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JULY 5, 2009 1:26PM

True Adventures in Health Insurance-with Do-It-Yourself IVs!

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Nobelprize.org MRI picture
 

My husband scheduled his own MRI. 

He became ill in Orlando, developing excruciating pain on the left side of his back, across the shoulder into the left side of his chest, and down his left arm, with his hand going almost completely numb.  

He has had multiple sclerosis for 14 years now, and you’ll have to forgive him taking matters into his own hands a bit, but we’ve been around the medical block a time or two, and he could anticipate the need for three appointments: his neurologist (in case the problem was a new MS lesion), a back doctor (in case the problem was a ruptured disc), and an MRI in either case. 

So he scheduled his own MRI.  Crazy, I know, to think you can have your own thoughts about the medical procedures you might need, but he called the MRI facility all by himself, and when asked the name of his physician, he said the name of the back doctor, a doctor referred to us, one we had never before seen.  For clarity’s sake, I’ll call him Dr. New. 

I’ve learned an important life lesson this week.  Insurance companies really, really don’t like you to schedule your own MRI. 

When we showed up for our doctor’s appointment on Monday, my husband barely able to talk through the pain, our long-time neurologist went into immediate action, ordering an EKG (because the pain was on the left side) and two MRIs.  And he did not want the MRIs from the clinic where my husband had made his appointment.  He wanted them taken at the hospital where he offices, as that facility uploads the images for immediate diagnosis.   

So I called and canceled the appointment with Dr. New and with the first MRI facility.   

Our neurologist then tried to schedule the MRIs at the hospital.   

And our insurance company refused the order. 

“There has already been an MRI ordered for this patient,” a representative told our nurse. 

I called our insurance company and politely and contritely explained our mistake to a representative named Marcia.  “My husband placed the first MRI order,” I said.   

“Your husband placed the order?”  Marcia said.  “How could he do that?  He can’t place his own order.” 

“I’m truly sorry; I know he shouldn’t have,” I replied.  “I’ve already called to cancel it.”  

“You may have canceled it at the MRI office,” Marci shot back, “but you can’t cancel it with US. Only a doctor’s office can cancel that order.  That’s the only way the computer will take it.” 

“Okay, but the lady in Dr. New's office says they never PLACED the MRI order, so they’re not going to waste their time canceling it,” I said. 

“Well, they’re gonna have to cancel it,” Marcia said.  “Otherwise, your husband isn’t going to be having an MRI this week.” 

I apologized profusely for our mistake in taking medical matters into our own hands and scheduling our own procedure.  “My husband is in really terrible pain,” I said.  “Couldn’t you please find it in your heart to just delete that first order?” 

“It’s the computer,” Marcia said.  “It won’t let us make any changes unless it comes from a doctor’s office, with a special code.  No one here has the power to override the system.  Not me, not the managers, not even the president of the company.  No one.” 

(Remember the all-powerful computer in the Terminator movies that becomes self aware and destroys the world? That computer currently runs the show at a prominent national insurance company I’ll call Ick-Na.  You heard it here first.) 

In the end, I had to (tearfully) convince a kind soul in Dr. New’s office to cancel an MRI that they had never ordered for a patient they had never seen.    

Again we tried to schedule the two MRIs our doctor ordered. 

Again we were turned down.  A new insurance representative named Joseph told our doctor’s office they wouldn’t authorize two MRIs. 

“Why do you feel you need both procedures?” Joseph asked. 

“Because he’s experiencing intense pain in both regions,” our nurse said. 

“Well, I guess you’re going to have to choose which region is most important, because you can only have one MRI, not two.” 

Finally, Joseph whispered a secret:  “If you go to the ER, and they order the MRIs, the insurance company will approve them because they’ll be deemed an emergency.”   

The emergency loophole – spends thousands more, and you’ll get the tests you want. 

Over the course of several conversations with Marcia and Joseph, I had the opportunity to ask about their medical backgrounds (none), and their location (Ohio, far away from medical events occurring here in Texas).  I really wanted to ask them about the details of their incentive plans, or hear their company’s mission statement (“You don’t need a medical degree to eliminate waste!”  or  “Making patients so frustrated, they almost forget they’re sick!”). 

But I would never anger our insurance company, because once they’re done obstructing the diagnostic process, they’re in position to obstruct the treatment process.  Which of course they proceeded to do. 

Our doctor prescribed IV steroids, but the nursing service he requested, one conveniently located near our home, was refused – too expensive.  I guess it was deemed the Nordstrom’s of nursing services.  Our insurance company wants us to use a different nursing service, perhaps more of the Dollar Store variety, located an hour from our home, and also one that doesn’t have an opening until Wednesday of next week. 

I tried asking (begging) yet another representative if we could pay the price difference between the company our doctor chose and the company they preferred.  No luck.  Computer won’t allow it, and no one can override the computer.  Nasa can’t override the computer.  President Obama can’t override the computer. 

These are the frustrations and gripes of a wife watching her husband soldier through more pain than I’ve seen him endure in our 21-year marriage.  I realize we are luckier than most.  Our insurance company, compared to many, is okay.  They obstruct, but they usually pay.  We are allowed to continue with our doctor, a warm and caring man who also happens to be one of the world’s best-known MS research physicians.    

We are fortunate.  There are people who can’t see the doctors they want, people being refused life-saving treatments, people who’ve lost their insurance or never could afford it at all.   

So this brings me to my dilemma.  Wakingupslowly wants us to contact our congressperson this week about insurance reform.  I’d like to get involved, but what should I say?  What plan will fix it so that office workers in Ohio aren’t second-guessing our doctor in Texas?  What plan will end the catastrophic mismatch between people who are desperately ill and people who are desperately interested in saving money?  What plan will reach the underinsured and the uninsured, the ones who can’t get treatment at all? 

If someone would just walk me through it, I would lobby until I had no breath left.

 

peace love cure
 

 

Photos courtesy www.nobelprize.org, sparky/msnicole27 at www.photobucket.com, and www.dreamstime.com.

 

 

UPDATE:  Remember that commercial where the doctor is giving surgery instructions over the phone, and the guy is sitting at his table holding a kitchen knife and saying, “Shouldn’t you be doing this?” 

We are giving our own IVs!  The nurse just came out, inserted the port, and instructed us in all of the procedures:  sterilizing the –  I don’t know what to call it – the tiny screw-top spout thingie, flushing the line with saline (making sure to get rid of that air bubble first), sterilizing again, attaching the steroid pump, sterilizing again, flushing with saline, and flushing with heparin. 

The nurse is available by phone if we need her to walk us through it.  Or, if we really have a problem, they’ll send her back out to do the procedure for us, but, “Really, this is so easy, anyone can do it.” 

Do-it-yourself IVs… interesting and a bit surreal.

 

I.V. Drip
  

 

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This is what you should say when you contact your congressperson. This post. Edit it or augment it if you like, but send it.
I wish I had an answer, but I'd ask wakingupslowly too. She knows things. And, as CaV said, this post.

I felt breathless when I read this, which may be how you've been feeling dealing with these idiots. Blessings, relief, and peace, annette, to you and yours - I'm wishing them your way.
I am so sorry - once you find out what needs to be done (I am also still unsure what the best health care solution is) please PM me or update this post and let me know and I will happily contact my congress-people as well.
consonantsandvowels, that's an interesting idea and I may do it, but I'm wondering if it would ever get read as sometimes bills don't even get read before people vote on them!

I appreciate your kind thoughts Owl and ma. We have finally been persistent enough that supposedly, they will begin IV treatments today. Still waiting on that person to call, though!
This is the kind of thing that scares the living crap out of me.

Yeah, we like our insurance just fine, but neither one of us has been sick. God forbid that should ever happen.

So sorry you're having to go through this, Annette, and I hope you can find some answers.
Who expects good things when you combine the profit motive with healthcare?

Only Americans.
I agree.. Copy and paste this post and email it to your congressperson.
This is chilling. You have the ability to navigate the maze and the persistence to see it through, but so many people don't, and they'll just give up. The worst of it is that people have to play this game when they're sick! I am frankly worried.
Now you know what I have to deal with every freakin' day of the year. Conflicts with insurance companies never cease. Best of luck to you and your husband. I truly sympathize with your plight.
Another in the endless litanies of why I laugh out loud when people talk about "govt bureaucracy" as if corporations don't have bureaucracies. This is also another symptom of the "bigger is better" delusion that has now led us to corporations that are "too big to fail".

Call centers, phone trees, etc, etc, are all billed as cost-saving measures designed to benefit customers, when they are instead, empire-building tools that benefit the managers who oversee them.

I could go on and on here, but it's obvious you are all too aware of the problem, and unfortunately going to a govt run healthcare system is not likely to change this. But forcing another 50 million people to become victims of insurance companies is only going to make things worse. Stay tuned.
Jeanette, you can get a little sick; just don’t come down with something expensive to diagnose or treat!

Harry, funny and apt.

Thanks for reading and commenting Mr. Mustard – especially in the midst of all the writing you’re doing today! You’ve been a bright spot.

HB – I’m worried too, and the saga continues… the pharmacy just turned down his prescribed medicine!

Steve – waking up slowly asked us to ask our doctors what THEY thought about insurance reform. Have time to create a post on it? I’d be very interested in your perspective.

Tom, I’m definitely staying tuned. And you’re so right about the call centers. It got so bad that I ended up yelling at the recording: “If my call was really important to you, you’d ANSWER IT!!!”
Hi, Annette,

First, I am so sorry - for your husband's pain, for your worry, and for all of the terrible hassle you've been through. I hope the steroids help and that he is receiving them by now.

I agree with other commenters that this post itself should be sent to your congressional delegation. If you PM me with your location, I'm happy to help figure out which of your reps are on what committees and who may make the most impact.

I know that some of the bills being considered have some insurance reform language in them, though I admit that hasn't been my focus of research. I think HCAN is doing some of that, but I'll have to double check.

If you PM me with your location, I'll look into who may be good advocates in your state/area who may use your story, too.

I have to run now, but will send some more info a little later tonight.

I really hope things are better there for you two.
As always, if you think this is bad, do not support national healthcare. It is 10 times worse than this. Please let us know the results of your husbands test.
How terrible for you and your husband, annette. I'd share my own stories, but they're painful to remember. I wish you the best in getting through it all.
Annette, another thought... perhaps submit this, in a version with which you feel comfortable, to your paper as an op-ed. Or, send it in an email to the health reporter and see if she/he would do a series on consumers facing these issues.

Lastly, most states have an insurance commissioner's office. I suggest you send this to that office, too, especially if they have a consumer advocate.

Again - please do PM me your location, and I'll work on some contacts for you there.

I know you're very busy right now, so no rush to respond. I hope hope hope the steroids started today and that your husband is feeling some relief.

Do take care.
Thanks Rob, Deborah, and Wakingupslowly… we have the steroids now, and even if we are administering them ourselves, our nurse seems to have been right, it is a fairly straightforward procedure. (Though I’m wondering if next time I’m in the hospital, I can just ask the nurse to leave the IV stuff with me; I can do it myself!)

I probably shouldn’t write when I’m frustrated because I come off uncharacteristically cynical. I’m trying to keep a good thought that the steroids will help; they always have in the past. Thank you so much for the kind words; I appreciate this place. And I will PM you, Waking.
Annette---Geez I wish I knew the answer. And if I were you I'd fear retaliation too.

But I think these giant institution sof evil have no real personal stake in you, me or anyone else. I think the evil comes from the giant ameba like blob of the institution ---not a person. When they talk to us on the phone---they don't see us as people. They see us as things that fall outside of their rules. They are systems of destruction and waste. Not people.

You have a powerful tool in this story. I'd hold it up and start swinging. Wherever you can hake a mark. And most of all---wherever you feel best about brandishing this.

Prayers for your family.

Roger
Roger, you're awesome, thanks as always. Looking forward to reading the new posts from everyone tomorrow - whether it's educating us or touching a heart or bringing a laugh or two, you do make a difference, you know!
My stomach hurts for you, and for the insanity of the insurance companies. I have no advice. Blessings.
And there are still people whining about government interference in medical decisions if we go to a single-payer system. Are you kidding me?
And do you actually believe that things will be that much different if teh governmenet gets involved in your healthcare?
OH!! bad spelling day. Sorry.
I live in Orlando and had at-home nursing care with IVs after each session of chemo. They wanted me to clean my own IVs as well. I was alone on the weekends after these treatments and my port was 2 inches from my heart. No way was I gonna do my own IVs. I fell asleep once during the four hour hydration treatment and the bag had emptied making suction go the other way. I woke up screaming watching blood literally being sucked from my body. I called an ambulance because the nurses could not get back to me for several hours.

I had the Dollar Store nurses as well. Talk to your doctor or call the hospital to see if they have a patient representative. I did not give myself my own IVs and I was not pleasant to insurance company reps or nurses who insisted that I do so (to save them time and money). It was a rough two week fight but I won.

I am betting you have the same insurance company I did. PM me and I will confirm. You don't have to settle for cut rate treatment and quite honestly that is what they wanted to give me. The doctor and hospital fought for me and I became the queen bitch patient of all time. But after awhile they stopped trying to cut corners with my treatment.

Many people have read this blog already. Do NOT keep quiet about what people say. Get their names and write down exactly what they say and tell them you are posting it for hundreds to read. If you have to shame them into being decent then shame them.

Do NOT play nice.
If you have not yet changed the IV get on the phone and tell that nurse to get back to your house now or you will print her name and the name of her company.

I'm not kidding.

She will come back.
Thanks Ash – it’s a better day today I think.

NotWhoYou’dExpect and Blackflon – I don’t know what to think. I’m really hoping someone knowledgeable will clearly outline the options in front of us, with all the pros and cons. I’ve been sitting in waiting rooms devoting considerable thought to possible solutions, and I can think of serious problems with every single one. Most websites seem to fight hard for their own political position rather than presenting a balanced perspective. (And the only thing I’m getting from the news these days is non-stop MJ.)

Dorinda – your experience with the hydration treatment is a nightmare. My God. And I am taking such grim satisfaction that you prevailed in your fight. I will PM you. And you have definitely strengthened my backbone today, so thank you.
I missed this great (sad also) new post.
I'll lend you (your BIO) a bee hive tool.
It's actually a putty knife. It pulls nails.
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Never lend out a good tool, book, brush
or,
you may never see your toothbrush again
best of luck.
You vaccinate?
Use honeybee!
use mead in IV!
Dear Annette, you and your husband are in my prayers. I still find it so horrifying that the US has such a dreadful healthcare system. Our govrnment's policy has been to obdurately copy your system here, pushing for more and more investment in private healthcare and undermining the public system. It's an up-side to the recession that these planned major investments in a parallel private hospital system are being rescinded. The pressure from corporate healthcare and pharmaceuticals persists, waiting to exploit any chink in our public health-expenditure policy but the money is no longer there. I hope your husband's current condition improves soon.
It's usually a good idea to do as much for yourself as you can. So I wouldn't sweat it about do-it-yourself IV's. After all, who cares more about your husband than you and he?

I hope your husband is feeling better. My thoughts are with you.