A Mother's Journey - Aspergers and College?

We'll just have to see where the road takes us...

AspergerMom

AspergerMom
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February 12
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Best definition of self: jack of all trades and master of none, dilletante, actress and singer wannabe, above average in most things, but excellent at few. Not Mediocre, but not overwhelmingly accomplished either. That said -- I embrace that about myself because each experience has been a stepping stone to who I am today: wife, mother, worker, and spiritual being. Each day the road travels somewhere -- sometimes good, sometimes not so good. We'll just have to see where the road takes us...

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SEPTEMBER 22, 2009 8:47PM

I Left Him By the Side of the Road - in the Pouring Rain

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Today, I left my son by the side of the road in the pouring rain.  I withdrew the offer of a car, money and support.  I am still reeling from the decision.

After much deliberation and uncertainty, my husband and I had decided to give my son our old spare car and the reimbursed tuition money received from the University after his withdrawal.  Today, before leaving for a new job training, I set out to pick up my son at his dorm-apartment to bring him home to give him the car.    As he got into the car, we chatted for a moment, and I decided to let him know that I had an envelope for him containing the University's check.  It was his - no strings attached.  It was our way, of giving him a small start to independence - the rest was up to him.

After driving along for about 5 minutes, I still needed to settle the matter of his dorm.  What were our total obligations - where were we in the process of extricating ourselves from the agreement.  He hemmed and hawed and became extremely agitated -- telling me that he was in the process of "settling the matter."  As parents and guarantors, I needed just a little more information.  I told him that I understand he was trying to work things out, my question was " what are we liable for -- what obligation do we have under the lease?"  At this he became extremely pissed and began ranting and raving  - waving his arms and telling me that he was not prepared to answer these questions.  As his rantings continued, he became increasingly irrate and verbally abusive.  He said if I didn't quit questioning him, he wanted out of the car. 

I tried to reason with him.  I was not putting him on the spot, assessing blame or even trying to make him feel bad.  I just asked a question regarding a situation for which his father and I are financially liable.

As the communication escalated.  We both simultaneously decided that he needed to get out of the car.  I'm afraid I did the unthinkable and I told him to fuck himself and that if couldn't be either respectful or grateful, he wasn't getting the car or the money.  At that, I deposited him at the side of the frontage road in the pouring rain.

I returned to the housing office and learned that he had just that day submitted his paperwork to withdraw from his apt., and that we were liable until May.  The representative felt we would had accentuating circumstances since he withdrew from the university, and would have to just pay a penalty.

I planned to follow up with the appropriate party via email and headed home after adjusting the paperwork somewhat.  On the way home, I saw my son walking back to his dorm on the side of the road and although tempted, did not stop.  I wanted to stop, I wanted to make it all right, but could not bring myself to do so.

Unless he hits rock bottom, he will never be appreciative of all of the love and support he has at his disposal.  He will continue on with his feelings of entitlement which will not take him anywhere in life.  My one regret is that I told him "fuck you".   I should never have let my anger and resentment take me to that place. 

I think he needs to figure out his priorities.  He is acting like a child who throws a tantrum when someone changes the rules of a game.  He is too stubborn to just suck it up and graciously take the hand-out.  He could've gotten a break.  He could have nodded gratefully and still done his own thing.   So, we are backing away.   I love him and forgive him for his actions - but I am no longer going to be a victim to his abusive tirades.  He can either learn to function in the real world and acquire the skills necessary to co-exist or not.  Right now -- he's the only one that has control over that. 

I guess we will just have to see where the road takes us...

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oh, hard, hard, hard stuff.

I'm sorry. I have no advice, just, sorry to hear it's so hard these days.
Lordy. Hang in there--sending good vibes.
Thanks guys. I feel horrible - like a failure. I've let me own human frailties complicate an already ultra complicated situation. Down deep, I know this was the right step -- my husband said he would have done the same thing. It is HOW I said and did it. With anger -- which, after you peel back the layers, is really just pain and hurt...
I so get that - the part about the anger responding in ways you wish you hadn't. But, you did, and really... many of us would have, too. Maybe though, this is a good time to have a talk with your son, when you're both ready, about it felt for you. He may not get it, but that you regret responding with anger, and you're sorry if it hurt him. Maybe he felt hurt, right? And if he did, is there some way he can relate that back to how his actions and words make you feel sometimes? Maybe not, but still... it's not always the worst thing for young adult children to see their parents with real human frailties and weaknesses.

Again, I know not what you're going through, really, just trying to absorb all the words you put out there for us.
Hmmm....very hard day-there's no right answer- your writing the book for so many others- FUCK YOU is harsh in your world because you operate with a high level of compassion. Aspergers kids and adults tend not to have a high level of compassion. I don't think he'll dwell it. Just apologize, even if he doesn't deserve it. You need to do it for your self as a mother who loves his son. From there it's up to him to sort it out.
I still think something traumatic happened and maybe he's angry at you or blames you in some way. He could fear and alienating himself is his way of coping.

Definitely not a failure- Far from it- Wishing you a peaceful moment...
Even moms with special places reserved in heaven occasionally pull vocabulary from hell.
Your reaction may reach him where reasoning did not. Hold steady and know we continue to read and pray for you.
How to tell you, how to REALLY tell you, the anguish it is to just let a grown child know you've had it. You deserve respect, and that you are so angry because you are so hurt they don't see all the love, concern. Perhaps it is un-tell-able. Sending thoughts your way.
Thanks all -- and JD, you always have the right words to make me feel better. BTW, I decided to text him and told him that he did not need to respond, but that I wanted to apologize for cursing at him. That I loved him and lost my temper. He texted back - "no hard feelings" - maybe a cooling down was in order ... this is such a day by day situation for me who likes things clean and tidy. Oy vey.
What's wrong with a good "fuck you" now and then? It sounded sincere. When I think about what it means - I mean, make like a college guy and, gulp, deconstruct those two words,it sounds like you were saying "I hate how I feel and I hate your role in how I got to feel this way." Oh, I'm not a parent and I've had a couple of glasses of wine tonight, so I'm sure I don't understand the crushing angst of talking to your child as you would to a betraying friend, but come on: isn't treating your kid as an independent, responsible, INDEPENDENT person the greatest gift you could give?
The hardest part about loving a child is doing exactly what you did. ANY child. I've seen too many "normal" kids turn into self-serving, ego-centric, entitled adults who have nothing -- no love, no roots, no community because their loving parents couldn't say no, couldn't make rules, never gave consequences.

If there's a chance for your son, you and your husband have given it to him. But prepare yourself, you'll probably have to do this a couple more times throughout your life -- next time I figure you'll leave out the FUCK YOU part and all you'll have to torture yourself with is how fucking hard it is to love someone enough to show them how to be a human being.

Mama birds kick baby birds out of the nest, 100 feet up in the air.
Very hard stuff, AspergerMom. I'm not a mom yet, but I am the big sister of a mooch. Not the same, but the closest I can come to.

You're not a failure. We place too much of a burden on mothers in our society and expect them to be perfect; who is? Hold to the idea that you did the right thing, even if it wasn't the way you wanted it to be.

Sending many positive thoughts and e-hugs your way. Blessings.
I have an aspergers family member who’s never been diagnosed due to his parents extreme denial. He’s over 40, has never had a job, has no friends, and rarely leaves the house. I wish someone had done for him what you’re doing for your son. Thank you for pushing him. It sounds so hard, but please remember that the alternative is much worse.
Bless you. I made a conscious decision yesterday to provide my 16 year old daughter only what I am legally obligated to provide. She has been given every chance. Her last transgression ended up with her being referred to a juvenile "diversion" program which she has made no attemtp to fulfill. She went to the mall instead of going to a court-mandated class (which I had taken time off work to get her to) and she's done maybe 6 hours of a required 25 community service hours, all of which are due 9/30. At that hearing she will be remanded back to the court system and I will not be providing any further assistance to her. What was the charge? Domestic Battery. Against me.
This is why people don't ask for help.
I just caught up from your Sept. 11 post (I went into labor with my daughter that day and only just getting back online again).

I am really sorry your son withdrew from college. That must be very disappointing and worse that he is punishing you rather than allowing you to help him find his way.

I hope that he will ultimately find his way in the world. Maybe it will take some time, maybe he can eventually pursue an education or other sort of training on a part-time, commuter basis once the dust settles. Dormitory life and a full courseload probably too overwhelming. There is perhaps a middle ground but he will probably need to find it on his own terms.

And I hope that you will find some peace.
Giving him the car and the money would probably have made you feel better temporarily, like you're still looking out for him, but he would probably be right where he is now in very little time. Because of his neurological issues, I don't think you can follow the classic tough-love approach . . . more like when he was 2, you stood back and let him fall on his ass, but tried to catch him before he fell down a flight of stairs--if you're able and he lets you.
Oh dear. I so relate to what you have said here. I too have had the vocab from hell leap out and been left to struggle with what I said in anger. I think the intent is what helps us all get thru. But when there is neuro damage, it can be heartbreaking on all fronts because who's ever there to say, that time, you did it right. I send you all my support and any strength I can spare. Plus a nice, bottomless pitcher of martinis.
Everybody says things in anger they sometimes later regret. And it is the way of things that many kids are simply pig-headed and can't tell a good thing when they see one. Sometimes they wise up. Sometimes not. But either way you can't really blame yourself for his behavior-- at least not entirely. Sometimes people don't get smart until they've hit bottom and run out of options. As rough as it sounds, if that happens it will be a good thing and a valuable learning/growing experience. But on the flip side, I think you are quite correct in limiting your exposure to his potentially disruptive behavior. Let him know you're there for him if he needs it but won't cotten to any disrespect or bad acts. If he lands in jail think twice about bailing him out. Just make sure he knows and understands that there is a pathway back into the fold and redemption if he chooses it. Growing up is sometimes hard to do.
You are not a failure. It's wonderful that you were able to get your son prepared and into college. My cousin has asperger's and did make it to college - so I know what an amazing thing you've done. If your son has chosen to reject college, then that is his choice.

Don't feel bad about being angry. You have a right to be angry and to express yourself. I understand the regret for saying "fuck you", but that one phrase is not worth more than all you have done for your son. I doubt that it will matter much in the long run.
I'm so sorry. No advice, my kids are young. I may be in your shoes some day. Hugs and good thoughts from a fellow traveler.
You are not from Detroit!

In fact I can tell you've never been near here! What's a little creative language? However, that term you used is very loving and a good thing you should have said unfuck you. Take one away!

Only one curse? My kids have pushed enough buttons to have the Viking come out to play. I just have to remember, pillage then burn.

You did the very best thing you could do for him. It wasn't until the scolding and lecturing along with the bailouts stopped that they got the clue. Frankly, after 18 Dad cut me off.

So he'll live in the dorm room until they change the locks. You will of course be liable for that. Then will come the period that he guilts his friends and lives off them until they get sick of that.

Then when it's starve and sleep in the park time the 500 pound fairy of reality will smack him in the head and say "military?" maybe a job?

The hard part for me was the stamina to resist the early return and thereby enable another bailout. It's a tough time, one was ready and flew out of the nest like a pro. The other was one of the biggest con artists and moochers I'd ever seen.
Oh Lord, this is I am sure, totally excruciating for you. Tough love is perhaps tougher on the ones who are doing the loving. Been there, done that--and eventually it works out all right. Kids at that age have to know that they will be held accountable (and won't necessarily be "bailed out") but that parents are there to help them when they fall (just like when they were 2 and fell off their trike when you helped them up, dusted them off and encouraged them to get back on rather than cry and wail).
My thoughts are with you. Just remember that hindsight is always 20/20 but you're trying to be farsighted.
i can't even imagine the depth of your emotions about this. this has got to one of the hardest things in life. my hopes and thoughts are with you. i wish i could give you a hug.

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Sometimes being a parent means making some very tough decisions. I know. You did the right thing it seems to me.
God bless you. Being a parent of any kid is tough. They have to learn to be an adult, and what you did will help him up the next rung of that "growing up" ladder. Good luck. You sound like a great mom. Try to stop beating yourself up.
I don't know, I wasn't there,

but I have a theory about parenting (or maybe human relations in general): that sometimes our bodies take over and do things that need to happen, that our rational minds weren't letting us do.

Also: have you tried these forums? http://www.conductdisorders.com/forum/index.php

Best wishes and much love.
My heart hurts for you. (It's taken me a day to even be able to read this.) I wonder if sending love and light will even make a dent, but I'm doing it in hopes...
you are doing the right thing. Next time, perhaps try to leave out the curse at him, but you are human and we have all been pushed to say something we wish we could take back. I have seen what happens when kids get bailed out all the time--they never learn to really take responsibility for their own actions. Your son has challenges and may need extra support, but do all you can to encourage him to make his own way in the world--it will be good for all involved.
It sounded sincere to me and if you've never addressed him that way before then maybe he'll get a clue that he crossed the line. He's an adult...if he can't act like one then he DOES need to be told where to get off.
And Yet suggests talking to him about how you feel. Asperger kids don't go far with that. I think the problem is that these kids never react like regular kids. I think at 17 years I am still grieving for the kid and relationship I thought I would have. All bets are off. Nothing is straightforword. They don't think straight. We can keep trying to be rational but it is slow going. Every year of maturity helps but the maturity is not coming at the same rate. You have a 10-year-old genius. don't beat yourself up. You know straight autistic kids aren't expected to be regular but these kids are so smart and pseudo articulate that they are dismissed as brats when they do their irrational and agitated decisions and scenarios. And how they push our buttons!