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OCTOBER 13, 2009 6:44PM

A Rant for Straight Gals and Gay Guys

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 Straight men have no idea what they're talking about when it comes to women and sex and why we like what we like.  But straight men ESPECIALLY have no idea when it comes to straight women and gay men.  Stephen Marche of Esquire wrote an article about how women like vampires because we want to have sex with gay men.  ?????  REALLY?!  (I'll admit, I didn't even read the article as I forsee that it's full of generalizations and short cuts to thinking.)  But it set me off on this here rant.

This isn't about vampires.  It's about straight men who think that women are only friends with gay men because we want to turn them straight. (HA!  I dare anyone to try it.)  It is infuriating and insulting to women and gay men alike.  For women it sounds like we're delusional and can't see what's in front of us.  For gay men it sounds like they can just up and make a decision to change their sexual orientation.  We all know that a gay man doesn't wake up and is straight anymore than he wakes up and is gay.

I've been best friends with a gay guy for over 10 years, and I'm so sick of straight men who think they're enlightened when they tell me "you're never going to change him."  I should hope not.  We're best friends because of who he is, not who I want him to be. 

We met when I was 17 through a mutual friend.  He'd never been with a girl because he wasn't sure about his sexuality, and I was still a virgin, so our friend thought we'd make the perfect couple.  Which we kind of do.  It obviously did not work out romantically, but we did become friends.  We lost touch for a year or so, and then he called and needed someone to talk to.  I went to his house that night and every night after that for many years.  We've been best friends ever since.  He's hilarious and awesome and very cute.  (But no matter what he tells you, I'm the Mary.) We've lived together several times and still haven't driven each other crazy.  He can make me laugh till I cry.  The only other person who can make me laugh like that is my sister.  We can tell each other things that we wouldn't dare tell anyone else, and we know there'll be no judging.  Teasing, yes.  We can make fun of each other and not get (too) mad.  We're each other's confidants, wedding dates when needed,  shoulders to cry on, and we can watch horrible TV together that no one else will watch with us.  In short, we're what best friends are supposed to be.

But the idea of us sleeping together fills me with icky.  He's the brother I never had.  He's part of my family.  At my sister's engagement party she introduced him as our brother.  My family knows him better than my boyfriend.  I would never want him to be something he couldn't.  Even if it were something really cool, like a fire eater.  Same with him.  Even though he really wanted me to be a lesbian, I'm just not, and he's okay with that.

Now, I'll admit there are some seriously delusional ladies who really do think they can change a gay man.  And there may even be gay men who are letting the women think that way because the attention is nice and they do love those women, just not in that way.  There could be any number of scenarios.  But the majority of women who are friends with gay men are just that - friends.  He's not my accessory; he's not my little pet. He's not some bauble that I flaunt because it's hip.  Friends treat each other with respect and love each other unconditionally, like friends are supposed to, whether they're gay, straight, black, white, spooky, kooky or Chinese. 

My thought is that the men who think this way are the type of men who can't be friends with women because of the sex issue.  If you think you can't be friends with someone because there's a chance of sex, or lack thereof, then I don't want to be your friend. 

As for vampires, I do find them sexy (but in homoerotic way), but I would not want to have sex with one.  Why?  Because vampires are dead.  They are the walking dead.  Just because their skin isn't falling off and they can fight the urge to bite, unlike their zombie brethren, doesn't mean they're not just as dead.  Maybe I'm weird, but necrophilia is not sexy.

 Hey, look, we're dead

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Why is it fairly common for straight women to have gay males as friends, but one does not hear many stories of straight males becoming friends with gay females?
Vampires need love too. Now they'll just have to settle for millions of teenage girls, those poor bastards.
R.
I have had three, close friendships with women who supposedly understood and supported my homosexuality that eventually tried to seduce me, one after an almost 30-year "brother/sister" type relationship. I do know more than a few lesbians (there are a lot of lesbians on Lake Martin) who are close friends with straight men. However, it is my experience that lesbians tend to treat their gay male friends like pets, not straight women.
The vapire craze is actually about teenage Mormon girls guilt over cocksucking. Full-on intercourse is out of the question among the "Abstinence Only" crowd, so blow-jobs have become the "venial sin." Very Clintonesque, no? "I did not have sexual relations with that woman!" -- because the court defined 'sexaul elations" as full-on intercourse. Teenage Mormon girls are of course rather different from Bill and Monica. Therefore they've fetishized oral sex as vampirism.

Neat, hunh?
Gay guys are the perfect girlfriend for girls because they don't stab them in the back as much as regular girlfriends
I agree with you sister!
It looks like everyone has their own stereotypes.
Your friend sounds like fun, and exactly the kind of person I'd like for a friend.

Vampires have never quite fallen into that category for me. Not the Anne Rice Vampire, and especially not the Abercrombie and Fitch model with Fangs who sparkles in the sunlight Stephanie Meyer variety.
I found this post to be very compelling on a subject I have wanted to write about myself: friendship. Our culture appears to have lost the meaning and value of friendship, and has somehow come to believe that the sexual, romantic pairing of a man and a woman trumps, invalidates and eliminates the need for all other forms of love and connection. We need to rediscover the history, the significance and the fundamental human need for friends, as many of our cultural ills will be healed by a Renaissance of Friendship.

For those who commented on friendships between heterosexual men and lesbians, this is about as good as it gets.
I like vampires for who they are - seductive, alluring, blood-sucking dead folk. Whether they are gay or straight or whether I'm gay or straight is no matter to me.

Vampires are beyond gender.

They want me bad and that's all that matters. And their creatures of the dark. And they're cool and elegant. But dead at the same time. I'm loving them right now. As we speak.

Now that I think of it, aren't vampires the ultimate open-enders, sexually? They don't care who they suck and they don't care how they're perceived sexually. They're too primal for all this gay/straight crap. They cut straight to the heart.
I never would have thought that you were wanting to turn a gay guy straight. I would have thought that you wanted to learn how to cook.
You have to admit, ever since Lestat vampires have come across as a bit on the Gay side. Not that there's anything wrong with that. But I miss the good old fashion just for evil vampires instead of those trying to come to grips with their undead feelings.
My vampdar really sucks. ; D (My gay friends maintain that I am beyond their help.)

BTW, the only 2 vampires worth anyone's (literary) time are Bram Stoker's Dracula and Chelsea Quinn Yarbro's Saint-Germain.
And Monsieur Chariot, I agree with you.
I think that the idea that signifiers like 'vampire' or more accurately 'vampirism' have sexual content is tortured. They are instead the reflection of rather pathetically repressed lives, sexual or otherwise, needing some sort of release. Better to suggest a good social networking site or porn portal where these sorry souls can meet up with some living flesh. I find nothing gay about it, and I love boys. BOKO
I am a lesbian, and most of my really close friends are men. I have some that date back 30 years. Not one has ever made a pass at me, and we are indeed friends who share intimate details of our lives as well as many good laughs. I have some female friends who are just as important. But those guys...
Not sure I can comment as I am one of the 1% certified asexual and have lots of friends who are straight, gay, trans and all the spectrum in between. They are all just people friends. Some of them are into the goth thing and cosplay.

I think the connection to vampires in our culture is because sex sells, and the idea of a vampire, a creature that can "glamor" you into a willing victim, is alluring. It frees you of all blame for your actions because you were under the control of another.
Having said that....I've gotten hooked on True Blood. The opening song is 'smokin'!
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I agree with Monsieur Chariot as well, though will have to admit that I'm Terrible at following through. Turning into a loner [but never lonely!].

I've enjoyed a variety of relationships with gay men, and never Ever felt the nedd to "turn" them. That's just ridiculous.
oops

felt the NEED

[felt the nedd... sounds strangely erotic, that]