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MAY 15, 2009 7:36PM

Shred those G/T Test Results! A Reply to Dogmom

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baby genius
 

Dogmom, this post is for you, and all the other families going through G/T testing with their children. Don't worry if your child doesn't "qualify," and don't let the school system label your child or put them into some kind of "below average" box.  Early test results are not very reliable, and are certainly poor predictors of which children will enjoy success in school and in life.

My son tested for the gifted program before kindergarten.  High stakes stuff because it determined entry into a really great magnet school. 

There was also a boy across the street, a "biter" and a complete hellion who once hit my son across the head with a metal baseball bat.  He tested the same day. 

My son came out of that testing room, and I said, "How'd it go?" He said, "Great!  They asked me what five minus three was, and I told 'em seven!"    

What could I say but, “Excellent!”   

The hellion across the street sailed into the magnet school.  My son did not.  The hellion’s mother brought her acceptance letter to my house, saying, “We got our letter!!!  Did you get yours yet?”  (Note the “we” in this statement – lots of this testing stuff isn’t about the kids at all, but more of a prestige contest between the moms.  I know that’s not you, Dogmom, but it is true in many cases.) 

Two months after missing five minus three, my son (age 5) abruptly told us, “I think I know what 99 plus 99 is.  Is it 198?”  This was out of the blue… we weren’t even talking about math; we were on vacation and he was staring out of a city bus window.  Asked how he figured it out, he said, “I just realized that 100 + 100 is 200, and 99 is just 1 less than 100, so the answer would have to be two less than 200.” 

 

math kid
  

G/T testing means so little, especially for very young ones.  I say this as someone who taught G/T in junior high for several years.  Many educators and experts don’t even recommend G/T testing until third grade.  And most states and school districts only have the resources to accept the top 2% of the kids they test.  Think about that:  98th percentile, you qualify;  97th percentile, you don’t.  Do you think that 1 percentage point really distinguishes between those kids?   

Another injustice – kids may test sky high in one area – verbal, for instance – but low in another.  And unless they are “globally” gifted, meaning they test high in all areas, guess what?  They don’t qualify either.  Again, it’s just a resources game.  Speaking as a school board member, you’re dealing with a finite amount of money, and trying to meet a huge spectrum of needs – your athletes, your musicians, your actors, your writers, your math and science whizzes, your special needs kids, your dropout risks…  there is just no end of need.  Hence, the typical 2 percent rule.  They’ve got to cut it off somewhere. 

In a perfect world, they would not cut it off ANYWHERE.  G/T teaching techniques benefit every child.  It’s all about hands-on experiments, exploration, in-depth study, finding your interests, brainstorming, creative thinking, acceleration, making interdisciplinary connections, debating, asking good questions, building on strengths.  (It’s NOT about punishing the smart kids with extra work, which happens in far too many schools!) 

Now – about this concern of children testing poorly – I would also like to share that my daughter wrote every letter and number backward all the way through kindergarten.  I think you could have read her writing in a mirror.  We went in for some expensive testing, and they determined that she definitely had some marked learning “deficits,” which could be remedied for around $10,000.  I’ll never forget my shock when they gave me test results showing that her reading skills were in the bottom 12% of the nation.   

reading writing girl
 

We waited it out.  My daughter loved for me to read to her and asked lots of questions and I just somehow didn’t feel like there was a huge problem.  Sure enough, she started forming her letters and numbers the correct way in first grade, without the $10,000 intervention.   She’s now in eighth grade, above average in math, and in every honors and gifted course available for reading/writing.  Her early test scores were a predictor of – nothing at all! 

Parents, please don't put too much stock in IQ testing results, especially for very young kids.  If you’re worried deep down that there might be a problem, go somewhere reputable for testing – in my state, the Shriners Hospital does a wonderful complete battery free of charge.  They’re absolutely tops, and they’re not doing it to promote some kind of “intervention;” they’re just trying to help kids.  (Yes – those same Shriners in the funny hats and little bitty cars you always see in the parades – their hospitals really offer some amazing services for children, all free of charge.) 

shriners
 

Dogmom, I wish I knew the right words to take your stress away!  As I said in my comments, if I could, I’d have you over immediately for a glass of Chardonnay and some commiseration – I’ve been there.  But since we know each other only through OS, I’ll just advise you to have fun with your child this summer – finger paint, collect bugs, read in the library, play counting games, swim, play in the mud, swing, stare at the clouds and stars.  Ask him why he thinks ice cream melts.  Ask him why he thinks his body floats in the water when he takes a deep breath.  Ask him why he thinks the sky is blue and grass is green.  There are no “right” answers to these questions!   

swinging child
 

I taught for years, and can tell you from honest experience that there are many different kinds of gifts, most of which don’t begin to show up on an intelligence test.   And because of your love and confidence, you – Dogmom – you will be one of your son’s biggest gifts of all!

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great advice, annette!
excellent advice--those tests are so stupid--imagine trying to put a person in a box based on the first few years of his or her life.
your post is revealing and supports my views on some of today's 'testing' processes.

Great Post!
peece,
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Great advice. In my experience many efforts to have primary grade level kids tested for G/T is for the "benefit" of parental bragging rights--like your neighbor--more than wanting to stimulate the kid. To quote Plato "nature wants children to be children first" (e.g. why is the sky blue and the grass green).
At that age the important questions are: is the kid happy? does he/she socialize well? So what if the kid eats paste.
My son's 1st grade teacher demoralized him with public criticism because his arithmetic papers were "messy" even though all answers were correct. He withdrew and quit trying--as a 1st grader!! He's a kid, dammit, he's supposed to be "messy"!
DogMom, just love him, interact with him and know that he'll be just fine.
Thanks for this wonderful post, Anette. And thanks for the larger font for those of us in bifocals.
Thanks for reading everyone - and you bet about the font, Walter. I've been having trouble with everyone's small fonts myself!

Very sorry about what that teacher did to your son. Hopefully he'll come across another teacher who will relight his fire. I think handwriting is rapidly becoming a pretty unimportant skill. And first graders never forget being criticized in front of their peers. This teacher was in the wrong.
Excellent post! "l just advise you to have fun with your child this summer – finger paint, collect bugs, read in the library, play counting games, swim, play in the mud, swing, stare at the clouds and stars. " This is exactly what it is all about!
Annette - thank you for this post. Below is my repsonse to dogmom's post.

"This is a very timely post for me - I had written one the other night about whether to have our 10 year old IQ tested and then took it down because I have really strong feelings about why I don't want him to do it and decided I wasn't ready to put it up for a vote. But, his school experience has been different than your son's in many ways and it makes me sorry for the way your school has chosen to deal with potential G/T kids. Our gifted students are not given any kind of special test but are pulled out for extra classes based on their classroom performace in combination with their standardized tests scores - though in K -2nd grade they have not taken a standardized test yet so it is based just on classroom work.. No separating the gifted from the other students except in their pull out classes. I love it and know how very lucky my children are to be able to participate. I am sorry for the situation you find yourself in but please don't give up, don't think it is the end of your son's career as an exceptional child. School is only one part of the equation. That being said, despite pressure from some teachers who are curious and convonced he will test high, we are still set on not IQ testing our son because we never want him judged by a single number."

Glad to have your words of wisdom for dogmom and also to add to my own thoughts.
I like the way our school is heading, especially in the upper grades. First, we don't begin assessments until 3rd grade - for the lower grades, the G/T teacher travels to the classroom and includes all children in those types of activities. Second, inclusion in G/T programs is based on a matrix - the intelligence test score is only one part. The others are a creativity assessment, standardized test scores, teacher recommendations, parent observations, and a classroom portfolio of student work. Finally, in the upper grades, we offer G/T electives and special sections of science and English, which allows us to get away from the 2 percent or "globally" gifted distinctions.
Anette,
Parenthetically, my son is now 27. He never had the world's greatest grades but he is very well educated. He's highly articulate and literate, reads voraciously, thinks analytically and critically about the things he reads and, most importantly, is a terrific father to my year and half old grand daughter. It doesn't get any better than that. (Plus he has vowed to complete his degree as soon as his wife completes her PHD next year--but that's another story altogether).
Well, I need to get over and read some bios before I post comments! That makes me laugh, Walter, but I think it also points out how searing those teacher comments can be when we're still remembering them all these years later!
I agree. We've had a similar experience with our son - he initially had a number of "problems" academically, but by 4th grade seemed to outgrow most of them. Magically. Without intervention. And the testing is utter crap. In my opinion.
Here's a different take on testing. A teacher friend told me this story. There was a boy in her early elementary school class who the teaching team knew was bright and had a difficult home life. He had problems in school.

A particular test was administered, I don't remember what it was or why but good performance would lead to better things academically. It was multiple choice, 3 answer choices per question. The boy took the test and got every single answer wrong. The teachers knew he could do better so had him re-take the test. Once again, he got every single answer wrong without once repeating a wrong answer from the previous testing.

Now, to me, that kid demonstrated he knew all the right answers so got a perfect score. I don't remember how his teachers handled it but they did conclude that he was trying to stay with the supportive team of teachers he had.
nerd, you're absolutely right - that was a brilliant kid with some amazing survival skills.
"In a perfect world, they would not cut it off ANYWHERE. G/T teaching techniques benefit every child. It’s all about hands-on experiments, exploration, in-depth study, finding your interests, brainstorming, creative thinking, acceleration, making interdisciplinary connections, debating, asking good questions, building on strengths. (It’s NOT about punishing the smart kids with extra work, which happens in far too many schools!) "

A+ for you annette!!! Perfectly said all around. Perfectly.

I'm a special educator, director of our district's AIG program (among other things) have two kids of my own who survived public school and you have said it well!!!

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grif, always love hearing from you, and it makes me very happy to know you are working with kids. I bet you are an exceptional teacher.
What a wonderful post, full of good advise from the voice of experience. You are an excellent resource on this subject of testing for giftedness. Thanks, Annette.
Wonderful story. Puts testing in perspective. We all need persepective.
Wonderful story. Puts testing in perspective. We all need persepective.
annette, thank you so much for this post. I really appreciate the time you took to write it, and it was honestly a very caring, helpful post. It enabled me to stop freaking out quite so much. I'm still upset, but mainly because I'm afraid my son will figure out at some point what G&T stands for, what it means, and then freak out because he's not there. He won't learn it from me.

Anyway, you had so many helpful points, and I'm going to be rereading your post a few more times to make sure I don't miss anything. Thanks!
Amen and amen!!!! Kids are tested--and labeled--way too early.
This was an interesting article and gave much food for thought.