
I did, however, get numerous comments from devotees of the band, haranguing and pleading with me, in their dogged and semi-literate way, to understand context, coolness and youth, all of which had clearly escaped my gnarled clutches. After a few rounds of this, I found myself sitting at my computer, listening to Vampire Weekend and wearing Chuck Taylors, feeling that I was a complete and total fraud. It seemed that if someone came into the house and started peeling a little bit at the top of my head, the entire facade of "hip middle age" would unzip and fall away, revealing...what? A toothless crone with a cane and an AARP card tucked into her largely vacated brassiere? A retro mom with roller "set" hair and a nice tweed skirt listening to Lawrence Welk? When did I stop being as young as I feel, and start being "older," if not actually "old?"
As a sensitive type, I am keenly aware of the perils of mutton dressed as lamb. I do some things to avoid appearing dowdy - I color my gray hair, I avoid wearing orthopedic footwear and shapeless pastel sweatsuits emblazoned with screen prints of adorable kitties - but I promise that I am not poring over Teen Vogue trying to figure out whether I would look cuter in the peasant mini or the schoolgirl kilt with my new Uggs. I do not run to iTunes to download Brittney's latest, mostly because I don't particularly like her music, but I do keep an eye out for new music* from several indie bands that I enjoy. I read all of the Twilight books, and I have been known to watch "Gossip Girl," but I also read and watch far more complex offerings. I want to know about Skype, Twitter, Tumblr, sexting, and Limewire. None of this means that I secretly believe myself to be sixteen again. It means I like to know stuff, like I always did.
I also remember the need to separate from my parents (particularly my mother), and the importance of asserting that I was Young and Free and understood Gary Neuman and The Tubeway Army. I do not try to be a peer to my son or his friends; mostly I find 13-year-olds to be as repulsive as I found them when I was one of them. My interest in cutting edge culture is not about being young, it is about being alive. I am even capable of groaning audibly in a car filled with boys when that idiotic song about "Fireflies" comes on the radio, affirming to them, to my son, and to myself that I am not glomming on to their music in some desperate attempt to have a second youth, that I still have my responsible mom credentials and am not afraid to use them.
None of my choices come from some inchoate desire to be young and cool; it has been my belief, as I aged, that I was developing a good sense of who I am and what I really like, and that I was free to pick and choose from everything the world offered. Part of the "good sense" meant that I knew that I didn't look good in clothes designed and cut for teenagers, and that it would be unattractive for me to insist on shopping at Abercrombie. (Aside from the fact that the clothes are apparently designed to fit exhibitionists who eschew solid food). I am aware that "getting down" while I am chaperoning a middle school dance would have mortifying consequences, and I limit myself to the most discreet tapping of my foot behind the concession window. I know that my Chucks make me happy, but also do nothing to lengthen my legs in boot cut jeans; I rarely wear them outside the house. I have felt free, for many years, to create playlists that include Van Morrison, Beatles and Muse, to work something trendy into an outfit, to work with a cross-generational palette when creating my daily life.
Aside from the odd creaky knee or the shock of an impending 20th high school reunion, I don't feel old, and other people my age don't seem old. People older than I am, from Meryl Street to Helen Mirren seem to me to be beautiful, and without a discernible season that has passed. Why do I have to slip quietly into that good night of old age, to be seen and not heard, to stop looking for anything new, and to admit that I don't understand these newfangled songs, or the allure of a nicely looped scarf?
Yesterday, another commenter vented his spleen on my "Kings of Leon" post. His alphabetical summation of my failings concluded with this one: "[a]nd finally, 'd)': you’re only young once. Clearly you miss spent your spell in the younger years." Overlooking my young critic's inability to spell, I felt sad, and tired and old. I felt like I had only just come in from standing on the porch and yelling "hey you kids, get off of my lawn!" I felt judged, and categorized and pathetic about my most recent iTunes downloads, my long hair, and my secret desire to have a tattoo. We are "only young once," and I, a very serious and somewhat stodgy young person, had wasted that time which I would never get back. I was now consigned to some middle-aged hell in which I ranted about hip-hop "not being music," and had trouble programming my cell phone. It seemed that the only appropriate role for me at 47 was "seen and not heard," accepting of cruel and short-sighted opinions if they came from a Rock Star, and essentially, culturally, dead. I might as well put on my sweater set and pearls and complain about that Elvis and his nasty dancing. (And, by the way, why did any of these people think I had bought a copy of Spin in the first place, given my total inability to understand...anything? Did they think that I was planning to request legislation mandating separate "Rock Star Bathrooms," and required a good, current list of those prospectively banned from sharing my commode?)
Here's the thing, though, and I think it's a real and important thing. What bothered me most about the "mom jeans" comment was not that it was age-ist (although it was). What bothered me, and what was missed by all of Mr. Followill's ardent supporters, was that his comment was viciously unkind in a way that I dislike in any context. Although less dramatic, it is the kind of flip, judge-y dismissal that I associate with racism, sexism, religious conflict, and anything else that divides groups of people into "us" and "them" and permits free-flowing potshots at "bad them." I can allow youth to engage in the necessary and painful process of individuation and separation; every generation needs, in some way, to have their own revolution and to re-create the world that they will inhabit (until their own children make them redundant and take over). I cannot accept that it has to be accomplished with cheap shots and cruelty. Vitriol might more appropriately be directed at the government, at large banks, or at a troubled educational system than at middle-aged moms who seek a little happiness by listening to "new" music instead of Billy Joel.
I will not disappear. I will not apologize for my age, or my taste, or my need to speak up when I feel wronged. I am not ready to lower my standards and accept glib cruelty as "the way things are, now," or to become an inadvertent proxy for the Repressive Older Generation. I am not ready to be old, much less dead at the age of 47.
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I feel sorry for the kids who believe you're only young once; they're the ones who will feel dead at 47.
This is one of my favorite pieces of writing eh-ver. rated with much respect and admiration.
R
i do know that i was 30 years old when i discovered my inner 15 year old boy.
fuck em. no one can tell you how to live. and i say, if you want? i mean, at 70 it gets a bit tough, but at 47? you wanna dress like lamb? go ahead.
but mom jeans are so much better.
Do you realize you are succumbing to ageist stereotypes h ere?
R
I love the new Vampire Weekend. Have you heard the new Spoon?
f
Well-written post and as others are saying, let's none of us go gently into the night...(or day!)
Ann, I know what you mean, though I'm old(er), uncool, and not-hip -- and I like it that way.
I like your post, too. Rated!
The judgements fly both ways, sometimes. I remembering having a little anxiety before chaperoning my niece's sweet 16 several years ago, at a time when she was into goth. As it turned out, there were dozens of scary looking kids--saying please and thank you, and cleaning up before they left for the night. I had the advantage of conversing with them in person.
Sometimes, I think that the asynchronicity of virtual interactions leave too much room for the sort of cliched responses you describe above. The young commenters think they have defined you, when obviously, they have not. Great post.
And... btw... beautiful writing, as always.
Who cares about transitory pop culture? Teenagers? What do they know? They're children.
What's uncool is defining yourself by someone else's scale. The history of jazz is filled with folks who retained their cool cachet well into middle age and beyond and they did it by being true to themselves.
The most uncool thing in the world is being self-consciously cool. Some of the coolest people I know dress like horrors and have dumb hair, but they are so fucking smart and funny and have so wide and deep interests it makes me feel as if I've barley scratched the surface of being human.
Don't worry about what a hormonal idiot who cultivates cool mostly to get laid thinks about your jeans. They probably *are* uncool jeans. You don't deal in the currency of cool every day - you're a grown up and you don't have to. That's actually the good thing about being a grown up.
You can't achieve true cool until you can pursue your interests w/out caring what other people think. Do not go gentle, but don't go kicking and screaming either. Enjoy the ride.
One of the reason that adults can be cool in a way that adolescents never can is that they truly don't give a fuck about what people think. I assume that you are able to get beyond the fact that most of your age cohorts wouldn't appreciate your musical tastes.
So why would you really care that some band "loves you back" ???
I wouldn't bother with this if I didn't think you could do it. Get over it and turn a perceived insult into a badge of honor.
You are the consumer. You are the boss. You are the ADULT here. And people that serve you -- they don't need to love you back.
There is hope for you yet. Quityerbitchin.
Otherwise, I feel your pain (or is that just my arthritic shoulder?). Last weekend I was wandering through the local mall trying to find some clothing that would be age-appropriate for a 46-year-old male. I'd look ridiculous in clothes from Abercrombie or Hot Topic but I'm not ready for grandpa clothes from Sears. And I don't care what the demographers say, I don't have the musical or fashion tastes of a 60-year-old baby boomer.
You are postponing the inevitable. And dyed hair is a dead giveaway that you are not the age you want to be. Let it go. Let it gray, and then treat it like the most beautiful hair in the world.
Ever notice how many women, once they finally decide to stop dumping all those chemicals on their scalp, suddenly stop taking good care of their hair? It gets ugly and weird looking--not because of age but because of the neglect that comes when women don't like themselves.
Embrace the silver and gray and white. Demand a sexy haircut. Treat your hair kindly. Love it. You will be much closer to your best self, when you do.
But I do know that you are a fantastic, amazing writer and I enjoy reading your posts!!
Youth are the most powerless when it comes to buying power or any power for that matter - They are not established or have come into their own - what is cool about that? Sucks! and they know it, that's why they rebel.
But it doesn't have to be us against them. Sad that the KOL guy is so backward in his thinking but then he is the artist not the one trying to market him to teen bop masses with no money except from those MOM jean people holding the purse strings.
"Be yourself is all that you can do." - Audioslave - bet you wouldn't hear that shit from Chris Cornell...(I may be wrong but I think not - he put on a generous show in bumfuck Maine and encored his heart out for us - it was thrilling) - there is a new decal on the gym mirror where I workout that says, "In a world where you can be anything, be yourself."
Youth rebel in uniform - the uniform sold to them by slick mass media marketers - from the time I was young, I preferred NOT to be commercial and popular cool. I can tell you are your own brand of cool and a uniquely cool writer too!
Thank goodness young people are over-confident. If they knew what we know, they would kill themselves today and a generation would be lost. Let them be arrogant. We were.
Ann, I laughed so hard. This is terrific!!
"Forty--fifty--sixty--whatever--is NOT the new 20, 30 or 40.
"Forty, fifty, sixty is the NEW 40, 50, 60!!!"
Repeat til well seasoned.
p.s. caleb followill is a f*ckwit. he should be greatful that he even has fans.
As for the age thing, I run into this all the time in the classroom with students insisting that I don't understand their need to use words like "douche bag" in professional documents. They earnestly explain to me what the "new" expression means and can't grasp the concept when I tell them that I've heard, even used it before. I kind of enjoy their confusion at that point.
b - you made me laugh really, really hard. I want to see that video.
l - I know you're right, and I'm happier than I ever was when I was younger. I think, maybe, that's why it was such a shock to see myself dismissed in that way.
j - thanks so much. I really do see it getting better, aside from the creaking knee and the blood pressure meds.
r - "perhaps I will download it free so this kid won't get any of my middle age money either." I love that. Love it.
s - there's a good mantra in there, thanks!
d - i sure as hell don't wear mom jeans. Even on days when I might just appreciate the elastic.
j - so i can get that tattoo? I really want one. (Seriously).
r - oh, that was intended as irony. I don't feel that way at all; I feel that I am SUPPOSED to feel that way. Sorry I wasn't clear.
a - that is a perfect statement of my basic view of life. If we are "them" there is no division. I'm mostly anti-division.
f - you are so completely right.
f.i. - Transference? Just got it. Fantastic.
r - thank you!
r.m. - you're right. I just had a little righteous indignation thing burning there.
s - that's an excellent point. I actually live on a street that is all undergraduate rentals...and my family. We interact with 20-somethings every day, and take them at face value (and often love them) which is part of why it's shocking to be judged, "virtually" as part of an alien species. I guess I had imagined a (fake) rule that if I interacted with and tried to understand "youth," that I would not be categorized as the Ancient of Days.
l - thanks. Rock on. :)
j - yes. My kid thinks we're pretty cool. Or he's just faking so we'll buy him stuff. Hard to say.
m - keep it coming. I'm pretty much there, philosophically; this was just a little setback to my "cool."
ck - thanks; now I think I need Vans, too...Vans and a tattoo.
k - they are the coolest people who ever lived. I'd pick Thelonius Monk over Callowill any day.
s - you are right, and they aren't cool jeans (but they aren't real "mom jeans," she said defensively). Not caring what people think has always been hard for me, but if I don't get over it, how can I enjoy my wild dotage?!
w - good lord, I think I was made to read that poem 800 times. You are very funny. :) (Anyone who can mix dry humor and Thanatopsis gets huge points in my book).
n - but what do you really think? Seriously, you nailed it, and I'm pretty much over it. I am going to practice devil-may-care panache until I own it. (I'm glad you think I can do this, by the way).
s - yup. It's the 30th. Not denial, though; exceedingly poor math skills.
m - you know, I went all summer without dying (or straightening) my hair, and I felt great. Then someone said something not so nice, and I found myself back in the Clairol aisle. I happen to think grey or white hair is graceful and beautiful and real...and thank you....
I love your line about "slipping quiet(ly) into that good night of old age". Not many young whipper snappers could come up with that kind of writing. Thanks for an excellent post. I think you've touched a real nerve here.
all the time. These bands might very well think I'm an old fart, and if they do, oh well. I'm definitely not. Working with teenagers in high school is such an eye-opener. They are so sweet and try so hard, and they are living through such hell that I would NEVER relive if given the chance. Some of them have this asshole's attitude, but for most of them age disappears if you actually care about them. There was just a post about sprezzatura (was it you who posted it?)--coolness and charisma without effort. This dude is just a poser. Oh, am I too old to use that word? At 52 I'll do whatever the hell I want, so out of my way, kid.
Musicians lucky enough to be making a living (for now) who feel they must diss potential fans just to play to their core audiences are seriously stupid.
a - agreed, and thank you so much!
b - you know, I always felt attracted to cool older people, and I had completely forgotten that. If I stop trying, I may actually be one....
Dr. s - touche. There are things of infinitely greater importance.
m - I like the "uniform" idea, and what a relief it is not to have to have a uniform anymore.
a - thank you. I try to compensate with funny for what I lack in cool. :)
d - exactly.
e - that is a pretty good perspective. Besides, I was miserable at 30 and I'm pretty happy now.
c - I will check that out directly.
e - I think that is precisely the debate I was having in my comments with the Callowill defenders; if I didn't like what he said (because it was coarse and unkind) it was because I didn't "get it," or understand why it was the right thing to say. I did "get" it, I simply thought it was...coarse and unkind.
v - thank you. I don't think anyone has ever called me "righteous." I like it.
d - I'm glad you liked it, although we must credit Dylan Thomas from whom I stole most of it. You're right about the nerve - sheesh, who knew?
What do you think makes Cappy so dad-gummed cool? Anyone who doesn't get that can bite me.
In your 40's you already are who you are and will always be, good health willing, as long as you keep learning with the years, not obsessing over the weight of them.
The outer you might change (or not, if you prefer), but the inner you should be mature enough to pick your battles and young enough to fight them. Squaring off with a 20something is not a battle I would choose, but if Mick Jagger called me 'uncool' ... stand back!
I wouldn't worry too much about this punk ass though. For every Caleb Followill, there is an Ashton Kutcher--whose wife Demi Moore is the exact same age as you.
I wrote a post over the summer about how older women are now deemed sexy:
http://open.salon.com/blog/travis_darby/2009/07/26/great_moments_in_milf_history
p.s. And I love my Chuck Taylors, too.
Rated.
"f - as I said earlier, I think most of us on OS are gifted in this area...being too concrete (read: honest) is a real buzz kill in writing.
Ann Nichols".
Let us parse Mr. Hollowill's statement, using stereo-typical lawyer-speak gobbledygook just for amusement's sake. If you are not the party of the second part, then neither are you the party of the first part. The mildly amusing ad hominem insult is only applied, as a counter-attack, to one that considers him unworthy of her daughter's attentions.
If you think of Mr. Hollowill as "less than" or "not good enough": he would prefer that you not associate yourself with himself or his music. This is not a problem. If you think that Mr. Hollowill is not good enough to date your daughter- which is to say that he is in some way deficient or less than fully human, you know... not of the proper sort, then he would prefer that you take your business elsewhere. This is perfectly reasonable.
Obviously, a large portion of Mr. Hollowill's younger audience consider him good enough to date but not good enough to marry, but that is a separate issue.
I love Twain's quote "Life would be infinitely happier if we could only be born at the age of eighty and gradually approach eighteen."
It would be wonderful to know what we know in our 40's in our youth. However, I am loving learning much more now than I did back then. I never want to stop. When I stop learning, I will then be old.
Great post!
Julie, 46
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Nikki - the "for now" is important. I have often watched the VH1 shows about the bands of my youth (KISS, Aerosmith, etc.) and how they have "seen the light" cleaned up their acts and gained appreciation for their listeners, and I wonder why some of the younger bands don't seem to see that longevity lies that way.
tregibbs - you're right; my 20-year-old self was pretty insufferable....
lisa - about dating your daughter, EXACTLY. If I had a daughter, she could date Marilyn Manson if he showed himself to be kind and mature. Not so much to ask, I don't think.
sixty - my complexion is actually much better now, but I totally agree that being "young again" would be a nightmare. It's wonderfulness is vastly overrated except by former prom queens who are now thinking life looks pretty ordinary.
Cappy - set a good example for that and I will follow. I need a mentor.
Sally - I think I'm done with him now; I just needed one more venting. As I've said above, I'm pretty pleased with myself as I am these days, so I am a little shocked by the idea that anyone thinks my age would limit me. I do not feel limited...except for that knee....
Travis - ah, Ashton and Demi. There's a young man who knows how to live. :) I will definitely check out your post.
aDerek - I feel all empowered, and a little tingly. :) I was really just thinking about a tasteful darma wheel on my ankle.
yuselof - while I am flattered that you cared enough to think of my earlier post, I can assure you that I am not "playing" anyone. My shock and dismay are the real deal. I could probably analyze Mr. Followill's (and it is "Followill) statement and see it as having meant something entirely different, but being a former lawyer I am trained to see language as meaning what it means...even if he really meant something Byzantine, the plain meaning of his statement is unkind, reductionist and offensive to me. I think that if one is careless enough to make such statements in plain English to an interviewer, that he deserves to take his foreseeable lumps.
julie - thank you; Mr. Clemens was totally correct. Youth is wasted on the young.
My students are usually lost for words when they figure out we listen to the same kind of music. And I speak fluent Twilight (they actually lent me the first book so I would read it, and then I just had to finish it, to the bitter, purple prose end). They also think my skeleton-covered fake Converse are wicked cool.
I would tell Mr. Followill that is just a sign of his growing old (just to see how much that one would freak him out). And for the record, let's see if he can out-do Mr. Jagger or Steven Tyler.
But I know how you feel. I really do. It takes more courage than I have right now not to dye my hair.
@ Robin Sneed: Shall we to tea, indeed? So funny.
And so far, unless proven as empty-minded, I like Vampire Weekend, too.
"Here's the thing, though, and I think it's a real and important thing. What bothered me most about the "mom jeans" comment was not that it was age-ist (although it was). What bothered me, and what was missed by all of Mr. Followill's ardent supporters, was that his comment was viciously unkind in a way that I dislike in any context. Although less dramatic, it is the kind of flip, judge-y dismissal that I associate with racism, sexism, religious conflict, and anything else that divides groups of people into "us" and "them" and permits free-flowing potshots at "bad them.""
So true, SO TRUE. An ageist attitude - particularly toward women may I add - is something we consider "less than" bigotry. It's not REAL bigotry. It's bigotry lite.
And its offbase. I almost felt mad at you for defending so many of your life choices - fashion, etc. You don't owe anyone an explanation for your iTunes, hair color or shoe choice. It's like we (because I relate) have to explain our style. Fuck that. Fuck that shit.
I will NEVER listen to the Kings of Leon after reading this. What a douchebag. What a pompous little idiot mama's boy douchebag. He can kiss my firm, tight 43-year old ass. And lick it while he's down there.
(Sorry for over the top vulgarities. I'm pissed.)
Pitch perfect as usual. Most especially the message about the classic nature of kindness. It never goes out of style, does it?
I think sometimes about this getting old thing. I occasionally regret the way I spent my earlier years. I was the serious, earnest type, and my twenties were spent hanging out with middle-aged women (people like the current me) teaching at a business college. I was married but my husband and I knew no one in this town and spent many a night just vegging or enjoying the outdoors with each other. Now that I appear to be a fuddy-duddy, I am decidedly not. I wish my looks matched my sensibility a little better. I'd give anything for that pretty, lithe body I once had. God knows what this ole' lady could do with it now.
Lainey - thanks! I don't kid myself that I can "regain my lost youth (since I spent the real one dating gay guys and writing sad poems) but I can certainly open myself up to new things, enjoy them, let myself be...it's a real pleasure.
And Anne I loved your exploration of this. I like the way you simply stated how this made you feel. Vulnerable, but so elegant. You will NEVER be uncool. Trust me.
Chriss Hynde of the Pretenders (born early 50's), Patti Smith, Kim Gordon of Sonic Youth (born 1953). Keeping on top of new and indie music will keep you young.
Cool has nothing to do with age. These kids will find this out too as soon as they grow up a bit.
Cheers ...
Great post, Ann. I've always been a little too excited about everything to be cool. Luckily this has been an aspect of my character that many cool people find tolerable, if not cool. On the edges I hum.
Gail - thank you! i am nothing if not vulnerable....
Scarlett - the women you list are among my most favorite; Patti Smith is, at this very moment, my wallpaper. Best of all: she is not only incredibly cool in every possible way, but genuinely nice to her parents, her kids...a class act and an iconoclastic middle finger to The Man, all on one small woman.
Sandra - she is that. I know exactly what you mean about "getting too excited," although in some ways, honestly, I find that more appealing than the distance of "cool."
eric - that is really just incredibly thoughtful, and actually makes the whole thing seem more rational. I don't like what he did, and I probably won't, but this gives me perspective I can't have on my own. Thank you.
deering - right said. I am inclined to like you anyway, because my father went to Deering High School. It helps that you are smart and insightful, though. :)
mamoore - what, no beige, layered hair and khaki capris for you? Did I just say that?! (I was actually PTA President for two years and made it a point to wear something subversive to every meeting, just to make it all more interesting).
Synical - you're right, and maybe the fact that my own teenager finds me bearable should mean more to me than the opinion of someone who doesn't know me, and never will.
Two years ago I watched the Grammys and did not know one single winner. I was aghast that I had let my life get that stale, ordered XM-Radio, tuned it to the top 20 and set out to educate myself on today's music. I now have an impressive iPod collection of modern music (yes with Kings of Leon among others) and do not feel like an idiot for not knowing the music. If I don't like a song I don't download/buy it, just like any other commodity in the marketplace.
What do kids know? Certainly not as much as they think. Rock on.
I agree with everything said, especially Robin. I like what I like and it's funny those younger folks who actually take the time to get to know me actually like me too.
magazine - you are so right. They actually looked better that way on most people, too...all that muffin top is a problem. As for KOL, I'm curious to know more about the "derivative" idea....
Mary - I almost always think silver hair is lovely. I have always loved Heloise's hair. It's the fear of dingy salt and pepper that I run from, or the gray at the temples, rust elsewhere look.
Flora - I love that idea, and you are most welcome for the tip. What's the good of finding something new to love if you don't tell everyone else?
Roger - I am arithmetically impaired. My 7th grade son has already passed me. It will be #30, though.
Juli - that's a great explanation, and it makes sense. That does seem to be where the band's alleged brain is; that they got big fast after years of struggling, and that they are not yet able to be gracious about what it all means.
Many of my Seattle friends and compatriots from the era of "grunge" (ack!) are still playing out, touring, performing, writing poetry, being raconteurs. Witness Mudhoney - they played out here a year ago and still are better than most bands are, live. They all have "day jobs", own their homes, most are married, some with kids.
I still dress in used clothing because that's what I can afford. I dye my hair because I am one of those women who looks like a washed out version of myself with grey streaks. I hang out with people younger and older than I am. I always have.
The only way I have given in to turning 40 is to wear more sensible shoes most of the time. This includes motorcycle boots.
I celebrate YOU, especially how well you speak for many of us with your excellent writing. Rock on.
Idiot.
And good grief. Sadly, it is not just the young who are the only ones who feel themselves relevant and useful. But they are the only ones who will most certainly feel the sting of their own remarks as time passes.
odette - he is clearly not a brain surgeon, although he will likely make more money than a brain surgeon. As for his hair, I certainly don't wish him ill, but I might smile a bit at the thought of him facing the inevitable ravages of time....
Oh, and speaking of "sixteen again":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=re9fcfHMsp0