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JULY 13, 2010 7:06AM

NL All-Time All-Stars: Andy Wolfenson’s A-Z Challenge

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About a month ago, my OS baseball buddy Andy Wolfenson came up with the challenge of creating an all-star baseball team with one player representing each letter of the alphabet (original post here). I foolishly suggested an American League versus National League roster, and Andy talked me into a challenge. (That is, he mentioned it as a possibility, and I grabbed it, because it’s a lot more fun than work.) 

Having both been somewhat preoccupied by work—though Andy managed to get in some fun too—we were delayed in putting together our teams until serendipitous procrastination gave us the right arm slot for the perfect delivery point: today, the day of the real All-Star Game. 

I have the National League, and Andy the American (which is to say, twenty Yankees plus Eckersley, Ichiro, Dan Quisenberry, and Robin Yount). The rules are these (adapted from Andy’s original post): 

1.       You can only use each letter once. That means you will have to exclude two letters – one is easy, since there has never been a major leaguer whose last name begins with “x”. The other is optional.

2.       The team should be created “rotisserie baseball” style – two catchers, one 1B, one 3B, one 1B/3B, one 2B, one SS, one 2B/SS, five OFs, one OF/DH, and ten pitchers.

3.       Only use players who played most of their careers after World War II.

4.       They have to be placed in a position where they played the majority of their careers. 

Here is mine: 

C: Johnny Bench (Hall of Fame [HOF hereafter])

            Joe Torre

1B: Albert Pujols (HOF to be)

2B: Ryne Sandberg (HOF)

SS: Barry Larkin (HOF to be?)

3B: Chipper Jones (HOF to be) (Switch)

2B/SS: Chase Utley (L)

1B/3B: Ryan Zimmerman (warm body with the right letter)

OF (oh, I love this): Hank Aaron (HOF)

            Jim Edmunds (L)

            Willie Mays (HOF)

            Frank Robinson (HOF)

            Billy Williams (HOF) (L)

OF/DH: Dmitri Young (warm body with the right letter)

Starting pitchers: Steve Carlton (HOF) (L)

            Don Drysdale (HOF)

            Bob Gibson (HOF)

            Sandy Koufax (HOF) (L)

            Phil Niekro (HOF)

            Roy Oswalt

            Fernando Valenzuela (L)

Relief pitchers: John Franco (L)

            Trevor Hoffman (HOF to be)

            Jason Isringhausen 

Eleven of 24 are in the Hall of Fame, and three more are likely, with another a maybe. 

Toughest choice was Ryne Sandberg over Mike Schmidt, but going with Schmidt, my original choice, meant picking Gregg Jeffries for the bench, and I think the Sandberg/Chipper/Utley trio beats Schmidt/Utley/Jeffries. 

Next toughest was Edmunds and Drysdale over Andre Dawson and Dock Ellis. Edmunds has comparable numbers to Dawson, although it’s true that some of that has to do with his comparative longevity and the toll of Dawson’s injuries. But Drysdale is more of an upgrade over Dock than Edmunds is a downgrade from Hawk. Also, Edmunds gives me a lefty bat and a second true centerfielder. (On the other hand, not having Dawson cost me a five of a kind outfield: all Hall of Famers.) 

Pete and Barry? They are, as we use to tell the boys when they did something wrong, castigado (punished). Besides, I’ll take their alphabetical replacements (Frank Robinson and Johnny Bench) without a qualm. 

Here’s my batting order (Frank graciously moves to left to make way for Hank):

Willie Mays (CF)

Ryne Sandberg (2B)

Albert Pujols (1B)

Hank Aaron (RF)

Frank Robinson (LF)

Johnny Bench (C)

Chipper Jones (3B)

Barry Larkin (SS)

(pitcher)

If we’re using the DH, I’m DH’ing Billy Williams; Dmitri Young can pout all he wants. He’s lucky to be in the clubhouse. 

Yes, the switch-hitting Chipper is the only left-handed bat. I do believe, though, that Willie, Hank, Frank, Albert, and Johnny can handle right-handed pitching. (Hmm, three Reds in the starting lineup!) 

Leading off Willie? Well, he used to do it in All-Star Games of old, and getting him an extra at-bat a game sounds like good managing to me. Besides, with this bottom of the order, he’ll come up plenty of times with men on base. 

The starting rotation is a bit more balanced (in order):

Sandy Koufax (L)

Bob Gibson (R)

Steve Carlton (L)

Don Drysdale (R)

Phil Niekro (R) 

There you have it.

Check out Andy’s team (here) and then give a cheer (of the approving or Bronx variety) to let us know how you think we've done. And, of course, we're both open to debate the choices.

 

(For the record, absent the alpha constriction, I’d make these changes: Roy Campanella over Torre as backup catcher; Joe Morgan starting at second; Schmidt for Chipper; Sandberg and Ernie Banks as infield backups; Roberto Clemente for Edmunds; Willie Stargell as DH; and Niekro, Oswalt, Valenzuela, Isringhausen, and Franco booted in favor of Tom Seaver, Warren Spahn, Robin Roberts, Bruce Sutter, and John Smoltz. [Greg Maddux always had trouble with the big game.]) 

 

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What a bunch of thought that had to go into this list. Very creative and great choices. I cannot disagree with any of them. I will check out Andy's next. Check this one out.


http://open.salon.com/blog/t_michael_stone/2010/07/10/major_league_baseballs_first_all-booze_team check this out, it is brilliant and fun.
Wow! Great list, and very clever. I am old enough to remember most of them. R-
Pilgrim, you are my hero.

I will check out Andy's--although it's not really baseball they play over in that other league, is it? And thank you for not including the cheaters.
All great players.I'll have to check out Andy's and get back to you. I've always been an AL fan, so we'll see!
Honestly, I wouldn't change a thing. Too bad my team is still better.
Spuds: Glad you liked (dude--you were up early today!). Saw T. Mike's post. Thought it was hilarious and brilliant, indeed!

Dave: Yeah, well, it is all post-WWII.

Frank: Well, Pete didn't cheat. He just forgot how to read the sign posted in the damn clubhouse that he saw every day for, what, 25 or so years? Sheesh. (Course, the funny thing is, I grew up an AL guy.)

scanner: He has a great, great team. I'm sure you'll be happy.

Andy: As I said over at your place, you're obviously more gracious than I am. Consider this an open invitation to return and make a few tweaks if you wish.

Mark: Summer Hot Stove talk.
Woke up this morning and saw that David Ortiz had won the Home Run Derby last night. Made me smile though, of course, I didn't watch. Love the idea of this and may play a bit with a list of my own. I wonder what list my father would have made. Love this and all the memories it brings. I grew up in an AL house so I think I need to look at Andy's list now.
Wow...what a team, Pilgrim...lots of thoughtful choices...
You are clearly an expert on baseball, and I have nothing to contribute except Carl Yastrzemski is (was) a great Y.
I feel guilty trying to change anything, but if you insist:

We need to determine what constitutes "more time" in a league because if you simply use number of years, and include his time with Cleveland, then you are cheating (although, I am certain, inadvertently) with Frank Robinson. He spent more years combined in Baltimore and Cleveland than he did in Cincinnati and Los Angeles.

So I would replace Robby by plugging in a pitcher, your Phillies hometown hero, Robin Roberts, and put Hawk Dawson in the outfield (deleting Drysdale).
I feel like I'm listening to a conversation between my husband and sons (one that I have nothing to contribute). But I read the whole post because I love everything you write Pilgrim!
Also grew up in an AL house, but I'm rating you because I recognize these names.
Ditto Green Heron...I have zip to contribute, but this has me considering a Northern and Florentine Renaissance art option. (Yes, kidding-pretty sure that kind of post would just lay there forever!) This looks like great fun! :}
The All-Star game will be a bit sadder this year with the death of George Steinebrenner, the colorfuf owner of the New York Yankees.
anna: We're just children . . .

yekdeli: Sorry there aren't any Rockies! Looked at Helton, but he's tailed off the past few years.

green: Yaz he was . . . (couldn't resist).

Andy: Well, I checked baseballreference.com. It has 11 years NL, 10 years AL. I also note that he had 400 more NL ABs and a higher BA and more HR and RBI in the NL. But in truth, I just went with the bottom line on the years. But if you insist, I'll take the switch.

Karin: What can I say except thank you?

lady: Go see Andy and you'll see some familiar AL names there.

P Muse: Is Leonardo an L or a d? What about Michelangelo--M or B? Piero della Francesco? And are we only doing painters? (Ghirlandaio rather than Ghiberti?) I mean, we need rules, lady!
Outstanding, Pilgrim. And you're right. With this lineup, you could let Gibson lead off when it came his turn to pitch. Never understood why Maddux seemed to become mortal during the post-season, best pitcher I ever saw live. Off to look at Andy's AL team.
I am clueless here other than I recognize a few names...Willie Mays, Sandy Kofax and Don Drysdale and I saw Bob Gibson pitch once. I think I did. Cardinals? Right?

Congrats on the EP... the only reason I really came to comment ;-)
Man this would be an all-star game for the ages. What a tremendous mental exercise. Thanks to you and Andy for a wonderful challenge and for taking me back years and years.
Although I know zilch about American baseball, dear friend, I still found this very entertaining to read.

I know if I stay here long enough I'm bound to learn something ... a good thing, right?!
erm...okay, I think....well, ....I'm going to go have a cortadito with Mrs. P and talk orchids...
T Michael: Maddux in the postseason was one of the great mysteries to me. Like . . . I don't know, roller coasters.

Mime: 'ppreciate it!

Walter: I think we'd have to go best of seven, don't you?

Kate: If nothing else, you'd learn how an otherwise adult can get lost in nonsense.

vanessa: One year, when sitting in the bleachers in Fenway, when the lovely Mrs. and I were punching out all-star team ballots, she decided to choose on the basis of her All-Ass team. Of course, the fact that she could fill a roster meant that she had spent a fair amount of time watching . . . Ended up with a not-bad team, too. But I'd be happy to join you for that cortadito!