JUNE 24, 2009 1:15PM

Keyboards and Ancient Runes

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After much education, research and deliberation among me, myself and I......
I have determined that we don't know shit.

We might think we know quite a lot of shit but really we don't. I guess it comes down to how do you know you know what you think you know?

For instance; if in 5000 years from now, or however long it takes for the small details of our lifestyle to become lost, assuming the earth and human life still exists at that point in time, and artifacts from our current day and time were dug up and among the artifacts was a keyboard. Not a typewriter, not a computer nor a monitor, but a keyboard. Wouldn't it stand to reason that the first letter in our alphabet was "Q"? And if Q was the first letter of our alphabet, then what am I saying to you now? Probably not what you or I think I am saying, that's for sure.

If our alphabet went the way of a keyboard layout, then the word "cat" would actually be "eqz."

Why is a keyboard laid out that way? I have been told it was because in the making of the typewriter, if the keys were in alphabetical order, based on the probability of certain letters typically following other certain letters, the striking keys would get stuck together constantly. I would think a helluva a lot of thinking had to go into this non stick design which would amount to nothing short of Typewriter Science. Typewriter Science, I would think, would be such an enormous undertaking and knowledge of all words in a particular language and the probability of what letters most often come before and after others, etc that in our present time it would be the work of a computer to figure out. But since there were no computers - not like there are these days - it was the work of a human brain.

It would be too inconvenient, now that we use keyboards that do not have striking keys, to put the keyboard in the more logical alphabetical order, because then everyone who already knows how to type would be reduced to the hunt and peck method of typing...... welcome to my world.

The above explanation sounds pretty reasonable, but what about all those "other" languages? The ones that use letters that look like ours, but they are of a different language? What if our keyboard is laid out according to their alphabet and it was just a practical joke by someone who is too smart for their own good. Someone whose jokes are almost never funny to anyone except themselves. Then when people and companies started paying big bucks for this practical joke of a communication/information machine, they just fabricated a story that seemed logical enough but they figured there was likely no one with so much time, or monkeys, on their runehands to test out the theory of probability of the typewriter. So in some probability, at least in my mind, there is a chance that we are typing in ancient Runes.

Which brings up another subject.

What if I want to type in Egyptian hieroglyphics? Can I get a keyboard for that? Would it be laid out is some equivalent translation to QWERTYUIOPASDFGHJKLZXCVBNM? Or would it have it's own archaic layout? Maybe it would be logically designed in first to last order.

 

heiro
(Translation: Hark! hear the boat coming slow as a turtle. Let us meet them and take them into our tepee. No shit.)

 

Why do we not have keyboards of ancient characters that would allow people to type in ancient languages and keep what knowledge we do have, or think we have, of the past alive?

Hebrew_keyboard_layout


One cool thing would be a setting on our computers where we select what language we want all input to be, and using our regular (in my case, English) keyboard, I just type what I want to say and it is automatically and accurately translated - then once the final punctuation on a sentence has been typed it would then be reformatted and proper word substitutions inserted to make it read like I knew, or at least thought I knew, what I was talking about.

 See this is what happens when I am left to twiddle my thumbs for 3 hours (Noah had to retake the CRCT test today at a not nearby school so I had to wait it out). I had a latte, read the first chapter of a book on the coffee shop counter, read some more of Scar Tissue, hung out in my car, cranked the radio with my hand in the rock sign & raised high with a mock thrash - while I sat in the elementary school parking lot. Sat in the car with the windows up to see how long I could take it and to test if even the slightest movement in the car's hotness would make me sweat. It did. Stared into space. Thought and thought and thought. Finally I opened the car door and read a little more of Scar Tissue when a teacher approached and asked me what the hell I was doing there - only nicer. He was finished! On the way home I jumped on a train (of thought) and ended up in an unplanned destination (wondering about keyboards, ancient civilizations and why we think we're so damed smart when we really don't know jack squat - in the whole how much there is to know vs. what we actually know (or think we know) realm of possibilities. I had some thoughts about Dinosaurs, bicycles and wal-mart, too, but enough's enough, right?

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You can do this. You can download rune and glyph fonts. Then make stickers or a skin for your keyboard that maps to the font.

I first saw this in the early 90's.

Cheers!
Yes and why not? I don't think your mind is flawed at all. I think you're on to something big!
I like the way you think, AS!
I like the way you think, AS!
Based upon the artifacts from the Qwertian civilization, we know that they had mastered both the typewriter and the dial telephone. Beyond these facts, almost nothing is known about them. Some researchers speculate they may have developed a film-based camera, but we won't get our prints back from the drugstore for another three weeks.
Funny post. Mark Twain would love it: he invested and lost his fortune to the Paige Compositor ( a typesetting machine--created to replace the human typesetter of a printing press with a mechanical arm).
It looks like the QWERTY keyboard was developed to help typists type faster and nothing since invented (for English typists) has replaced the original. http://home.earthlink.net/~dcrehr/whyqwert.html
I suddenly have a headache.
There were 3-4 popular "no stick" strategies to typewriters. The only other one to really survive is DVORAK (sp?) From what I have seen written, the Qwerty people also developed touch typing, so they crushed everyone with a 1-2 punch to professional typing.

Windows will let you use Dvorak (it is great for non-touch typists and people who type with 1 hand).. and Dvorak left /right (all the letters are on 1 side of the keyboard, numbers on the other) form one of the menus to use on all Windows apps... Dvorak places commonly used keys together.. all vowels are in a row. All common consonants are together. Easier to type with if you can't touch-type, but not alphabetical.

... but it is hard to find keyboards that have keytops that are easily switched (on most keyboards, the different rows of keys actually are slightly different.

I have a couple of old hardware switched models (chip in the keyboard switches the key input before it goes down the wire to the computer). Northgate Omnikey is the brand/model.

There are a few easily non-programmable new keyboards out there that have blank caps. The only one i can remember off hand is "Das keyboard" (real product).

The Rolls Royce of programmable keyboards is the Optimus Maximus Keyboard http://www.artlebedev.com/everything/optimus/ Tt has both programmable keys, AND the keys are little LED screens so the keycaps can be programmed from the computer to show anything you want. If you Hit (shift) all the letters will switch to caps on the keys). When using specific programs you can set it to show special use stuff (hold down CTRL and the X key will change to "cut" and the P key will turn to "paste" etc. You can put anything you want on the keycaps, and program each key to input whatever you want. it does cost a fortune though.

There aren't any keyboards that translate, but there are software packages out there that can do a passable job (not bablefish).

Overall, we aren't too far off.
(Hieroglyphic Translation: Hark! hear the boat coming slow as a turtle. Let us meet them and take them into our tepee. No shit.)
This is too funny! And all the computer experts weigh in with their expertise, which I didn't even know existed! I love it!
Hmm. Fascinating. And I wonder why I never saw the ‘tepee’ and ‘no shit’ hieroglyphs in my ancient Egyptian languages seminars...?
I love reading your posts!!!
Okay Apache, I'm sitting here waiting for my cuneiform keyboard.
There are a half dozen keys on my keyboard I never even use. Anymore, considering every time I use the computer it locks up for five minutes I am afraid to touch them.
Ocularnervosa - You always crack me up!

David decker - that b/c you were looking for a pyramid - the pyramid is *really* a tepee and the no shit is the great golden oxen of uh, the land of dust and flies.

lifehalflived - :-D you make me happy

Greg Correll - thanks for the tip - are these fonts Mac friendly? B/c I'd like my next post to be in runes or glyphs.

Beth - you're just buttering me up... you really think so? Cool.

Owl - see what happens when I am left to twiddle my thumbs for 3 hours (Noah had to retake the CRCT test today) I had a latte, the first chapter of a book on the coffee shop counter, read some more of Scar Tissue, hung out in my car, cranked the radio with my hand in the rock sign & raise high with a mock thrash - while I sat in the elementary school parking lot. Sat in the car with the windows up to see how long I could take it and to test if even the slightest movement in the car hotness would make me sweat. It did. Stared into space. Thought and thought and thought. Finally open the car door and read a little more of Scar Tissue when a teacher approached and asked me what the hell I was doing there - only nicer. He was finished!

Gordon - HA! let me know what develops from that film - could be very interesting

Mustard - I love the mind and musings of Mr. Twain
I've used babblefish for translations, but it is one word or phrase at a time. Good thing I've never needed to send an urgent message in heiroglyphics. Too funny.
Oh, the QWERTY. I'm pretty sure there were several attempts by different early manufacturers at letter arrangements, but the current one was more trial and error. Typists could type faster than the keys would come down, so the most common letters, like the 'A' were put under the little finger or off the main finger line, which actually increased speed and decreased the need to fix broken typewriters so often. Odd bit of history.

And, a funny post! Rated
Gee, I read the hieroglyphs as : "I hear that he was three sheets to the wind and turned turtle, the back-stabber. Next time I see him, I'll flail him, no shit".
If Jorge Luis Borges was still alive he would have been the patron saint of the collection I always wanted to put together: “The Unforgettable History of Things Not Worth Knowing”. Now you have produced the first exhibit for the collection: the score is "fifteen-love". I need a week to hit the ball back. Will let your know… In the meantime, let’s put this on PopSmiley’s list (It is very apt: nobody reads that list :-)
Came back for the update. Amazing how our minds will wander the universe when our hands are unoccupied. We humans might be the most fidgety group on the planet. Hell we can't even sleep without dreaming! That's why it is so very important to find the time to sit and be still so we can regain our balance with nature once in a while.
Fun post. The mystics...or somebody wise like that...have said, "The more you learn the less you know." Quite humbling really. Rated
I like the part where you sit in the closed-up car and wait to see how long it takes to sweat.

I've done that.

Boredom is the bane of our existence.
I bet if you had a hieroglyphic email address you'd never get junk mail or spammed
There are actually some funky languages around today. Ever take a look at the Cyrillic letters that make up Russian. Reading that stuff is an art, unless it's your first language. I hear you loud and clear, though.
Is there anything better than to be lost in thought only to realize that many moments have just passed us by... the wonderful monotony... cause and affect... remedy for thought is someone's hieroglyphic ... reading the perpetrator of all this... You have a wonderful gift, expression of contradictions... the mind is the last frontier, yours is well worth a very long look.
Apache, you should sit in the sun in an closed car and let the heat bake you more often. You are really funny when delirious.

Between the humor there is a lot of truth to it. Archeologists most often find what we would call the "city dump" and most of their great finds come from there. From that they figure out what a civilization was like. Go figure. So someday someone will excavate our dumps and learn that the entire population loved plastic and kitsch. What a revelation!

Monte
The Chinese use about 100 character keyboards with pictures on them. I've done international technical support so I've seen files like Access databases where the fields had pictograms in them instead of letters.
Funny post. Mark Twain would love it: he invested and lost his fortune to the Paige Compositor ( a typesetting machine--created to replace the human typesetter of a printing press with a mechanical arm) Technology Articles.