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AUGUST 7, 2010 7:28PM

Somebody Out There is Pissed

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OK.  I'm doing this now, on a Saturday afternoon when I could be scorching my lilly white ass on the beach out there, or tirelessly standing outside the dressing room door calling out to my mother, 'does that one look okay or should I get you something else?' ...geez.

I've been around the ol' OS house here for more than a year, give 6 months or so, and haven't been involved in much back street business because it's stoopid. Yes, really.

Awhile back folks were atwitter and there was some confabulation about 'rating' a piece of work.  That is: thumbifying, raising a thumb, monkey fingering, or planting one on the rate button at the top of a post, either before, after, or during reading and/or commenting.

There was commotion and confusion about the sequencing of recording your satisfaction, or your kiss on someone's ass, via 'read, rate, comment' vs. 'read, comment, rate' or god forbid, rate, read, comment.  I confess I didn't take it too seriously and continued to use all three approaches, which only supports my long standing assertions about having a carefree, happy-go-lucky personality.    

For me and my house, we took no nevermind because logic dictates one READ first, then after reading one would COMMENT with a witty remark, and finally - on the way out the door - one might offer a wave and a kiss by RATING one's approval and enjoyment.

Alas, higher thinking does not always prevail and I began to feel  someone much brighter than myself had presented a way to do things in the proper manner. 

Until recently, the ::click:: that serves as a request to post a comment was greeted by a pop-up into the 'Post Comment' box.  Some of you more observant folks may have noticed that's no longer the case.

The newly instituted JUMP we now receive upon requesting to offer a comment takes us on a flippy trip immediately back to the top of the page, exactamente in line with the cute little 'thumbs up' symbol, in what appears to be a calculated effort to apply a virtual elbow to the ribs and remind us it's time we weigh in with an opinion on ... whatever it is you think that button signifies. 

::click:: 'yes, this really is [fill in the blank]', it's your interpretation after all.

or ::clicklite:: which is my interpretation of the button marked 'Like' because I have no interest in an FB page, but sometimes a little like is needed. (Don't listen to me though, I clearly have no informed idea about what that's all about).

And then I suppose there is the ::noclick:: option, in which case I wouldn't have asked to comment in the first place, because I almost always 'rate' when I comment.

I do, however, reserve a personal exception on my internal crazy wheel which allows me NOT to click if I don't want to. In deference to those who are anti-list, I'll just say this quickly in a non-list-like fashion:  

*It's a free-for-all and I have a silly comment, but don't wish to be counted in the 'approval' column for the writer's opinion;

*I've already rated and can't rate again, but in my frenzy to type I click anyway and in doing so, remove the ::click:: I've already registered, thereby negating myself;

*I don't hold with your ideas at all and am going to say so in the comment I'm about to leave if I could just get to the damned comment box!

And for those of you who haven't already snored or clicked off this page...

I was taken to the woodshed this week by a friendly comrade because I had visited his post, read his post, and commented on his post and somehow he surmised (well not so much surmised as knew it for sure) that I had not rated his post, because I got the following PM from my friend,

"so gabby. if you liked my [post] and you meant what you said why didn't you rate it?"

Never having conversed by PM with this particular fellow, I responded,

"sorry [friend], I thought I did.  I've been told if it's not done in a particular order, it might not 'stick' when you leave the page but I've never gone back to check this out. Not everyone who visits rates though, [friend]. You must know that. I wouldn't dream of confronting someone about it... I'd just chalk it up to error, forgetfulness, or it didn't meet someone's rating criteria. That's life."

To which my OS friend replied,

"You've been around long enough to know better Abby. If the writers who appreciate each others work don't acknowledge it what is the purpose of the site? First the comment, then the rating. Otherwise it deteriorates to the lowest common denominator. I thank you."

After thanking him back and considering his chastisement, I'm quandryfied. 

Is it possible that the movers and shakers in the control room DIDN'T intend to send a message to their toiling subjects by prompting our delivery to the place we should be at in order to sequentially 'get it right'?

Must we proceed in the order suggested by my unhappy friend?

1) READ, 2) COMMENT, 3) then divert away from the thumb button the program has prompted us to in order to plant our comments in the box we now have to scroll to find, and 4) remember return to the top of the page to ::click:: to RATE on the way out?

I think not.   Perhaps the code prompt is smarter than we are and there is an assumption that we are too forgetful to return and rate at the end, so we are being asked to do so in the middle of the process now.  Makes sense to me. I do dislike all the scroll scrambling to get back to the Comment Box though. Seems like once we rate, those smarty pants programmers could prompt us on our way one more time, but I'd be the last person to ask. 

Emily? is there a programmer in the house?

(And for those of you wondering about my slack habits, I always attempt or intend to rate if I comment, above exceptions noted. You know what they say about good intentions though.  Hey,  don't worry, you'll probably get your wish).

 

 

 

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I'm confessing right now I often RATE FIRST on my homey's pages because I happen to feel they're consistently rock solid and if I'm in a flat, flying rush, I might not even comment -- so deal. And why the hell are folks counting to a one anyway? I know you must feel you have a very intricate and 'accurate' system going for yourself friend (you know the identity of each and every person who rates or acccckk! doesn't), but I'm not remotely interested in your web stats. I don't need to pay the Troll to get over the bridge and am already regretting the 20 minutes I'll never get back just ranting about this ... geez louise.
Read before I logged in, rated, now commenting.
If someone doesn't rate my posting, I really hope that person will make a comment so I know why I stink.
I must agree as I am sick to death of scrolling back to where I need to comment. With little time to spare most days, it sucks the fun out of commenting. I also wonder how anyone would know if I rated them or not. Would you not need to sit and stare at the computer to know this?
I'm sorry you got sideswiped...I have unchecked then rechecked more rates than I care to admit to.
Ohhhhh. I wondered why when I clicked "Post a comment" the page jumped to the top. I hadn't made the association that it was a prompt to rate before commenting. I thought it was a glitch. Shows you how savvy I am.
Gabby, I rate first and then comment as sometimes the rating dissapears.
Its pretty ridiculous..
I read what I like and who I like and rate because people put their heart and souls in there. BUT, I am pretty honest in my comments.
Of course, if the topic is something I don't care for I don't read it.
Man it's a literary jungle out there..:)
Good Post and rated with hugs.
You had a 2 there, I rated it and it went to 6. I had someone the other day do the same thing to me. He asked why I didn't rate him, and I said I thought I did. But Noooooooo, I must have done it ass-backward. So, if I'm wrong, please set me straight. You read the damn thing, you rate the thing, then you comment, is that right, or am I wrong as usual. By this, I rated you 4 times. Amazing, huh?
I wonder if this is why some people put an (r) after their comment, so they won't have to worry about getting a PM and then answering it. I used to do the (r) thing, too, but gave it up awhile back for no particular reason.

For the record, I always rate before doing anything else. If, in the rare instance I am offended by the post I can go back up and "un-rate" it. In fact, sometimes I can't remember if I rated or not, so I go back up and click, and if the number goes down by one, I click again so that it goes back up and my rate is registered. I do wish it wasn't so complicated, but, then, I wish a lot of things weren't so complicated, but, hey...
I love the way you say things, Abby. Every comment, every post.
I've noticed the jumping and just figured the OS gremlins had conducted a sit-in in the programming, but your theory makes a lot of sense. But will somebody please explain to me how somebody would know if you rated or not?
Lezlie
If I comment, I rate. It's as simple as that. Because if I don't like what someone writes, I simply move on..._RATED! (But you already knew that.)
Hadn't thought about why it now jumps you up to the rate & internet "share" feature. Which I'm guessing has something to do with $.

If someone makes a comment that obviously shows they appreciated the work that should be enough to feed our needy egos.

Now, if we were getting paid per rating I'd say rate and read as fast as you can and don't even worry about the comment.
well, ONE OF YOU STINKERS DIDN'T RATE ME. I know this because I have 9 comments and only eight ratings!!! I CAUGHT YOU SO DON'T THINK YOU CAN PLAY DING-DONG-DITCH WITH ME AND GET AWAY WITH IT!
Oh yes. I feel much better now.

Lezlie - I don't believe they can, unless it's as LL2 says and your life is so pointless that you have nothing else to do but look-reload-look again, over and over and over. maybe the person I'm referencing will stop by and fill us in.

Love you guys! What's everybody up to tonight?
I frickin hate the 'jump to the top' as soon as we hit "post a comment"...that is so irritating. And sometimes I can't remember if I've rated or not.

Who has time to keep track of who's rated before, after, during, whatever...? And, being the rebellious person I am, I'll do what I damn well feel like and in what ORDER I get around to it, too, thank you very much. I personally would like the "rating" button to sit right next to the comments (not at opposite ends of the post). And sometimes I rate a post but then don't remember if I've clicked it or not. Be nice if we have a button that changes colors once we've hit it.

I don't know about you guys, but the comments mean a lot more to me than the stupid thumb's up. I figure if someone is taking the time to write whether they like it, disagree, whatever...I've at least managed to engage someone. Good post Abby, I've had to wonder about OS protocol quite a bit since I've been here.
Yes, as I often say, if you use the scratching post, you must like it. I'm really confused when I'll get a disproportionate number of viewers who don't comment or rate.
OK, here's the deal on the rating stuff. If you click the thumb and the number goes up, you're done! Simple as that. Don't think about it ever again for the rest of your life.

OS has a caching issue so the rating doesn't always show up until the page is fully reloaded. However, that does not mean the rating did not "stick", you're just not seeing it yet. So rate in any sequence, it does not matter.
Wait -- Someone actually PM'd you to ask why you didn't rate? That's pretty damn cheeky. How does someone even know who rates and doesn't comment or who comments but doesn't rate and why would someone really care? I appreciate any interaction -- just a read/view, a comment or a rate.
Well hey, now that I know how I'm supp0sed to do it...
I've been annoyed about the jump, but wasn't clever enough to surmise the intention. Like you, if I'm going to exert my lovely fingers typing a comment (as I do now joyfully, for you), I'm definitely going to rate.

I'll admit to being somewhat chagrinned when my rate/comment count doesn't jibe. I can't help wondering who didn't rate and why. If the last comment doesn't raise your rate tally, you know exactly who dissed you. But confronting someone about it? I used to be a waitress; it would be like asking why someone didn't leave a tip. It's simply not done.
Read the first paragraph. If you like it, rate it, and move along reading. If you want to comment, add a comment. If you end up hating it, unrate. It's not like a rating costs you anything, but it does allow good writing to get a notice, and also stay up longer. That's common courtesy.
When I click, 'post a comment,' I want the comment box, not the top of the page. That's the one change that seriously annoys me.
Hi Gabi,

Never heard of you before, but loved your post --- though since I just woke up from a nap, didn't follow it completely. Just enough to understand the OS rating police pulling you over.

For the record, I clicked the thumbs up first, then came down to post the comment but it still took me all the way to the top. So me thinks that it is just a programming error and not some nefarious conspiracy to get you to click.

However, the fact that someone would actually PM you and ask why you didn't rate his post was enough to deserve a thumbs up. That kind of behavior is whacked!
I read, I rated and I'm leaving. Slightly pissed too. Not at you, Abby. ~R
@ EMDDK - Thanks for stopping in tonight. Yep, pulled over by the Ratings Police - that's a hoot!

I agree with all that have given an opinion on calling me out, it's never happened before, but FOR SHURE folks count cards here. There's an entire system, a definite way to do it (Rob Amant clued me in on one of his always informative posts), but I haven't the time or inclination to show you onlookers how O-C I REALLY AM! No, no. It's ok, I'm calm now...(hand me that bottle will ya? I need to take my pills)
::grovelling before RSA:: I meant 'Rob St. Amant', and he's very deserving of the title.
I read you first then rated because the anarchist deep inside me (stimulated by "The Sea Hawk!" on the tube now next to the monitor) always "rates" as an indication that you managed to keep my interest long enough to read it, and I want a truly classless society in here anyway.
I then always state in actual words why I rated it. If I say nothing, then I just read the whole thing, end of story.
(R)ated, mainly because I agree with the message, get over this whole "rating" thing. If you aren't posting here out of simple l'amour for creativity, then you're a fool!
Sometimes I forget to rate until I've written my comment, but I almost always remember to scroll back up and click before I post. It seems to make people happy and certainly doesn't cost me anything. I mean, I already here....
P.S. If you have "email notification" turned on it tells you when someone sends a messag, rates, or adds you as a fave, by email.
It's become difficult and annoying to rate and comment in the proper sequence, whatever that may be. I am with you, Gabby!
Fred, I'd agree with you on everything but the rates. Not that advanced here, thank goodness me.

Oryoki is right, ratings just keep it higher up in the 4 hr and 'most popular' feed a little longer. Since ratings can't be manipulated, but hits to the page can be, there are also ways to get noticed in that direction. Answering each comment one by one, for example. More total # of comments, which is tracked, and it also keeps the page in the LH feed so folks can see it and wonder what all the hubbub is on that post,... generating more views, perhaps more read+rates+comments... see? like I'm sort of doing now ;)
I like the new change, before i was constantly having to double post to get the damn rating to stick, since I was of the 'comment then rate' habit before the first code shift. This new bounce reminds me to rate first, and I'm grateful for it.

I also had someone ask me via PM to reconsider my not rating his piece. It was even weirder, cause I had rated him at the time I'd commented. If people are really feeling the need to track down who rated and who didn't- Go to their activity tab and click on ratings. It's right there whether or not they rated.
I am dumbstruck someone would have the balls to complain about that. I used to try to think up creative jokes for the end of mine that went along the lines of "Remember, every time you forget to rate a post, god kills a kitten." and some were non plussed by that, so I stopped it.

But a PM about why you hadn't rated or commented with an admonishment "knowing better"? Who the hell do they think they are?

I can't believe it. Flat out cannot believe it.
SHITE!! JULIE FIGURED IT OUT!
For all those who are not nearly as conscious as we think we are... H-Julie just pointed something important out to us. Go to the new 'activity' tab on your homepage. Click in to 'comments'. Now look to the right - see where it ways 'ratings'??? Click it. WELL NOW, don't I feel silly?
That's how someone with too much time and not much confidence in their work can figure out who has raaaaaated them and who hasn't! Voila. Amazing. I'm a little flabbergasted OS would give us this evil little tool.... hmmm, who can I stalk...don't rush me. I'm thinking.
@gwool - believe it honey. (you could always do a backward search, reconciling all my comments to my ratings and see who got left out. it seems we have the capability. who knew?)
charming, gabby, and you explained it rather well. i say, hell with them. rate, comment, read, unrate, rerate, it's my deal.
I rated this a thumb skyward solely on the weight of the coinage "quandryfied," which I loved.

The comedy of manners was frosting on the cake.
I also had a PM from someone who noticed that I did not rate...It was odd to me..It was an oversight.I now always rate first so I don't forget...and god forbid get chastised again. I think the rating thing is dumb. At least with Facebook you know who reads the status. The Like button is just letting you know that a friend read your thing (and liked it) and you too!
I suggest you get your lily white ass out on the beach tomorrow. (You said it first).

Someone has actually been PMing people and asking why they didn't get rated? Hooboy!! Perhaps we have way too much free time and some ego issues the size of a medium Balkan state?

Oh yeah - I rated you 3 times. I'll be back later to rate you again (and again and again...) Promise.

Trust things are going well.
agree...leaping to the top is a pain in the ass. I usually rate my faves first...prior to commenting...
I note sometimes that the comments on my pieces don't match the numbers of ratings, but I guess I just figure either people forgot or there was a glitch...or that maybe my piece didn't appeal to them.
but...
I try not to drive myself crazy since that's what others (mostly my students) are for. ...and I must admit, pm'ing someone to twist their arm into a rate does seem a bit out there. We're here for growth, expression and stretching our talents...with the bonus of meeting others who are here for the same reason, no? I think this was a very timely post, Abby! thanks for the heavy lifting! geez indeed! rRRRR!!!!!!!!!!! ;)
@ whomever is PMing people when they don't rate. Please PM me the next time I screw up. I promise I'll make a very public apology to you.
Now why you gotta go and tell everyone our personal conversations like that? ;)

(Just kidding if you're reading this)

All I know is you have to rate before you comment if you want it to stick. I rate first thing so I don't forget and only occasionally do I ever go back and change that fact (it has to be pretty awful, probably politically ugly, for me not to rate).

Fun ranting!
Too bad there wasn't a way to rate and comment telepathically. That would save us all some trouble! :)
AHHHAAHHHaahhahhahahhahahooohhoooohooo,....ahh...haha.. ::hick::

GRIF, my friend... that just hit me square on the funny bone. Still laughing......::chucklechucklecoughghgh:: AHHEMM! (get a grip girl). You are a funny man.

Spark honey - you can't believe what a hard time I had locating this box again just so I can say, you're safe for now (how 'bout me?) I'd hate to see Grif get hold of me in public. ahahhahahhhhoooooohhhooshees... can't stop laughing. Haaaaahhh. It's late. Maybe I'm a little slap happy. TTYL
@ PatriciaK, you can only imagine what I was thinking... this entire thing has been verrrrry interesting -- and illuminating. I'm still staggering over the big 'discovery' that we all have the ability to 'see' ratings via the new tabs that were so kindly served up to us on a platter. I'm even more amazed I didn't see it before, but that's just me, it's not something I would have been looking for. Silly me.
ohhhhooooohhsoooaaanheeeee...
@ karin - you are keeping me rolling here. I needed a good laugh. Delightful commentary of your own experience with the rate button --- which as someone just said (sort of) needs to be spoon fed. Us? not so much but the info on the ability to track ratings (yours and everyone elses) is s-i-c-k, hoooboy...now I'm off again..... ::hiccup:: too much jocularity ~ (Colonel Potter, MASH 4077th)
Nobody is going to lose their account or millions if you don't rate, or forget to rate. Just do what you feel is right. I do rate a lot, and I have some favorites that I rate all the time, but if the post does not meet my criteria I simply do not rate. However, I think comments are more important than ratings. BTW, R
Is there a programmer in the OS house?

Obviously not or we'd have some modern Internet functionality like threaded comments, comment rating and better social network integration and a smartphone version. Don't be silly.

But seriously someone PMed you about rating? Wow. That's pretty pathetic.
See if you can guess whether or not I rated.

I guess my response to the insensitive asshat would have been:

"Are you so damn shallow that you sit and WATCH WHETHER PEOPLE RATE YOUR POSTS OR NOT? Go outside. Listen to a birdie. Smell a flower. In other words: Get a Frickin' LIFE!"

I comment when I feel like commenting. I rate when I think a post deserves to be rated. And I frankly don't give a flying fuck if anyone else doesn't like the way I do it. My opinion - my choice.

Agree completely with the whole "Click-to-comment-jump-to-top" complaint. It is an easy fix for the tech-heads. And it is annoying as all get-out to plan on leaving a comment and getting thrown to the top of the post. Almost makes wanna say, "fuck it, I'm not commenting now."

Except I usually comment because I have something to say. ;-D
Then there's folk like me who will read and rate but not comment. So there's that too.

Ratings and comments (and views) don't have to be the same and anyway anyone with that much time and personal angst to actually PM about a rating would probably fast make the shortlist of skipped writers forevermore for me.
Confronting someone cause they didn't rate you? Wow. That's sorta lame. I appreciate any ratings and/or comments and I've never gone back and researched to see if specific folks rated me or not.

You've written a fun and timely rant. msp
When I look at my activity page all I see are my comments. Am I missing something? (Either way, it's strange and creepy and stupid that anyone would keep track of or research who rated and who didn't. I mean we all want views and ratings and comments but -- geesh! -- who has time to keep score and hold grudges?)
Well, I'm feeling like my daddy sitting night here was well worth staying in and playing with my OS buds tonight. Thanks to one and all for stopping by and giving me a read and a laugh in some cases. That Grif is a hoot.

@MaddieP - I really enjoy meeting and making new friends here, thanks for stopping in. I do the same thing - rate first, then read -- and on a really whacky day, may actually come back later to read! may not even comment! How nuts is that? I must be a really wild and crazy girl.

I almost feel like outing him but ehhh, it's not in my nature. If he's seen this, he knows. If he hasn't, maybe he'll PM Grif next! how funny would that be? (don't get me started again).

Good night all! and TINK: don't think I didn't notice your very conspicuous absence tonight. (missed ya buddy)
Is someone really sitting watching the front page to see who rates?
Guess I'm naive, I thought this is all about more than ratings.
I mean I was hoping...
I guess I don't hang out enough, I hadn't figured out the scroll to the top deal.
I have to admit I have rate issues. I often have to rate to see if I am removing a rating in order to determine if I have already rated.
PLUS... the rate button is sticky! Is it only me or does it sometime act as if you just aren't rubbing it quite right?!
Yes, I have done the jump up, the re-rate, etc. apparently like a bunch of other people. I did not notice you could check whom I have rated. Now the funny thing about mine is that it does not appear to be in order. Go figure. I am confused now. R
I wish there were a way for us to opt out of the ratings game without losing readership. I'm sure it's fuel for something and serves a greater purpose but I think it gets in the way.
Also, I thought I had a kooky computer - thanks for sharing the glitch misery ;D
Read it (but not all the comments). Rated it (love your sense of humor). And my comment? Glad you're on my fav list. Glad to know I'm not the only one that doesn't like being pitched back to the top of the page when I click comment. And folks should not take it so personal if someone does not rate a post. No big deal- Happy, Go-Lucky is the best way to go. Read, rate, comment - or not. Doesn't change anything in my world
I hate the jump as, since I read the same people over and over again and consistently find their work excellent, I rate before I read. The odd exception of course. I wonder if this is just a way to get the usual suspects on top of the popularity pile and away from the true meaning of the blog - to communicate. Just a thought.
I've been known to rate after only reading the first sentence!!! :D

Rated!!
Gabby, I started going to "most recent" and filtering for my favorites. Dang, my favorites are some of the smartest people here and they get views and ratings.

So I don't feel bad for rating most of what I read. I do rate first, but only for the reason that I will move on and forget to give kudos for people's hard work.

Plus, the comment feature is impossible to find these days. It's a mess.

If I really don't like it, then I can unrate.

Rated!
I think I sometimes unrate my rate because I stress out over whether I remember to rate and you click it and suddenly it jumps two numbers.

I'm only sure I got it right if I rate only. All internet sites are designed to make humans keep clicking stuff endlessly. I think I rated. Maybe.
I hit the bi-quadruple-fecta this week when I hit the rater button--I really must've shined the thing on because it went from 16 to 30 something. Stack of bibles. I went right out and bought a Lotto ticket.

Ger! -what the hell time is it where you are tonight (this morning?) thanks for the thought.

Desert_Rat - amen and pleased to make an acquaintance.

XZuma - I could swear that last line read 'and if I really don't like it, I can urinate' ... I'll second that thought.

L'huere, you got me going again with this line "All internet sites are designed to make humans keep clicking stuff endlessly" -- like lab rats. What a thought... geez.

To all who are interested (Gwool this would be you), Snarky, Scarlett, and a couple of others have admitted getting these PMs also... so I'm going to keep quiet on the public front and we are all going to soldier on politely after having had a good laugh about it. (or was that just me?) ahhhhaaahahahhahahahahhooooohoo ... hee...heeeehe. ahh. That was fun.
well, fine. now that the party's over, i find out where the hell everybody's been all night.

i'm still not convinced the jump is anything but a glitch. there's a glitch in the logon process that wasn't there before the recent s/w fuckup.

i read, then scroll back up, rate, then click to post a comment and -- yes, have to scroll back to the comment box to click on "post this comment." it's a pain but i got used to the rate/comment sequence when the ratings weren't showing up (cache problem it may be, but it's just easier to do it first than worry about it).

i never comment without rating. that's just me. i think most people do it, though, that way. call me crazy, but otherwise i'd feel like i was being snotty. if i don't want to rate something, it's crystal clear i wouldn't comment on it either. but that's probably because i don't think i've ever left a nasty comment on someone's blog. it's just not my style. i may think the nasty comment while i'm not rating and clicking onward to something worth commenting on. babble babble, she says. xoxo good rant, GA!
It's 1:25 am EDT and I'm still up. I have no life, no friends, and nothing to do so I came back. Now I'm out until tomorrow when I will rise early to begin rating my imaginary friends again. This must be some kind of DSM-IV or V or VI or whatever disorder - the obsessional need to rate for fear of being criticized. Going to take meds now. Gnite.
Read - rated - commented.
Great post and great comments here. I too can't believe that someone would PM you about a rate.
oh Femme, babble babble is my nickname too. good ramnble darling, see PM.

Grif - you old party pooper, read backwards to see how much you entertained me I tonight -- and you weren't even here! Now THAT'S a good date. Sleep tight!
I'm going to get pulled over by the Spelling Police now, clearly the Excedrin PM is kicking in based on that last attempt at a comment. I don't type while under the influence (much), so I must bow off the public stage now. G'night everybody!
Arrrgghhh, it makes me crazy that people make stuff up about how OS works, and then spread the misinformation like a virus to others.

The following has all been verified by extensive testing....

You can Rate without Commenting. Period. Anytime.

You can Comment without Rating. Period. Anytime.

It makes no difference in which order you Comment or Rate, or whether you do it in the same session. Period.

You can Comment as many times as you want, but you can only Rate once per post. Clicking the Rate button a second time Unrates, a third time Rates, a fourth time Unrates. It's called a toggle selection. If you Rate something and see the number jump up by several, it simply means others Rated the post while you were dawdling. If you are unsure if you Rated something, just click the Rate button... if the count goes up, you hadn't rated it. If the count goes down, you already had. Click it again to change it.

The Like button is not for you. It is for Facebook people to say they like a post without having to log into OS. The count is nice to look at, but it doesn't affect your stats. Just sayin'

Oh, and that Rate that doesn't seem to stick? It's an illusion, caused by latency in the system. What that means is that if you rate something, leave, then come right back, it looks like your Rate didn't stick. In truth, it just take a few moments to register in the system.

The more you know, the more you know.
i've been pm'ed about rating as well. it's annoying - like a fly is annoying. hell, i don't even send out pm's about my posts anymore because i know how it annoys me getting them. let me explore and read. i'll get to you, i promise! lol!
That newish flip IS annoying and not bc it's new--i'm ok w new typically; the flip is silly.
I do still rate at jump bc most posts would get a rate from me if only for sincere effort and I can always go back and undo the rating before I click PostThisComment. If I err, I err in encouraging writers; it's no sin. :)
Maybe it is just me, but I could care less about the ratings. I am interested in the comments. That is where I can actually get information about my writing, etc. That whole jumping thing drives me nuts. I alway put an "R" on my comments. R-
I think I agree with you but I'm confused. I did notice that clicking on comment pops you back up to the top and then scrolling back down takes a big chunk of my life expectancy.

However I like comments but really don't think about ratings. I feel like a big loser on this site so at the moment I have sub sea level expectations. Rate/don't rate...does it really matter? You tell me. I post a piece and have a good cry and (kidding) and bake a cake (kidding). And of course I HAVE NO FREAKING IDEA HOW THEY CHOSE AND EDITOR'S PICK. Is there sex involved? Or is it a lottery system. Can't be a rational decision based on content, can it?
So many questions.... like I said I write, cry and bake. Hey sounds like a book/movie title.
@ David Kinne - you're my lost twin. Much ado about nothing, thanks for your succinct clarification. I really don't give much of a ppffftt about the entire ratings system, but there is some satisfaction in seeing your numbers going up on a post - it beats a big fat 0!

@ Tichaona - I hope I spelled that right. The opt out for receiving PM alerts is hit 'reply to all', and enter your message - like 'please take me off your list you hustlers!' - or maybe that would be Tink's message, but you get the gist. Thanks for stopping.

@ Gail Marie - whatever the secret is, no one has seen fit to share it with me, but I like the Write, Cry, Bake thing...stylish.
Oh hell, I'll add my two cents worth. I agree that the return to the top of the page is annoying as hell when one is trying to post a comment.

But WTF? Berating someone because he/she hasn't rated a post? Pfffft. That's just ... insecurity speaking, or whinging, or something. I read and sometimes I comment, whereupon usually I rate, but I don't think it's mandatory.
It always made sense to me that the jump in rates is because others are reading at the same time and the rates are registering. Has this already been said? I haven't read all the comments.
Perhaps the code prompt is smarter than we are and there is an assumption that we are too forgetful to return and rate at the end, so we are being asked to do so in the middle of the process now.

I think it's always dangerous to assume that software is smarter than we are, Gabby. :-) My suspicion is that this "jumping around" behavior is something the OS developers don't see as a problem or do see it as a problem but not of high priority. But it is annoying, what I'd call a bug.

Not that you need yet another view on how people use OS, but since I'm here... I comment on some posts without rating them, rate some posts without commenting on them, read some posts all the way through without doing either. I think of rating as a signal to other readers of OS, and my rating (as it appears on the activity feed) says, "I read this post and I think it's worthwhile for others to read it as well." I think of commenting as feedback to the author, with other OS readers being only a secondary target: "I have something to say about this post." These reactions aren't always independent, but sometimes they are.

So I'll rate this post along with my comment; I recently commented on a cover post but didn't rate it, because despite my thinking it was worth a response I didn't want to raise the profile of its perspective on a particular issue; I sometimes rate posts because I think they are valuable, but I have nothing to add.
David Kinne, you are wrong.
I am using Firefox, and if I comment first, then rate, the rate will not stick when I leave the page. It's not a timing thing, it has nothing to do with time. I just tested it, and waiting five minutes did not make a difference.
"I do dislike all the scroll scrambling to get back to the Comment Box though." And I stupidly thought that something was wrong with my computer! I didn't realize the problem was pandemic. Thanks, Gabby.
gabby, thanks. i'm still figuring how os works. the info about how the pm's, etc are tied into the ratings was helpful... as well as learning HOW on earth people know whether you've rated or not.
Hi Gabby..I read and rate..you reminded me of a country song I loved along time ago, it was called"I hear tell, the road to hell, is paved with good intentions." I do not care about rates or headlines or front pages, I do this for fun, learning and sharing..I know, little miss goody 2 shoes! lol. That guy had to really be anal to pm you to scold you. Never liked competitive, social climbing crap. Good explainations though.
Rob - I must agree completely that it's a subjective expression of my personal satisfaction with the read I've just had.

It's good of you to point out that ratings are smoke signals to other readers, sending the message - 'I liked this, try it'. Unfortunately, commenting as commentary on the work has gone by the wayside as the social side of the site has grown exponentially. The very people who say they want 'useful feedback from other serious writers' are the first to kick off when they receive what they asked for. The commenter gets a good shellacking and it's off to the races.

I've gotten lazy in that it's just easier to rate and give a boost to someone who's made the effort, than it is to stop and explain why I didn't think it was worthy of a rating. ehhh.

The JUMP was here when I first stepped through the open door about 18 mos ago, but it was 'fixed' shortly thereafter. when Emily came on board and some formatting changes were made, the JUMP reappeared. Complaints haven't generated change or explanation -- in spite of the fact that it seems to irritate most everyone, making the process of R-R-C unfriendly, cumbersome, and time consuming. What intelligent site managers want that unless there's a method to the madness?

A Rating System has value to the editor's staff - I can't completely discount the possibility the JUMP is intentional but leave the door open to the thought that the OS programming staff just aren't paying attention. It's a pretty big glitch, as glitches go. It affects all of the people, all of the time.

I love our little chats Rob. You can tell Mrs. SA you have a groupie that adores you. *mwwwahh*
@ David Kinne - if Julie said it, I believe it. She's not the only one, which is how this started in the first place way back when. I treat the RRC process as you described, but I also think ratings have been lost along the way...apparently it's more important to some than others, as my PMer suggests.

@ Stellaa - monitoring ratings in the way they are currently available to us is an entirely new feature - one that many folks weren't fully aware of. It hasn't always been this way and the loss of a certain amount of anonymity is harmful to the voting process - the ballot should remain private to encourage the attitude Rob has described, and to discourage back lash. IMO.
@ Cindy P, not goody2shoes at all. You picked up on the song! and I'm afraid it's all too true if this comment thread is anything to go by - ha!
I like our chats, too, Gabby--oh, look, we're doing the community thing. :-)

I recently came across another writing site, Authonomy, which appears to be an online slush pile hosted by Harper Collins, with contributors submitting novels, critiquing the submissions of others, and collectively (via ratings) evaluating the promise of specific submissions. Some comments there seem to be very similar to comments here: it's not the quality of the piece that drives the ratings, but the networking and logrolling skills of the authors. It's kind of too bad, but I think it's inevitable on a site that supports any degree of socialization.
I always seem to miss these large OS meetings by at least a day! Darn...I feel so....unratable.

I rate, I read, I comment...in that order. It seems to work. And, like Matt, if I feel I've forgotten to rate, I'll click again to make sure.

However, after reading this and all the comments, I am significantly paranoid. Is someone watching me as I click? I'm gonna put on my shades now...scuse me..
Oh Susan, you haven't missed anything but the usual Fri and Sat night funny business. This was a good time to mention my PM about a perceived failure to rate...it was the weekend and would be good fodder for conversation. that's all that happened. Lots of conversation and some laughs. You come around next weekend and post something innocuous, or even vacuous, and you'll be the heart of party central -- which actually can be fun when people start cutting up and saying silly things. Entertainment, on the cheap.
@ Stellaa, Bless your heart honey, it sounds like you really do believe in conspiracy theories. What is a 'circle rate ring'? I fear that's way above my pay grade around here. I'm also just gonna have to disagree with you about the new activity button, much as I hate to do that. This innovation gives members the new-found ability to go through anyone's history of activity on OS on any given day, any time they want ~ completely new and a big step up from training an eye on the comment feed like a cat watching a mouse hole, which I've heard some people do, but I don't know them. If you will re-read comments, you'll catch up. Thanks for stopping!
Rating is for approval; commenting is for engaging the ideas or the craft or for explaining the reason for the approval. Counting is needy. (I do it all the time. . . . )
I rate for different reasons, not always because I'm in full agreement with any sentiments voiced in a post. Maybe I'm out of step. What else is new? Like Steve Blevins, until now I thought my decrepit computer was to blame for all the shenanigans.
I consider it a compliment if someone reads my post and comments. A rate is a bonus.