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Ann Nichols
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I write, I read, I clean up after people and I worry about things. I have a chronic insufficiency of ironic detachment. My birthday isn't really December 31; it's March 22 but it won't let me change it.

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JANUARY 25, 2010 9:24AM

Dead at 47?

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About a month ago, I wrote a post about the fact that the lead singer of the band "Kings of Leon" had been quoted as saying: "[t]hat woman in mom jeans who'd never let me date her daughter likes my music? That's f--king not cool." My post was a letter addressed to the singer, Caleb Followill, explaining my belief that a real artist is trying to express something, and that the success of that gesture, not the relative "coolness" of the audience is the significant benchmark. I neither expected, nor received a reply from Mr. Followill.

I did, however, get numerous comments from devotees of the band, haranguing and pleading with me, in their dogged and semi-literate way, to understand context, coolness and youth, all of which had clearly escaped my gnarled clutches.  After a few rounds of this, I found myself sitting at my computer, listening to Vampire Weekend and wearing Chuck Taylors, feeling that I was a complete and total fraud. It seemed that if someone came into the house and started peeling a little bit at the top of my head, the entire facade of "hip middle age" would unzip and fall away, revealing...what? A toothless crone with a cane and an AARP card tucked into her largely vacated brassiere? A retro mom with roller "set" hair and a nice tweed skirt listening to Lawrence Welk?  When did I stop being as young as I feel, and start being "older," if not actually "old?"

As a sensitive type, I am keenly aware of the perils of mutton dressed as lamb. I do some things to avoid appearing dowdy - I color my gray hair, I avoid wearing orthopedic footwear and shapeless pastel sweatsuits emblazoned with screen prints of adorable kitties - but I promise that I am not poring over Teen Vogue trying to figure out whether I would look cuter in the peasant mini or the schoolgirl kilt with my new Uggs. I do not run to iTunes to download Brittney's latest, mostly because I don't particularly like her music, but I do keep an eye out for new music* from several indie bands that I enjoy. I read all of the Twilight books, and I have been known to watch "Gossip Girl," but I also read and watch far more complex offerings. I want to know about Skype, Twitter, Tumblr, sexting, and Limewire. None of this means that I secretly believe myself to be sixteen again. It means I like to know stuff, like I always did.

I also remember the need to separate from my parents (particularly my mother), and the importance of asserting that I was Young and Free and understood Gary Neuman and The Tubeway Army. I do not try to be a peer to my son or his friends; mostly I find 13-year-olds to be as repulsive as I found them when I was one of them. My interest in cutting edge culture is not about being young, it is about being alive. I am even capable of groaning audibly in a car filled with boys when that idiotic song about "Fireflies" comes on the radio, affirming to them, to my son, and to myself that I am not glomming on to their music in some desperate attempt to have a second youth, that I still have my responsible mom credentials and am not afraid to use them.

None of my choices come from some inchoate desire to be young and cool; it has been my belief, as I aged, that I was developing a good sense of who I am and what I really like, and that I was free to pick and choose from everything the world offered. Part of the "good sense" meant that I knew that I didn't look good in clothes designed and cut for teenagers, and that it would be unattractive for me to insist on shopping at Abercrombie. (Aside from the fact that the clothes are apparently designed to fit exhibitionists who eschew solid food). I am aware that "getting down" while I am chaperoning a middle school dance would have mortifying consequences, and I limit myself to the most discreet tapping of my foot behind the concession window. I know that my Chucks make me happy, but also do nothing to lengthen my legs in boot cut jeans; I rarely wear them outside the house. I have felt free, for many years, to create playlists that include Van Morrison, Beatles and Muse, to work something trendy into an outfit, to work with a cross-generational palette when creating my daily life.

Aside from the odd creaky knee or the shock of an impending 20th high school reunion, I don't feel old, and other people my age don't seem old. People older than I am, from Meryl Street to Helen Mirren seem to me to be beautiful, and without a discernible season that has passed. Why do I have to slip quietly into that good night of old age, to be seen and not heard, to stop looking for anything new, and to admit that I don't understand these newfangled songs, or the allure of a nicely looped scarf?

Yesterday, another commenter vented his spleen on my "Kings of Leon" post. His alphabetical summation of my failings concluded with this one: "[a]nd finally, 'd)': you’re only young once. Clearly you miss spent your spell in the younger years." Overlooking my young critic's inability to spell, I felt sad, and tired and old. I felt like I had only just come in from standing on the porch and yelling "hey you kids, get off of my lawn!" I felt judged, and categorized and pathetic about my most recent iTunes downloads, my long hair, and my secret desire to have a tattoo. We are "only young once," and I, a very serious and somewhat stodgy young person, had wasted that time which I would never get back. I was now consigned to some middle-aged hell in which I ranted about hip-hop "not being music," and had trouble programming my cell phone. It seemed that the only appropriate role for me at 47 was "seen and not heard," accepting of cruel and short-sighted opinions if they came from a Rock Star, and essentially, culturally, dead. I might as well put on my sweater set and pearls and  complain about that Elvis and his nasty dancing. (And, by the way, why did any of these people think I had bought a copy of Spin in the first place, given my total inability to understand...anything? Did they think that I was planning to request legislation mandating separate "Rock Star Bathrooms," and required a good, current list of those prospectively banned from sharing my commode?)

Here's the thing, though, and I think it's a real and important thing. What bothered me most about the "mom jeans" comment was not that it was age-ist (although it was). What bothered me, and what was missed by all of Mr. Followill's ardent supporters,  was that his comment was viciously unkind in a way that I dislike in any context. Although less dramatic, it is the kind of flip, judge-y dismissal that I associate with racism, sexism, religious conflict, and anything else that divides groups of people into "us" and "them" and permits free-flowing potshots at "bad them." I can allow youth to engage in the necessary and painful process of individuation and separation; every generation needs, in some way, to have their own revolution and to re-create the world that they will inhabit (until their own children make them redundant and take over). I cannot accept that it has to be accomplished with cheap shots and cruelty. Vitriol might more appropriately be directed at the government, at large banks, or at a troubled educational system than at middle-aged moms who seek a little happiness by listening to "new" music instead of Billy Joel.

I will not disappear. I will not apologize for my age, or my taste, or my need to speak up when I feel wronged. I am not ready to lower my standards and accept glib cruelty as "the way things are, now," or to become an inadvertent proxy for the Repressive Older Generation. I am not ready to be old, much less dead at the age of 47.

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I don't wear mom jeans, and I wouldn't let Caleb Followell date my daughter. He's fucking not cool. Oh I'll still listen to his music, 'cause he's not old enough to tell me what to do! And to infuriate him further, I'll use one of his songs as background to the video of my MIL's cruise to Puerto Rico.

I feel sorry for the kids who believe you're only young once; they're the ones who will feel dead at 47.
Ann, it is just beginning for you. And you will find that you still feel alive and "you," as the numbers pile up. I am way older than you, and could care less when really young people think of whatever I do or don't. They will "get it" eventually, and the next group of young 'uns will pick on them. The way it is and always will be. There is such grace in age when you embrace life.
Do not go gently into that good night. The thing I am learning about middle age (a few years beyond) is that this is *our* life. We get to finally choose what we wear, what we do and who we want to be.
This is one of my favorite pieces of writing eh-ver. rated with much respect and admiration.
There are many men on this site who write about good new bands, I have not noticed this type of remark on their sites, I don't like the mom jeans comment either. Are we to run like lemmings off the cliff over 45 so no one as to "see us aging" (comment that was made about Hilary Clinton). F no. I listen to new good music and perhaps I will download it free so this kid won't get any of my middle age money either. I like Kings of Leon also, but will listen differently. Rock on. r
I'll cross the vast cultural chasm between youth and maturity whenever I feel like it, and I'll cross back over when it is not to my taste. Anyone who tries to push me off the bridge had better be prepared for a fight. Mom jeans? Really? Not too many women who could be "aged" so easily these days.
R
44 here. dont know kings of leon.
i do know that i was 30 years old when i discovered my inner 15 year old boy.

fuck em. no one can tell you how to live. and i say, if you want? i mean, at 70 it gets a bit tough, but at 47? you wanna dress like lamb? go ahead.

but mom jeans are so much better.
You write: "Why do I have to slip quietly into that good night of old age, to be seen and not heard, to stop looking for anything new, and to admit that I don't understand these newfangled songs, or the allure of a nicely looped scarf?"

Do you realize you are succumbing to ageist stereotypes h ere?
Just remember, stereotypes are always in the third person. They're never about ourselves, and they never are used by anyone who gets to know another person as "you." Your commenter might learn that some day -- perhaps by the time he reaches 47.
Counsellor, age is only a frame of mind. Always has been, always will be. The important thing is to nourish the spirit and nurture the mind - the rest is all "window dressing".
R
Dear Ann,

I love the new Vampire Weekend. Have you heard the new Spoon?

f
I detest being told what is and is not cool for those of us, particularly of the female persuasion, over 40. I'll listen to what I want, dammit!
Well-written post and as others are saying, let's none of us go gently into the night...(or day!)
Zyskandar ... Jesus. What?

Ann, I know what you mean, though I'm old(er), uncool, and not-hip -- and I like it that way.

I like your post, too. Rated!
I don't know. I wouldn't be inclined to take the judgments of teenagers and fledgling rock stars to heart. Just enjoy what you enjoy, and stop worrying about being cool or uncool--that concern is the only thing I see as unbecoming in a 47 year old.
"My interest in cutting edge culture is not about being young, it is about being alive." Yes, wonderful statement.

The judgements fly both ways, sometimes. I remembering having a little anxiety before chaperoning my niece's sweet 16 several years ago, at a time when she was into goth. As it turned out, there were dozens of scary looking kids--saying please and thank you, and cleaning up before they left for the night. I had the advantage of conversing with them in person.

Sometimes, I think that the asynchronicity of virtual interactions leave too much room for the sort of cliched responses you describe above. The young commenters think they have defined you, when obviously, they have not. Great post.
Amen, Sister Ann! (and I think Chuck Taylor's are cool, too.)
wait a minute. Your kid let you chaperone a middle school dance?
I had no idea that getting older (and I'm ahead of you by just a bit) was so liberating. Really and truly. "Cool" is a state of mind.
Followill's BS don't fly in my house. I'm not going to explain my black Vans' or my whatever I listen and dance to. I'm not going to play that game. Don't let the pea-brains get ya down.

And... btw... beautiful writing, as always.
Chucks are shoes.

Who cares about transitory pop culture? Teenagers? What do they know? They're children.

What's uncool is defining yourself by someone else's scale. The history of jazz is filled with folks who retained their cool cachet well into middle age and beyond and they did it by being true to themselves.
My take - he wasn't trying to be viciously unkind, he was trying to be funny, and mocking people who aren't as _____ as you and the people that follow you is the easiest way to get a laugh. Getting a laugh is like getting popularity points. Young people care more about popularity because they don't have much else beyond their cool wardrobe.

The most uncool thing in the world is being self-consciously cool. Some of the coolest people I know dress like horrors and have dumb hair, but they are so fucking smart and funny and have so wide and deep interests it makes me feel as if I've barley scratched the surface of being human.

Don't worry about what a hormonal idiot who cultivates cool mostly to get laid thinks about your jeans. They probably *are* uncool jeans. You don't deal in the currency of cool every day - you're a grown up and you don't have to. That's actually the good thing about being a grown up.

You can't achieve true cool until you can pursue your interests w/out caring what other people think. Do not go gentle, but don't go kicking and screaming either. Enjoy the ride.
good post! sorry I didn't lead with that.
Let's see. It isn't enough that the band has to be good. They also have to be *NICE*????

One of the reason that adults can be cool in a way that adolescents never can is that they truly don't give a fuck about what people think. I assume that you are able to get beyond the fact that most of your age cohorts wouldn't appreciate your musical tastes.

So why would you really care that some band "loves you back" ???

I wouldn't bother with this if I didn't think you could do it. Get over it and turn a perceived insult into a badge of honor.

You are the consumer. You are the boss. You are the ADULT here. And people that serve you -- they don't need to love you back.

There is hope for you yet. Quityerbitchin.
If you're a year older than me shouldn't you be sneaking up on your 30th high school reunion? Nit picked.

Otherwise, I feel your pain (or is that just my arthritic shoulder?). Last weekend I was wandering through the local mall trying to find some clothing that would be age-appropriate for a 46-year-old male. I'd look ridiculous in clothes from Abercrombie or Hot Topic but I'm not ready for grandpa clothes from Sears. And I don't care what the demographers say, I don't have the musical or fashion tastes of a 60-year-old baby boomer.
Bit of advice from a contemporary: Stop dying your hair.

You are postponing the inevitable. And dyed hair is a dead giveaway that you are not the age you want to be. Let it go. Let it gray, and then treat it like the most beautiful hair in the world.

Ever notice how many women, once they finally decide to stop dumping all those chemicals on their scalp, suddenly stop taking good care of their hair? It gets ugly and weird looking--not because of age but because of the neglect that comes when women don't like themselves.

Embrace the silver and gray and white. Demand a sexy haircut. Treat your hair kindly. Love it. You will be much closer to your best self, when you do.
Being 47 myself, I feel like I should ask you, "Shall we to tea dear?" Except for fuck that, although I adore tea. I've noticed that we are a quiet generation...and I am so happy to see many of us in this age range find OS...these poor spellers...these whippersnappers do not know a thing...I didn't at that age...I thought I did...we had to or we wouldn't survive. All part of growing forward. But the older I get, the less I know, and ain't it grand? xox
What I mean to say...is I look at the youngsters and smile...oh...they don't know what they don't know! xox
I watch The Secret Life Of The American Teenager and I haven't been a teenager for many many years. I think that no matter what age any of us are, we ought to listen to what we want, watch what we want. Age is truly only a number. And I've yet to figure out what being "cool" actually means.
But I do know that you are a fantastic, amazing writer and I enjoy reading your posts!!
Once upon a time, long, long, ago when I was young and fairly cool one of the coolest things I found in life was a cool older person. As far as that goes, cool is not claimed it is something that one is. This jack leg bastard cannot proclaim himself to be cool that is the most uncool thing that a person can do. He will never be cool. Just another asshole who in ten years will be looking for a face lift, hair plugs, and botox to keep himself young enough to still be cool and he still will be just another asshole. You my friend are truly cool. Age does not change it unless you choose to become one of the tragically un hip.
I was once hip for a while, but my interests were more important to me than my hipness, which silently and stealthily crept away from me while I was busy having a life.
"I can allow youth to engage in the necessary and painful process of individuation and separation; every generation needs, in some way, to have their own revolution and to re-create the world that they will inhabit..."

Youth are the most powerless when it comes to buying power or any power for that matter - They are not established or have come into their own - what is cool about that? Sucks! and they know it, that's why they rebel.

But it doesn't have to be us against them. Sad that the KOL guy is so backward in his thinking but then he is the artist not the one trying to market him to teen bop masses with no money except from those MOM jean people holding the purse strings.

"Be yourself is all that you can do." - Audioslave - bet you wouldn't hear that shit from Chris Cornell...(I may be wrong but I think not - he put on a generous show in bumfuck Maine and encored his heart out for us - it was thrilling) - there is a new decal on the gym mirror where I workout that says, "In a world where you can be anything, be yourself."

Youth rebel in uniform - the uniform sold to them by slick mass media marketers - from the time I was young, I preferred NOT to be commercial and popular cool. I can tell you are your own brand of cool and a uniquely cool writer too!
I have to agree with Robin Sneed. Young people have no idea how much they will lose, and how their dreams will be altered. I feel sympathy for them, and I would never want to be young again and have to go through all that again, to get here.

Thank goodness young people are over-confident. If they knew what we know, they would kill themselves today and a generation would be lost. Let them be arrogant. We were.
Miss Misk...yes...suffer the little children...let them run in circles and vote for god knows who and have many fancy flying ideas about things...reality settles in soon enough. xox
"I avoid wearing orthopedic footwear and shapeless pastel sweatsuits emblazoned with screen prints of adorable kitties "

Ann, I laughed so hard. This is terrific!!
Remember:

"Forty--fifty--sixty--whatever--is NOT the new 20, 30 or 40.

"Forty, fifty, sixty is the NEW 40, 50, 60!!!"

Repeat til well seasoned.
i think the lyrics to LCD Soundsystem's "Losing My Edge" says it best. you should check it out. it's a great song.

p.s. caleb followill is a f*ckwit. he should be greatful that he even has fans.
Any artist who attacks anyone who likes their art strikes me as stupid to say the least. He sounds like a poseur who desperately wants to be cool but only succeeds at looking foolish. If you have to prove you're cool, you're not. Old show biz rule.

As for the age thing, I run into this all the time in the classroom with students insisting that I don't understand their need to use words like "douche bag" in professional documents. They earnestly explain to me what the "new" expression means and can't grasp the concept when I tell them that I've heard, even used it before. I kind of enjoy their confusion at that point.
Righteous, Ann. Absolutely RIGHTEOUS.
z - you are a tough one. :) I did live in Boston, but I have repatriated to Michigan. I dream of Steve's. Does that change anything?

b - you made me laugh really, really hard. I want to see that video.

l - I know you're right, and I'm happier than I ever was when I was younger. I think, maybe, that's why it was such a shock to see myself dismissed in that way.

j - thanks so much. I really do see it getting better, aside from the creaking knee and the blood pressure meds.

r - "perhaps I will download it free so this kid won't get any of my middle age money either." I love that. Love it.

s - there's a good mantra in there, thanks!

d - i sure as hell don't wear mom jeans. Even on days when I might just appreciate the elastic.

j - so i can get that tattoo? I really want one. (Seriously).

r - oh, that was intended as irony. I don't feel that way at all; I feel that I am SUPPOSED to feel that way. Sorry I wasn't clear.

a - that is a perfect statement of my basic view of life. If we are "them" there is no division. I'm mostly anti-division.

f - you are so completely right.

f.i. - Transference? Just got it. Fantastic.

r - thank you!

r.m. - you're right. I just had a little righteous indignation thing burning there.

s - that's an excellent point. I actually live on a street that is all undergraduate rentals...and my family. We interact with 20-somethings every day, and take them at face value (and often love them) which is part of why it's shocking to be judged, "virtually" as part of an alien species. I guess I had imagined a (fake) rule that if I interacted with and tried to understand "youth," that I would not be categorized as the Ancient of Days.

l - thanks. Rock on. :)

j - yes. My kid thinks we're pretty cool. Or he's just faking so we'll buy him stuff. Hard to say.

m - keep it coming. I'm pretty much there, philosophically; this was just a little setback to my "cool."

ck - thanks; now I think I need Vans, too...Vans and a tattoo.

k - they are the coolest people who ever lived. I'd pick Thelonius Monk over Callowill any day.

s - you are right, and they aren't cool jeans (but they aren't real "mom jeans," she said defensively). Not caring what people think has always been hard for me, but if I don't get over it, how can I enjoy my wild dotage?!

w - good lord, I think I was made to read that poem 800 times. You are very funny. :) (Anyone who can mix dry humor and Thanatopsis gets huge points in my book).

n - but what do you really think? Seriously, you nailed it, and I'm pretty much over it. I am going to practice devil-may-care panache until I own it. (I'm glad you think I can do this, by the way).

s - yup. It's the 30th. Not denial, though; exceedingly poor math skills.

m - you know, I went all summer without dying (or straightening) my hair, and I felt great. Then someone said something not so nice, and I found myself back in the Clairol aisle. I happen to think grey or white hair is graceful and beautiful and real...and thank you....
The greatest thing about being forty-nine, there I said it, is that I don't give a crap what young people think about me. That has faded away with high school and good riddance to it.

I love your line about "slipping quiet(ly) into that good night of old age". Not many young whipper snappers could come up with that kind of writing. Thanks for an excellent post. I think you've touched a real nerve here.
What a great post. While I don't wear mom jeans--I prefer hipsters as the others make my butt look big (see post on sexual image)--I do listen to tons of new music thanks to my husband, who downloads whenever he's not working (and as a landscaper in the winter and in this economy, he's downloading
I'm afraid Mr. Kings of Leon is the one who is "f--king not cool" now. Too bad. I do love their music. Kind of tainted for me now. The irony, which obviously has escaped him, and escapes almost everyone else in that halcyon haze of youth, is that unlike most other types of "us" vs "them" divisions of race, sex, religious beliefs, etc. which sometimes last a lifetime, he will eventually, with a little luck and not too much drugs, sex and rock 'n roll, cross over to the other side and become one of "us" or eh, I mean "them." Just depends on your chronological perspective, I guess. Good luck with that, Caleb.
Oops--

all the time. These bands might very well think I'm an old fart, and if they do, oh well. I'm definitely not. Working with teenagers in high school is such an eye-opener. They are so sweet and try so hard, and they are living through such hell that I would NEVER relive if given the chance. Some of them have this asshole's attitude, but for most of them age disappears if you actually care about them. There was just a post about sprezzatura (was it you who posted it?)--coolness and charisma without effort. This dude is just a poser. Oh, am I too old to use that word? At 52 I'll do whatever the hell I want, so out of my way, kid.
Young kids throwing insults at the older generations is dumb but typical. It displays both narrow-mindedness and insecurity.
Musicians lucky enough to be making a living (for now) who feel they must diss potential fans just to play to their core audiences are seriously stupid.
r - you are right that they don't know; I think I sometimes mix up "modern youth" with the popular kids from high school, and think I am in the wrong if I don't measure up. I have to remember the cool that comes from knowing enough to be kind and having real perspective.

a - agreed, and thank you so much!

b - you know, I always felt attracted to cool older people, and I had completely forgotten that. If I stop trying, I may actually be one....

Dr. s - touche. There are things of infinitely greater importance.

m - I like the "uniform" idea, and what a relief it is not to have to have a uniform anymore.

a - thank you. I try to compensate with funny for what I lack in cool. :)

d - exactly.

e - that is a pretty good perspective. Besides, I was miserable at 30 and I'm pretty happy now.

c - I will check that out directly.

e - I think that is precisely the debate I was having in my comments with the Callowill defenders; if I didn't like what he said (because it was coarse and unkind) it was because I didn't "get it," or understand why it was the right thing to say. I did "get" it, I simply thought it was...coarse and unkind.

v - thank you. I don't think anyone has ever called me "righteous." I like it.

d - I'm glad you liked it, although we must credit Dylan Thomas from whom I stole most of it. You're right about the nerve - sheesh, who knew?
I love this, Ann! I always tend to get my back up when I hear others making determinations of what constitutes "cool." In this case, I was cool before he learned to stop pooping in his pants and I'm still cool now. Age has nothing to do with it. I like his music, but I wouldn't let him date my daughter (if I had one) not because I'm old and unhip but because he's an arrogant asshole.
I might want to be young again just for the better complexion - but not for the attitude - the uncertainty - the real bewilderment of those who have not yet found their way in the world. My nightmare would be one of those movies where, magically, an older person once more becomes a teenager and must experience high school all over again. Help! Get me out of here!
What those mental midgets don't get is that the ultimate coolness is being above caring what's perceived as cool.

What do you think makes Cappy so dad-gummed cool? Anyone who doesn't get that can bite me.
Here's what Lea and I and many others nearer Meryl's and Helen's age than yours know (in fact, Meryl and Helen know it too): you are only old if you insist on comparing yourself to the standards of callow young people.

In your 40's you already are who you are and will always be, good health willing, as long as you keep learning with the years, not obsessing over the weight of them.

The outer you might change (or not, if you prefer), but the inner you should be mature enough to pick your battles and young enough to fight them. Squaring off with a 20something is not a battle I would choose, but if Mick Jagger called me 'uncool' ... stand back!
I'm the same way as you: hipper now than I ever was during my all-too-serious adolescence. I missed out on the music of my generation for the Beatles and Stones, but now I try my best to keep current, critics be damned.

I wouldn't worry too much about this punk ass though. For every Caleb Followill, there is an Ashton Kutcher--whose wife Demi Moore is the exact same age as you.

I wrote a post over the summer about how older women are now deemed sexy:

http://open.salon.com/blog/travis_darby/2009/07/26/great_moments_in_milf_history

p.s. And I love my Chuck Taylors, too.
Ann, as a 38-year-old, chuck-wearing, Vampire Weekend-listening, long-haired, gray-dyeing woman with 3 tattoos, I say go get the tattoo today. Just don't get the KoL logo. It may not pass the test of time as well as we have.
Rated.
People, people, people. Unlike the rest of y'all, I assume that Ms. Nichols is capable of not only reading but also comprehending the statement attributed to Mr. Hollowill. Not to put too fine a point on it: you are being played. Or in her own words (a comment she placed on her previous blog entry)-

"f - as I said earlier, I think most of us on OS are gifted in this area...being too concrete (read: honest) is a real buzz kill in writing.

Ann Nichols".

Let us parse Mr. Hollowill's statement, using stereo-typical lawyer-speak gobbledygook just for amusement's sake. If you are not the party of the second part, then neither are you the party of the first part. The mildly amusing ad hominem insult is only applied, as a counter-attack, to one that considers him unworthy of her daughter's attentions.

If you think of Mr. Hollowill as "less than" or "not good enough": he would prefer that you not associate yourself with himself or his music. This is not a problem. If you think that Mr. Hollowill is not good enough to date your daughter- which is to say that he is in some way deficient or less than fully human, you know... not of the proper sort, then he would prefer that you take your business elsewhere. This is perfectly reasonable.

Obviously, a large portion of Mr. Hollowill's younger audience consider him good enough to date but not good enough to marry, but that is a separate issue.
Ah, the blessed ignorance of youth! That is their gift.

I love Twain's quote "Life would be infinitely happier if we could only be born at the age of eighty and gradually approach eighteen."

It would be wonderful to know what we know in our 40's in our youth. However, I am loving learning much more now than I did back then. I never want to stop. When I stop learning, I will then be old.

Great post!

Julie, 46
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good daughter - yes, "Sprezzatura" was me, too. I would love to have a husband who "downloaded" all the time; I envy you that. I totally agree with you about teenagers; it's part of what burns me about this guy assuming that they will all eat up this nasty attitude, because many of the kids I know don't feel that way at all, including my own.

Nikki - the "for now" is important. I have often watched the VH1 shows about the bands of my youth (KISS, Aerosmith, etc.) and how they have "seen the light" cleaned up their acts and gained appreciation for their listeners, and I wonder why some of the younger bands don't seem to see that longevity lies that way.

tregibbs - you're right; my 20-year-old self was pretty insufferable....

lisa - about dating your daughter, EXACTLY. If I had a daughter, she could date Marilyn Manson if he showed himself to be kind and mature. Not so much to ask, I don't think.

sixty - my complexion is actually much better now, but I totally agree that being "young again" would be a nightmare. It's wonderfulness is vastly overrated except by former prom queens who are now thinking life looks pretty ordinary.

Cappy - set a good example for that and I will follow. I need a mentor.

Sally - I think I'm done with him now; I just needed one more venting. As I've said above, I'm pretty pleased with myself as I am these days, so I am a little shocked by the idea that anyone thinks my age would limit me. I do not feel limited...except for that knee....

Travis - ah, Ashton and Demi. There's a young man who knows how to live. :) I will definitely check out your post.

aDerek - I feel all empowered, and a little tingly. :) I was really just thinking about a tasteful darma wheel on my ankle.

yuselof - while I am flattered that you cared enough to think of my earlier post, I can assure you that I am not "playing" anyone. My shock and dismay are the real deal. I could probably analyze Mr. Followill's (and it is "Followill) statement and see it as having meant something entirely different, but being a former lawyer I am trained to see language as meaning what it means...even if he really meant something Byzantine, the plain meaning of his statement is unkind, reductionist and offensive to me. I think that if one is careless enough to make such statements in plain English to an interviewer, that he deserves to take his foreseeable lumps.

julie - thank you; Mr. Clemens was totally correct. Youth is wasted on the young.
I just turned forty. And had my bit of a middle crisis. Now I don't give a flying fuck. Maybe it's because Ifinally figured out what want out of life. And I don't have to ask permission to go get it.
My students are usually lost for words when they figure out we listen to the same kind of music. And I speak fluent Twilight (they actually lent me the first book so I would read it, and then I just had to finish it, to the bitter, purple prose end). They also think my skeleton-covered fake Converse are wicked cool.

I would tell Mr. Followill that is just a sign of his growing old (just to see how much that one would freak him out). And for the record, let's see if he can out-do Mr. Jagger or Steven Tyler.

But I know how you feel. I really do. It takes more courage than I have right now not to dye my hair.

@ Robin Sneed: Shall we to tea, indeed? So funny.

And so far, unless proven as empty-minded, I like Vampire Weekend, too.
I wasn't sure about your stance for a bit but finally got it in a big way with:

"Here's the thing, though, and I think it's a real and important thing. What bothered me most about the "mom jeans" comment was not that it was age-ist (although it was). What bothered me, and what was missed by all of Mr. Followill's ardent supporters, was that his comment was viciously unkind in a way that I dislike in any context. Although less dramatic, it is the kind of flip, judge-y dismissal that I associate with racism, sexism, religious conflict, and anything else that divides groups of people into "us" and "them" and permits free-flowing potshots at "bad them.""

So true, SO TRUE. An ageist attitude - particularly toward women may I add - is something we consider "less than" bigotry. It's not REAL bigotry. It's bigotry lite.

And its offbase. I almost felt mad at you for defending so many of your life choices - fashion, etc. You don't owe anyone an explanation for your iTunes, hair color or shoe choice. It's like we (because I relate) have to explain our style. Fuck that. Fuck that shit.

I will NEVER listen to the Kings of Leon after reading this. What a douchebag. What a pompous little idiot mama's boy douchebag. He can kiss my firm, tight 43-year old ass. And lick it while he's down there.

(Sorry for over the top vulgarities. I'm pissed.)
v. seijo - I like your attitude. I did not believe that the Twilight books were Proust, but I enjoyed them tremendously (and they were written by a mom). I envy you your shoes, which I think are far cooler than mine, and as for Vampire Weekend..how could you be nasty and make music like that? I have decided that they are great people, and I will refuse to believe anything contrary.
Just read Stellaa's comment. Go Stellaa - zing!
Beth - don't apologize; I kind of liked it that someone saw what made me so angry. I never get angry. I do, actually, like their music, but it is kind of ruined for me, not only by the nasty quote but because the whole article in "Spin" was basically about how much they drink and how cool they are. It made me want to find Sufjan Stevens and hug him. The most ironic thing is that I found the whole, sorry thing because (despite my advancing age) I was really interested in reading about what was new in music. In the future, I'm sticking to "Paste."
Oh, Beth Mann!!! That's exactly why I adore you!!!!
Another 47 year old checking in. I don't like being dissed and dismissed either but there will always be some idiots (of all ages) who can't see anything beyond those superficial numbers. You know, the ones on your birth certificate, clothing labels' pay stubs... Sometimes they get me down and I start feeling kind of "dead" too. But, if I think about it, I realize that I'm a helluva lot cooler at 47 than I was at 17. It sounds as if you are, too.
eva - amen. I am cooler...I think. :)
What, you mean Billy Joel's not cool? ;)

Pitch perfect as usual. Most especially the message about the classic nature of kindness. It never goes out of style, does it?

I think sometimes about this getting old thing. I occasionally regret the way I spent my earlier years. I was the serious, earnest type, and my twenties were spent hanging out with middle-aged women (people like the current me) teaching at a business college. I was married but my husband and I knew no one in this town and spent many a night just vegging or enjoying the outdoors with each other. Now that I appear to be a fuddy-duddy, I am decidedly not. I wish my looks matched my sensibility a little better. I'd give anything for that pretty, lithe body I once had. God knows what this ole' lady could do with it now.
(aside to tomreedtoon: Your comment precisely mirrors something I once wrote to Ann Nichols in a PM about her blog title, Sprezzatura. Being cool means to demonstrate indifference. And however it came to be, that indifference is what makes children popular in schools. Acting excited or fearful or upset is the surest ticket to mockery in the world of the classroom. I never knew that "cool" originated with black jazz musicians, though. That's interesting and makes complete sense.)
tomreedtoon - as Lainey says, that is really interesting perspective, and makes perfect sense. I am certainly not "cool" in the sense of detached; if I were, I wouldn't be so rattled by this kind of nastiness. I don't think.

Lainey - thanks! I don't kid myself that I can "regain my lost youth (since I spent the real one dating gay guys and writing sad poems) but I can certainly open myself up to new things, enjoy them, let myself be...it's a real pleasure.
We are the anti-cool. And we are so cool...and free. The older I get the more I get how quickly this goes, this life, the more I want to taste everything, completely. That's cool.
And Anne I loved your exploration of this. I like the way you simply stated how this made you feel. Vulnerable, but so elegant. You will NEVER be uncool. Trust me.
And TomReed. Please write more. Love this departure point. So sobering.
I'm a cool 48 year-old woman and nobody however old they are is going to make me feel any less. I urge you if you haven't already (you probably already have) to check out the following :
Chriss Hynde of the Pretenders (born early 50's), Patti Smith, Kim Gordon of Sonic Youth (born 1953). Keeping on top of new and indie music will keep you young.

Cool has nothing to do with age. These kids will find this out too as soon as they grow up a bit.
Cheers ...
Isn't Lainey the best commenter in the WHOLE WORLD? I mean, really. She always says just the right thing, in just the right way, leaving you thinking, "wow I wish I said that!" She makes my thoughts on the same things look so much prettier than I realized they were.

Great post, Ann. I've always been a little too excited about everything to be cool. Luckily this has been an aspect of my character that many cool people find tolerable, if not cool. On the edges I hum.
Ann, hon, as we used to say back in da day--bump that commenting fool. :) I'd bet cash money he's a major Mean Guy even to kids his own age, who can never be too hip or Ugg-wearing for him. And he'll grow up to be the type of guy who won't have much of a life after hs/college because he won't be able to stay "cool. Why? Because his cool is all externally-based, not from within, where true cool comes from. As well, it's a rule of life that people who are snotty and exclusionary are never, ever, cool no matter how young they are or how many trendy bands they follow. To quote those sterling sages Digital Underground, "Do whatcha like," and if it ain't hurting anyone, who cares what morons say?
As a fellow 47 yr-old all I can say is Thank You! While I might not dress like a hip teenager, I refuse to slip into a world where I blend in at the PTA.
Eh, don't sweat it. And define your own genre. Go where you wanna go, do what you wanna do, with whomever you wanna do it with. I'm a 55 year old female, and by my own definition "cool." I don't wear mom jeans, or Chuck Taylors for that matter but cool isn't in the clothes. Have a teenaged daughter, and from what I can gather, the death of cool is trying to be it, or worrying about whether people who are, think you are, too. I'd be scared witless, though, if I worried about what some under 30 artiste thought of me, regardless of how much I liked his music.
zyskander - oh, I was there all right; just not recently.

Gail - thank you! i am nothing if not vulnerable....

Scarlett - the women you list are among my most favorite; Patti Smith is, at this very moment, my wallpaper. Best of all: she is not only incredibly cool in every possible way, but genuinely nice to her parents, her kids...a class act and an iconoclastic middle finger to The Man, all on one small woman.

Sandra - she is that. I know exactly what you mean about "getting too excited," although in some ways, honestly, I find that more appealing than the distance of "cool."

eric - that is really just incredibly thoughtful, and actually makes the whole thing seem more rational. I don't like what he did, and I probably won't, but this gives me perspective I can't have on my own. Thank you.

deering - right said. I am inclined to like you anyway, because my father went to Deering High School. It helps that you are smart and insightful, though. :)

mamoore - what, no beige, layered hair and khaki capris for you? Did I just say that?! (I was actually PTA President for two years and made it a point to wear something subversive to every meeting, just to make it all more interesting).

Synical - you're right, and maybe the fact that my own teenager finds me bearable should mean more to me than the opinion of someone who doesn't know me, and never will.
Though I am in my 60's NOBODY is going to tell me how I should feel about my clothing, hair or taste in music.

Two years ago I watched the Grammys and did not know one single winner. I was aghast that I had let my life get that stale, ordered XM-Radio, tuned it to the top 20 and set out to educate myself on today's music. I now have an impressive iPod collection of modern music (yes with Kings of Leon among others) and do not feel like an idiot for not knowing the music. If I don't like a song I don't download/buy it, just like any other commodity in the marketplace.

What do kids know? Certainly not as much as they think. Rock on.
Thanks, Buffy - I admire your approach more than I can say. i know that lots of people genuinely don't care about pop culture, which is their perfect right, but for those of us who do it can be a great infusion of inspiration and joy to find something new.
About those mom jeans. I was just discussing vintage fashion with a young friend of my daughter's (I'm 50, she's 23) when I referred to the Brooke Shields Calvin Klein ads. I was naming Calvins as the number one sexy clothing item of my teen years. Google the ad. That waistband is definitely at the belly button, or higher! As for KOL, one word shuts it all down: derivative.
Ann - ah, hair color - I have discovered that it's not so much what color the hair on the head is, as long as what's underneath the hair is happy and healthy. Clairol has been very good to me but the last time I saw a woman with fabulous silver hair, I thought how beautiful her hair was and immediately told her so... I often blurt straightforwardly exactly what I think but am trying to only do so when the thought is a kind and genuine one.
I suggest we start an OS subsection where we can share our new music finds with each other.
I agree with everything said, especially Robin. I like what I like and it's funny those younger folks who actually take the time to get to know me actually like me too.
I've been unhip at every age but my stepson played Kings of Leon for me, knowing that I would like it (I did) so maybe I'm more hip than I thought. 20th reunion huh? When I was 47 I had my 30th reunion:)
PS: thanks for the turn on to Vampire Weekend.
This is fabulous- I relate to a LOT of what you say and I'm a bit younger. It's kind of why I've never tried to be "cool." Whatever that is. I like what I like. I think Followill was rebelling against the idea of "mom authority figures" which, since I've become a mom, is funnier and funnier to me. As though we control the world. HA! I wish. There's also that weird thing that goes on when a band gets mainstream appeal. Suddenly because a lot more people like them, the fans who heard them first believe they've been betrayed. Nothing's changed, but suddenly because everyone else likes them the band "sucks" and has "sold out" and it's time to move on to the next new thing. I think the bands think this way too- there's self-loathing that goes on when they get popular. It's very weird.
trunky - I have always been immature; it just takes a younger looking form these days.

magazine - you are so right. They actually looked better that way on most people, too...all that muffin top is a problem. As for KOL, I'm curious to know more about the "derivative" idea....

Mary - I almost always think silver hair is lovely. I have always loved Heloise's hair. It's the fear of dingy salt and pepper that I run from, or the gray at the temples, rust elsewhere look.

Flora - I love that idea, and you are most welcome for the tip. What's the good of finding something new to love if you don't tell everyone else?

Roger - I am arithmetically impaired. My 7th grade son has already passed me. It will be #30, though.

Juli - that's a great explanation, and it makes sense. That does seem to be where the band's alleged brain is; that they got big fast after years of struggling, and that they are not yet able to be gracious about what it all means.
I LOVE this post and the comments. Just watch my partner at a Social Distortion show - and he's been following them since he was a teen.
Many of my Seattle friends and compatriots from the era of "grunge" (ack!) are still playing out, touring, performing, writing poetry, being raconteurs. Witness Mudhoney - they played out here a year ago and still are better than most bands are, live. They all have "day jobs", own their homes, most are married, some with kids.
I still dress in used clothing because that's what I can afford. I dye my hair because I am one of those women who looks like a washed out version of myself with grey streaks. I hang out with people younger and older than I am. I always have.
The only way I have given in to turning 40 is to wear more sensible shoes most of the time. This includes motorcycle boots.
I celebrate YOU, especially how well you speak for many of us with your excellent writing. Rock on.
It simply revealed the King of Leon dude to be both a dumbass, as he should adore anyone who might buy their music, and a turd at heart. Since the last laugh is on him, as he too will grow old and have someone dismiss him as a human being with feelings because he "miss spent" [sic] his youth, I want to feel sorry for his limited world view but ... nah ... he's a turd whose music I will NO LONGER BUY. Good job, dude on losing money! Great work!

Idiot.

And good grief. Sadly, it is not just the young who are the only ones who feel themselves relevant and useful. But they are the only ones who will most certainly feel the sting of their own remarks as time passes.
On a lighter note, I predict Followill's hairline recedes faster than you can say "Hair Club for Men" in the next six years or so. Ha HA! Take that idiot musician who needs customers and just lost one.
aim - thank you. You were one of the first people I read when I started checking out OS; it's an honor to have you here. (Well, and to have you like it!) I love Social Distortion; I very much like the idea of bands comprised of adults with adult lives...not instead of young bands, but in addition. I was just reading about a band in Montana in which most of the members are trained chefs, still working and cooking for families, friends and the people who host them on tour. That sounds like a pretty satisfying mix of art and life.

odette - he is clearly not a brain surgeon, although he will likely make more money than a brain surgeon. As for his hair, I certainly don't wish him ill, but I might smile a bit at the thought of him facing the inevitable ravages of time....
Right on to never apologizing for what you are, including your age! (Why, I'm so old, I can remember when the Supreme Court actually handed down decisions which protected the rights of *individuals* rather than *corporations*!)

Oh, and speaking of "sixteen again":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=re9fcfHMsp0