Asta Charles

Asta Charles
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Los Angeles, California, USA
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December 12
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Myth Maker
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A foul-mouthed commentator on life, society, politics, pop culture, and economics. I spend a lot of time in bars. I wrote a manuscript about the perils of online dating and its ultimate cost to society. It's not published. Meh.

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JULY 28, 2009 3:00AM

Your Atheist Children Want You to Read This

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I am an underrepresented, hated, and bastardized minority in the United States.

Republicans even hate me more than they hate illegal immigrants.

I have been kicked out of homes, commissioned to conversion, and would never be elected president by today's public.

I am white, hold a college degree, and live in a "nice" part of LA (when the meth heads have abandoned their post on our street, anyway).

I am an atheist.

I didn't set out to become an atheist. I didn't reject a god or an idea. I just am an athest. I just never did, and don't presently, believe in god. I didn't want to get the world's panties in a bunch and make people uncomfortable (though now I've kind of become accustomed to it and a bit fond of the activity). I never imagined that I would be able to go to work and listen to others speak of church while I couldn't talk about my, um, non-church (which would contain reading books about economics and working out).

It never occurred to me to believe in a god until one day when I was five years-old. I was playing with the twin girls that lived across the street from me. They were in possession of the backyard envy of the entire neighborhood - a trampoline. We were bouncing about on it, having a grand old time due to being five years-old and not giving a shit about anything except the next kool-aid serving. Then one of the girls asked me, "do you believe in god?"

I pondered this a moment. Such a question had never been asked of me. My tiny little logic feelers then asked this question to determine the answer to the question in front of me: "can you imagine what god is?" My answer to myself was a firm "no".

"No, I don't." I replied and continued my bounc-a-thon.

She then tore off across the yard and into the house screaming for her mother.

"Mooooooooooooooooooooooooooooommmmmm!!!! Asta doesn't believe in gaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwd!"

Their mother promptly drug me out of the house and across the street, plopping my ass down on my front porch. I don't believe she even explained to my mother what the issue was. Though later on I was told that she felt I was a "bad influence" because I liked The Simpsons.

At that moment, I became the target of conversion for every Christian in the neighborhood.

Nary a Friday at school passed without a local girl asking me if I would like to join them at Kiwanas or other variety of church group that coming Sunday. Feeling uncomfortable, and a bit like caged animal getting prodded with a hot poker pushed into the giant meat churner, I repeatedly declined.

Then I decided to ask my father, "what religion should I be?"

"Whatever you want. Research them, decide if anything is interesting to you."

So I did, nothing seemed interesting. It all seemed like, well, bullshit.

I couldn't understand why any large number of people would live their lives by something unprovable and would hate others that didn't agree. It seemed dumb.

I suppose it was inevitable, but at age 16 I was prompted by a cute boy (who was a devout Christian) to conduct the ultimate experiment and test of atheism: going to church regularly for a year.

At this point I legitimately wanted to believe in god. I came to think that life would be much easier if I didn't have to rely on myself all the time, but could blame things on and rely on god instead.

It didn't work. After one year of weekly church attendance (occasionally bi-weekly for some kind of phony Jesus-y basketball practice), I realized I had to get out of there as quickly as possible. I was defrauding perfectly honest and well-meaning people. I didn't believe in god. No matter how hard I tried, I absolutely could not bring myself to have faith in the magical man upstairs whom no one has ever seen or can prove existence of beyond "um the bible".

So I abandoned ship, never to consider such a thing as religion could be part of my life ever again.

I very much wish that my childhood had been a less cumbersome battle with being an atheist. Truthfully, a minority that most neighborhood parents couldn't begin to explain to their children. Gay you can explain. A difference race, of course. A different linguistic background? No problem. But atheism was impossible for the families in our neighborhood to stomach, let alone comprehend.

For faiths that claim to be open and accepting, I found them to be anything but. I felt alienated. It's not polite to bring up religion in conversation, but I wasn't necessarily good at biting my tongue when someone around me said something I found offensive to my sensibilities and logic. I pissed off a lot of people by being open about my atheism as a child and an adolescent. I'm still doing it right now...to some of you...probably.

A great sense of relief washed over me, like many a broken levee, when I read an article in the Economist about Camp Quest. Camp Quest is what I so needed and longed after as a child - the secular answer to bible camp.

Camp Quest means that kids like me don't have to exist alone and sheltered. Knowing that we are in on something big, that everyone else seems to be ignoring. We feel disbelief that "I'm really the only one that thinks this?". It's not true, kids, you're not the only one.

About Camp Quest.

I'd like to think that my parents did the best they could to create a compost heap of fertile fact and logic brewing organisms for me, and in a safe and loving environment to boot. But if I had kids today, they'd spend as much time as possible at this camp. If not just to know that they aren't alone, but to learn that they should never doubt their own logic as much as the world would like them to.

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Very well told, I am sorry there are no multiple ratings :-)

Despite the inconvenience you experienced as a child I am sure you feel you were lucky to have been raised free of indoctrination. The one sentence your quote from your father shows that not only was he an atheist, but also a natural intellectual. Who else would think about "researching" something we want to know and then go with the finding, when "common sense" holds that a pastor, or parent needs to be asked and the answer taken on belief :-)
Despite having been raised in what was considered a bible belt, the actuality on the ground (and on the playground) was that anyone who was religious was *weird*. We were an essential secular and atheist society, young and old, even tho the premier of the province was a preacher (and had, on the side, a Sunday preachin' program on the radio - but he never, to my memory, mixed religion and politics). The American scene is kinda strange to me ... (Other Canadian experience may vary...)
Me too, atheist. Damn, that feels god t say/write every time.

Can you imagine what was going through that five year old's little brain? The one who ran screaming from the trampoline? What had she been told that made her so terrified of you?

May I share one little story? A million years ago when I was 21, I was working at parks dept for a summer job, filling the wading pool, doing crafts with kids. The kids loved me, I was fun. One day a mom came up and asked me how old I was when I was saved. I asked, "Saved from what?" (I honestly had no idea what she was talking about. She took her three kids, left the park, and they didn't come back all summer. WTF?

This is a great piece and you are now one of my official OS 'favorites'. Thanks.
It is so important to have places like Camp Quest available to young minds, thanks for spreading awareness.

Generally in my part of Canada, we just didn't talk much about religion, which made it a whole lot easier to be an atheist.

I do remember one incident though, that cemented my idea that not only did God likely not even exist, but that the religious were not the best role models.

The closest church to my house had some challenges replacing a minister and they went quite a while with guest ministers until they finally found a nice young woman to take over.

Well this caused quite a stir, with the older generation mainly, but not exclusively, upset that a woman was selected.

Months later word leaked that the new minister was gay. She never gave another sermon, I never had another urge to join a church.
Hi Mark - Well that was then ... LOTS of gay women ministers now! (It's so hard to attract a minister, especially in these rural areas where they have to do a circuit of a half dozen tiny churches, each with a congregation of six elderly people, that people who want to be ministers and are willing to do it for peanuts are now welcome. Or 'welcome'.)
I get my jollies at tallmingle...oops (can't help but notice as I browse OS this week that this tallmingle sleazeball is just like god - omnipresent).

Actually, it's very interesting that the theists, the 90% of American-kind who control the military, congress, business and even the white house, are frightened by we little old atheists. Methinks they have an insecurity issue...

Boo!
Very well told. I am also an atheist, for me it was a journey...i truly lost my faith at a very young age. that would be when a priest told me my Father had gone to hell because killed himself...I was 9.

I have tried to raise my son as a free thinker and let him make up his own mind.
Had to add this "It doesn't seem to me that this fantastically marvelous universe, this tremendous range of time and space and different kinds of animals, and all the different planets, and all these atoms with all their motions, and so on, all this complicated thing can merely be a stage so that God can watch human beings struggle for good and evil — which is the view that religion has. The stage is too big for the drama." Richard Feynman
@John Ranta

Hear hear. I don't see how this universe becomes any less wonderful if you subtract god from it.
Well, now I know where my hypothetical future children will be going to summer camp. This sounds wonderful.
Myriad,

Not sure that there are “LOTS” of gay ministers now, but progress has certainly been made.

You can be sure though, that the pressure to change DID NOT come from within the church hierarchy, but rather from outside it, via the secular pressures applied throughout society for equal rights for all individuals.

Not that there were not religious people also involved very actively in this struggle, there were, but it is a truism that secular society is now influencing the morals of the churches (although very, very slowly), and not the churches driving the morals of society.
The gods I don't believe in are myriad, as well. Especially the vindictive ones.

Very well said.
It becomes so wearisome, some days, to fight off the people who are honestly distressed about your immortal soul. My mother-in-law is still fainting inside at the idea that her grandchildren will not be raised in a church setting. I am the corrupting influence who "ruined" her Christian son and "made" him an atheist.
Who knows why religious people are SOOO threatened by atheism. They sure seem to be though.
I think it has something to do with the (mistaken) notion that people who are from other religions would be easier to convert since they at least already believe in a god of sorts, but what can they do with an atheist?
And it certainly seems to me that some religious people are constantly trying to convince everyone around them to be the same as they are, as if trying to win some spiritual game.
I myself am not an atheist, nor do I really consider myself religious, either. But I do believe that the separation of church and state is a good and important thing. Also, people need to chill out and realize there are an infinite number of scary things in the world and atheists are NOT one of them.
Excellent essay. I probably would have been one of the little drones that jumped off the trampoline in horror. I was raised Catholic in a predominately Irish neighborhood. Free thinking was non existent in my cloistered little world.

By the time I reached 8th grade, the nuns had me convinced that this "Catholic thing" was total horseshit.

Thank god. I mean, thank goodness.
Excellent post - let's hear it for logical reasoning!
Good post. You know, it's because you live in America that you've felt like a minority. There are lots of atheists in Europe, I hear. ;) My grandfather's an atheist and the poor man has had to put up with his children bothering him for years to become a Christian. Interesting that all his children chose some kind of religion (a couple of them are even fanatics) when he and my grandmother hardly raised them with any.

I think everyone has their own path. No one should force his or her own beliefs/opinions on anyone else. I think we'd all learn a lot more is we listened to the stories of others.
I appreciate you writing this in more ways than I can say.

It amazes me that the religious seem to think that their biggest threats are simply people who don't believe as they. Apparently their faith is as fragile as gardenia petals.

People don't need religion.
Religion needs people.

I prefer to think for myself. This makes me more difficult to control which might just be why the non-religious are seen as a threat.
Growing up and attending a Catholic HS, I thought I would become a member of this minority too. Saw far to much insanity in Gods name, and do today. Having kids left me with options, lots of them. My kids are all heavy on science, and fact a la Medical fields. I practice faith in people, and education as any Secularistic Existentialist would do. Great post, and thank whomever for progressive thought.
Ha! I didn't even catch the unicorn pic first time around

I'd much rather believe in those than in supernatural bearded sky fairies
Thanks to everyone who found some empathy in this. There is a lot more than I had expected.

@ Patrick Daniels: I too practice faith in people, though recently, even that has been threatened by economic manipulation. So we trudge on, keeping the faith in logic even when we can't have faith in our fellow man.
What passes for Religion is simply a crutch for scared, weak, ignorant and credulous imbeciles who can't accept we came from the trees, by way of the seas, by way of the bang, we truly are The Children of the Bubble.

As Christianity in its current form is the scourge of the USA, lets be crystal clear on how ignorant its adherents are:

The Founders of the USA were firmly based on Separation of Church and State, having seen the evils of the Church(s) first-hand in Europe, and clearly felt Christians were uneducated, ignorant, credulous fools.

The notion that the Bible is NOT simply 66 "little books" a group of forging, frauding fathers of christianity threw together to appease Constantine is well- credulous and totally stupid.

Not one 1st Century reference to the son of God?

The Church is a 4th Century construct, a fill for the fall or Rome and simply the vehicle for Charlemagne to control most of Europe- to emulate Rome, as Mussolini also dreamed of.

The facts are pretty brutal- any Christian is a credulous fool. Nature is all our higher powers, we may someday make sense of her, but certainly not through forging, frauding and lies.

Get educated, being credulous is a waste of "God's" precious gifts.
If you want to be educated on this subject I strongly reccomend:

The Case for Christ: A Journalist's Personal Investigation of the Evidence for Jesus by Lee Strobel (Paperback - Sep 1, 1998)

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Cindy, I agree, the Christians who don't try to save me or judge me or meddle in my life or legislate my morality, but devote their energies to actually helping others, are the best kind. I have met such Christians, but in my personal experience they are in the minority. I am open to the idea that my personal experience may vary from objective reality, but lacking other data it is all I have to go on.
My journey has led me to know that I don't need any religion to have a strong relationship with God. I was an atheist for many years until I had a startling epiphany with my sister, but that's a whole nother story. Anywho, I completely understand where you are coming from. Sometimes, we get so caught up in the "religion" of things, we completely miss the message. I am glad you found Campquest for you and the kids. :)
@Lorelei and Cindy Ross: I do want to point out that it is not a mutually adherent statement that to be Christian means one must be moral and love humanity. Thusly implying that anyone NOT Christian is an immoral person and hates other humans. I think the common bind, between those of the religious and not that are still SANE is the love and appreciation for human kind.
Verbal Remedy:- "The gods I don't believe in are myriad, as well. Especially the vindictive ones."

I BEG your PARdon!
Asta, at the risk of employing a religious idiom, you are soo preaching to the choir!
@Cindy Ross: Because you and Lorelei seemed to be having a dialogue about the same topic. No harm intended.
I'm with you. Even as a kid, I never got why believing in improbabilities should be the default position.
"I pissed off a lot of people by being open about my atheism as a child and an adolescent. I'm still doing it right now...to some of you...probably."
Yea, probably so, but only because, like so many of the proselytizing Christians you deride, your sense of superiority is showing.