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Arlene Green

Arlene Green
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Geek girl, mother of more children than human beings should be allowed, owner of a snake named Plissken, several dogs, a plethora of cats, easily annoyed, easily overjoyed, will work for books.

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JULY 21, 2008 4:20PM

Teaching Them To Think

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One of the most important jobs of a parent is to teach their children to think. Many  parents are confused about this and believe this means you are to teach them to think just like you do. They are wrong.  You find this mindset amongst people who send their kids to Bob Jones University or are militant vegetarians.  Fortunately it usually backfires on them and the children rebel by getting more piercings than a pin-cusion, dating the drummer for Rob Zombie or opening  a steakhouse.

I've always tried to give my children freedom of thought.  I've encouraged them to explore and observe the world around them. I've allowed them to make up their own minds about pop culture, religion, politics, ethics and what kind of breakfast cereal they eat.

This is the right thing to do. I am convinced. But sometimes I have to wonder if those pepople with the BJU  alumni children  know something I don't.  Especially when I start eavesdropping on the kids. Don't make that face, parents always eavesdrop. How else are you going to really know what goes on in that kid world of theirs? Okay, so I could ask. However, that wouldn't be nearly as much fun. 

 For example, a few of my children once got into a discussion about whether killing my clone would be the same as killing me.  Schuyler, Zane and Tim maintained that it wouldn't be since a clone was obviously not me. Pierce who was a bit younger and I think a little horrified by the very concept maintained that it would be.

"Yes it would. It would be just like mom! It's a clone it would be the same physically."

"That doesn't make it the same. It wouldn't have mom's memories so it would just look the same."

 "Doesn't matter."

"Does too...okay so what if it was an evil clone? Could we kill it then?"

"How evil?"

"Really evil. Monica evil." (Monica is a little girl that has picked on them for years. I think she has a crush on Schuyler.)

"Well...okay. But how could you tell which one was the clone?"

This made them pause. How could you tell? Everyone knows that if you ask the evil clone if it is the evil clone it will tell you it is not. Evil clones always lie. Then Pierce had a eureka moment.

"I know!  The clone wouldn't have any stretchmarks! If we checked that we would know which one to kill!"

Alrighty then.  

It isn't just my clone that falls victim to the freedom to think either. They use it on each other.  Zane, in particular, gets out thought by Schuyler. For example, Zane really liked the show Charmed. Don't ask me why. I don't know. Zane also would invariably pick Raisin Bran when it was his turn to pick the cereal. Much to the other childrens' dismay. He didn't care about toys and cartoon brand mascots. He just liked Raisin Bran. The child is pretty much immune to culture spawned gender messages and all advertising. I can't take credit for it. Wish I could.

At any rate, I was allowing Zane to watch a Charmed marathon in the livingroom which was irritating the other children who don't like Charmed.  After a couple of hours Schuyler wanders in and tells him, "This is a chick show."

Zane of course got very indignant about that and swore it was not.

"It is just a show. There is no such thing as a chick show."

"Is too. Do you pay attention to the commercials? They are chick commercials."

"They are not!"

"Yes they are."

"No, they aren't! They are just commercials."

Schuyler cocks an eyebrow and asks "Oh, so you have had that not so fresh feeling? "

At which point Zane went into evil squint mode and refused to engage further.

I thought that was pretty funny. Zane didn't.  

I'm not even sure which children were involved in this next one or what exactly it was they were doing. I heard Indistinct muttering with a reasonable tone

Mumble, mumble, mumble...voice goes up "Why not?!?"

Audible outraged response

"Because you are prey! Prey doesn't get to negotiate with the predator!" 

I hope I haven't screwed up here. The world may not be ready for my clone murdering, media savvy, surrealist kids. Oh well, at least they won't date the drummer from Rob Zombie. I hope.  

 

  

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That Pierce is one smart cookie.

My daughter once proved to her then-boyfriend that he wasn't really Catholic, because he didn't believe in transubstantiation. He'd had all of the Catholic education, but she'd had some AP European history.
If Zane was over 12 years old, I can easily guess why he was charmed by "Charmed". It wasn't the plot line.

A fun post, Arlene, thanks for sharing.
Hmmm...I just asked him and he blushed. I think Procopius has a winner. Except for the redhead I didn't find any of those women particularly attractive but I don't have penis, so...

That was certainly why the kid the next block over with no TV came over here to watch Sailor Moon every afternoon for two years.
Yes, Steve has it right. The big kid in my house will watch no "chick flicks", but had NO trouble at all with Charmed. :)
That's why I watched Charmed.

Great post. my son is just now starting to really talk. We can't get over his diction. How does a 3 year old learn compoind sentences like, "Daddy's going to go get the camera so that grandma can see me in my tent."

Thank god he starts preschool in 45 days or so. Then I can say he learned it there.
Great post, Arlene. Of course, none of them suck.

My evil twin doesn't have stretch marks, cellulite, or wrinkles, you can spot her right away.

BTW, the toddler told me a short while ago that he was a pretty, pretty princess. We're wearing matching Snow White rings so we're both pretty, pretty princesses. Obviously, David is not home right now to enjoy our princess party.
Little kids are great. They can become anything in the blink of an eye with just a thought and a few props. Sometimes all they need to create a new world is a cardboard box.

Or a princess ring.

The thing about the ladies of Charmed is...I'm not exactly completely het. As in, I've done more than think about it. But the actresses on that show didn't ring my bell, at all.
Arlene, with you as a mother, your kids will rule the world ... in a good way.

My son came in last night before dinner, found his father watching West Side Story and said (with complete sarcasm, don't give me a hard time about this), "God, Dad, that's so gay!" Then he sat down to watch the rest of the movie.

Earlier this year he grumbled but took his girlfriend to see "27 Dresses." Afterwords (my husband told me) he told her if he wanted to see tits, he'd rather look at her, not a moronic chick flick.
My BF used to like to watch Charmed, too. Point to Procopius.

Another thought I had, sort of related, and perhaps it deserves its own post... is that parents also need to teach their children to be responsible for their own emotions, which means first helping them figure out what it is that they feel, and at some point, what to do with that knowledged.

The world would be a far, far better place if all or even most parents did this.
I feel pretty confident in saying you haven't screwed up.

Oh, and thanks for the laugh, my two were in rare form tonight. (I don't know how you do it, I can just barely handle two. )
"West Side Story" gay? I love that show (stage or movies, you pick). As my wife says, for a guy who claims not to like musicals, an awful lot of my favorite movies are just that.

Between learning that WSS is "gay" and California allowing gay marriage, I'm not sure how much longer I can hold out and stay straight.

Now I'll have to do something to bring my BQ ("Butch Quotient") back up to normal, like watch that man's man Rock Hudson catch Doris Day as Tony Randall helps out.

More seriously Sally, I'm glad that he stayed and watched it, it's a great story and a great introduction to the genre.
John - three words: I Feel Pretty.

Great post, Arlene. Very funny-
When my brother and I were young, there were exactly 4 shows we could watch together without killing each other: Batman, Star trek, Ultra Man and Speed Racer.

I am sure my mom was just as baffled about me as you are about you son and Charmed.

Right now, the toddler amusement consists of listening to my son sing verbatim the "Potty Song" from the Elmo potty training video. It is really hysterical and as soon as I can get it on video, y'all will see it. (none of this means, of course that he is actually using the potty...)
Hi Ann, four words back at ya' : "We're Gonna Rumble Tonight".

That's what made it so great; there's something for everyone. Can there be anyone who even pretends to have half a conscience that doesn't see the plea hidden behind the humor of "Officer Krupke"? Or miss the irony of "Everything's Free in America"?

WSS is one of the greatest things to hit the American stage - ever.
Touche, John! (I hope I spelled that correctly - it's a touchy word). I just couldn't resist with the I Feel Pretty... I saw one of the WSS revivals on Broadway in 1980 which is a big deal for me since I've only seen two plays on Broadway. It's remarkable. I think the score is groundbreaking.
Gee Ann, we can race - I've only seen two as well: "J.C. Superstar" in 1973 and "Spamalot" in 2006. As you can probably guess, I don't get to NYC very often. Which is kinda too bad, I always have a good time when I'm there - especially if the Red Sox beat the Yankees that day.
Me two, too! (Broadway, that is.) Spamalot and Fiddler on the Roof with - get this - Rosie O'Donnell as Golde (she was not bad) and Harvey Fierstein as Tevye (he was actually, suprisingly terrific!)
I love the way the comments sections start out about one thing and then evolve into something else entirely. You learn such interesting stuff about people.
Broadway - The King and I
West End - Mamma Mia (also Toronto & Las Vegas)
And we are pretty and witty. Two out of three ain't bad.