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JUNE 16, 2009 1:07AM

Voyeurism. Part Deux. (In Which I Am Not Very Smart)

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This is a follow-up to my last post in which I wrote about seeking a chance to explore voyeurism. This all goes back to the fact that I live in a sexless relationship.

 

I'm not going to tell you what I saw. I'm not going to tell you what they did (hint: they had sex). I'm not going to tell you what I did while I watched. What I will tell you is this, they loved each other. (They still do love each other.) When they made love, they kissed and whispered to each other the whole time. I couldn't make out their words though I was quite close to them, and that was right. Even with another person in the room, a person they had invited into the room, they created privacy between themselves, they created their own space, and their own intimacy. 

When I posted my ad looking for the voyeur experience, I wrote that I was looking for a 'loving couple'. Maybe I did and maybe I did not fully realize what that would mean. I knew I didn't want to see anyone who didn't truly want the experience, and I knew I didn't want to see near-strangers together. What I had failed to recognize though, was the possibility that I would see real 'love' being made. 

Perhaps it was the right thing for me. At the time I did this, my spouse and I had gone without sex for about six years (we're at year nine, now). Perhaps I did need, somewhere deep inside, to get close to love again, physical, romantic, intimate love.  Certainly I've seen porn, and I know it when I see it, and porn does for me what porn can do for people, and it does not do for me what porn can't do - feed the heart, enrich the soul, honor the inherent desire for a deep, close, physical connection with another human being.

When I remember that night, there are a few things that stand out, some I've already told you. I remember how I felt when I met them and how I enjoyed the shared flirting and wooing. I remember watching the first kisses they shared. And then, honestly, I don't remember much. By that I mean, the sexual images have blurred and faded into a little film montage in my mind. What stands out though and has become impossible to forget is the love they felt for each other. As I watched them I could see that they were giving this experience to each other. Exploring this area of sexuality together clearly made each of them happy, excited, and fulfilled. When I saw how they reacted emotionally to each other with such passion and intimacy, it was the only time all night when my presence felt intrusive. Watching a sex act between them seemed far less invasive than being in the room when they exalted in each other's emotional pleasure and shared understanding.

When I left, they walked me to my car. They each hugged me and thanked me. They were obviously excited to go back to their room to re-live the experience together.  I remember feeling like I had perhaps overstayed my time with them by a few minutes and it really was time to go. The last time I saw them was in my rear view mirror as I drove away. They were kissing and holding each other close. I flinched.

They still write to me occasionally, checking in. Over the years, they've asked me to join them again, but I turn them down each time as graciously as I can. Seeing that love, that shared intimacy, that mutual sexual respect and desire turned out to be much harder on me than I expected. I'm glad it exists of course, and I wish it for everyone - for each and every one of you - but I know now that I need to avoid seeing it again. I feel silly and embarrassed that I hadn't predicted that reaction within myself, but I didn't. (I never said I was smart.)

 

Sorry for the disappointing ending. Believe me, I wanted another one, too. 

 

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Beautiful post. The real thing is the best; hope it happens for you again someday. rated
Fascinating read.
Lovely- so heartfelt and eloquent. I'm not disappointed at all in the ending.
Bare truth written at its intimate best.
I am curious if the people commenting/reading would feel different had this been a man watching/blogging instead of a woman?
Ahh, life... we go into things expecting an outcome and are often surprised by what actually transpires. Lovely conclusion, AY. Thank you for writing this. Catching a glimpse of pure love seems like catching one of those rare things in nature that we're not supposed to see -- a hummingbird up close, a predator stalking its prey, an animal sleeping. Beautiful.
@Tipalm: For me, it would not matter whether this came from a man or a woman because of the intent that inspired the desire to do this. It was not about "watching sex" to get off; it was about witnessing true intimacy and feeling the emptiness of knowing that he/she was the third party and not a participant.
This is completely understandable. Exciting in anticipation and participation but left with an empty feeling afterwards. Yeah, I can definitely see that.

Very well described and not a disappointing ending at all.
Beautiful and sad...year five of no sex here. Reminds me of what I will never have. Rated.
You all are so much smarter than I am! I'm still a little surprised that I didn't see this ending coming.

Thanks, all, for reading and commenting.

And, C.W., I'm so sorry.
Wow - I'm not disappointed either. It makes sense, though. There is fucking, and there is making love. Sometimes both are happening simultaneously, but certainly not always. A friend once said to me "sometimes sex is just sex." Obviously, not all the time.

Rated - and hoping for love/passion in your future too.
That's exactly the ending I would have expected. I think it would have killed me to have to watch that. You are stronger than I am to have survived it.
My heart aches for your vulnerability, AY. And I don't think you aren't smart; I think you're human, beautifully and achingly human. I wish for you a surcease of your pain.
AY I think this is very well written and shows the depth of pain you felt knowing what you were missing in your own sexless marriage. Did you have this before in the marriage? Just wondering.

rated for your honesty
Cindy:
You are absolutely right.
Loving partners, even if there is no sex - but love, should help find a way for both partners to be fulfilled. Even if that means going outside the partnership.
Unfortunately, not everyone can see that....

As I've gotten older, I've started seeing the world less in black and white and more in shades of gray... seeing that love associations can come in all sorts of shapes, configurations, triangulations. And that often opening yourself to different ways of thinking about this can alleviate a lot of pain... can lead you to solutions that might not fit into boxes, not might be obvious... but also, that not everyone can do this.

The obvious thing for AY to do is look elsewhere for that connection that she so, so obviously needs in order to continue to be alive. But she needs to do it with the knowledge, and BLESSING, of her partner. If that blessing isn't forthcoming, it can't happen.

And frankly, it's not always so easy to look for it outside of the marital relationship... if the sex she remembers will be hard to duplicate outside that relationship, she might as well just keep flying solo for all the good it does her.

Sorry for the long comment. AY - I think you know I understand where you are coming from.... that you live in a reality to which there is no good solution.
Thank you, kind readers. I so appreciate your comments and notes today. You are good people.

Hey, Cindy - I will respond to your comment, but please give me a little time. I just now had a moment to check here and I'd like to take some time to compose my thoughts to you.

SC, thanks. Sweet of you to follow-up.
Cindy Ross - I am in a situation very similar to AY's. If I could abandon my husband because he had the mentality of a child (he does not) and then become his best friend so as to alleviate my guilt because I am "young and vital" I imagine there is not a room built in hell yet that could hold the disgusting creature I would be. I can't speak for AY, but what I can say for myself is that just because someone CAN'T have sex doesn't mean they don't WANT to. It would be selfish to say, "Hey, um, I know you love me and miss our intimacy, but while you're just hanging out, mind if I run along and have sex? I'll be back in a few hours." I have so much respect for AY for trying to fulfill such a basic part of her being and still do so with respect for her spouse. Maybe a "young child" doesn't know what sex and respect are...but my spouse DOES. I almost can't put into words how much I would hate myself if I "made the best of a bad situation" by abandoning my husband for sex. Are you kidding me? Bad situation for WHO?

"Catastrophic" is your daughter's poor choice in friends and her mom's catastrophic selfish choice - who is caring for the husband? She should have a tad of the "empathy" her new husband espouses.

I know this is harsh and direct but I am just shocked. I also imagine it is not as eloquently written as it could be, but when a nerve is touched, I am not going to waste my time thumbing through my mental thesaurus.
AY, I am so sorry your experience affected you in ways you hadn't anticipated. I do hope you somehow, some way find a path to intimacy.
Hi, Cindy,

Yes, these stories are true. Of course, I can't make you believe me, and I suggest it doesn't matter if you do or not. But, yes, these posts are not fiction.

I've only posted four times here. Surely those posts are not meant to convey nine years of a life. Just four posts. I post when and if I feel I have something of any interest to say (or a rant about being a terrible spouse), and I post when I feel a sliver of bravery. Because even though I hide behind a silly name and an avatar of pink and white circles, I am still a little terrified to reveal anything even under disguise.

I write here to push myself, to examine my life, to ask more of myself through my writing. I can see from your comment, and others who have asked me to stop posting, that my words don't always hit the mark, and they may even frustrate and annoy. I think I'm sorry for that, but I'm not sure that I am to blame; maybe I am. I try to write clearly, but I know that because I haven't told everything, there are nagging questions that bother some readers.

As far as my spouse's sickness, I have no intention of ever writing about that. Does it really matter which illness it is? I can't imagine why it does, unless someone wants to fix it for us. I live with the illness, as a wellspouse, every day. Every post here is because of its impact on me and my spouse. I think about the illness much of the time and worry about it all the time, somewhere in my brain. This blog, as strange as this may sound, is my teeny little reprieve from the illness. It is a place where I can reflect on me and my life. It often feels incredibly selfish to do so here, reflect on me, but... somehow I think it may help me, too. Maybe.

As for your daughter's friend.... well... good. I guess. For every story of a spouse who left an ill spouse and is happy (at least from a distance) I think we all know of some who left and are not happy. I don't know if she made the right choice or the wrong choice. I have no idea. None. I also hold no judgment, because... I just can't judge it. I just don't know. The decision carries many ramifications that are hard to even ponder sometimes.

My timeline for 'progress', whatever that is, may annoy and irk some of you. To that I say... it's ok to never come back and read me again. It is truly very ok. We all have writers here that we avoid because they depress us or bore us or frustrate us or offend us. All I can offer is that I'll never change my avatar and one can always think, "Oh there are those stupid little pick and white circles again! Not reading that one!"

As far as compassion and you finding it hard to feel for me/this post; that's quite fine, too. Compassion cannot be forced or generated when there is no base for it. I understand that my words did not create that sense in you, and I'm sure the same is true for others, and again, I say - that's totally fair and understandable.

Your honesty is appreciated.
hi AY. your writing opens a real pandoras box. I appreciate finally getting a kind of closure with this last post that has stretched out weeks with your other posts. you've scratched a little bit of the itch.
I could write a lot here in response to the above.. your writing begs for further detailed deconstruction.. it does tap into the zeitgeist of our age..
but instead, let me just say, I think you would like a book called "tantric quest" by odier, or to examine the religion of tantra. tantra is mistaken to be a sexual religion. in a sense, that is a contradiction/paradox. it embraces both "sex" and "not sex". it might help you confront the dichotomy that you are facing, the horns of the dilemma that you're impaled upon. Ive recommended it to one other person on here so far, but let me just say, she's probably not as evolved as you are to appreciate it. hoping to discuss this book with someone on OS some day. its profound. good luck.
"Sorry for the disappointing ending. Believe me, I wanted another one, too. "
but why is the ending disappointing? what was the other one that you wanted?
Hi vxn,

To be dreadfully honest, I think I wanted an ending that left me sexually satisfied and not sad. That's all. Sounds like a small ask, but actually it was much bigger than I knew.

Thank you for your note. I sent you a msg.
Cindy,

Thanks for taking the time to write your response. You wrote: "Accurately or not, I got the impression from your first two posts that you were dedicated to honoring and safeguarding your marriage and your husband's best interests, and prepared to make steep sacrifices to do so. I felt a real sense of cognitive dissonance reading your two most recent posts. They didn't fit the image I'd formed of you."

I agree. These last two posts DON'T fit the image that many had formed about me. I knew that was going to be the case when I wrote the first voyeur piece and I knew (and was told) that it truly bothered and disappointed many people who had a differing idea of me. Well... as you said, (I think, in your comment or PM) we are complex creatures, and sometimes what we do, especially our most private behavior, doesn't 'fit" with what our outward persona seems to indicate.

I suppose I could delete these posts and go back and start over and write some pieces that would examine the whole nine year process - what I've thought, decided, debated, tried, rejected, and struggled with personally and within my relationship with my spouse. I suppose I could.

Thanks for giving me some things to ponder. I appreciate that.

Take care.
We can learn from your posts, and feel your resignation and sadness. You do not owe me or anyone anything. I feel I am learning more about the human condition when I come to the pink circles, and that alone is worth it.
@Cindy Ross~ I think it's wonderful that the personal situation you briefly described in your comment has worked out well for those involved. Honestly I mean that. And I realize that anecdote is mentioned as a way of noting that many clouds can have silver linings given the right circumstances and if the necessary steps are taken. If only everyone in similar situations could have such a happy outcome from a terrible accident or illness. I also agree with your assertion regarding the writer/reader contract. I just have a different opinion about And yet's posts in that, to me, they are completely believeable. You said a mouthful with "We humans are nothing if not inconsistent." While it may be difficult for you to feel compassion for And yet's position since there are certainly blanks to be filled in regarding her life story we've only seen her post four times. I'm patient; she will decide what she wants to reveal and when. For the moment, based on the human experience I've had during my 42 years with what I've lived through, am living through and observed of others, I find that And yet's story so far rings true. And the writing is good; I like her style. Although posted anonymously to me her writing demonstrates courage by putting herself out there and inviting comment.

Me, I'll stick to missives car shows and pizza recipes because quite frankly I'm not ready to bare my soul with writing on OS just now, anonymously or not. But I respect And yet and others here for doing so.

Cindy I've found you to be reasoned, thoughtful and of sound opinion. This is not a criticism of anything you've said, just another reader's humble opinion.
Thanks so much Lea and Smithery. Your words mean much to me today.

Cindy, I'm not sure where we've ended up as far as you wanting me to reply by just PM or here, (I'm tired and can't remember). If I can maintain an Internet connection tonight, it seems to be quite iffy for some unknown reason, and if I can get the energy up, I will respond to your comments and send you a note.
I appreciate the thoughtfulness you bring to the discussion.

Oh, I congratulated SeattleK8 last night. That's great for her. I used to follow Girl from Britain and I remember what happened to her when she got a book deal from her blog. If that happened to me, I would, and I am not kidding, die.
AndYet-- you say the ending did not leave you "sexually satisfied". another zen Q to ponder-- what is sexual satisfaction? physical orgasm? that is a highly personal/individual question. there are in fact many ppl who do not feel "closure" with an orgasm and obsessively pursue them, either privately or with a partner. sex addicts would generally be in this category. there are voyeurs who would be satisfied with your experience, Id say. there are ppl who have no sex at all, and would be satisfied.
"give me patience to accept the things I cannot change, courage to change the things I can, and wisdom to know the difference".

I say the following in the spirit of your own cyber candor: I have had a marvelous sex life my whole life, but I too feel at times like Im stuck in a box.
tantra teaches-- feeling stuck in a box is a permanent condition of being human, of having an ego. altering ones style of thinking is the key to transcending the box.
who is Girl from Britain? did she have an OS blog? whats up with her book?
while we're on the subj,
here are some of the famous sex bloggers who have gotten books
- tracy quan. diary of a manhattan callgirl.
- anonymous. secret diary of a call girl.
Ive read the 2nd. it was turned into an HBO show. good stuff. recommend it.
another fun book
- my horizontal life by chelsea handler. she has a sequel out.
I am starting to get a feeling that maybe your sex life before your sexless 9yr marriage was not all that technocolor, so to speak. maybe Im wrong. in any case Id be curious as to that.
also, another big open question, if you value sex so much as you say you do in your 1st post, what were the conditions that you started your marriage in? was your spouse initially "zesty" and go downhill? or did it start out lukewarm or sketchy from the beginning?
Hi, vzn

I just have a second and then I'm off for the day and last night was not a good one for me to be writing so my apologies about not responding then.

Here is the link for the Girl: http://girlwithaonetrackmind.blogspot.com/

I like her writing a lot. She's cool.
yes, beautiful. the ending is not a surprise.
Thanks for reading Kimmy Sue. I appreciate the comment.

vzn, actually, we had a rather wonderful sex life before the illness. Creative and experimental, "exotic" even, as Cindy might say. There was trust and love and....

And now, I'm done commenting for a bit. Hard, hard week here, emotionally and with the illness. Sadness abounds at home.

Cindy, if/when I post again, remember to feel very free to just take a pass.

Take care, good people.
hi and yet. you say to cindy, "just take a pass" if she wants. you recommended the same to me once. you seem to be averse to contrary opinions littering up your comments. human nature, but still-- bummer.

has anyone read "girl with a one track mind"? 2006 book by Girl from Britain
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Girl-One-track-Mind-Confessions-Seductress/dp/0091912407/
ps I agree with cindy on the following point. AndYet, you obviously havent written a lot, so you're still mysterious. you seem to like it that way. but you're not addressing a key issue here, that is what your husband thinks, how you confront the issue with him. now, maybe you prefer not to be psychoanalyzed and just let the writing stand as "interesting writing". but, its almost impossible not for readers to have the same questions.
the post flirts/raises an interesting question that cindy is touching on. is it marital/monogamous infidelity to engage in the above experience, as the voyeur? long ago, some people that even fantasies about other relationships were forbidden. carter prez once said in playboy interview he had "lusted" after women [presumably fantasies] and it caused a real uproar at the time. attitudes are more lax today, but there are still lots of hidden "electric fences" associated with Monogamy that AndYet is dancing around.
You're not stupid; you merely tried yet another way to cope. (150 tries from now, you might invent the light bulb.) You may have been disappointed; you may have been devastated; you may have been reminded of a loss you're reminded of every day, but you were brave and heartfelt and mindful in your trying, and it's easy to forget when our hopes let us down that not trying can be just as haunting. Safe may be better sometimes, but it can also cause it's own share of sorry sorrow.

You're very kind to your critics and a good teacher for me as I study the lay of this odd land, wanting to get on the radar ~and yet~ still enjoying the anonymity of flying in the middle of the ocean. I read the appalling things people say to you and think--since I haven't even made a masthead yet--maybe I should foreground at the top of my page: You Want A Different Story, Go Write It Yourself (Duh, Idiot!). Still working on those parenthetical remarks.... My advice is just as unsolicited, ~and yet~ I say, Just keep writing it your way in your own time. It's working for me so far. You're certainly creating quite the plot; look how crabby the tension is making people! (Maybe my masthead should be, Sorry, I Can Only Try To Please You Once A Month.) Well done, And Yet, as always.
Butchy.... I have no words to convey my enormous thanks to you.

If you ever get back to the states, I am buying you any drink(s) you want.
Sorry I got here late! ButchyBabbles- I may steal your genius line "You Want A Different Story, Go Write It Yourself" Wonderful.

And yet- I sincerely hope the good in posting here outweighs the bad because I think you have important things to say. Your posts always give me much to think about and I happen to think they are written very well.
Thanks, JustJuli (without an e). I've got a post ruminating around in my head. We'll see when/if it comes out. Much to consider.

Thanks for reading again.
Watching a sex act between them seemed far less invasive than being in the room when they exalted in each other's emotional pleasure and shared understanding.

This made me cringe. I hate being exposed to that kind of intimacy unless its being directed toward me. And even then I can frequently become nauseated. It's why I'm a bachelor now.
oh, Monsieur, my heart breaks.

xo
P.S. Please never leave. I seem to need you here.
Don't know how I missed this when it came out, except maybe because my own life was undergoing a spell of sickening drama. I'm glad you wrote this. I'm checking out the Craig's list thing myself as a way to have adventures without the emotional landmines of relationships. Already, I'm getting attached to strangers whom I haven't met, whose personalities resonate with me and mine with them. I can't seem to do this without caring about people, much as I crave the no strings attached experience. By the time you select someone, you're involved. Just that process creates an emotional connection, and that is difficult to keep within boundaries. I'm thinking experience helps. Knowing what you are and aren't up for. I'm testing to see if I'm up for being vulnerable in exchange for the intense sexual experiences I want.

I totally get what you're doing. I'm pushing myself to reveal more here. Even writing under a pseudonym, which mine is (though the path back to me is clearly marked), I feel I still calculate what I reveal. I'm pushing Sirenita to say more stuff that I then have to deal with and own. The more I do that, the less I have to fear. If people get pissed off at me for how I am or think that the fact that I am not monogamous is an attack on their own marriage and then say hurtful stuff to me, it just proves to me that I can survive it. That's why I created Sirenita to be bolder and more open than I am myself, for the practice.
Thanks for reading and the comment, Sirenita. I appreciate both.

Funny, isn't it, how posting even anonymously or somewhat so still feels so scary and emotionally risky? I've really started to ponder that these last few weeks. Not sure that I've decided anything or that I know how I will move forward. I think that posting and interacting with readers here has been mostly good for me, either in terms of feeling supported and understood, or in moving somewhere in my personal growth. But still, it all comes with a price and some days I feel more able to pay that price than on other days.

I'm sorry to read that you've been through some 'sickening drama'. I hope things are better now in your world.

Thank you again for taking the time to read.
Poignant post, not disappointing but, rather, somehow uplifting - rated. It seems strange to respond to the post at the end of such a tangential comment thread, so if I may respond also to the thread: I applaud your ability to write so eloquently on such a sensitive subject; I respect your privacy and the boundaries you establish for your own blog; I admire your choice of topic and your exposition of it; I hope you will write again and I am going now to read your other posts. I may respond to one or other of those, too, by comment/rate/silence. I trust that my response will not impinge unfairly on you or denigrate your negotiation of this most personal dilemma.
Psychomama, such a kind and thoughtful message. Thank you for that, and for reading. I'm touched that you did both.

I am trying to complete another post, but may just send it as a PM to a few people, as I am not sure the idea is post-worthy. I will let you know if I decide to email something. If you are interested in reading it, I will send it on.

Again, thank you for visiting and leaving your thoughts.
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