Ardee

Ardee
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JULY 21, 2012 12:06AM

Where's the motherly compassion?

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I am amazed at the number of internet posts that - in the face of the terrible tragedy in Aurora - want to focus ire on a mother who brought her 3 month old baby to the movie. That baby was injured, but thankfully, was not killed. But given the amount of angst over the harm that was done to this baby by its mother daring to expose it to violence, you would think that the gunman sought the hapless mother out and shot the baby point-blank. Is that what you all secretly think she deserved? 

Cut this poor girl some slack! Lets looks at the evidence. She was at the very first showing of a superhero movie, obviously a fan of comics and sci-fi. Only the hard-core fans show up at the sacred first showing of a sci-fi movie. So obviously she was a geek and likely very young. And likely this was her first baby. And likely she is young enough to be fine with the environment  of loud noise and high stimulation. So maybe you don't agree with that being appropriate for the baby - are you her mother or mother-in-law? Well, she's probably ignoring them too. So what's new?

This is her world and her life and that's what the baby will know as it grows up. Was your young motherhood so much better? Did you make no mistakes? Were your kids always protected and followed every rule? Did they grow up perfect in every way? Probably not. Likely some of your kids blame you for some failing in your mothering and you likely harbor some guilt and always will. Lets not throw stones in those pretty glass houses. And you can't look at environment or choices that make a good mother - a pierced and tatted punk mother may bring up a gloriously well-balanced child in the midst of chaos while a cautious, protective mother could bring up... well, a mass murderer. I don't see a word on the Internets about the shooter's mother, she's getting lots of consideration. Why focus on this one girl to the exclusion of the many, many issues around this event. 

And speaking of guilt, think of this poor girl, almost losing her baby through NO FAULT OF HER OWN. If the shooter hadn't shown up at the theater, the worst she would have been guilty of would be annoying her fellow geeks, and no one else would have said a word about it. But now she will have the whole world in her face and she will blame herself and suffer for the rest of her life over this twist of fate. To have chattering masses pile on to this victim - yes, she is a victim! - and blame her is just crass and unfeeling. Don't think for a minute that your criticism is limited to your own little blog or Facebook post - you know she is already getting  vicious emails and FB comments of exactly the same kind, from other self-righteous mothers who need to focus their fear on something they can wrap their brain around. 

Because that's what your criticism looks like to this bystander - a mother's terror that  there for the grace of god... And you can't process the fear, the grief, the loss that that event would cause in your life if you were her. But please, it's important to express those emotions, for you and for her. If you can focus on anything during the coverage of this tragedy, focus on sending love, support, and most importantly, exoneration to this young woman.  She so needs that right now. 

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It's very creepy to have Batman ads in the Google box.
yes, yes, yes, ardee. what is with all this piling on the woman? she took her baby to a movie, for pete's sake, not to a place where he/she would be expected to be in *danger*.
Well said, Ardee. As a mother of grown children, I have many, many regrets, not one of which includes poor movie choices. Mothers get all of the pressure, all of the criticism, blame and anger and we have so little power really. If we received an amount of support in proportion to the blame we get, now that would be great; but we don't.

It's a big world with fathers, brothers, sisters, extended family, neighbors, neighborhoods, cities, schools, and now this huge media, all of which have a huge impact on children's life. To blame a mother for anything and everything that can happen to her child or that her child may grow up to do is just wrong.

To say that this woman committed an error in judgment is probably true. She wanted to enjoy herself and is now paying a horrific price. We all commit errors in judgment. We all want to enjoy life. This lady's errors and pleasures were small and I feel so so sorry for her and every other person just trying to indulge a little without hurting anyone.

I read an article today by a guy named Kelly talking about how in 1927 a Canadian movie theater caught fire because of poor wiring and 78 children were killed. The parents and the Catholic church were so upset that for the next 40 years no one under 16 could go to the movies. They probably knew they couldn't fix all the wiring in every single theater but they didn't want their children to die so they did what they could.

so now, people are murdered daily in public places with guns by people out of control with hate or not in their right minds and nothing is ever done. Apathy, corruption, and bureaucracy are concepts not so easy to pile on as a mother whose baby was shot in a movie theater I guess, but that's what we should be talking about. We should be able to make dumb decisions or smart decisions, like leaving a violent husband, or taking a baby to a late night movie, or even going out for a drink in a bad neighborhood without being shot. Thank you Ardee. I should have made this my own post. Sorry.
It was Quebec, not all of Canada. Google Chris Kelly.
I don't think the mom deserves to have her baby shot, I'm happy her baby wasn't killed and sad it was shot. I don't think anyone deserved to be shot or witness the shooting. The mother is not responsible for her child being shot, the shooter is the ONLY person to be blamed for anyone being shot at that theater. I'm sorrowful for everyone that was hurt or had a loved one killed or hurt.

My youngest chose not to immunize, I don't agree but I respect her choice because she did a lot of research before making her choice. My response when whooping cough went around was to ask if the baby was vaccinated or should I go get a vaccine. She was on parenting magazine website and a person on the other side was telling a mom who also didn't immunize that her child was a killer and she hoped it got some disease and died. I was horrified to hear about that. I would not wish that even if their choice is not mine, I only state what I think, not wish ill. That's not a person helping a mom, that's a person attacking a mom.

I say this and my opinion is still a mom should not have a small child in a theater in the middle of the night. If a couple has their sleepy, grumpy children in the grocery store in the middle of the night (I see it constantly even at 1 am) I don't think that's a good idea either, especially when the parents get mad at an obviously tired child. Theaters and grocery stores are open during the day. I tell my youngest things about her baby she doesn't always like. I tell her those things not to harm her or to be right, but because I don't want her to have the hard lessons I had or make the mistakes I made. I want her to be a better mom than I was, I want her child to have the best life she can. I want that for all my friends with kids and I offer to help where I can. What I do to help is babysit and make homemade ice cream with agave so she's not feeding the baby junk food or trapped at home with no sitter like I was. If her husband doesn't have the free and easy lifestyle he once had, that's just too bad. He can suck it up too.

I think much of what's in the movies and on TV is harmful. I think parents let their kids watch too much violence. In fact, it's good for everyone around them if they watch calming or happy things. It's not like I wanted to watch that stupid Big Bird or Elmo endlessly. Those are my opinions based on my experiences and observations. What we absorb influences us. I told my eldest she was starting to change when she got hooked on all the different Housewife shows, I became alarmed when she then got hooked on O'Reilly and Beck. She's now so filled with selfishness, cattiness and hate speech that we're all estranged from her. And she's alienated most of her friends. It's heartbreaking.

I think violent shows are toxic for kids and FOX news is toxic for all age groups. That is still my opinion.

I don't blame moms, but I think after thousands of years of men being in charge, men are completely useless in bringing about the change we need in the world. Women may be our only hope, my hope is that we're up to it. I for one am quite exhausted.

Thank you for the post, it made me think. Rated.
The Yahoo article

http://m.yahoo.com/w/legobpengine/news/couple-colo-theater-shooting-escape-baby-toddler-tow-162024554--abc-news-topstories.html?orig_host_hdr=news.yahoo.com&.intl=US&.lang=en-US

It wasn't her first child. Both children were at the theater. Her guy, the father of the kids, dropped the baby and ran away. All not something to be judged.

Their reason for being there, though, leaves a bit to be desired...

" We just moved here from New Mexico," he said. "We have to go out. We have to do things."

So they go to a multiplex at midnight.
Good morning! I am grateful to check in and find that no squadron of mothers has directed their anger at me. And I really appreciate those who gave some thought to the other side of the argument. That she had a four year old there also (no, I didn't do the research, my bad) doesn't really change my thoughts on this.

We are often so quick to judge! Just think if the Tea Party had singled this woman out as the example of blah, blah, blah. We'd jump to defend her and be outraged that they were bullying a young mother. But since the TP has been silent, are we also looking for a focus for our anger and fear just as unfairly? That's the question I'm asking.
Thanks, Candace. We are in alignment!

latethink, what a great example of reactionary thinking! Instead of addressing the real problem, the victims of the fire were made to be the problem, and rights were removed. Thanks so much for adding that story.

Bleue, I agree that the influence that you have as a mother or a mother-in-law is where these conversations should be held, not on Facebook by strangers. I have similar views about violent video games, and maybe movies are also responsible for altered behaviors. That isn't something you can - or should - legislate and each mother makes her own decisions. I will say that my parents thought rock and roll played the same role in my childhood and every parent in every generation has to deal with new cultural issues that they didn't have as children.

Phyllis, I don't find anything reprehensible in their statements. Maybe they work during the day. And notice in my post about first showings being special for sci-fi fans.
Ardee- I think the reason people question it is that it is a violent movie, a very late movie, and the child was an infant. Most people would consider bringing an infant to a movie an imposition on the other movie goers. Grownups pick late movies, in part, to avoid being around small children who make a lot of noise. Some movie theaters have a policy that if your child cries, you have to leave (they will give a refund). Some movie theaters now just have movies where you cannot be under 18 to be in the theater at all- so that other adults can enjoy the show (these theaters cost more, but are also very nice to be in). Not a single person would suggest that holding a child anywhere is cause to get shot. I think we would have reacted the same way if the shooting had been at a bar- and a 3 month old child was injured, or a 6 year old.
It does make people wonder, though, if parents who let their young kids see this kind of violence early on don't consider the exposure of their kids to their later years. If the shooter had picked a Chuck E Cheese, it would be a different conversation (although my one visit to that place was frightening to me, as an adult).
The reality is now, in America, you can expect to be in danger from someone wielding a gun or explosives, anywhere, anytime. Safeway in broad daylight to a movie theater at midnight. And for the totally nonviolent Norwegians who were at daycamp on an island. That tells you more about what is happening to (American) children who grow up to do this, and the environment of violence they were exposed to.
It's sad her child got shot, but it is sad anyone got shot. No one deserved it more than anyone else, at midnight or at all.
Orioki, I find nothing in your comment to disagree with. Parenting advice is in order in similar cases, but the posts I have seen where people are outraged about her choice to bring the baby to the movie are a little over the top.
My point was, if you want to go out and get to know your new town, why would you go to a multiplex at midnight? They went to see the movie, plain and simple. Just admit it. This movie isn't going away for a while, either, so why have to go to that showing and disrupt the kids' schedule?

But like I also said, nothing to judge on, just questions. I would have been disgruntled if I were sitting next to them because the kid could have started crying at any time, but I wasn't there so my opinion doesn't matter.

And neither does anyone else's. These parents now get to live with their decision, and she gets to know that her husband will drop her baby and run if his life is threatened. Again, no judgment. A fact. It happened, for whatever reason. Not knowing his history.

I hope this gets movie theaters to start enforcing the rating system, at the very least.
Phyllis, what I'd personally like to see is more gun laws, more rigorously enforced, so we don't have to wonder what our spouse will do under fire.
I am much more disturbed by the knowledge that there were 6 and 9 and 12 year olds in that audience. Those parents need to be talked to.
Ardee, I actually support the 1927 overreaction. At least they did something. It may have been misguided, but they didn't want to feel helpless and accept the fact that their children would die in a movie theater. Here we are urged to do the opposite. There's another post on OS about how this whole episode is due to bad parenting and that bad things happen and we just have to accept it. We don't even DISCUSS gun control. It would be unseemly if we talked about changing the status quo.

"Let's talk about the crazy people taking small children to the movies at night if you want to talk about crazy!" Look there, don't look at the lunatic with the automatic weapon and the tear gas. Pray, don't ask your elected officials what they intend to do about innocent people being shot randomly in public places. They're just going to make more private expensive venues for the people who count. I really need to do my own post.
latethink, yes yes and yes. And do write about it too - why is no one talking about gun control - have we all given up on that? The NRA has "pistol-whipped" us and we know it.
I wrote one. I think my comments were better. Thanks Ardee. We're not pistol whipped, it's the big guys in charge. I saw on network news today a reporter asked one of the treating doctors in Aurora what she would say to the shooter if she had the opportunity. This irritated me because no one wants to talk to the shooter. The doctor just dissolved into tears. I don't know what she said, but it's the responsible people who also have to answer for this, not just the irresponsible ones.
Going for the Like button on your comment latethink!
Tell this to the father whose 6 year old daughter died. It is a ridiculous and moronic trend of parents who bring their infants and small children to Violent, ADULT films and to Midnight showings, way past their bedtimes. When you become a parent, you actually do have to be responsible for your child who you are raising and bringing them to violent adult films in the middle of the night is juvenile behavior. And for the rest of us, we have to listen to the crying baby and the 6 year old throughout the entire movie. So yes, I'm glad people are talking about her lack of responsibility and her rudeness to the rest of us.
And BTW Aurora, CO has very strict gun control laws. That's why the only person in the theatre who had a gun was the criminal; everybody else was unarmed and unable to protect themselves. Timothy McVeigh didn't need a gun to kill hundreds in Oklahoma City, just a truck and manure so this knee-jerk response that gun control is needed in non-thinking: this happened where gun control is in place. and in a "gun free zone." Proof that gun control doesn't work; but right to carry laws allow people to protect themselves from the inevitable psycho or terrorist. Permit to carry a concealed weapon: if someone in the theatre had this, a lot less people would be dead today.
Deborah, I so appreciate you coming by so you can prove my point. The way you talk about this poor woman who has been exposed to terror and death and potential loss as if it's her fault is misguided. Young mothers make mistakes every day - tens of thousands of them are doing the things you abhor every day. Why focus your anger on this one? If this young woman had a mother or mother-in-law to advise her, maybe she wouldn't have taken the baby - but maybe that mother would have baby-sat. That young family just moved to Aurora, so no handy family member to help out in any way. Are you saying she deserves to suffer because of that? Are you helping out your daughter in the same situation, or are you browbeating her like this stranger you don't know and have never met?

But if you want to talk about gun rights, all the better. You are mistaken - Colorado has very lenient gun laws. In fact, the shooter was completely within his rights to carry an assault rifle. The audience was within their rights to carry a gun. It was the theater's policy that no guns were allowed. But everyone followed the rule, thank god! There was tear gas in the air and they would have been shooting blind and thankfully! the audience did not confront the gunman - there would have been double or triple the deaths, most by friendly fire. The audience left that role to the police. Of course, your political party wants to cut funds to the police, and at the same time, encourage people to open carry so they can take the law into their own hands. I don't want to live in the wild west, even if you do. Gun fights in movie theaters should stay in the world of fiction and should never become reality. You gun rights people are living in a fictional world, where danger is waiting and you are fully competent to fight that danger off with a gun, where your government is ready to put you in concentration camps. It's a fiction perpetrated by Fox News and pumped by the corporations and the NRA so they can profit off your fear. You are not Annie Oakley and this woman with the baby doesn't live in a lawless country. Stop trying to make it one. Or move to Somalia. Your choice.