I just know that r.s. is going to castigate me (I hope I have chosen the correct word; wouldn’t want to give her any ideas) for putting Open Salon in the title of this piece, but I don’t know how else to describe the content. If I said “Who Hates Whom on Hollywood Squares,” it would misrepresent the true message.
I have always been a methodical, details-oriented guy, and it has carried me far. Look at me now: writing to a usually hostile readership on Open Salon and receiving not a penny for my efforts.
But in the wake of the weekend dustup that centered on Candace’s blog attack on Matt Paust and FusunA, and Matt’s reply, I felt that my methodical self could make an important contribution to the OS archives. Some time ago I thought it would be nice to compile a volume listing the names of all OS writers and commenters, with all information known about them, and publish it as “Who’s Who on Open Salon.”
After the weekend dustup – which eventually took on the proportions of a Sahara storm – I decided that what people here would really want is a compendium of hatred. There is a lot of hatred between people on this site, perhaps in most cases between people who have never met or even spoken with each other.
The article by femme forte aka Candace, entitled “Multiple Personalities on OS,” got all this started. (See http://open.salon.com/blog/femme_forte/2012/08/10/multiple_personalities_on_os_-_shadowland_for_fun_and_profit_1) In this piece, Candace presented evidence that she feels shows that Matt Paust and FusunA, two prominent OS contributors, have used phony alternate OS accounts to attack other writers they dislike, and to boost the number of ratings they receive on their own posts.
Matt then posted a response of sorts, entitled “Kiss my candy ass,” in which he insisted that he was being bullied by Candace and many of those who left comments on her post. (See http://open.salon.com/blog/matt_paust/2012/08/12/kiss_my_candy_ass)
Both those posts received thousands of views and oodles of comments. And by and large the writers of those comments were not shy. A huge number of them have decided that they hate Matt and Fusun. Others took the opportunity to express, or renew, their hatred of other commenters.
A true compendium of hatred on OS would require far more research than I am willing to do. It would require going back and looking at every piece ever written for OS, and every comment left on those pieces. There is a rich mine of hatred to be plumbed by such research, and I hope that other researchers will add to the foundation I am establishing here.
Here, for now, is what I have determined about hatred between OSers, garnered strictly from Candace’s and Matt’s posts.
In some cases, commenters have expressed sorrow at what they feel they have learned from these posts, but have not declared outright hatred against Matt, Fusun or anyone else. I have not absorbed such comments into the hate list.
In other cases, I have found it difficult to understand exactly what it is that a commenter might really be saying. We all know that that is a common problem on OS.
It also is possible that comments that smack of hatred to me are not really intended as such. In those cases, I apologize to anyone whom I have misinterpreted, and hope you will correct me in the comments section below.
Without further ado, here is the list, with the name of the hater placed first, and the hated coming next. (It goes without saying that if someone hates someone else, the hatred carries over to any alternates the hated ones might have on OS. But I am saying it anyway.)
IN THE ORIGINAL TEXT, THERE FOLLOWED HERE A COUPLE OF DOZEN LINES OF NAMES, NAMES, NAMES. HOWEVER, SO MANY PEOPLE HAVE DECIDED, IN THE COLD LIGHT OF DAY, THAT THEY WOULD RATHER NOT HAVE THEIR NAMES INCLUDED HERE THAT I HAVE DELETED THE ENTIRE SECTION. CONSIDER IT TO BE CLASSIFIED MATERIAL.I would like to propose that these OSers be organized into two teams, with each member of each team handed a battle-axe. Let them have at the ones they hate until members of only one team are left standing. This would be an excellent way to get Open Salon into the news, which seldom happens, and it might stimulate interest among potential new OS members.
In case anyone is wondering whom I hate: I hate you all, except Tink.
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P.S.: I am getting feedback from people on the list who say their feelings in some cases do not amount to hatred. I also am keeping an eye on the continually evolving situation in the comments sections of the two posts I cited. I am making changes to the text as warranted.
P.S. 2: I have gutted -- oops, edited -- the material in this post to eliminate any suggestion that any specific person on Open Salon hates anyone else. If you like to sing while you read, may I recommend the Barney Song. I have left the rest of the text unaltered, however, because I think it was kind of funny, if I must say so myself. I have not entirely deleted the post, as one person suggested, for that reason, and also because it attracted some priceless comments that mustn't be denied to future generations.


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As pleased as I am to hear that, I wonder if you sometimes feel out of place here.
Fusun: I have no personal feelings one way or the other about her. Never had an interest in her style of interaction. It was just the mathematical curiosity of the proportion of rates and comments that made me start pulling that thread that unraveled the whole garment. I do think she has some kind of mental problem, a megalomania, something like that, and that's a type of person I stay away from. But nothing personal there, certainly nothing on the order of hatred.
Matt: I loved Matt. He was a friend. Not only that, he was someone who seemed to intelligently support my writing, who posted real responses, not tossed off hugs or hearts. I ignored Fusun's accusations about him because they did not comport with what I thought I knew. I was floored when Candace presented her evidence, wanted him to redeem himself, was willing to hear his explanation. His response turned my feelings about him to disappointment, then, when he pictured himself as the victim of a lynch mob (maybe getting some bounce from libby's piece), to contempt. But nothing bad ever happened between Matt and me, and there's no hatred there.
Arthur: I carry a secret torch, but Margaret would scratch my eyes out so it shall forever remain secret. Seriously, you and I clashed when you made an exaggerated accusation against a friend of mine. You had earned my respect at the beginning of this brouhaha, but I urge you to examine your response to Eff Muppet and ask yourself if it was fair. You don't have to know the whole history, but you can read between the lines and see she was one of Matt's victims who was driven away by the nastiness. She did not deserve your Biblical censure.
i despise behaviors that i find underhanded. i hate THAT.
i am capable of despising a behavior and not the person.
do not assume to know me or what is in my head or heart. thats rather presumptuous of you.
Sirenita and lorianne, Tell me precisely what changes you want me to make above, and I shall comply.
There are more. Let me check the archives...
this is your blog...leave it as you see fit.
I do not hate any of these people, and how dare you publish accusations otherwise. I do disagree with the way they conduct themselves, particularly when it includes maligning and hurting others. I disagree with the way the manipulate people, and now apparently, the system. Can you wrap your head around the difference, Art?
Do not presume you can tell the world how I feel. And do not mistake my anger or frustration with hatred. If you are the thoughtful gentleman you like to portray, kindly remove your accusation regarding my feelings. Or, as so many like to say around here, prove it.
I have done as you requested, and shall do so for anyone else who makes similar requests. But really, look at the language you used in addressing Matt Paust. Delicacy prevents my repeating it.
I have hated a couple of people in real life for actually doing me or loved ones harm. I hate the guy who raped a relative of mine, and if I ran across him, 40 years later, I would kill him without regret. But on the internet? What exactly can anyone do to me unless I'm trying to pretend I'm something I'm not?
Ah, but I do hate someone. K O belongs on the list, and anyone else who thinks it's cute to post people's RL names when they've chosen to use screen names. That qualifies as stalking, which is different from trolling or flaming. I've known people who have been located in their homes by online enemies. No one gets to decide if the entire internet is entitled to know my real name. The complications are endless. Fortunately, I have a very common, ambiguous name. Otherwise, it's a simple trick to learn where someone lives, who their relatives are, where they work. So keep K O on my list. Go ahead and leave Matt, since contempt is close enough. I don't hate him for deceiving me, tho, which is the issue some others are having trouble dealing with.
keep werking
soon U b on everyone's list
check is in mail
Gorlock, I was in Roswell recently and had a nice chat with your cousin.
I adored Kirk back in the day, all dashing and egomaniacal with the 'tension music' in the background every move he made : ) I even *was* Capt. Kirk one Halloween (Capt. Kirk After the Klingons Gave Him a Sex Change, that is), but found a new level of refinement to love with Picard running the ship...
What?
I'm a Libra.
I can't help it.
And oh yeah, regarding picardhater69; that bastard just got what was coming to him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ainyK6fXku0
OS fascinates me, I love to analyze it, and why not? This has been true every place where I have written. It is a natural consequence of being sentient. (not to be confused with senescent)
So please, don't let yourself be bothered all the time by this tendency of mine. It can't do you any significant harm, I don't earn a penny off it, it keeps me awake, so what's to dislike?
Didn't know anyone still cared about Hollywood Squares - or did I read this wrong? Read all I wanted anyway.
cheshyre, good one.
Really, Art? Really? I was very restrained right up until the point where it became apparent that Matt was not going to own any of his bad actions, nor was he going to apologize, to anyone. And then I used the eff word and called him what he is well-known to be.
Let's just look at the name of his coming out post. It was a full attack on Candace, and anyone who tries to pretend otherwise is deluded. Are you defending him or denying the link between his alter based attack on Candace with the blog name "candy ass" and the post titled the same in response to her finally outing him?
I can stand in any school yard and hear the eff word tossed out continuously. It's actually one of my favourite words. And it is not a death threat. You really are a delicate flower. Thank you for respecting my wishes.
FTR, the hottest star trek chick is this one:
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0647010/
Especially as that green dancing girl...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSgG5M6ANn8
Oh no, Open is a family, a great big dysfunctional family but still....
Who am I in the OS Family....CRAZY MOTHER WHO USES YOU ALL AS TAX WRITES OFF...:D'
On the whole Picard vs. Kirk --- jesus people, no contest, WORF WINS ALL!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cB5voc5-6Y
I do not hate Matt and/or Fusun.
Hating them would require me to care about them - and I do not care about them. I don't even know either of them personally.
I despise what they stand for, and what they've done. And I honestly don't see how that equates to "hating them".
Sirenita, thanks for the links, especially the one to the green dancing girl. Oh my goodness! Here's one backatcha, I hope you have a strong stomach:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hARDXYz2io
Tink; Klingons don't count! Now quick, who's the hottest Star Trek chick: Ensign Rand, the green dancing girl, Lt. Uhura, or Deanna Troi?
i was really trying, art, to be civil and respectful in my discussions with you. this post is beneath you; it's juvenile and can only have the effect of inflaming an ugly situation further. it's just not cool to write about other people - whom you don't know - and presume to speak for them. i would ask that you seriously consider taking it down. thanks.
"Oh no, principle, sir, we were just playing."
Thanks for trying to be civil and respectful in our conversations. I believe that you succeeded. I hope it wasn't too great a strain.
Look up and zero in on the boldface material in the text. The people have spoken.
:)
Okay, not really easy, I'd do all three....but you know me, I really easy, do everyone on the Enterprise!! :D
What I find actually rather amusing is how the Leftists nearly ALWAYS have to use obscenities when they hate someone.
Have fun today Art. Get ready to be called names. Here it comes.
because far too many people seem concerned about the numbers here, i think it's important to note that the current stats (8:10 p.m. PDT monday 8.13.12) are:
pausts's "Kiss My ..."
views: 2123
rates: 17
comments: 79
femme forte's
"Multiple Personalities ..."
views: 5532
rates: 68
comments: 321
from the OS cover page statistics.
thank god she's in Russia.
Good post that sets the tone right. Thanks for sharing.
The most solid evidence I got was when rita shibr told me that she "intensely disliked" me, but she didn't own up to hatred. I certainly don't think she loves me, because she didn't tell me "Fuck you."
I'm not going to be able to sleep tonight, for fretting about this troubling revelation. Was Tink in Sioux Falls too, Arthur. Was he? I have to know these tihngs! Your secrets are going to kill our new and fragile love!
And as long as you're willing to change things -
"...in the wake of the weekend dustup that centered around Candace’s blog..."
make it centered ON, not around, darling. How do you "center around" something? Maybe it can be done only after falling between the cracks.
Trig outed himself
http://open.salon.com/blog/trig_palin/2011/02/25/turns_out_we_are_related_by_marriage_to_bonnie
So cry me a river about how much you hate me. You don't know me, you don't know shit. If I had a nickle for every arm chair lawyer on this site... either get your license in Kansas or shut the fuck up.
rita shibr
For the record, I printed a poem about this "situation", you responded as above you are quoted, I then replaced the photo which was NOT real with a REAL photo of the woman sentenced to be stoned. I was referencing the situation, her sentencing to being stoned, NOT the photo. I even sent you a PM and said that the photo had been replaced to show a photo of the lady. My sentiments are about the INCIDENT - her sentencing. Whether one has a photo that is a depiction, as my original one was, OR NOT, the sentiment about the sentencing is the same and you didn't seem to get that. The INCIDENT is real.
I called you out, I think it was, for being illiberal and it was on the post I wrote along the lines of "You Stay Out of My Bedroom and I'll Stay Out of Yours".
I deleted old posts when I left OS. I've since put up new posts. Although they are meant to be funny, feel free to go and call me names there. And, by the way, I'm not a Right-Winger. But you know best I guess.
please remove my name from the first sentence of your piece, I thought it was funny but it is bringing out rats from the woodwork.
Please leave my name out of your blog from now on. I really don't know why you care so much about what I think about you. As long as people are not attacking me I will not be back, please don't come over to mine either.
I told you the ARTICLE was about a real subject. And I believed you were questioning that. I have said the photo was a DEPICTION.
BTW, I am in Russia. I never CLAIMED to be Russian. For those who have asked, I have said I live and work here. I will not, however, be sending you a passport scan.
Rita I brought UP your name because of what you said about Arthur here. AND, as I have made clear, I thought you were questioning the INCIDENT.
I don't use foul language here. I probably implied you were stupid though. But never using the Left tactic of obscenities. Bye.
Nice picture Arthur.
Also, you never really finished on that post - just cut and ran. All of the points I brought up you failed to debate. Rather typical of a good deal of the Left.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4p8qxGbpOk
BJ you attacked again: in your post you called me a stupid bitch.
Yes. Yes you did.
I have never used that term on OS but you have. Calm down. Go back to Russia and have a smoke and a Vodka. Arthur here would have deleted you for language.
Good God.
And why you assume I smoke and drink Vodka is odd. If this is a stereotyping deal, fine. Ha, ha.