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batface
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October 15
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I am not a writer. I do not enjoy writing. I like reading the posts here and have been for awhile, without commenting. I have suffered from depression since I was 19. It has been 15 years. I started on OS because I find myself gravitating to blogs about depression. I write for myself primarily. To try and understand what I am facing and where I need to go next. And because it is hard to be honest with people about how I am feeling.

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FEBRUARY 18, 2009 11:42PM

In Defense of Psychotropic Drugs

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My relationship with anti-depressants is complicated, I read widely and I know that they often perform little better than placebo. There may be long term side effects that we just don't know about yet. No one likes BIG PHARM and it is hard not to be suspicious of researchers and physicians that receive funding or other benefits from the industry. However, these pills have simply saved my life. They alllow me to function when nothing else will. (I am only on expert on my own experiences). Mild depression may remit completely with exercise and fresh food, talk therapy or simply by the passage of time. But when you are severely depressed and cannot get out of bed, it is almost impossible to recover with these methods- at least in my case.

 

My first depression occurred at 19. I was an impoverished student though financial aid made me better off than at home. I had no insurance. I couldn't afford therapy, even on a sliding scale. And to be honest I was too ashamed to go to therapy. I had been brought up to believe only truly crazy people do that. I found a nice physician who gave me free samples of Prozac for a few months and my mom scraped together some funds for a few more. The change was remarkable. I had been unable to get out of bed and would weep for hours on end. That year, I ended up studying abroad (I had never been out of my home state) and had my first boyfriend at the age of 20.

 

I ran out of the meds around Christmastime and wasn't able to get any over the holidays. I went through a light withdrawal since I hadn't tapered off - I slept for about 2 weeks straight- but after this period I felt ok. I was actually kind of relieved to be off the medication. Now I could be normal. 

 

The pattern continued. I got depressed to the point of not functioning. I sought out the cheapest therapy I could - students on a sliding scale - and when I was working I paid for a Cognitive Behavioral Therapy professional well respected in the field. I didn't drink, I didn't smoke, I ate healthy and exercised. I took my vitamins. I read self help books by the bushel. I would get to the point of no return, of no functioning, not being able to work, to interact with the world at any level and I would have no option left but anti-depressants. I was very conflicted and would discontinue as soon as possible, tapering off and under the care of a doctor.  I would also read books on the evils of pharmaceuticals, often as I consumed them.  

 

Eight years ago I started seeing a therapist-in-training who was anti-medication. He was very "new age" and believed in many alternative therapies. I was taking medication at the time at a very low dose and was a bit tired of the see sawing on and off medication. I was deeply in love with a man for the first time. But the therapist insisted I not take medication. I readily complied. I tried many of the therapies and tactics he promoted. After a while I began to get depressed. I got lower and lower. I lost my job. I lost the man I love. I almost lost my mind. 

 

I would ask him, "Should I go on medication?"  and he would say "No, not yet. You need to descend into the darkness first and then come through reborn." Yes, he actually said that. Our relationship was more like guru/ disciple. Myths figured quite heavily. 

 

I got to the point where I couldn't go on. I went to see him. He wanted to commit me to a hospital. I did one of the bravest things I have ever done. I fired him. I walked out and made an appointment with a psychiatrist. I started on Lexapro. The therapist called me many times, told me to come back. I never spoke to him again.

 

There is something called kindling. Basically each depressive episode you have increases the probability that you will have a future episode. At 4-5 prior episodes, my probability is roughly 90%. For people like me, it is better to stay on  medication than to keep going on and off. I have accepted that I will probably be on medication for the rest of my life. I am lucky. I have virtually no short term side effects and as for long term effects - well, they look better than a mental hospital or suicide whatever they end up being.

 

One thing that has been hard to accept is that I have never fully recovered from that last episode. At most I have achieved 50% remission. I've increased doses and switched medications but have never gone above 50%. The most troubling symptom is my fatigue. I can drink espresso and lie there like a log. I am an old woman in my 30s. I exercise regularly, eat well and have seen different therapists. I seem to have plateau'd out. Its been 6 years. I am 34.

 

Do I accept half a life?

 

 

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Note: I do actually have interests I would like to write about other than depression (and will do so) . I just need to get some of this down first. One of my favorite movies is Shawshank Redemption.
I love your writing and how honestly you share. I am so glad you joined OS.

I don't know enough about meds to give any advice except to say, you sound very smart and that you are very aware of your self and your needs. That's really good.

I bet we would be friends if we met. Maybe in a quiet kind of way, but still, friends.

Take care.
meds saved my life too. A half life is better than none, I think.
I have mentioned my friend before this. She is constantly cycling through different drugs in what seems to be a never ending search for just the right pharmaceutical cocktail. Sometimes she cannot sleep. Sometimes she is so sluggish that she can't function at all. She will call me (because she knows that I will listen to her) and begin ranting about ... everything! She has yet to find the drug or the peace she needs. She has attempted suicide in the past and she is afraid that she will do it again if she does not keep her appointments and try to do what they say. Sometimes she is so angry at them.

I just listen. I don't really have advice for her. Or for you. But I will listen. (rated)
Hi. What a wonderful post.

First I have to say to new blog, and to you, that taking or not taking meds is very much the choice of the individual.
I get really concerned when people tend to get into a rant about their experiences that is repetitive and not giving the listener/reader an opportunity to respond.
Your post, batface , asks some really important questions.

Do you think you might be bi-polar? Cycling in and out of states is common to bi-polar. That you describe it as episodes makes me wonder if you should see a doctor who could take all of the information - because some antidepressants are not great for bi-polar.
No matter what, depressive, bi-polar, ...these are diagnoses, yes, but they are also terms to work with. (And you may have a chemical imbalance, or a thyroid issue - lots of things can lead to depression, both physical and emotional.)
I encourage you to continue to empower yourself, as you have done by writing this post. Keep in mind that it's your body, and your life - and consult as many resources as possible to get what you need.

I hope this comment is not too bossy! I look forward to reading more of your posts.
The correct med.s are important, but the correct diagnosis is even more critical to getting better. Psychiatry is a very inexact science. I could go to 3 different doctors and get 3 different diagnosises - all of them could be wrong. My world was falling apart for a long time and the med.s I was taking actually made me worse. It wasn't until many years of misery (multiple hospitilizations) that I was correctly diagnosed and given the appropriate medications. If not for my psychotropic medications I would have killed myself a long time ago. Batface - if you've read my blog, you can see that I focus mostly on humor. However, when responding to a post like yours, I know from personal experience that there is nothing funny about the misery of untreated mental illness. Rated
Depression is not life-threatening? Hands up how many people reading this have tried to kill themselves.

Depression can be miserable but it is not the same thing as misery.

I had no quality of life before anti-depressants. They enabled me to live.

Is it a full life, a happy life? No. But as someone else said, it's better than none.
re: the therapist

This is why I like the NHS - there is no room for hippy shit. They understand clinical depression and they want to take practical steps to help you. And they would never, ever contact you once you had terminated the relationship.

There are too many loose canons in private practice, too many who are sick themselves. Your guys sounds manipulative and needy.
There are so many bad therapists. Your story makes me remember how lucky I've been. Congratulations on the escape, but cripes. Nice legacy he left you. I would hope you could get better, but I don't know. I'm familiar with that plateau myself. You're a lot younger. I wish you luck, and maybe a decent psychopharmacologist?
Getting the right diagnosis is the hardest part of all. People who suffer from depression/anxiety attacks are guinea pigs in that regard. I take a low dosage of an anti-depressant and have done for about 10 years. I've endured switching meds a few times since the one that worked best for me was taken off the market in Canada, and I've often thought about stopping. I am a high-functioning depressed person -- it's in my family on both sides -- but part of me is terrified to stop altogether now that my life is good. I can't risk having the black dogs nipping at my heels all the time.

One of my closest friends is a doctor and she has told me many times that depression is one of the few treatable mental illnesses where drugs consistently shows positive results in most people. The thought of going back to the constant anxiety, insomnia and despair that used to be my life is just not an option.
Thanks waking up, you are so sweet. I have no doubt we would be friends, and maybe even get rowdy at times ;)

And it is always nice to see you, Aunt Shelle.

new blog, I admire that you always speak up strongly for your beliefs. and I am glad you found a way that works for you.

I really believed in the therapist's approach at first but after THREE YEARS I went from bad to worse. I lost my job and my partner. Next stop, according to the therapist, was the hospital.

Everyone has a limit that they reach in the interest of self-preservation and I reached it. I had to trust myself and my gut at that point, not anyone else. Believe me, nothing was going to "reset" itself.

One thing you need to realize is that there is no one truth in this. You are an expert only on your own depression. Everyone must find their own way. As I said in the tags, YMMV- (your mileage may vary).

I cannot speak to your friend's condition or your own and I am not saying that psychoactive drugs cannot be abused or used unwisely. I no little about antipsychotics.

But I hope you can tell from my writing that I am not a zombified raped ape ;)
That should be I "know" little about antipsychotics. Had a long day ;)
Thanks for listening, Harp. I am not so much looking for advice as just a place to work out my thoughts. But support is always welcome!

I am luckier than your friend. I have a wonderful psychopharmacologist and I have not been cycling on many drugs. I have been on one drug at the same dose for the last couple years and we are considering a change.
Hi aim.
Not bossy at all!
Unfortunately/ fortunately I do not have the “highs” of bipolar I/II. The cycles I described were mostly off meds/ depressed, then on meds/ stable.
I have been pretty stable these past 6 years.
Thanks for stopping by.
Hi Closure (love that photo!- you were a cute kid)
I hope to incorporate more humor into this blog later. My life is not all gloom and doom, I just wanted to set this up as a place where I can address the "black dog".
elephant shoes/ Mumble, this guy was pretty bad. I actually think he had good intentions underneath it all but kind of had a savior complex. He was still getting his hours so most of his experience was his own depression and what had worked for him. But I was at fault too, I bought way too much into his opinion and stopped thinking for myself. It wasn't a healthy therapist/ patient relationship.

Although I described it as half a life, most days I'm glad to be here. Everybody has got there something. This just happens to be my something.
"their" something. Jesus!
Our minds are the ultimate conundrum. The ailments unprovable, the definitions of happiness and despair individual. I have learned just a little from friends who have suffered terribly but are now well adjusted, successful and happy people; I have learned that you must keep trying to find the right cocktail, and be patient.

Half a life is indeed better than none, but you must strive for the other 50%. The striving and seeking must also be a bit of a mood lifter.

Carry on, one foot in front of the other.

Cheers
Hi Batface,

Good post. It's always tempting to give advice, but everyone experiences depression differently, and you seem to have a pretty good handle on what works for you. Good luck with everything.
Hey Batface, I know I said I wouldn't give advice, but apparently that was not a true statement. :) Have you heard of Seligman's "Positive Psychotherapy" approach? One of his techniques is to have depressed people write down three good things that happen to them each day. It's surprisingly effective. I wrote a post about it here: http://open.salon.com/blog/zella/2009/02/21/three_good_things

(Not trying to pimp my post-- just didn't think it would fit here as a comment!)
Thanks Zella. I will read.

I have heard of Seligman and Positive Psych.
Hi emma
I am so thrilled you commented. I always like reading your comments on other blogs.
I think if you are doing well on that low dose you should continue if possible. I think if I had stayed on my low dose instead of going off and on, I would be better off. I have found clinical evidence to back this up.
You are right, in some ways depressives are fortunate in their course of treatment. I have read a bit about schizophrenia and other severe mental illness and the options (or lack of) can be heartbreaking.
well said, Ablonde. Thank you.
Hi Batface, your dog looks like my dog. You should do what you feel is right for you. That therapist sounds like he was testing a theory on you which seems irresponsible in the least. You sound very determined and even though it's been six years, it could turn around, do you think? Good luck to you. I take Effexor now for anxiety and don't ever want to go off of it. The anxiety was ruining relationships and keeping me from enjoying life.

OTOH, I once had a neurologist prescribe Zoloft to me and I have epilepsy. The literature on Zoloft says it's not to be prescribed to people with seizure disorders in their or their family's history. I was so mad at her, but she never admitted she had made a mistake and I terminated the relationship with her. I hate that doctors can hurt us and then blame us for not fulfilling their wishes.