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JUNE 27, 2009 11:42PM

Scientology Goes on Trial in France, America is Unaware

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On May 25th, ten of the Church of Scientology's French leaders went on trial.  The ten of them, this time around, are defending against evidence and allegations that the Church of Scientology is a financially driven organization and not a non-profit church. The accusation specifically is that the "C of S" generates revenue by convincing psychologically depressed and disadvantaged individuals that they are in need of very costly spiritual healing and counseling session. This is known as "auditing".

This trial was planned to be over by June 17th. I've been waiting like a little rich kid waits for Christmas, but so far, there is no new information. I can't believe there haven't even been papparazzi swarming the exterior of the courthouse, if possible, I'd develop a blog dedicated strictly do this. Oh, that'd be glorious.

The lure of Scientology is understandable. For one, it has massive celebrity endorsement. And then it promises to not only provide such luxuries and niceties that they celebrities live in and possess, but to have complete mental healing. Elimination of all depression and anxieties - wow...what a fine target demo.

 Scientologists have been on trial in France for similar allegations five times since 1978 to now. 1978 was L. Ron Hubbard himself. He was found guily of vulgar fraud. Specifically, the defrauding and taking money from individuals, promising them health and wealth by going through the auditing program.

So as I sit here, on the edge of my seat (alright I'm in bed right now, to be fair), wondering just what the fate of Scientology in France will be. I suspect that the trial will end just as pappa L. Ron's did in 1978. The prosecution has two key witnesses. One of which was scammed out of $27,000 in two months.

The result of a "guilty" verdict would be fines and possible prison time. Best of all (and this is my giant birthday present that I'm hoping to get to tear into and enjoy) is that the Church of Scientology would be banned from doing business and existing as an entity at all in the nation of France.

France is clearly a far more secular nation than the United States. However, Americans have gestated an increasingly profound distaste for Scientology. Perhaps, as strong as that disgust France has and may take action on. Thank you, South Park, Tom Cruise, and The Celebrity Center.

Perhaps, France will pave the way for other nations (fingers crossed foolishly for the U.S.A.) to ban Scientology as well. Even better, perhaps the veil of spirituality will be lifted from other major profit driven religions. If not for judicial systems to take action, but for individuals to express lessened demand on their own.

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An interesting situation I wasn't aware of. Thanks for the writeup.
when tom cruise was bringin' the crazy, people took notice of Scientology and it got a big black eye in the states. since he's shut the heck up about it people have turned their attention elsewhere. Scientology's best strategy is to be insidious rather than obvious and evangelical.
I'm surprised I didn't read anything about this - thanks for the write up, keep updating it, please!
My sister is a Scientologist. I bet she is getting 'news' about this from them. She believes nothing from any other source. I think she still doesn't believe 9/11 happened.
most religions prey on the weak, but Scientology takes it to a whole 'nother level. Hope they get banned.
As an aside, I found it funny that the advt. now running with this post is Air France.

This is a great post, great info, and ought to be read by way more than are likely to read it here. I'd bet there are less than 1% of the "interested" public that know of this trial. I'd love to see more interest, and love to read more about the downside of Scientology; the dark side, if you will. From all I can gather, at its least, it is seductive and has left a trail of hurt bodies as it proffers its version of a "better way." Use this place, Asta, as your forum; why the hell not.

Rated.
I hope they confiscate all of the so called "Church" of Scientology assets and do something appropriate with the money. This "religion" is a huge scam. Ever check out any of the web sites set up by the children of Scientologists who later escaped? Very creepy!

It really irks me that the word science was co opted by that maniac Hubbard.
I'm very happy there is interest in this. This trial could result in massive implications to the Church of Scientology as well as other religions being acknowledged as profit driven institutions (which they are). There is very little information about the trial. Here is the article from the BBC that gives the background: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8066743.stm
i think the right to believe in stuff no one else understands is important.

heck, i'm an agnostic. i don't go to church, and i will fight my inlaws if they try to take my kids to church. but i really don't know a good way to handle scientology without screwing up the first amendment. i am troubled that in europe, they silence holocaust deniers. i'm not a holocaust denier, but i see them point to that as evidence of a coverup, which gives them some martyred by the state credibility.

i think i prefer southpark's method, relentless teasing, over any interference by the state. thanks for writing about this. it's interesting to think about.
My wish? To see Scientology driven from the world. Harsh, but it is not a religion. Since I was a child, I have been dumbfounded by the idea that so many people could fall for a scam set up by a science fiction writer. A mentally unwell science fiction writer, at that.

I was happy to see Anonymous' attacks, and hope that Anonymous France is active on this.
I hope they nail them. The Church of Scientology is practically a terrorist organization. At least to people who criticize them or try to leave. They should go to prison for racketeering among other charges liked organized terroristic threats.
Great post. So glad that it is on the cover. I too hope that the US will do the same, that is put this "religion" on trial. Trival, but I think that Scientology is what ended the Cruise/Kidman relationship. I think she rebelled!

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I have my new tennis shoes ready, my purple blanket folded like a flag and I am just waiting for Ron Paul to signal the mother ship..."We are waiting".
Thanks for the information; I didn't know about this trial, though I have followed Germany's investigation of Scientology, off and on, since the 1990s. As much as I dislike what I know about the organization, it strikes me as very difficult to make the case that Scientology is qualitatively different from some mainstream religious organizations. By design, I imagine--if you were running a scam, disguising it as a religion sounds like a smart move.
@Rob St. Amant: Therein lies the rub. As far as being a profit generating sustainable organization, it's absolutely not different from other mainstream religions.
I tend to be with bstrangely on this one. I detest Scientology and have more than a few harsh words to say about organized religion - but I also believe people have the right to make fucked-up decisions all by themselves and pay the consequences for those actions. All of the religions which guarantee salvation could be sued as there is no proof anyone ever went to heaven, much less did so because they went to one church rather than another. The Catholic Church has preyed on the desperation of the poorest and least educated, especially in 3rd world countries when even the most hungry and destitute give up what they have in the hopes of a greater glory (after death). The Vatican remains one of the richest organizations in the world, yet are thanked if Catholics set up charities on the local level. Religion, to many, is like insurance that if they pay up, the might get saved. The only thing which might make a case against scientology is if they were stating themselves as a non-profit while turning a huge profit. I suspect most organized religions would get nailed by that as well.
I hate to belabour an old aphorism but here goes... Stupid is as stupid does. Yeesh, I feel dirty just typing such a canard but Scientology leaves me kind of speechless...
This post was interesting to me, in that I used to work for this awful organization. It IS a cult, no doubt. And yes, they do take advantage of people who really want to change their lives and improve conditions on the planet. But instead are taken advantage of financially and psychologically. The C of S isn't a religion, it's a business in the business of making money. At the expense of it's staff and "public". My advice to anyone who things about joining this group, is DON'T. I worked for the organization for 4 years. I had to leave it. It did me no good. I did meet a lot of super nice people, but they too were being taken advantage of.
Fascinating. Did you read the series in the Tampa newspaper? Also excellent. Four high level exes are out with stories of abuse, manipulation, and the usual Scientology paranoia and horror.

The main difference between Sci and other religions, though, is that the Christian churches do not demand money to glean higher "knowledge." They might ask for money, give you a big guilt trip if you don't, or dangle innumerable trinkets before you in exchange for "love gifts", but nobody in any REAL church, to my knowledge, tells anybody that they have to pony up hundreds or thousands of dollars in order to advance to "the next level".

That's why Scientology is WORSE than organized religion. Because it takes people's money in exchange for their "teaching". As such, I think to call it a "religion" is just a lie. It is a self-help method, and ought to be forced to market itself as one and pay taxes like any other business. (I bet, in fact, if they went that route, they would probably make even more money, because people are usually willing to do some program for a limited time, but giving away your immortal soul, well, that's different.)

BTW, I am 100% in favor of freedom of religion, including, reluctantly, Scientology, as I truly believe that as long as some group doesn't take you out to the jungle a la Jim Jones, or abuse little kids, then adults have the right to do whatever they want, no matter how weird or dumb it seems.
To clarify: I did not mean to single out Christianity. No legitimate organized religion, whatever flavor, demands cash in order to get the secrets.
@CriticalPath: Loads of thanks for your comment. I do want to acknowledge that the C of S can indeed be harmful to children and break apart families. The lure of knowledge that must be bought is sometimes stronger than blood and makes for a crappy grade school.
People can hate the French all they want, but often, they are WAY ahead of the curve. Excellent post. Highly rated.
Amen. Scientology is a cult, plain and simple.
There should be a legal distinction between beliefs and religious organizations. Anyone should be free to believe that their soul was barfed up from a volcano on a distant planet, for example, if they wish. Another thing entirely are organizations that use belief to milk their adherents' bank accounts. If all religions were taxed -- a dollar a year, automatically returned as a rebate -- we'd see their books and be able to make a more informed judgment. Whatever yardstick we choose -- substantial contributions to legitimate charities, for example -- could be used to put predatory cults out of business. It's got nothing to do with the Bill of Rights -- belief would not be touched.
Why pick on Scientology? Sure, they're a complete and utter scam, but really - what religion isn't?

Scientology rips people off? Ever seen a "prosperity gospel" church? They promise flat-out that "God will reward you" for giving them money. Do they get banned too, or are they okay because they believe in Jesus instead of Nanu-nanu or whoever it is the Scientologists worship?

I have to agree with Mosca - the obvious solution certainly appears to be revoking the tax-free status of ALL religions, not just Scientology. If people want religion in their lives, fine - let them pay for it themselves. I've sick and tired of subsidizing stupidity.
I agree with Joe MommaSan. Take away the non-profit status of churches (and of hospitals, for that matter... because they turn a "nice" profit as well).

I'm also sick and tired of funding complete stupidity and ignorance. People can believe whatever shit they want to believe, as long as they aren't hurting someone else and aren't interfering with their lives (Hear that, Jehovah's?), but no one should have to pay for that shit if they choose not to.
I had 2 Jehovah's witnesses chase me down the street while I was on my way to work one day. When I politely told them I am not interested, they continued to harass and follow me and tell me I need to repent. I then had to resort to telling them to get the fuck out of my face. I guess they finally got the hint that I wasn't interested in talking with them.

And people wonder why I get a *bit* agitated about religions!
It amuses me when people pick on Scientology's dogma. It's as though they think turning water into wine, transubstantiation, resurrection from the dead and virgin births make more sense.

If we did away with the business of religion, we'd have to do away with the business of gambling, too. And while we're at it, might as well do away with stock markets. You pays your money and you takes your chances.

The purveyors of snake oil are legion.
To all that posted stating Scientology is no different than any other religion: In the taking money in exchange for redemption aspect, yes, definitely. My hope is that the banning of Scientology (for fraud) could lead to the taxation of other major religions and governmentally identifying them as the profit driving organizations that they are. Fingers crossed.
Oh you're just a bitter low level body thetan...
I think that there are different religions, how tolerant they are.

The religions born in the Middle East. Judaism, Christianity and Islam seem to be about the worst. Because they claim to own the truth, which is more important than anything in the world. Some people who start believing in such kind of absolute truths think that it is even better to kill the other people who don't believe, for the salvation of their souls.

Some other religions are a bit more tolerant than others.

But a fundamental problem is that we need some kind of freedom for the people to believe, and we need as well the freedom for others not to believe.

If the believers of different religions could agree together that they don't know whose belief system is the best or the most correct one, we could maybe stand such religions?
Well, that would be very interesting and would certainly turn on its head the notion of a separation between church and state.
Brave post and if you know about Scientology, then you know what I mean.
When I lived in Portland, I applied for an administrative position at an undisclosed company. When I was called for an interview and they gave me the address, I learned that it was at the Church of Scientology Portland branch. I almost called back to cancel but realized I had a once in a lifetime opportunity to see the innerworkings of this place. My "interview" included a personality test (which you can also take online thru the Scientology website) and a terrifying 30 minute video about the "religion". I was told that you don't have to be a Scientologist to work for the church but I don't know how any non-believer possibly could. It would be like asking a pro-life individual to work at an abortion clinic.
Jo - the difference is regular religions are less of a scam. You can sit through mass or sunday prayers without donating a dime. Try getting audited by scientology without paying.
Speaking of insidious, how about those CO$ ads right here on OS?