Bart Hawkins Kreps

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As an American expatriate, I struggled for 30 years with the question of whether to become a citizen of Canada. On the one hand, Canadians still must swear their fealty to a bizarre, outdated, anachronistic medieval figurehead as our "head of state". On the other hand, we Canadians can truthfully state that our monarch no longer claims the right to imprison people indefinitely without trial.

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MAY 28, 2009 5:14PM

Bipartisan lovefest in Toronto

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All right, I’m a slow learner. Until I saw the ad in the newspaper, I really didn’t get it. I didn’t really understand that if the Bush administration torture architects are brought to justice, it won’t be because of the Democratic Party, but in spite of the Democratic Party.

The sorry record of the Democratic establishment during the Bush years should have given me a clue. And the continuation of this sorry record by Barack Obama should have clinched the issue. He has made it clear that he is not interested in accountability for crimes by the Washington elite. He’s tried to preserve the “state secrets” privilege to block lawsuits by torture victims, and threatened the government of Britain if they release information on the torture of a British inmate at Guantanamo.

Just last week, Democratic senators responded to Dick Cheney’s cross-country pro-torture tour, by joining the freak-out about having alleged terrorists held in American prisons. Not to be outdone in pandering to panic, the President pledged to develop a “legal framework” for locking up people indefinitely without trial. Clearly, not much has changed in Washington: when a Republican says “Stoop!” the Democrats just ask “How low?”

And yet ... as I idly flipped through the business section of yesterday’s Toronto Star, this ad took my breath away.

Bush-Clinton ad

An “exclusive event” sponsored by a major financial institution. A cheerful, gentlemanly “conversation” between the leader of the torture administration and his Democratic predecessor, who happens to be the husband of the Secretary of State in the new administration. A chance for the corporate elite of Canada to bask in the reflected glow of power, way more power than anyone in Canada has ever held. And a chance for two wealthy men to walk away with a couple of hundred thousand dollars each.

When being a Washington insider pays that well, can we expect any of them, Republican or Democrat, to really rock the boat? 

They might quibble on some policy issues – “did deregulation of the financial markets really turn out to be a good idea?” … “is torture really a useful form of statecraft?” But when the two speakers, and their audience, walk out of the Convention Centre tomorrow evening, they will share warm feelings about the system that has rewarded them so richly.

So thank you, TD Bank Financial Group. Your exclusive event really sucks, but your ad paints a clearer picture than anything else in the newspaper.

 


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Is that a real ad? Who would not want to hear what Dubya has to say? The cool, suave, slide-a-cigar-in-you-and-you'll-dig-it Clinton versus the stubby, overheated, beady-eyed torturer? Can I get this on pay-per-view?
Why is this happening in Canada? They can't be bothered to do it in the country where they were president?
Gordon, it is a real ad. And I'd gladly join the audience, just out of curiosity, except that the cheapest tickets are $230. Parting with that much money to hear a speech is bad enough -- but I can't bear the thought of helping to further line George & Bill's pockets.

LaRae, I wonder if they would agree to a joint speaking engagement in the US. Perhaps the optics just wouldn't be right, since a big part of the game is for the two parties to carry on as if they're mortal enemies.
Just looking at that ad makes me sick. Sheesh.
Can Dubya speak Canadish? rated.
Maybe you can get a press pass an OS Writer. Others have done that successfully.
You know. Just today I was reading that "extaordinary rendition", the policy that allowed Bush to put suspected terrorists on chartered planes to have them tortured in other countries was actually brought in under the Clinton administration (e.g. Maher Arar). Do you think he's going to thank Bill for that?
Blue Roses, that was my instant reaction to the ad too.

OEsheepdog, I suppose he can speak Canadish about as well as he can speak Americanish, but I wouldn't hold that against him.

Dorinda, a press pass as an OS writer is an interesting idea, which I hadn't even considered -- but I would think press credentials for this event will be very tightly screened.

Juliet, according to a presentation last Friday by Michael Mandel of Osgoode Hall Law School, Bill Clinton did indeed start the "extraordinary rendition" policy.
Oh my. I hope the teleprompter for Bush is not turned upside down.
I understand they're preparing a nude mud-wrestling version of this event for HBO.
It never hurts to invite people to say what they have to say on topics of interest to the public.

I, for one, would not mind listening in on a conversation between these two...although I would prefer that it not be a public conversation, because I am more interested in what they really think rather than what they think they can actually say in public.

If it is real, I am amazed that there is enough money on the planet to get George W. to go up against Willie!
The Dems and the GOP are in the same club. It's as simple as that.
Obama is following the Bush-Cheney line to an astonishing degree. He has not been doing anything in any sphere decisively enough to retain my support as a liberal. All of his moves to honor his campaign promises to the liberal, and most committed, part of the Dem base have been tepid at best.

In his defense, one might claim that the power of the Military-Intelligence-Industrial-MSM complex is way too powerful for any President to carry out a liberal program. Be that as it may, I'm going to support the Green Party in my region. Expending any further effort for the Dem bag men & women is fruitless.
I'll tell you what makes me so angry about the appearance of these two gentlemen in Toronto. Recently George Galloway, the British MP, was refused entry into Canada because he assisted in getting charitable funds into the Gaza strip to help alleviate the suffering there yet not once but twice the war criminal Bush has been allowed into Canada to spew his neocon venom. How unjust is that? Bush should be arrested the moment he steps outside of the US and sent in shackles to Spain to stand trial for war crimes.
God forbid we should opt for socialism in America when fascism is working so well for us!
Nixon became a major international player after his disgraced presidency and his shameful resignation (with a pardon he pre-bought from his self-appointed, totally ineffectual successor). Clinton and much more so Bush both had disgraceful terms, but they were each elected twice (this still blows my mind, especially for Bush), were not actually impeached and provided loads of late-night TV material that kept us in stitches. OF COURSE they deserve to enjoy senior dignitary honors, and if you think about it, Democrat or not, Clinton actually belongs on the same play-bill as Bush.