can tell you from my own personal experience that that's not the case.
Perhaps breastfeeding activists fear that women will not attempt breastfeeding if they are informed honestly about the difficulties.
Since you have provided no evidence for your assertions, this is simply a straw-man.
Breastfeeding is a learned behavior. It is not instinctual on the part of the mother and although a baby has the instinct to suckle, latching on properly and actually getting milk requires practice.
Evidence, please. Using your eyes requires practice; using your hands to grasp requires practice; being able to track sounds with your ears requires practice; but would you say that these aren't "instinctual", would you? If so, you have a definition of "instinctual" that is very different from what I've heard; could you please provide your definition?
Besides which, how is drinking formula out of a bottle any more instinctual than feeding from a breast?
Now, with formula at hand and able to satisfy an infant in seconds, it may seem pointless or even cruel (not to mention harrowing to the mother) to force a baby to figure out breastfeeding.
One could just as easily say, "Now, with breastfeeding consultants at hand, it may seem pointless or even unhealthy (not to mention misleading to the mother) to force a baby to drink formula." "It may seem" is a very passive way to share an opinion; how about "I believe that it is pointless or even cruel yadda yadda"?
Maintaining breastfeeding while working is incredibly difficult.
Lots of things while working are incredibly difficult. The question is not whether it is difficult, but rather if it is worth the effort, and for whom is it worth the effort?
we should not forget that the health benefits are relatively small and the difficulties can be large.
Evidence, please.
Amy, you cited a survey which you claim is flawed, but don't go on to refute it. Rather, you put forth a large number of assertions for which you don't provide any hard evidence. You state that breastfeeding (when difficult) is not worth the "relatively small" health benefits for the child, but don't provide any information on what those potential health benefits are, and why they are so easily outweighed by the potential difficulties (which you list in great detail). In other words, you are telling folks to simply rely on your opinion but not presenting any evidence, any hard scientific data, to support your position, and are further presenting a very one-sided picture of the issue. Given this is the case, why should anyone take your word over that of a published study?
Hey, I'm fine with a woman breastfeeding or not, as suits her and her personal situation. My wife did with our first child (the second was adopted after being weaned). My sister couldn't because of the some of the difficulties you describe. Whatever works for that person's situation. But what this post boils down to is personal opinion. If that's your opinion, fine; just say so. But don't try to debunk a study and argue so stridently for bottle feeding by simply making assertions and pointing out you have 4 kids of your own; you wouldn't accept that from someone debating with you, so it's unreasonable to expect others to accept it from you.
C'mon; you can do a lot better than this.
However, I loved breastfeeding my babies. I went to work very early in their infancy. With the first one, I pumped by hand in a girls bathroom every day. I had no emotional or social support for this, but I truly found it a very natural and "instinctual" thing to do.
While I agree that we need to remove issues of women's health from unhelpful moralism of any kind, I would like to see in our society a greater appreciation and space for pregnant and nursing mothers in the workplace and elsewhere. In the present state of things, of course childbirth and nursing are stressful and painful to most women.
While economic and social class is part of the picture, I don't see my white upper middle class educated pals having much fun with pregnancy, childbirth and breastfeeding. We've managed somehow in this culture to eradicate the joy of nearly every aspect of the early mothering experience. I took the joy for myself in giving birth and nursing and I loved every minute of it.
Breastfeeding is learned behavior for the child as well as the mother.
Up to my grandmother's generation all women breastfed in my country. Then came all those formulas and women of my mother's generation saw no sense in breastfeeding. Chuck into that the fact that it's also the generation that saw more women working for a living and you get a rather complex picture.
When I tried to breastfeed my firstborn I had no idea how to do it. There was no one around to teach me. I did not have support either. The first thing I heard at the hospital was a nurse saying that I was "too small" to give enough milk.
Needless to say it was not successful and I felt horrible about it.
With my two younger daughters I breastfed exclusively until they turned one and then on demand until they were two. I was a more mature mother and would ignore criticism. It was successful out of sheer will because I remember people, even family members, saying that I shouldn't keep breastfeeding and how the kids were "too old" to keep at it.
This post might help a lot of women. Thank you for posting it.
"You could replace "breastfeeding" there with "parenting" in general. Parenting in general requires a willingness to delay personal gratification and a willingness to shoulder burdens in exchange for long term benefits. (Benefits that may never materialize no matter how amazing a parent you are.)"
Absolutely. That's why it is irresponsible for the authors to claim that breastfeeding itself causes better health outcomes, when breastfeeding is known to be associated with particular demographics and characteristics that have a significant impact on health.
I was unable to breastfeed because of flat nipples and a baby that wasn't very motivated to eat due to painful reflux at birth. I pumped some, but struggled with the help of a lactation consultant to get my baby to latch on. This involved using nipple shields, positioning everything "just right" and then getting my husband to rub the baby's head and tickle his feet to keep him engaged - 8 times a day. The hormones and sleep deprivation took a toll, and it got to the point where I resented having to feed my child.
I was fortunate to have a lactation consultant that understood. As she said, the important thing is that the baby gets fed. When I said I was done, she told me how to wean and move my son to formula. It was the right decision for us.
Acquaintances (knowing nothing of these private struggles) stuck their nose in and told me I was wrong for not breastfeeding. It was none of their business and really hard to take at a time when I was already emotionally vulnerable as mentioned in the doctor's post. They didn't even do me the courtesy of making their concerns known in private - I was ganged up on in public and unable to defend myself. It is NOT the same experience for every family. So for those here who also had a hard time, I understand, and wish people would show more compassion. Do what's best for YOUR family. Maybe it's breastfeeding, maybe it's not.
I think breastfeeding does promote bonding as well as the added benefits of the milk. We have enough parents who didn't bond. So, at least give the education and then the mom can make a decision.
This article promotes a definite attempt for a diminution instead of an informed choice and therefore I do not recommend it.
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In retrospect, I guess I should have insisted harder that he be fed with the lavage to help my breastfeeding chances. But we had only a couple of hours every day (since he was hospitalized for four months), and lactation consultants tried everything, shields, tubes, medication supposedly to help my milk, expensive rental of hospital strength pumps, and I NEVER had more than a few ounces for all the four or five months I was trying.
I still feel guilty. I still feel that apparently I missed out on a great experience with my son. I made sacrifices, but it never happened, he never latched on, I never had sufficient milk. I wonder now if it is biological, because my mother and my sister never had enough milk either, and gave up.
Besides the issue of premature babies who are hospitalized and away from their moms, the other point that is seldom made is that it doesn't have to be all or nothing. I gave my few ounces, with the antibodies etc., to be added to the formula, so at least there was some benefit. Why do moms have to think all or nothing? Sometimes one method supplemented with the other meets the needs best.
"You will never see this in any medical journal or study but most of you will notice that women who breast feed their children tend to be more devoted to their children and will delay their own gratification for their child."
What? Please tell me that you are only joking.
Wow! Breast feeding advice from a male cardiologist! I felt the need to join this site just so I could point out how asinine that comment is. If it weren't coming from someone who claims to be a medical doctor I might not be quite so outraged by it. To imply that a woman who doesn't breast feed her child (for whatever reason) is failing to adequately love that child is emotional blackmail. Just because seeing a woman breast feed gives you the warm fuzzies doesn't make it a mandatory act of a loving parent. Should I also flagellate myself daily to prove my love?
Dr. Tuteur - Thank you for your informed perspective. It's refreshing to read the thoughts of someone so well qualified to speak on the subject.
Even with baby number 2, I cried and thought about giving up those first few weeks until my husband gently reminded me that it was like this the first time. Like many of the mothers I read posting here, in just a few years I had forgotten the pain of those first few weeks. The lactation consultants had good advice, but I believe they were dishonest when they told me it shouldn't hurt if you do it right. My friends who'd had multiple babies laughed at that and all agreed that it was difficult, at least in the beginning.
More women need to know upfront that breastfeeding isn't easy. The blissfully sweet, cuddly moments that moms like to wax nostalgic about come later, when practice has allowed mom and baby to relax and enjoy it. And for some mothers they never come at all.
Moreover, in a household where work and child-rearing responsibilities are shared, it's a HUGE burden for mom to take on exclusive feedings. Many a night I stewed in (irrational) resentment that my husband was sleeping soundly while I was up every 2-3 hours all night.
As moms and as feminist we need more honesty and a lot less guilting.
I agonized about stopping breastfeeding. My husband pushed me to continue. The lactation consultants were useless and worse, made me feel horribly guilty and tried to pressure me to continue. I had women at parties lecture me on why breastfeeding is superior. I had to confront billboards and literature and signs promoting breastfeeding every time I entered a medical facility. I still feel guilty, even though I intellectually know I did what I could.
How is this culture of lactivism helping women or babies? It just makes us feel like inadequate mothers when we can't perform.
My sister and I were both exclusively breastfed and we both have allergies. I have asthma and ulcerative colitis and my sister has crohn's disease. These are all conditions breastfeeding supposedly guards against.
My daughter, who has been formula fed since day 11 is happy, healthy, and highly intelligent. She is very attached to me (and her father, who delighted in being able to share feedings) and I to her.
It's great that many women find breastfeeding to be easy and convenient. No one is trying to tell them to stop or that there is anything wrong with breastfeeding. But some compassion and understanding is definitely lacking for those of us who couldn't breastfeed. Thank you again for this excellent post!