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Arlene Green

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JULY 19, 2008 12:42AM

Cooking for the Barbarian Horde

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What with the Rachel Ray smackdown, I started thinking, what is it about her that sets me off, really? It is true she's perky and I hate perky. Perky, even when it isn't, always seems fake to me. And no one is perky all the time so people who always seem to be make me suspicious. And perky at the butt-crack of dawn will get you shot around me.

But it isn't the perky. If it were I'd also hate Kelly Rippa and I don't. I'd not love my friend Cara as much as I do, either, because she's about as perky as it gets. I sometimes want to put Cara into a box to calm her down, too, but I still love her.

It isn't the success or money, either. If I wanted that I could have it. I don't particularly want it. I watched what it did to my father and it doesn't appeal.

I don't think she's funny looking. She's actually pretty cute. The latent bi-sexual in me would do her.

So what's left? The food. It has to be the food.

I honestly think that Rachel Ray would have a meltdown trying to cook for my family. She also wouldn't be able to do so on 40 dollars a day. No way, no how. That's what gets to me. I know, deep in my soul, that she has never faced the challenges I do in the kitchen and probably would fail abysmally if she tried to surmount them.

It bugs me that she is considered some sort of frugal cooking guru. Cuz she ain't. I am, dammit.

However, this post isn't really about her. It is about me. So enough about her.

I grew up with a mother that hated to cook. Truly hated to. She cooked everything on high to get it over with as soon as possible. So everything was crispy to black on the outside and raw in the center.

This was a problem for me because I liked food. Good food. I solved this dilemma by teaching myself to cook at a very young age in self-defense. By the time I was 17 I could make just about anything and I'd discovered a real talent for baking.

Then I had kids. For the first little bit this wasn't a problem since kids eat kid stuff. The problem came in when they became old enough for real people food and I discovered that the little buggers had their own ideas about what was and wasn't good. They turned their little noses up at the things other people would beg me to make for them.

Then I had more kids and things got even more complicated.

At one point in time I had 1 child that would eat nothing he thought had anything from the allium genus (onions or garlic), one that would touch nothing green, one that would cry if his food had red in it and another who would not touch corn. That doesn't leave you with much to work with, let me tell you. Especially when you factor in a husband that doesn't like carrots.

The above is why Schuyler was my favorite child during that period of my life. He likes food like I like food and for him new flavors and textures were a spiritual experience. The memory of Schuyler closing his eyes, slowly chewing something I had made and was new to him, and the noises of satisfaction he made still brings a tear.

I managed to survive those years by mincing all garlic and onions very small and throwing them in on the sly, lying my ass off about why the food was that color ("Really, honey, those aren't green. They just look green because an evil alien put a curse on them. They taste orange.") and avoiding corn. My husband learned to eat carrots because no way in hell was I going to cater to him when I had to deal with the kids, too.

Then they got older and most of that nonsense stopped. The challenges didn't. The bigger they got, the more food they required. Since I have cooked for 8 people at minimum for the last 13 years until last year when it went down to 6 that meant I had to find ways to feed them all without going into the poor house.

I took up gardening. And then it took over me. But it is a cost effective way to feed people and not resort to boxed crap. And discount grocery stores became my friend. I can feed a family of 6 on 200 or less a week. Take that Rachel! Oh, yeah, I wasn't talking about her. Where was I?

That's right, how to feed them all without becoming poor. Fresh produce I produce myself. But there was the recipe problem. You can't stay out of the poorhouse with a meat and potatoes menu. Not with that many mouths. So I learned 1001 things to do with pasta or rice and a little meat.

The things I can do with a couple of pounds of ground beef, some garden fresh veggies and some rice can make people cry. In a good way. I can take the contents of a near empty pantry and make something edible with it.

Have you ever wondered why Chinese food, real Chinese food, is so good? I know why. Because when you have limited resources to work with and many mouths to feed and a yen for good food you learn to take a bunch of small amounts with different flavors and mix them into a big amount that blends well.

I'm not even sure where I'm going with this. My kids can all cook now so I don't have to on the rare occasions I don't feel like it. There are no more challenges for me to face in the kitchen. I've mastered the forgotten domestic art of cooking for many. Good thing, too. It is about the only domestic art I am good at. Well, the only one I can tell you about without giving a not safe for work warning.

Maybe I should write a cookbook. But I'll be damned if I'll pose on a sink in daisy dukes if it sells. Ooops, there I go again. Rachel Ray has nothing to do with this post. Right.

 

 

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bravo Arlene...or brava!

There are so many wonderful people here on OS...at times I feel lazy or stupid when I read what's going on in the lives here. Most people rise to the occasion and do what has to be done...but I'm not sure I could have handled a family as large as yours Arlene, and as far as I can tell, congratulations on turning out a bunch of wonderful human beings too.
A serious chuckle.

And who's this Rachel person of whom you almost never spoke? ;-)

Perkiness is a social disease. Fight it with a checkup and a check.
Thats a talent - $200 feeding six people! Impressive. Plus you don't need a reason not to like someone - go on, embrace it.
See, I'm with your son on the corn thing. Food that comes out lookin' the same way it did goin' in ain't right.
Hey, Arlene -- kudos on just another of your wonderful talents. Did you use a lot of spices? I find so much flavor can be added to simple foods with the right cooking techniques, sauces and spices. I am really into braising -- hence a new interest in the crock pot.

People are funny sometimes about food. My husband was sick last week with a flu-like bug. I made him a fairly bland chicken breast with egg noodles in a creamy sauce that I thought I had properly labeled comfort food for someone with a bad stomach. He retorted that it wasn't comfort food, as it had no flavor..it did, but he was sick...

So, the next day, I took the leftover chicken broth, stirred in vinegar, Grey Poupon, Worchestershire sauce, tamari, black pepper and onion and marinated a pork roast overnight. Threw all into the crock pot in the morning with red potatoes, more onions and carrots...Now, who would have thought that would be the most tasty thing I had made in a long time? Not me, but he loved it even though he still had a "bad stomach". Go figure...
PS to Barry: Anyone that can cook like you do is a treasure. I think of you often when I am scrambling to get a meal on the table before 6 pm after working all day. I remember from other recipes here that there are tasty and healthy alternatives to dragging home a rotisserie chicken.
Mama Arlene, making Barry feel lazy or stupid may be even more of a triumph than is satiating the barbarian hordes; brava indeed!

If you won't do Daisy Dukes, though, would you consider something with chocolate and a spatula?
Thanks everyone.

Barry, I tell you a secret:

Once you get to more than 3 kids it doesn't really get exponentially harder. 6 kids isn't any more chaotic than 4.

John-

It is, isn't it? Perky is just so irritating.

Dorelvis-

Thanks. I call the Rachel Ray thing Bizarre Hatred of Random Celebrities. After a thread that existed on the forums here. I know I don't need a reason, I'm just enough of a navel gazer that I am always trying to figure it out anyway.

Liz-

But corn is good! Now if we were talking squash...

Stella-

They do tend to drag home strays, don't they? I don't think there is a child/person between the ages of 11 and 25 within a 3 miles radius that hasn't eaten here at least once. The whole neighborhood has, that's for sure.

Lisa-

I'm all about the spices. In fact, part of my greenhouse space is reserved for herbs and peppers. I have rosemary, oregano, thyme, sage, cilantro, several different kinds of basil, some varieties of mint, and banana, habanero, cayenne and kung pao peppers.

Food without spice is not good food.

Lonnie-

I like Barry. I don't want to make him feel lazy or stupid. Barry is cool.

As for the chocolate and spatula...ain't happenin'. Unless there is tequila involved.
We have our Faux Gourmet supper club thing tonight. It's my turn to do the dessert. The theme is from the host's favorite cookbook Cucina Fresca. I don't know how fresca mine will be, but I chose a dessert from the Parma region, Sciarlotta di Pere (Pear Charlotte). It's a chilled dessert, so it should go well on a hot hot day. Mine is from one of my favorite cookbooks, Classic Food of Northern Italy by Anna Del Conte. I'll post some pics of it after it comes out of the fridge and I get it inverted.

But, this is not how we eat everyday thank you very much. I often declare "YOYO" which is an acronym meaning "You're On Your Own." The kids and my bride are quite capable of grazing on their own, either on leftovers or stuff that's easy to throw together. And if the kids are not timely with doing their "contributions" (chores) and the kitchen is untidy or a mess, then they are more likely to get a YOYO since I don't like to start cooking in a messy kitchen.

I agree Arlene there is a social economy of scale. We had three kids in less than three years. The second was more than twice the work, and when the third one came we went from a man-to-man defense to a zone defense. I just would be fearful of my abilities in any larger group than what we have and think you're wonderful for all you do in and outside of your home.
Your post reminds me of my grandmother and her dinners intended for 5 or 6 could easily be stretched to feed the 3 additional mouths that would show up at dinner time.

She raised 4 sons during the Depression. When 2 or more of them would get together, years later, around the kitchen table, talk would inevitably turn to the "old days" when they would go to the movies (10 cents to get in) and bring a feed sack full of popped corn to share. They said they always had the cutest girls around them -- I'm sure it was because of the popcorn, not their beguiling teenaged boy ways. Or they would talk about their pancake eating contests on Saturday mornings, where the winner would sometimes eat as many as 80 or pancakes. My grandmother was about 5' 2" and her sons at maturity were all 6' 2" or more. She would stand in front of the stove making hundreds of pancakes for their enjoyment.

But when my brother and I lived with my grandparents, we still ate meals with the Depression era recipes at the center. Mock something gravy was hard-boiled eggs and leftover bits of pork roast (this was in Iowa) in cream sauce, served over boiled potatoes. Funny, I know there must have been some other vegetable, but I can't remember what.

Pork chops (VERY thin ones) covered with scalloped potatoes and baked until the top layer of potatoes was crispy, but not burned.

LOTS of cream sauces and lots of casseroles. Every meal was tasty and every plate had to be cleaned. The only meal she would serve, and she served it once a month, that I did not like was the liver and onions, always with mashed potatoes. We were forced to eat all of the liver, which more closely resembled shoe leather to me, and the only way I was able to do it was to put about an inch of mashed potatoes and fried onions on top.

But she feed a large family and whoever stopped in with filling meals every day of the week. There was no McDonalds or Stouffers frozen dinners.

Thanks for the memories.
Pork chops (VERY thin ones) covered with scalloped potatoes and baked until the top layer of potatoes was crispy, but not burned.

That is my kind of meal right there. Throw in a good garden salad or some sauteed greens, a nice vino rosso and I'm in heaven. In fact, I'm walking down to my butcher after I post this to pick up some chops and make that for dinner tonight! Thanks, Julie.

Arlene, I wasn't suggesting that making Barry feel lazy or stupid ought to be any kind of goal, it was more of a statement of my amazement that such a feat might even be possible. As for getting you into a photo-shoot involving tequila, I'll have to think about it. The last two times I drank tequila I caught on fire and I'm not sure I want to test the rule of three on that any time soon.
Barry-

You could do it, I'm pretty sure. The very fact that you think you might not be able to convinces me. Mostly the people that fail at parenting stuff are the people that think it isn't that hard.

And Pears Charlotte sounds heavenly right now. I need a pear tree.

Julie-

That's my kind of food. I'm a butter and cream whore. I don't do liver, though. It isn't the shoe leather thing that gets to me, its the veins. Liver is, to use a term a child of mine used whenever he didn't like something, becusting.

My kids never had to eat it.

They never had to clean their plates either. I handled that a different way. You didn't have to eat anything but if you didn't eat it I didn't want to hear 2 hours later about how you were starving to death and if you had to eat something or you would faint away it was leftover dinner you were getting.

Cut down on the drama and power struggles. Also made them more likely to at least try something they weren't sure of.

Lonnie-

You caught on FIRE?!?!

Good lord, man. What the hell were you doing? Tequila explains a lot of weird experiences but not that. Not without a back story.
We're six here, three of whom are teenagers. Our grocery bill is twice yours and I am feeling schmucky because I am sure my laziness contributes to our cost. But growing a garden here is near impossible (I've had a vegetable garden every other place we've lived) and I have a hard time just cooking from the refrigerator bits and pieces (unless it's soup). Yet, come winter, the bills go down and I won't feel like crying about every day as I do now. No AC bills ($530 this month) and I can make clean out the refrigerator soup a couple times a week and answer the pleas for French Onion the rest of the time. November can't come soon enough.

Arlene, you are a goddess, funny, smart, economical, career and family-oriented, green-thumbed, pro-culinarial (you like that word?), curious, and outspoken. I bow to your greatness.
I don't really want to go into any detail but will just say tequila leaves me upright, but oblivious to a degree that I might wander close enough to something burning and ignite my own clothing and not notice I'm on fire until someone else points it out. It's not the best entertainment choice for me.
Lauren, you live in the frickin' desert. On well water. Of course you can't do the garden thing. Talent for throwing stuff together or not that is going to make your costs go through the roof. You could be June Cleaver and still not do what I do because I live in a place where the growing season is actually longer than the fallow season and I have the largest natural lake in California to get water from.

I don't know how godessy I am. But thanks. Some of the things you like make other people hate me.

Lonnie-

Do tell. I do the autopilot thing too with tequila but not quite to that degree. Maybe if I was dropping blotter...
Guys, remember I just came back from visiting my family in Israel who have 10 kids, top five married (which adds hungry husbands), 8 grandkids, only 1 on the breast. That's a lot of people to feed on a very tight budget. And they all gather for meals a lot. Especially when I visit. So even with a few missing, a normal nightly dinner feeds at least 20, usually more.

I am in awe of what my sister-in-law can do with soup alone. She cooks everything, from chicken to pasta to, well, not pork, (sorry, Lonnie) and makes it seem not only easy but fullsome. And with that size group, there isn't any time or patience for personal preferences. You eat what's on the table or you don't eat. Within reason. You want bread and butter only? Okay, but with some fruit and some soup.

Everybody waits for the one magical night Aunt Sally makes her special brisket, which, btw is one of the most expensive cuts of meat. And nobody misses dinner that night. I save up in order to buy enough of it when I'm there. And add extra potatoes, carrots and onions. Recipe on request. Can serve 4 or 40. Ambrosia.
Oh, and btw, Rachel Ray can kiss Arlene's feet. And Barry's. And, come to think of it, any of us. So there! And no, Lonnie, I'm not doing a Daisy Duke Brisket shot either. I hate tequila. But I love all of you.
You sister-in-law impresses me. That's a real horde to cook for. Especially impressive if she keeps kosher. I don't know that I could do that. Course, probably simpler to do in Israel than it would be here.
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention the kosher part. They just roll with it and when they visit us, so do I. Did you know you can kosher your entire kitchen lickety-split? Nothing's ever *too* hard unless we make it that way.
The tequila en fuego stories are no big deal, really. Drinking lots of tequila, having lots of fun, got too close to the candle, caught on fire, didn't notice until someone said (the first time), "is something burning?" and (the second time), "dude, you're on fire!"

No blotter involved; had it been, I'd have gone supernova.

Sally, I'll take the brisket recipe. If it's as good as you say, maybe I'll do a Daisy Duke shot. I'll have you know, I was once chosen to model for a swimsuit calendar and I received personal instruction on professional modeling techniques from Paulina Porizkova. But that's another story entirely...
I could kosher my kitchen, I think, but about half my recipes would be right out as I do a lot of Italian that involves meat and cheese. Also, my gumbo just wouldn't be the same without the shrimp. I'd have to come up with a whole new repertoire.

I think I'll stick with making sufganiyot for holidays and call it good. ;)
My grandmother had 11 children and my mother had 5 and I had one.

That pastry recipe stretches a chicken a very loooong way. I had to cut it back for our tiny family's needs.
That's right, I was going to try that one. I've got the stuff for it, maybe I'll do it tomorrow and tell you how it turns out.
What - no-one besides Lonnie has ever had an accident lighting something to smoke? C'mon, fess up. Its happened to everyone I know. I've seen someone burn their eyelashes, their hair. (Not me - never me.) I did, however burn my nose and bangs pretty badly once when I was altered. I told my mom that the lighter must have been broken, but my dad knew.
Nope. Never happened to me. That's my story and I'm sticking with it.
Ceramic, from Keramos, means to burn things up. And that is how I make art 75% of the time. So I think you all are funny.

It ain't even a BBQ til you hit 1800 Farenheit.

I didn't even take pictures of the burns to my forearms when they were 3rd degree and now I have a scar from stoking my woodkiln. I am a real man. Or whatever.

And you call yourself "On fire" ! Pshaw....
I'm just back from the dentist's office, still slightly numb from novacaine, and I'm getting really hungry from this post and its comments.

Arlene, I really think you should write a book, and you could call it the title of this post, "Cooking for the Barbarian Horde." There would be no doubt about the usefulness of the contents.

And, all of those limitations you had to work around would be very useful for those who now have to cook for family or friend with some kind of allergy.
So now we know how you spend naptime!

Is it hard to get the sprinkles off? My experience with nopariels is that they get everywhere...
I love Amy Sedaris, but I'm not rolling in sprinkles, either. I'm still trying to make up my whether I'm going to do ePriddy's women of OS thing or not.
Arlene wrote: I'm not even sure where I'm going with this

I know where you're going: Post a recipe! I would love to know what to do with garden fresh vegetables and ground beef. Help, please help! I'm surrounded by males and I only know how to bake. And not really that well...