This post is not about virtue. It is not an ask for sympathy. It attempts to explore what I've learned about sex and sexuality since sex ended within my long-term relationship. I won't say much about why, because half of it is not my story to tell and I have no right. Just know that because of illness and after sharing a normal, monogamous, sexually active relationship for nearly a decade, my spouse suddenly lost the need, desire, and passion for sex.
When sex disappears like that, you don't necessarily know it at the time. There's no announcement. No resetting of hormones for each of you. No discussion that starts with, "I'm thinking I'll never want to have sex again. Are you ok with this?" It's just gone. One day, perhaps months or years later, you realize that the last time you had sex together was the last time you’d ever have sex together.
As I’ve gone through these years without a sexual connection to my spouse, sexual desire did not fade within me. I still think about sex and long for it, I still dream about it, and fantasize. I do try to minimize overt exposure to what can make it harder. I don’t read the OS dirty haikus on Thursday and I never read sensual erotica. I look away during sex scenes in films. I no longer engage in “how’s your sex life” conversations with friends. And yet, even with these rules and a relationship devoid of sex, sex remains a part of my life, in my mind, in my dreams, and in my writing.
As I’ve gotten through these last eight years, I’ve thought a lot about sex, sexuality, and relationships. Here is some of what I’ve discovered:
Sex is vital to a good life. What? You thought you knew that? So did I. I knew sex reduced my stress level, added to my joie de vivre, helped me sleep more soundly, and that it made the mornings after sweeter. I knew that dependable, good sex was very important, even imperative to a good life and relationship. Going without sex led me to understand its meaning even more: I understand how it nourishes and comforts, touches the soul, sustains our natural rhythms. All of that was happening before, so I never examined the ‘how or why”. Going without sex now, I can see how the lack of it upsets each of those things.
Sex may not be a need like air, but it is needed. Yes, I can live without sex, I pretty much do, but I don’t live joyfully. It’s gotten harder, not easier to go without for so long. I need sex to live the life I wanted to live, to feel happiness to the potential I have within me, to carry me through life’s challenges and sorrows. I need sex like I need friends and conversation, like I need the sun and spring, like I need books and music. I need sex to make all of those things better, too. Some nights, sex is all I can think about. I ache to be desired and wanted, to give way to joy and abandon. There is no substitute for the moment when your lover reaches out for you with passion, or with love. Trust me on this, there is no substitute.
Sex holds you together when everything else is pulling you apart. Another given, but think about it for a gentle moment. How many times has that tender caress, that kiss that lingers just a bit longer, that flirtatious glance made you feel closer, safer, connected, a couple, united? How often has it been the bridge from anger to forgiveness, from stressed to relaxed, from lonely to loved? It works. Sex does the job it is supposed to do, fusing you as a couple. Sharing sex means exposing vulnerability, intimacies of the heart and body. You know secrets about each other that are beyond naked and truer than fact, learned during uncensored moments of bliss. Honoring and protecting those secrets is a gift to each other.
Sex makes me feel like a woman and nothing else really does. My career doesn't do that for me. Spending time with friends doesn't. Volunteering doesn’t. Wearing skirts and lingerie helps, but still.... sex? Oh yes. That's when I feel womanly and confident, aching to express my desire and eroticism, and ready to reveal the mysteries of my gender. Nothing else asks me to reach in and grasp the inner femaleness that flows so deep, that yearns to surface. Going without sex now, I sometimes feels less of who I am, less connected to my friends and other women, a little less relevant in the world. I feel distant from myself.
Our sexuality continues to evolve over time, even after many years. About five years into this, I realized something very new about my sexual desire, something I had not considered before. How could this be? I wasn’t in an active sexual relationship, I was making every attempt to de-sexualize myself, and suddenly a new sexual idea came to me begging to be explored and experienced. How unfair and cruel! This revelation thrilled, stunned and scared me. How and why this came to me during the sex-free years of my existence remain obscure to me, and yet there it is. Just another reminder that sexuality, that basic human drive, has a life of its own.
Sex allows you to communicate in ways that you cannot replicate in any other way. What you can do with your fingers, your mouth, your hips.... all those luscious areas of the body that allow for expression that can't be articulated any other way. During sex you can whisper and tease and demand and beg with intonation and nuances that are not appropriate in any other setting. I miss this language so dearly and with such a vengeance that I have to continually monitor myself to be sure I don't do it in the wrong setting. I have to say, honestly, this is probably what I miss the most – the language of sex.
Masturbation is nice. And I am a pro. I swear to all of you, none of you are better at this than I am. I always knew masturbation was nice, but before it was just a warm-up or a way to tide myself over between couple-sex events. Now it is sex.
Masturbation gets to be very, very lonely. Not lonely enough to totally stop, but lonely enough that sometimes an orgasm from solo masturbation ends in tears and a feeling of profound solitude.
Sex gives us some hope. Sex makes us hope, for more, for better, for different, for the same. During the good years, we had sex pretty regularly, as couples do. Thursday night? Always. Again on a weekend night and a weekend morning, even both weekend mornings. And then there was Tuesday, the bonus day. Tuesdays felt a little hopeful, a little romantic, a little sexy. I miss that feeling, wondering if it will be a ‘sex Tuesday’. I miss counting on sex on Thursday, and looking forward to weekend sex. Going without sex all the time adds a layer of drudgery to the week. Now it's just work, time after work, and then sleep. Same thing tomorrow. Same thing next week, next month, and next year. Sex adds that soft glitter to the winter’s gray, a soothing balm to the end of a long work day, a benevolent barrier to the world outside.
The less I had sex, the more I thought about it. During the first few years of this, I thought about sex all the time. There wasn't a conference room table on which I didn't imagine a lewd image during a business meeting. I couldn't enter an elevator without seeing myself pressed against the wall by a lover and kissed passionately. When I traveled, hotel rooms kept me awake at night as I thought about all the options therein. I have consciously worked to mitigate those thoughts and that’s helped, but even that ‘success’ feels like a loss.
Sex makes me love my body. Watching, feeling, hearing a lover take pleasure in my body and receive it from my touch, these feelings are inimitable. A lover’s certain touch affirms me emotionally and physically. Knowing that my body and my own touch produce exquisite gratification and joy tell me I am a sexy, sensual woman. I appreciate my body and am glad for it, but I ache to express and enjoy its sexual potential.
Our sexuality is a gift of comfort and passion that we offer the world, an offer to sustain a love, to convey our essence from our soul.
There is more to say, but even a non-sexual relationship deserves some privacy. Thank you for respecting that. Please remember these are just my lessons. They may be meaningless to others who face this, and to those of you who are sexually active. I honestly can't predict what will resonate for anyone. I beg you not to tell me I am wrong, but to trust that this is what I think and feel.
(I know this is very long. My apologies.)


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As I read this, my heart was breaking for you and what you have lost.
At the same time, I was getting uncomfortably warm.
Beautifully written. It didn't feel long at all.
Have you done anything sexy for him lately? Try walking around topless and see how he reacts, for example. (And hope someone like me isn't watching with binoculars, but that's another story.)
Don't give up hope.
Can you seek help? There are lots of options out there for you two.
Being desireless and married, is a nightmare for both memebrs of the couple...
You might appreciate this; I posted it several weeks ago: http://open.salon.com/blog/helen_oreilly/2009/04/21/persistent_sexual_arousal_its_not_as_much_fun_as_it_sounds
rated
It wasn't too long. It read smooth. It conveyed vulnerable courage.
I thank others for sharing. There's no other Place to learn but from others?
Human nature is fascination. Fellow humans are certainly amazing.
This will be too long.
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I don't know what to say. I do thank you tho.
I hide my most intimate thoughts. Why do I?
Love of sincere language is the love of truth.
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This don't relate to what you beautifully wrote.
Respectfully, The poem:` Hoeing- by John Updike.
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Hoeing.
I sometimes fear the younger generation will be deprived
of the pleasures of hoeing;
there is no knowing
how many souls have been formed by this simple exercise.
The dry earth like a great scab breaks, revealing
moist dark loam--
the pea roots home,
a fertile wound perpetually healing.
How neatly the green weeds go under!
The blade chops the earth new.
Ignorant the wise boy who
has never performed this simple, stupid, and useful wonder.
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I was supposed to be outside hoeing. I came here and I got stuck.
I wanted to quote the poem about 'Love is the Loser' ... It's a poem: about 'us' someone's who do not take a courageous, intimate, step forward. It's called:` The Four Bed Post? Many people seems to be mismatched, and are in beds with a person they 'love' but prefer another personable lover from the past they have met. The thinkers remember all those "backward" and shy moments. The nights can be so lonely now (lost opportunities), and many people have wished they had been a bit more brave, or more honest. As in having just expressed their honest, and true, inner warmth of affection. They hushed. maybe shy?
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It's hard to say. I am wondering too.
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This sorta relates from a male, Charles Bukowski, perspective. It's his thoughts, not mine.
I've been more reserved.
And yet ... I think? You said it well.
I hear partly ... what you expressed.
C.B. wrote:`
the way it is now
I'll tell you
I've lived with some gorgeous women
and I was so bewitched by those
beautiful creatures that
my eyebrows twitched.
but I'd rather drive to New York
backwards
then to live with any of them
again.
the next classic stupidity
will be the history
of those fellows
who inherit my female
legacies.
in their case
as in mine
they will find
that madness
is caused by not
being often enough
alone.
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So, I don't know?
I yearn for both?
Ya could believe?
I no dare disclose!
I enjoy wondering.
I really like to hoe.
I wish us all intimacy.
You seem so balanced.
You could be eight months pregnant
and out in a pea patch in high heel shoes?
I will try to hoe beets. I'll buy a pair of shoes.
I wonder what it be like to hoe in farm stilettos.
You articulated so much of my world and after reading this, I am just about to go crazy. I know you didn't mean to do that but you made me miss it even more.
So well done - so well written. I wish you, and all of us, better days ahead, somehow.
Rated.
Too bad women age in a completely different trajectory.
i'm celibate also - not from choice - and i was startled to realize that most of what you wrote applies to my life.
thank you, and damn you, for putting it into beautiful, haunting words.
I'm sorry, in no way do I mean to diminish your pain, because there are many who have sexless marriages for one reason or another.
This was an incredibly well thought out piece, obviously written from a place of knowledge and great pain. You articulate what so many feel. I'm happy to see it on the cover and as an editors pick.
I wish I had something to give you hope, but maybe knowing you are not alone will help.
Rated.
Rated.
Your generosity moves me.
I have been quietly weeping since this post first appeared on the feed.
I'm sorry I am unable to respond to each of you.
Please know that I deeply appreciate all of your messages.
I think people dismiss women's needs all the time. We needs sexin' too, yo! I hope you find a solution or arrangement that works for you. I couldn't wait eight years, hell, I get cranky after eight days.
It must feel like you've lost one of the essential parts of you, one of the most natural, carnal, animal parts.
If you haven't talked with the hubby, it's time.
ps consider polyamory. works for tilda swinton. and others too shy to admit.
The next step, if you don't mind my putting too fine a point on it, is to take action. The action required to bring sex and sexual resonance back into your life! It may no longer be available from your husband. But that does not mean it is no longer available. You are obviously intelligent enough to know that some of the most captivating sexual relationships do not necessarily require that the participants be husband and wife. A new chapter and a new destiny awaits someone with as much life and vibrancy as you have within you.
I know that for everything you've written here, there is so much unsaid. I wish for you whatever would let you be alive again.
http://open.salon.com/blog/travis_darby/2009/05/05/involuntary_celibacy_adult_virginity_the_silent_killers
I think I will write a response post: what involuntary celibacy feels like for a man because it is totally different from what you're feeling although I respect your pain.
You are a wonderful writer and I hope to hear more from you. This is a complicated issue. Your loneliness is loud and clear and my heart breaks for you.
rated for digging deep and sharing this pain
This is beautifully written. So many brave, useful, heartbreaking, lovely things. It is by turns funny, insightful, piercing, fascinating, and true true true.
I thought I was brave. You are braver, as a writer.
Your Voice is accessible, intimate without being cloying. You provide just enough, each step if the way. For a piece full of reveal, you are in fact, writing-wise, quite restrained. i do not feel exhausted. I will re-read to see how you did that.
Thank You.
And what Verbal said.
I would love to see a follow-up to this, talking more in depth about what you and your spouse have tried to do to correct this lack. Have you told him how you feel? If he has told you flat out that he has no desire for sex, can you broach the subject of your looking elsewhere? Tricky, I know, but although people do it (go outside the marriage for sex), mostly because they are angry or uninterested in a spouse, sometimes, in a really secure marriage, they do it because they love their spouse and want to stay with them, but need sex.
It has to be mutually agreed upon (NOT cheating), and your husband needs to know how unhappy you are to even consider the option... Explain to him that it's not because you DON'T love him, but because you DO, that you would bring up this possibility.
(Of course, I'm assuming that you do love him and want to stay in the marriage, but that's not clear.)
Very beautiful expression of the ache we (and many others) share.
I think I know what Dan Savage would say, and it wouldn't be very nice.
The bad news is that any of the above likely represents health complications due to aging or lifestyle. The good news is that if so, once the issue(s) are diagnosed and treated, many of the symptoms that prompted diagnosis can be eliminated or amerliorated, and full or at least meaningful functioning restored.
Women take note-- you are often the first responders to the scene-- more likely to notice changes or symptoms in your men and more likely to initiate corrective action, such as seeing a doctor or specialist for diagnosis and treatment.
Diabetes and/or neurapathy often go hand-in-hand. Neurapathy means "nerve death", which accounts for much of the loss of sensations and can occur in the hands-- particularly the fingertips-- feet and toes (which is why people with diabetes have to get their feet checked often)-- the penis (and presumably the clitoris in women), and occasionally, though less often, in the nerves of the face. It can also affect vision, particularly the ability to focus the eyes with respect to each other, digestion-- as it can desensitize the nerves in the stomach and bowels which regulate hunger and digestion.
In short, diabetes and its attendant neurapathy can wreak havoc throughout the body and turn an otherwise healthy and high-functioning adult into a run-down and dysfunctional person in a matter of a few short years. Left untreated it can take away many of the pleasures and sensations of life- both in loving and living.
Ladies-- your man may not be stepping out on you. He may not be losing interest in you. He may not be pulling away from you or any of those other things you fear. Just like you go through menopause and have mid-life issues, men do to. If you love and care about your man-- urge him-- pile him up in the care on a pretense if you have to-- get him to a doctor and checked-out.
If it turns out he's healthy, there's plenty of time to get righteously indignant later. You might just save his life-- and your marriage.
This post was never intended to be about illness, but about my reaction to being in a sexless relationship. Much of my life is about the illness and I didn't want this post to be.
I don't mean to be withholding about that area, but I really wanted to just explore what I have learned and discovered during this time. I could write many posts about illness, but that is unlikely. I just don't want to.
You all are generous with your good wishes, sharing, and kindness.
Thank you, again and again.
My 2 cents
My first instinct was to try to help you fix this, but I see that others have given you more than enough advice that potentially wasn't welcome anyway. I don't know your circumstances, but I do know that it would be difficult for me to live with an ill person and then try to strategize with that person about how I could meet my needs for sex outside of the marriage. And seeking sex outside of marriage would just cement my alliance to my lover, not my spouse.
Your writing is beautiful and is absolutely spot on about the need for sex in a healthy relationship.
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Brava! You've dared to articulate what is and has been a dirty little secret in some marriages. Sex isn't everything, but it's not nothing either.
Dan Savage would tell you to DTMFA, but he'd also tell you to satisfy your needs elsewhere. Your marriage vows told BOTH of you to love, honor and cherist, and that would include cherishing each other at your most intimate.
DH crawfished on the deal, so you're no longer bound to it either. Any spouse who declares sex to be so unimportant, should therefore not piss off if opposite spouse, who feels otherwise, decides to continue to participate in an activity that the other renders negligible.
I'm just saying. I too split on my own marriage for very valid reasons, to include that I just wasn't ready to give up fucking. I also learned the difference between being married and being single: single, I have more $$, more privacy and the sex is better.
BTW, there's a big difference between being BY yourself, and being WITH yourself. Masturbation is still better than nothing--and I agree w/IC London, I'd be a little suspicious. I've always felt that those people who seem sexless, very rarely are; they're gettin' some SOMEwhere.
This is not too long.
Viagra does not create desire in men either. It only affects the plumbing. If there is no desire there will be no erection. Viagra does not create automatic erections (although there are drugs / treatments that do).
In men, loss of libido ("desire") is often a symptom of low-testosterone which can either be its own issue or in conjunction with others (as I've already pointed out in greater length in my previous comments)
I have had some opportunities to stray but I haven't. Alas, it is not for noble principals; if I were caught, no matter the provocation in my own mind, I would be the soulless bastard that broke my wife's heart. She would kick me to the curb in a NY minute and I would be shamed before friends and family alike. I guess the mass of men (and women) do lead lives of quiet desperation.
I've had a sexless life....
and it's almost the same as what you describe here...
only worse...
It's fascinating how many people suggest extramarital activity not understanding that some people are just not able to compartmentalize so well and so completely: this is my sex buddy and this is my husband...there will be no confusion of my feelings between the two.
But prior to marriage I spent too many years substituting: substituting sex for love, screwing for intimacy and assorted other mistakes. So I'm not going to go out at find a FBuddy when the person I really want to be with is my husband. Instead we do the painfully slow work to try to fix the problem. But the pace is slower than molasses in the wintertime and in the meanwhile I live feeling as you do.
Good luck.
I understand. I so understand.
Also due to the illness of my husband, your life mirrors my own.
So much so that I COULD NOT BRING MYSELF to read every word because it brought out the pain I have punched down into my soul. And I can't have that. I cannot allow myself to feel some things because it ....... it makes me stop breathing. And it makes me cry, which is something I also rarely do. IS making me cry.
Thank you for posting what I have been trying to ignore for years and could never, ever write about or speak to my friends about.
I have to keep telling myself to breathe.........
I know. Many nights I couldn't breathe either. I'm so sorry.
I think perhaps I wrote this for you.
You don't ever have to read it all. You already know it.
All my best to you.
Your posting just reminds me that in the big picture there are so many small, detailed particles of separate lives going on. We all come together and create something known as humanity.
We needen't be ashamed of who we are as long as we have the intention of doing no harm to anyone else. Your husband's retreat from sex has harmed you but you chose not to reveal the cause and so we do harm others even unintentionally. I guess we can't get through this life without inflicting pain on someone along the way.
I hope this helps somehow, getting your feelings out and facing the private demons in a public way. Maybe this will bring them down to a "workable" size. My heart wishes you more than the solutions you presently have. I wish you fullness of love.
I am in your husband's position but without a partner. However, I've been the partner who made the relationship sexless and it is torture. I always wanted to connect. I still do. Five years into my own forced celibacy (now alone- they left because of it) and it is getting more and more difficult each day. Now I just want him to come and take what he wants from me so I will have no choice, no chance to tell of my medical condition. I understand that may offend some people. Sorry.
Thanks again for writing this. If I were able to have sex, I would. All the time.
Desire is tricky and inexplicable. It seems to be very personal as well- not about bodies so much but something much more elusive. Despite best efforts and intentions, sometimes desire is fleeting. Despite therapies, talking, crying , pills, doctors, wrestling, tricks and tips and books and pleading-
sometimes the love is really very there but the desire...isn't.
It is devastating if one loses desire and the other doesn't.
man or woman. It doesn't matter. Sex is important for intimacy, for trust, for a relationship. Desire is important for sex.
I don't think because a person loses their desire or isn't desired any more by the one they love, that that means that anyone is "getting it somewhere else " or that the love is gone. There are strong ties that bind between people and unraveling them isn't easy. There is loyalty too and breaking that isn't easy either - even for self preservation.
and there is also a giant blow to self esteem that happens sometimes to the one left desiring- why am I not attractive anymore to the person who loves me best and how will I ever be wanted again?
and then there is life- just the one we know of and the constant mystery of trying to make it the best one we can for ourselves despite all the obstacles we face.
I don't have any advice or suggestions. Just buckets of empathy. I'm glad you wrote this. I'm glad you posted this. I'm glad there are so many responses.
in essence- it totally sucks.
"Kissin' don't last. Cookin' do."
Get over it and get on with it.
Diddle yourself from time to time and relax.
Second, I'm reminded of what I read in Steve Axelrod's blog here on OS: "Every married man knows what nonogomy means: being sexually faithful to a woman who's not fucking you. "
Obviously, it works both ways for both sexes.
And yes, I too am in a sexless marriage, three years plus now, and completely empathize with those in an slm here. I've been with the no sex is better than bad sex group, but after a while you wonder.
I heartily agree with the statements that our USA society offers few good options, frowning on affairs and criminalizing sex workers. If I was in Amsterdam I would know what to do.
I belong to a sexless marriage forum, http://sexlessmarriage.yuku.com/directory , and recommend it to anyone interested. One of the mantras on the forum is 'It's not us, it's them.' Another bit of wisdom is that first things people suggest are of the lingerie, date night, candles and flowers variety; not to denigrate the good hearts of those who suggest such things, but trust me, we've all been there, done that.
Thank you for writing. Good post.
all of these men watch porn regularly, and refuse to stop. then again, plenty of men, including my own current and former lovers have watched porn and everything has been fine. the neglected wives and girlfriends swear that the porn makes their men not want them. the men swear that this isn't the case. the porn remains silent in the face of the controversy.
i wonder how often it's the man with the low libido? i wonder if people know how many marriages and relationships are actually sexless?
in any case, it sounds, at the very least...difficult, and at the most, torturous. good job rendering it for those of us who are here to listen.
For someone like me who was once an open book, having secrets has been life-changing in the most tragic of ways. I am still my happy self on the outside and some - someone - on the inside. Don't recognize her.
The crushing pain I feel for both of us is almost the only evidence that I am indeed still breathing. But barely.
Then, 2 years ago I was having dinner with an old, dear friend who shared that his wife of then 30 years had said, "don't you know - women don't like sex" and declared that she didn't want to have sex with him any more. He confessed that he had been angry and sad but celibate for many years. We now have a loving, sexually satisfying friendship. We are not looking to end our respective marriages. Having what we have somehow takes the sting out of the rejection we both felt at home. Odd not to feel guilty but I really don't! I'm happier than I have been in years.
I stay distant because I can't handle getting close to her and get hurt again and again. I stay with her because I promised when we married but I am increasingly thinking a fb is the best choice in a pile of rotten options. not sure if I could really break that promise to her either. now imagine on top of having a sexless marrage, going through bankruptcy, losing your house, and a few major illnesses of your own while being a part time caretaker and looking for work. yes, I am burned out and so is she. most importantly, I don't hate her but I do wish I was and was with better person.
sorry about the chaos in writing. this is a pain point for me.
If you did not tell him - straight out, in so many words of one syllable - then I guess the next question is, why not? Who knows what the problem (meaning his and yours plural) is - but if your wish is to be the victim rather than the agent of change - so be it.
For several years, I was the cause of a sexless marriage. After a "failed attempt" one night, something just turned off. I can't explain it; it wasn't the first time and we'd always gotten past it before. I just lost interest in a physical relationship. Suddenly.
Every night my wife would lie in bed beside me, desiring my touch, even a simple hug, while I simply rolled over and snored. I didn't stop wanting her to be with me. I didn't want any other woman. I just wasn't interested in physicality. My wife was sure that I felt there was something wrong with her, that I no longer loved her or had affection for her as a woman. The hurt she felt was more than she could express. We have since become close again, but my wife still wanted me to understand what she went through. Your post says so clearly what she tried to tell me. I thank you for writing it and giving her the opportunity to tell me what she could not say herself.
Many of the previous comments here are sadly off target. Sex is far more than a simple release of physical pressure. Between two people in a committed covenant relationship, the sharing of sexual pleasure is the most intimate communication of love imaginable. When that soul-deep relationship does not exist, sex becomes little more than masturbation using another person's body. Going outside a marriage for sex does not replace that intimacy. Moreover, it introduces infidelity; a violation of trust and integrity. When you spoke your marriage vows, you made a solemn promise to your spouse. "Cheating", no matter what the excuse, abandons that promise and makes your word worthless.
Surely, there is no substitute for sex. But there are ways to continue to keep a refreshing connection with each other despite a lack of sex. This is the challenge of a marriage that lacks sex. This is the "for better or for worse" part of marriage that no one really expects to have to experience. This is when you know that you really do love your spouse.
I'd say you really do love your spouse. You've put your marriage and the ideal of the strength of your marriage before all else. The dedication and the togetherness despite the most difficult of circumstances have prevailed in you. You can be proud of that. You can pray or meditate about that and take solace in that achievement.
This line, "I feel distant from myself..." struck a chord.
Your writing is wonderful and I appreciate how you have shown respect and restraint on behalf of your spouse. What a demonstration of love that is!
On the other hand, if she hits menopause while you still want it-- well, tough noogies for you.
Rated, and moving.
http://open.salon.com/blog/mr_e/2009/05/14/love_and_sex_--_the_self_within
A spin-off post aiming to tackle many of the non-medical issues raised in this post.
"Dr. Filth, he keeps his world
Inside of a leather cup
But all his sexless patients
They're trying to blow it up!"
from Deslolation Row by Bob Dylan 1965
We're never going to change something as elemental as that – no matter how much guilt, anger, and little blue pills we throw at the "problem" – so we're going to have to accept it one way or another.
Out of all the things you could have said to me, I am truly hurt that you picked what are lovely, compassionate, passionate and deeply meaningful memories to me and labeled them "unrealistic and out of touch with reality." Surely there were other ways you could have made that point.
I would ask you to re-read and see if you might find any other point on which to focus, or not. Perhaps it doesn't really matter.
I am very very cranky today, yes you can joke about how I didn't get laid last night. I hope this comment comes across in the tone it is being written, which is gratitude.
Let me say this.... to all of you who read and sent a kind word or two, thank you many times over. Many. Your compassion touches me.
To those for whom this piece resonates in ways I wish it didn't, I am very sorry. I wish this on no one in the world. I am trying to respond to many of you by email. Please feel free to write me anytime, if you wish.
This has been a good, but very emotionally trying experience for me. I am tired and feeling vulnerable and unsure right now. I am going to log out for a day or two and not read or comment to the blog. I just need to take a little break from what feels like a lot of exposure, albeit anonymous.
Again, my thanks.
Please don't take the comment from "dude" seriously at all. I am a man ten years into marriage, sexless for more of those years than I care to count, and I can promise you that it isn't true that it is natural for a man's desire for his wife to fade.
It isn't.
It doesn't.
I love her fiercely, want her with a thirst that makes it hard to speak of, and am deeply sad when we don't communicate without words the way we do when we're making love. Strangely, we went through a brief recovery this year after many years without sex, and now I'm afraid it's slipped away again...
but the desire never does. He's wrong. The fact that he says he's co-authoring a book on the subject doesn't make him right about anyone but himself. It sounds like a misguided and pointless book.
I am sorry for what you are going through. Your piece, though, was beautiful and expressed deep feelings on behalf of many of us. Thank you for it, and I hope for the very best for you.
How did I know that that would be it? Not that my partner doesn't have interminent desires to be satisfied-its just one way.
So even though mutual engagement is off the table-due to one partner's lack of interest-the other is left standing there.
Yes, a sexless marriage is nothing I would wish on anyone.
It's a very, very lonely place...
Boy, my post was all over there.
You can tell that this hit a nerve.
What I meant to say was this is month is the yearly anniversary of when we stopped having sex.
Or I should say, when he stopped having sex with me.
Even his doctor has told him-as he prescribed Viagra, Cialis, etc. + testosterone gel-that my husband is not motivated to succeed. With lack of libido came a lack of desire that has increased through out the years-on his part.
By the way, due to stress, I am a post-menopausal woman in her 40's that feels & looks very sexual.
Why does it have to end?
It's NOT a myth...I'm in my 40s, post-menopausal & I'd like to have sex with someone other than myself.
To be perfectly frank, about every other month HE wants to be satisfied orally. (Doesn't last very long.)
He HAS been to therapy & blames this on his many past relationships-he's no longer interested.
I'VE been to therapy.
( Told my therapist about running into a former flame. Therapist suggested an affair. That would never be me.
Why would I want to ruin another's marriage?)
I am stuck-even my adult child has said this to me.
Life for me is a very lonely place.
Thank God for work, friends, outside interests.
Writing this helps a bit 'cause none of you know me...
Some of you appear to be brand new members; please check your OS email, as I will contact you individually that way to say hello and check in.
Kimmy, Silkstone, and Percy - thank you for your kind notes and gentle understanding. Your words feel very supportive and soft tonight.
Even after so long, Thursday nights can still feel empty. Some weeks I don't notice, and then once in a while...
Thanks again, all.
Thank you again!
You are right, you are not alone. I am here. And, read through the comments and consider connecting with another gentle soul here.
I sent you a message through OS, but want to publicly say, Happy Birthday to you on this warm and lovely May night.
Rated.
Thank you for the comment. I sent you a message on Wednesday night through the OS mail system. I hope you received it.
You are the fourth person who wrote to me during the night and said that my post made them sadder than before. I'm not sure how to respond except to say, I'm sorry for how it feels. Very sorry.
Then, whether you are cheating on your husband becomes murky. If your husband would find out, he probably would be more likely to forgive you.
Try it. I may be an answer, if may not.
I have -never- read anything before that sums up how I feel in my sexless marriage. I just cried when I read it as I felt that you were looking into my heart. I have just sent it to a girlfriend also deeply unhappy in a sexless marriage.....thankyou for having the courage to say it - and say it well.
Thank you for reading and commenting. I'm sorry this made you cry and that it hurts so deeply. I wish it wasn't true for any of us.
I sent you a note through the OS email system. Feel free to respond or not. No pressure.
Take care tonight.
I am a woman who has always loved and celebrated her sexuality but was married to a low-libido male. He always had a reason for not wanting sex and when he didn't want sex, he was hostile to other forms of physical affection as well. He had several issues going on in his life which ended up being the cause of our divorce. Still, I understand your pain. I hope you haven't given up hope and are willing to find some ways to work on this. If he is physically unable to please you, he should at least be loving enough to find some things which please you. If not..... you may need to face the fact that he is selfish and move on to someone who is willing to share your passion. I would hate to learn, years from now, that you've grown old and bitter looking back on a life which seems wasted. I've seen too much of that.
But that's my opinion and I'm OK if you don't agree or think I should drop dead. Please take care. Rated.
Since I'm a big bad queer, I like to joke lesbians invented "bed death," but I know all kinds of relationships suffer one person wanting and another not. I so very much feel your angst.
The first year was hot (of course). The second year was more old married couple. By the third year I was happy just to get her to be with me in bed with and cuddle me while I beat off. Then, whether my bio clock went tick-tock or I was lonely for affection, we decided to have a child. I suppose I thought it'd somehow be one big family group hug. Instead, as I joked to friends, I was both the birth mother and the cliche, impatient to have sex again, horny father. For no doubt a myriad of reasons, my lover and I never had a sex life again.
For six years, I struggled like you. You can be all kinds of things in my family, but divorcing with a child is the big taboo. And already being the family weirdo, I try to represent my people well.
Call it middle age crazy. Call it the struggle of different parenting styles and there being no space or place for affetionate making up or sharing a different kind of communication. Call it slowly distancing until we were two strangers in a house, and my suddenly feeling too young to imagine the rest of my life that way. My parents will celebrate their 50th wedding anniversary next year, and they still boink like banshees (albeit slightly slowed down). I just couldn't envision myself stuck in this Sissyphusian place the rest of my days.
We negotiated an open relationship first, and I was discreet in my affairs. But she wasn't happy with that arrangement either, and that heaviness that hangs in the house when there's problem that can't be solved just grew worse until we mutually ended it. Sometimes I think we were merely meant to be co-parents since we have done and continue to do a totally equal, 50-50 damn fine job of that. The kid has learned flexibility from the start--different houses, different rules, but in agreement enough to expect her to do well in what she pursues.
My situation in the six years since has been complicated by my being in Japan and meeting women online (due to limited choices here) who think a long distance lover in Asia is hot for a year and then want me to move to the States because they're tired of having to buy the groceries *and* unload the car, and what am I good for except exotic travel with lots of sex and phone intimacy every night?
So now I find myself quite alone and emotionally exhausted, and I can't say which is better or worse. I can't say, Stay, 'cause it's always something. And I can't promise my grass is any greener. I will say, having been in relationships all my life, I have to wonder what I feared so much about solitude. Yes, it's lonely enough sometimes to drive me to discuss ideas online with strangers just to connect with someone. But at least when I come home now, there's no Macy's Thanksgiving Parade-size elephant in my living room (and all the baby elephants therapy has wrought). And just because I'm happy to coast along single for now doesn't mean I've given up the game entirely. I just want to do something else for a while and, perhaps selfishly, enjoy how peaceful life can be by myself.
Maybe this is just one cloud on your otherwise sunny relationship horizon. Maybe if you focused on your bucket list and pretended you were single when you masturbated, you wouldn't feel so alone. Maybe all kinds of things you didn't ask to be problem-solved, but instead merely shared your experience that prompted me to share mine as a way of sending you a cyberhug and saying, I'm so sorry for your anguish. I know the feeling well, and my heart grieves for your loss. I hope you find a way to come to some kind of peace with it, whether or not you do anything besides share your heartache with us.
Ren Lady - thank you for reading and commenting. (I'm a little embarrassed as to how very long this post is.) I agree that growing old and bitter is a bad combination. In fact, I am very conscious of resisting resentment. I've met those people, those angry, resentful people and I see that as a fate worse than this. I have to choose to not be resentful, and most of the time, I am successful.
And please don't ever suggest that I would tell you to drop dead! One commenter wrote about how 'tight' my body parts might be now. If I didn't tell him to drop dead, why on earth would I tell you? (I ignored him.)
Thanks again for the note.
Thank you for reading all the way from Japan! I truly appreciate you sharing your story (and see many potential blog posts within it.) Your last paragraph said it all for me. I'm going to read it several times... Thank you. I hope you will get involved here with OS. I would like to know more about you.
Shivaun - your comment made me cry, and I haven't cried since Thursday night and here I am in a public place trying to eat a salad and drink some iced tea and maybe not cry. Your words are lovely, thank you. I'm glad the writing worked for you and I swear, I can feel you here next to me. Thank you, very very much.
As far as the male psyche? I have to answer honestly, I don't know. I hope someone else here reaches out to you with some ideas and support.
So we had a conversation.....and decided to never have sex again unless he could give me the companionship that I crave from him. The companionship that I need from him. But that is not to say he decided to never have sex again with someone else. He then decided to take another wife to fulfill his sexual desires. It is called Polygany.
And yet.....you long for sex and I long for dialogue, laughter, and a family life with my husband when he wants nothing more than a receptacle to catch his water and carry his children.
I miss sex but not with my husband. He never once caressed me nor kissed me in a way that made me feel loved and valued. Instead it felt cold, lonely and disappointing. I sometimes awake from a sexual dream having an orgasm. And for now that is enough for me. I am not denying that we are in need of sex but I have found that by not masturbating and reading or viewing things about the subject has helped me not to forget sex but to accept its absence in my life at the moment.
And while well intended I'm sure, I find some of the comments urging you to post more details about your situation and so called solutions to it bothersome. Your post is perfect in it's discreetness, to add unnecessary personal details would only diminish that. And I don't believe it's a solution that you're going for here, it's expression, a quest for understanding and perhaps even acceptance. And at the end of the day that is what it all comes down to in whatever life deals us.....acceptance.
Is monogamy worth it?
Owing to the fact that I realized that most of us are going to live well into our 80s, when I turned 18 and had had penetrative sex with a woman for the first time, I decided that I wanted to remain sexually active till the day I die.
Since then I have worked hard to maintain a high degree of health, not because I want to live for a long time, but because I want to be able to physically have sex no matter how old I may get.
You can call the sex I look forward to my life's aspiration, and my future sexual activity my life's ambition.
I live for sex, or more correctly I live to enjoy sex every time I have sex with a sexual partner.
Currently I have only had one sexual partner for the past 12 years, but if my current sexual partner no longer wanted to have sex, or was incapable of having sex, I wouldn't hesitate for a moment to cast off my vows of monogamy. And likewise I would release my spouse of her vows of monogamy if I became incapable of having sex.
Crying again here for your experience and your honesty. I am doing my best to not give you advice either, because I don't see you asking for it. I will say though, that I am very, very sorry for how he treated you and how damaging it feels. Words fail as I attempt to express this to you.
Have you ever been to a Bob Dylan concert? I've been to several. At some he has said not one word, not one, he just sings. He sings the songs we all know word-by word and that's it. That's what he's there to give us - his live interpretation of his songs. Nothing more. We take from the concert what we are ready and want and need to take with no guidance from him. I've always had the sense that he feels as though he's already given us all he has to give, his music. What else is there for him to say?
I worked on this post for a few weeks before I posted it and yes, I was thoughtful and careful about what I put in and more importantly, what I did not. By the time the comments emerged, I was feeling a little like Dylan, like I had nothing left to give. I've tried to connect a little in the background, through emails, but I'm still feeling like I have little more to offer. This is just my experience, that's all. Obviously, there are so many more, and all are different.
I hope you feel peace and that gentle caress someday.
Inkie, I assume you've seen all the AA posts on OS these days. As far as that topic, I have no opinion. Zilch. But, I will say that it sounds very sad and uncomfortable at your house these days. I'm sorry for that. Using sex as a weapon, to offer coldly or to withhold, is just cruel. I'd say when it gets like that, that's a strong indicator of bigger issues, but you know that already. Thank you for reading, and for your note.
Not-as-nervous - yep. I would agree with you. I think it would be quite different, in good and bad ways. Thanks for reading.
No one can be all things to anyone and I love hiking, biking, and kayaking with my husband who is my best pal..
It's nice, I like it, and I am very good at it. I well understand the mental aspect of it as well as the physical.
I stand by my statement that it can also be lonely.
And that's the last word from me on masturbation.
As an aside, I have 'been there-left that' and leaving was my decision for many reasons (a blog someday) but not a solution because intimacy is such a river in our souls there can be no 'answer' to it's absence or creation. The resonance of your thoughts are deeply felt, could be my own word for word, were I as able as you clearly are in the art of expression. Thank you and keep sharing because I enjoyed your style very much. (rated for sheer gutsiness and clarity).
I'm sorry you knew of this pain yourself, and hope it has resolved for you in a way that feels right. I wish that for everyone.
Thank you for reading and for this gentle comment. I appreciate both.
You have many good insights...and I'm sorry you're going through such a difficult time.
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U don't say how old you are, and that is a factor. Also, you don't say exactly why your husband stop wanting you. There is a big difference between whether it is physical or emotional. One can be fixed, occasionally, while the may not. There are also other solutions, as I am sure you are aware than masturbation.
You give a nice prescription for why to have sex--but if that is the only thing that you believe brings comfort to a union why are you still in it?
What a beautiful woman, what a beautiful human being, you are, in so many ways. I wish you fulfillment, contentment, exhilaration. You will get there, I'm certain of it; you will find your way, and it's clear to me that you will do so in a manner which is respectful of everybody involved.
This post should be solely about you, not me, but I will share with you a sliver of my story, in order to offer you hope. In short, I was in a very similar place to you: the absence of intimacy and tenderness, the loneliness of being in an ostensibly Perfect Relationship, corroded and saddened and emptied and embittered me for nearly 20 years. I kept hoping it would get better; it didn't. I wasn't as honourable as you. And then suddenly it was all over, with huge amounts of pain and destruction and my teenagers' futures changed forever. I was devastated. But when my head stopped spinning (well, to some extent) I was free to tentatively re-contact a wonderful woman (in actual fact, THE Most Wonderful Woman On The Planet)...and I have found an intensity of love, and lust, that I simply did not know it was possible to feel. Our respective circumstances are complex and difficult, and geography doesn't help, but...wow.
You will get there. It's out there for you. You have one life.
Stay strong.
Such a lovely, kind comment. Thank you. I appreciate that you read this so thoroughly and, from what it looks like, joined OS in order to place your comment.
I am very happy for you! Sharing your good story was generous of you, not just for me, but for all the people who are reading and commenting on this post and emailing me privately. You leave us with hope.
And may I just add, your exuberance and joy come through clearly. Surely THE Most Wonderful Woman on the Planet knows she is exactly that! Very sweet.
Thanks to all of you who read, commented, and/or emailed me about this post. Your words of kindness are appreciated.
I'm overwhelmed by the comments and attention this post received and never predicted this level of input. I think it's best to close the comments now, so much has been said. I feel uncomfortable when this post shows up under a 'most read' list at this point. There are so many far better and more interesting writers here who should be in that slot.
If you want to email me through OS, you are welcome to. However, please remember that I only know my experience, but there are many, many more revealed here in the comments. Please consider contacting others with whom you may develop a strong connection.
Thank you for the support you've graciously offered.