Ardee

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DECEMBER 7, 2009 3:12PM

It costs more to be poor

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 During the recession of the early 90s, when I was out of a job, rolling pennies to eat and collection agents were hounding me to get a job at Burger King to pay them their 30% interest rates, I realized that it costs more to be poor.  If you can't pay a bill, you get charged more money, the thing you are short of in the first place. In the credit card world, the poor are their biggest income producers. The video below will detail exactly why that is. It is depressing to hear clearly that the old, the sick, and students are targeted for higher interest charges and "convenience fees." 

This girl, Jackie Ramos, a "customer advocate" (a bank euphemism for collection agent) was fired by Bank of America for helping her customers get into payment programs. She is a heroine. If all employees of the "too-big-to-feel" banks would take her example and act on their beliefs, there would be big changes.  This girl is clear, articulate and she is everything that America means to me. 

 
UPDATE: Be sure and see The Card Game, a Frontline episode on this very subject that aired a few weeks ago. Thanks Michael  Rodgers for the heads up!

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Can we start the class war now?
The class war started long ago... and will never end.
I saw this video....I love the girl in it and agree she's a heroine. I like the way you put it, "too big to feel..."

rated for having compassion. I too have been poor (and still am by most standards) and think that once you're behind just catching up can seem like a herculean task.
Ardee, poor people are nothing but stepping stones for the rich. I see Magic Johnson, hawking Rent-Ta-Center crap, that cost a poor person ten times what it costs someone with money. Being poor sucks!
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Thanks for sharing this video.

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Thanks for commenting and commiserating, guys. Yes, I am just reposting this video, but I did it just in case some of you missed it elsewhere.
I am glad you posted this Ardee. I had not seen it.

Rich people get richer by standing on the necks of the folks with less. Class war is as old as classes. I would have did the same thing as this girl.
Great Post! I may never get over my resentment of the "overdraft cascade" that not only lands you hundreds of dollars negative in your account from something as minimal as a $4 debit card transaction an hour before your payroll check posts, but gets you blackballed across America on ChexSystems. Then there were the higher month-to-month installment payments for car insurance that I couldn't afford to pay all at once for six months of coverage. There is the interest we pay, the late fees we pay, the credit checks we pay--for an apartment application that doesn't end up getting you that apartment. We can't keep high minimum account balances to stave off fees, we can't buy a thousand cans of tuna for 5 cents a can at Sam's Wholesale in one shopping trip, we can't set up overdraft protection. Don't get me started on all the free crap rich people get as a "thank you" for their business or if John Varvatos wants to dress you from head-to-toe as a promotion. Poor people pay high security deposits for cable TV service, utilities and cell phone plans based on credit scores--many of which are never returned without an endless battle with the holder of the deposit. Landlords take advantage of poor people who cannot afford lawyers ALL of the time, with justice only being meted out by a handful of pro bono attorneys. Poor people pay more for transit cards because they can't always afford the more expensive "unlimited passes." Poor people take on student loans and end up paying far more for their educations than the rich. Not only is it more expensive to be poor, it's EXHAUSTING to constantly be fighting companies who do not live up to their already slanted adhesion contracts or service promises. Try busing in Chicago winters to a bank branch to fight 5 $35 overdraft fees because the bank didn't post your cash deposit the day earlier before running its debits. (A tactic all banks engage in to artificially overdraw your account). Now I know why the Statue of Liberty says: Give me your tired, your poor...They generate all of the corporate wealth.
I've tried and tried to play the credit game. I just am incapable -- it's not that I don't have enough money, it's just that I don't have enough money on the date they want it and I'm really really bad about putting off paying a bill (pure fear of not having enough money for food -- leftover from my single working mom days).

After I get through with the payments I'm working down now -- I think I'll go back to a cash-only basis like I did successfully for many years.

I love this young woman. Thanks for posting -- I hadn't seen it before.
What a wonderful young lady! As atrocious as the whole situation is doesn't it make you feel good that there are young people in this country like her who care and who have the guts to put it out there for all to hear and see?
What a brave young woman. And to the Bank of America employee who dumped her plate of food in her box -- your time will come. It always does.
I watched a PBS special recently about this and took notes about how the whole scam was created and how well it works. No compassion what so ever. The poor said fuck it. I ain't paying no more, so now the industry is attacking the middle class with lower limits and higher interest rates to make up the difference. Nice, huh?! For more info. Go to the PBS web site and search "the Card Game". You can see the whole scam including the guy who invented it.
Mrs. Raptor - well then, lets get all Marxist on their asses!

Delores - once you get behind in this country it's virtually impossible to catch up. It seems to be a corporate game of gotcha.

Scanner - Hearing that Marxist refrain again :)

Little willie - absolutely!

Mission - You, I and Scanner agree totally.

Ettinger - Your comment is a comprehensive list of abuses. It's shameful, and embarrassing. Thanks so much for making us look closer!

Skel - I refuse to get a credit card now, but my husband still has them and he pays (drum roll) three HUNDRED fucking dollars a month in interest. And he is completely unable to pay his bills every month - I still do it!!!

Life is Great - I am so happy that her story is getting a lot of attention. Whistleblowers are our only advocates these days.

Emma, I hope karma catches up with all of these bankers - and maybe we should nudging karma a little too.

Michael - I'm going to watch it tonight. I just watched the first 5 minutes, and it looks like it's something we all should catch. Here's the link.
This particular story deserves more attention. thank you~R~
The class war will never die; we are experts in oppressing the poor and the rich are well protected here.
The title says it all; very clever, Ardee.
Rated.
Predators and prey, isn't it. And she's right. If the banks would use a little common sense and stop adhering blindly to policy, they might actually be able to collect more money. At some point the crushing fees and interest rates just make some people throw up their hands and file bankruptcy which just siphons off hard won money that then goes into a lawyers bank account. Good grief!
Yup. That's the one. I wish I knew how to do a link like that.

Heartless lending practices by banks that knew people wouldn't be able to repay are at the heart of this whole meltdown and Congress has gone to their aid repeatedly.
The cost of houses in my neighborhood fluctuated madly before the bubble popped. Those that bought at the peak got really screwed. Some ended up double upside down to what they owed. So a family owes $180,000 on a house that's worth say $60,000 on today's market. The bank won't work with the owner and allow him to pay fair market on the house. They foreclose and kick the family to the curb, then sell the house at auction to speculators for $33,000. I've seen it several times in my neighborhood.
How does this help anyone but the already rich speculator? I know it's immoral, but it should be illegal, too.
Great post. It's amazing how we continue punish the poor, the sick and the vulnerable for being poor, sick and vulnerable - and to top it off, blame them for their situation.
Bank of America is the devil among devils and Jackie Ramos' video is proof. Thanks so much for this, Ardee. I am going to pass it around to ensure that it gets as large of an audience as possible.

We need a revolution. Really.
Thanks, Chuck, I hope it gets circulated.

Thoth, thanks.

TMichael-seriously, it's the Matrix all over again. And actually, Bush's Congress tightened the bankruptcy laws, which limits the common man's ability to get out from under that crushing debt.

Michael - (I'll PM you the code for the link - it'll try to make one if I put it here) That is a fucked up situation, and one of the reasons I left Florida. And, I watched that program and it's devastating. We are so screwed.

Aaron, it's a mantra of the right, personal responsibility, and so hypocritical since they have not a shred. Not only do they blame the poor, sick and vulnerable, but they put the rules in place that caused most of those ills!

Lisa, thanks for circulating Jackie's video - it's great to see what courage looks like. And yes, I have been invoking the Weathermen lately - damn, we need a new crop of radicals!
Yes, we can start the class war now. We need to all agree upon a day to let the banks know that we will withdraw all of our funds and cancel the accounts. Ditto for the credit cards and hopefully other loans as well. This will, of course, cause the banks to collapse. As the FDIC is at rock bottom, this will cause a big scare for the government as well as the banks. However, a condition needs to be stated that if a law is passed which will stop all usury rates and overdraft fees, there will be no run on the banks on a certain day. I can promise you, if enough people agree to this and go through with it, the banks and politicians will listen.

We do have it in our power to stop being victims. We just have to get off of our lazy collective asses and make a stand. The system is designed to keep someone down if he ever trips and falls, regardless of whether of not it was his fault.

What day works for you?
Okay, I thought about doing a post about this, this story I read today, this story that made me cry and made me sick to my stomach.

IRS Targets Single Moms Living in Poverty Because: They must be hiding income because no one could survive on so little money in Seattle.

You'll be as outraged as I was when you read this. Now it is a crime to be poor and they're going after your parents too!
RL, I am ready to do that any time, though I am stuck right now with the devil holding my mortgage and can't refinance for another year. So I could move my personal accounts to a local bank, but BoA will likely hit me with fees on my mortgage. Believe me, I am so ready!

Ablonde, that just sucks! The moral is, SAVE YOUR RECEIPTS! And get those fucking Republicans out of office.
I love that she uses real names. What a class act that she's willing to stand behind her story.
I think that we are moving towards a type of capitalism where most (maybe 80% even) of the population is irrelevant so far as the productive system is concerned. I mean that their labor is not needed, and not wanted, because it is redundant and considered an over-cost by corporations. So, what will happen?

We could go the way of Brazil, where the government is now paying "rent" TO people as a basic means of survival. This is the idea that everyone deserves at least a minimal amount for subsistence just because they are a citizen. Or, we could move in the direction of a more right-wing solution--which seems more likely in a place such as America--where people are forced to work, but under worse and worse conditions for practically no pay. But I wouldn't worry too much about this prospect, it seems to me to be an untenable condition.

I think we'll end up with a kind of pointless welfare state, something closer to Brazil than contemporary Russia or China, where a single party has become invaluable to multinationals as a tool of worker control. But even this welfare solution, of course, can be seen as a living hell. What does one do with oneself?

The only other option I can conceive of would be some form of 21st century communism, a self-consciously authoritarian state (and not an idealized one, like the Soviet Union and former Eastern-bloc regimes) which would provide for everyone and demand a certain level of morality in return, or at least allegiance to the idea of mutualism. This seems unlikely, although it has been proposed even by conservative thinkers. Rated.
The credit card companies are right up there with the insurance companies as the greatest villains in the story of the Rise and Fall of the Land of the Free. Rated.
Bank of America needs more employees like this girl, and I am so glad she posted on youtube. I never use my debitcard or pay online or write checks anymore because of all the fees it incurs. Free checking, right. so, thank you! I know I'm way late, but here's my story.

My son and I closed his account at US Bank because they charged him 35.00 plus 8.00/day for becoming $4.00 overdrawn. this was for an initial withdrawal, no debitcard purchases or bounced checks and after 2 weeks it totaled to more than 100.00. I called and raised hell with them and they tried to give me a lecture about how important it was not to become overdrawn. What a nerve. how can that be legal? My apartment complex charges me 85.00 monthly for being late with my rent because I get paid the 23rd and 9th of every month, so I am always 4 days late with the rent. if I paid them the 23rd, could I pay them 85.00 less? it's crazy. I do not consider myself to be poor, really. I just feel I'm being nickel-and-dimed to death. if one of my pets get sick or I get a virus on my computer or some unexpected expense, it screws everything up.
Latethink, that is such a common story! There is actually a book called Nickeled and Dimed, that is exactly about what you describe. If it helps at all, you are not alone, not that means anything at the end of the month!
Oh I read that book. I love Barbara Ehrenreich.