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I am not a writer. I do not enjoy writing. I like reading the posts here and have been for awhile, without commenting. I have suffered from depression since I was 19. It has been 15 years. I started on OS because I find myself gravitating to blogs about depression. I write for myself primarily. To try and understand what I am facing and where I need to go next. And because it is hard to be honest with people about how I am feeling.

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MARCH 2, 2009 12:03AM

Bad therapy

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Therapy in the 21st century has lost almost all stigma. Ann Landers- or whoever writes her column now- regularly advises writers to seek therapy (often in 100 words or less). Therapy is seen as the panacea for most ills: marriage difficulties, career issues and of course- depression. But no one talks much about what happens during therapy. Or what happens when therapy ends,  Or when therapy does not help you. 

It is almost seems that after that first step of seeking help, no further advice is needed. The position of healer is sacred in our society, physician and therapist are accorded respect and still seem to have the air of magic about them.

 

I saw my first therapist when I was in college. She was an intern, earning her hours and not much older than I was. I paid her $10 a session. She almost never spoke. She was the stereotype of an analyst, I would talk for an hour and she would occasionally interject  "How did that make you feel?". I once told her I preferred more feedback but that didn't change her approach. In retrospect, I think she was very young and afraid of making mistakes. After a year she moved on and I was offered another intern therapist. I declined as my depression had not diminished  over that year. I met the new intern once but she seemed even younger and less confident.

 

I had a couple other therapists after this but the conclusion was much the same. None were as quiet as the first, but I  spoke most of the time. It was nice to have someone listen and it was useful to be accountable to someone on a regular basis but the benefits of therapy seemed limited. I felt like there was something wrong with me, I was failing therapy. I wasn't doing it right.

 

Then I met "Hugh" as I will call him.  From our first meeting I knew he was different. He had long hair and was English. He told me he had been in a famous band but had dropped out before their success. He never told me the name and I never asked. 

 

After I came back from living in the UK, I became depressed. I resettled in San Francisco, went back on SSRIs and met a wonderful man. I felt the best I ever had. But I thought in order to prevent future depression, I needed to see a therapist and get to the bottom of this. So I began to see Hugh.

 

After a year, there was nothing to report. I was enjoying my new life although I was very frustrated with my job. I felt like I wasn't getting a lot out of therapy and expressed this to Hugh. He suggested I stop taking antidepressants. I was hesitant. This was my fourth time on them and I was sick of going on and off medication. I also was relatively happy with my current life.  

 

Hugh insisted that unless I went off medication and found out exactly what was at the heart of my depression, I would suffer from depression for the rest of my life. If I stayed on medication, I would just be in maintenance mode. There would be nowhere for me to go. Those who stopped meds, who went to the dark side and survived, were warriors. They were brave. And most importantly they were depression-free.  He had seen it many times, in himself and in others. I would be Orpheus descending, Demeter entering the underworld. 

 

He was really into visualizations and other techniques. He spoke of shamanism and of taking ayahuasca in the Peruvian rain forest. He strongly recommended something called authentic movement. Basically I stood there with three other women while we moved however we felt for an hour or so. After, the woman leading the group ( I can't remember if she was a therapist or not) would comment. The other women would leap and dance around. I lay on the floor curled into a ball.  

 

He mocked my relationship with the man I loved saying it was not spiritual, that it was a happy meal when I could have filet mignon.

 

I was 26. I trusted him.  He was the expert, the professional. I wanted to be free, to be whole, to be spiritual. I stopped my meds. I descended down. I got more and more depressed. So depressed I lost my job. I lost the man I loved.

 

I asked Hugh if I should go on meds but he insisted my breakthrough was right around the corner. He advised me to go on a 10 day silent vispassna retreat. We meditated for 14 hours a day and fasted after noon. I did this for three days. On the fourth day, I had to leave due to my depression. 

 

As I explained in an earlier post, I told Hugh to go fuck himself and resumed meds. I am better than I was but I am far from whole.

 

Everyone talks about the side effects from meds. What about the side effects of bad therapy?


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Sorry it has been awhile since I last posted. I am not doing well. I wanted to write about it but I can't. I am afraid I would stop posting for good. The above is something I started when I was feeling better.
Batface - I think Hugh was full of shit. Pardon my "french". Depression can have a physiological basis, and trying to tell you that going off drugs was the way to go was down-right irresponsible in my opinion. A very dear friend of mine suffered from severe depression and went thru a slew of therapists and drugs. One psychiatrist had here on so many drugs she had a heart attack as a side effect - he turned out to be a total nut-case. Fortunately he didn't kill her with his ideas on treatment.

I hope you are able to find the right combination of medication and therapy. Just remember, there are many worse things than being on medication.

Hugs!
Truly good and effective therapists are as rare as hen's teeth.

I got far more REAL help from reading Fritz Perls and watching his videos that I ever did from hours of therapy with a psychiatrist. Not that she was bad, merely that progress seemed to be measured in millimeters.

BTW, I would recommend getting therapy only from a psychiatrist. A licensed psychologist may believe damned near anything. I knew one who thought a visit to Casadega (a Florida town renowned for it's spiritualists, mediums and channelers) was a proper field trip for psych students.
"Therapy" is a field full of bullshit. It attracts wingnuts and irresponsible people who do all sorts of damage to already hurting people. I recommend only licensed psychologists and psychiatrists - not that they can't do crap too, but the shrinks at least can prescribe meds that address physical problems like depression and bipolar, etc.

Take care who you entrust your psyche to...
I have heard of many harmful therapy experiences with psychologists and psychiatrists. One psychiatrist had me on two meds that were contraindicated - it raised my chance of stroke by around 1,000 percent. My pharmacist refused to fill the two drugs together. Many of the best therapists I have worked with were actually social workers with backgrounds in counseling and years of counseling experience. The PHD or MD behind the name is a poor indicator of the quality of the therapist. Word of mouth is sometimes the best way to get a referral for a competent therapist. I agree with you. The fallout from a bad therapy experience can be painful. You deserve the best treatment available. Please send me a PM anytime.
I think bad therapy is more damaging than no therapy. And that's why I'm stuck in a no-therapy phase. Well, that and inertia.

Bad therapy takes a long time to get over- those words ring in your ears over and over don't they? Yuck.

I'm sorry this happened to you, sweetie. Very.

Glad you posted again.

xo
I've had a range of experiences with therapists going from somewhat useless to very helpful, and in that order, so I've been lucky. I'm wondering if you have had any good therapists. It sounds like maybe not? One thing I know is that the best meds can't hold back the worst depressions. Good therapy is sort of crucial. It's also a huge amount of work, and you can't do it without a good therapist, of course.

If you haven't had any good therapists, I'd be interested to hear what the "best" one was like. I wish there weren't so many truly damaged people going into the field with the idea that they were going to save themselves by doing so. It doesn't always follow.
So sorry to hear you're not doing well, batface. We've missed you and hope for better things for you soon.

Good for you for telling that therapist off. I'm so sorry for the pain you endured to get there, though.
Hugh sounds like a horrid man aside from being a destructive therapist. I'm glad you told him to go fuck himself. You sound very strong, but I know that can take its toll. I am so very sorry to hear that you're not doing well. Just keep-a-going, that's all you can do.
I'm sorry you're not feeling well.

I can really relate to your experience with Hugh. Spirituality is a central concern in my life, which has frequently made me vulnerable to people who use 'spiritual' rhetoric, and sometimes a certain amount of clairvoyance, to try to control and manipulate others. Not only do these people fail to respect or understand boundaries, but they're very good at making you feel guilty for establishing your boundaries, and insisting on taking your own spiritual path.

I think it's important to know in your bones that there is no one correct way to live a 'spiritual' life; that spirituality is not about the externals--the meditation, the diet, the mantras, the avoidance of drugs--but just about experiencing all of life with reverence and awe. I had a friend who used to say, when I was in the blackest of despairing moments, "This is a holy moment." And it was. They're all holy moments.

It sounds to me like you are still grieving the loss of your relationship, with very good reason. Not only did you lose your love, you lost it through betrayal--betrayal by Hugh, whom you trusted. You assumed he had your best interests at heart. And instead of guiding you into the light, he imposed his own agenda on your life, ignored and dismissed your suffering, and steered you into a ditch.

Good for you for telling him to go fuck himself. Good for you for establishing your boundaries and reclaiming your own life. Good for you for being brave enough to open this can of worms, by writing about it.

In my experience, a huge range of things can be therapeutic, and they're mix and match. As a bodyworker, I know that traumas can be stored in your physical body, and can't be released by talk therapy; sometimes dance can help, or massage, or Reiki. Writing and getting responses, like you're doing now, can help amazingly.

Hang in there, you're doing great.
so sorry batface. I have been where you are. Therapy is supposed to help and not hurt. I was lucky and found, out here in the middle of nowhere, a totally withit therapist. I've also had some real nutcases.

Hang in there, and find something, anything you like to do to get your presence in your frontal cortex. Drawing or doing something... not well, mind you... we're not talking about being a superstar here... visual journaling, something.

Also, keep in mind a therapists first job is to teach you how to function without him or her. Sort of like parenting or teaching... it is a delicate balance.

Hugs...
Thank you all! It is so nice to have support and comments.
I just want to say that despite his failings I think "Hugh" had the best of intentions. He was inexperienced and I think he fell into the ego trap of being someone's "savior". He tried to use what had worked for his own depression. Hugh seemed dumbfounded by my reaction. I hope he learned from what happened. I know I did. I learned not to put my trust so completely in any expert and to never stop thinking for myself.

I do not see a therapist presently but I have a pretty cool psychiatrist and we talk about more than just medication.

And I do believe there are good therapists out there. But trying to find the right one can be like trying to find a needle in a haystack. especially if you don't have a lot of disposable income- kinda like dating ;) I suppose.

I think I have a sort of depression that responds better to meds than talk therapy, at least currently. I know there are those out there who have received tremendous benefit from therapy and I am jealous!
The irony of therapy is that the therapist knows very little about you as a person. The best therapists are friends and family with some measure of understanding.
Mumbletypeg: The best was one I saw in the UK for a few months. She was through a charity so it was cheap but I think she was fully trained. She listened but also provided feedback which I liked. I do think that my depression has been helped more by meds. That may just be the kind of depression I have or perhaps its because I do a lot of work on my own.
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Thanks Pretty Lady. I have found body work to be helpful especially massage and yoga. I am also very interested in Rolfing. You are right, in a way I went through a second breakup with Hugh and in some ways it was even more painful than the end of my relationship.

Hi Esse Est Percipi,
Unfortunately I have not found that to be the case. Often friends and family are invested in your outcome and cannot be objective - at least in my life. If you have found otherwise, you are a lucky man.
Umm.

So, speaking as a therapist....(do I dare do that here?!):

I second the idea that often the best therapists are master's level clinicians--social workers, counselors, therapists. Make sure the person is licensed in the state in which s/he is working. Some states don't require licensure to call yourself a therapist or a counselor--Oregon is one of them--so ask what their credentials are.

Pyschiatrists and psychologists can be great. They can also have that god complex that sometimes comes with doctorates. I'm glad you seem to have found a good one.

The most effective talk-therapy for depression and anxiety disorders, hands-down, is Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT). This is primarily the approach I use. I don't have use for psychoanalysis: My clients don't want to explore the primal trauma, they want to feel better. And I don't want to be Woody Allen's therapist--therapy twice a week for decades, and he's still a mess! No, I want my clients to get better and get back to their lives.

CBT is a very proactive approach. There's education, education, and more education; and homework, homework, and more homework. It basically helps you to change destructive, irrational thought patterns that contribute to depression and anxiety. It can be very, very effective when used well. You may look at the "root" of the problem, but it's for educational reasons (e.g., people with your history tend to have these experiences in later years) vs just crawling around in the muck.

Hugh was an idiot. Yes, I'm sure he meant well, but you could very easily have sued him for malpractice, and you likely would have won. He was pushing his own agenda instead of thinking about what was best for you. If you have had multiple clinical depressions, and been on medication multiple times, then chances are pretty damn good that you have a strong biochemical aspect to your depression, which means it IS going to come back if you go off your meds. A first-year grad student should know that much.

Sorry, this is jumping from topic to topic, I'm trying to make sure I get everything in that I wanted to say.

Best bet would be to ask your Psych for a therapy referral. Most Psychs have therapists in the community that they work with regularly, and they get a sense of the good vs bad ones.

I hope you find someone who's a much better match for your needs. And for god's sake, stay on the meds! :)
I feel angry on your behalf.
Hope you've come through this and are feeling better by now. As another one duped by a psychotherapist, I understand the disorientation and disillusion. I think you're very astute though, seeing the guy saw himself as a savior driven by his own ego.

The more removed I am from my experience the more I think the whole enterprise is snake oil. Living...finding oneself in work...love...friendship...community can be damned painful sometimes. For anyone. These therapists make us feel there's something broken about us that needs fixing when we're merely just part of the human race. Therapy too often encourages us to think these people have some secret that will "fix" us. They're no more real than imaginary gnomes.

If you can't find a good therapist, I think there are many roads to healing...be it movement, art, friendships, or the wisdom gained just learning how to live better.

From your observations, sounds like you have a grasp on the situation. I've found, like the song says, the answers lie within.
What about the side effects of bad therapy! ??? For the first eight years, I couldnt concentrate enough to read. I was a degree level student before, reading two non fiction paperbacks a week and really enjoying myself. Now I couldnt even read an empty newspaper like the Sun. I couldnt take the words off the page and make them make sense.

All I could do was go over and over the events of bad therapy and I felt so angry my main concern every day was not to go to his office and do something violent.

That was in 1970. I got my degree, just but I couldnt get over what happened to me. At the time, there was no one I could take to because no one believed therapy abuse happened and when I finally got information on PTSD, I couldnt say I had it because it was only thought to have been caused by physical abuse.

Remember, this was the UK, not the USA, so we were a bit hehind the door. Also, as I was only thinking slowly and not remembering, I couldnt read a lot and I couldnt cope with legal or medical interviews because I couldnt remember what to say.

Now, I still cant concentrate as well as I could before, I still dont have the same ability to have physical sensation. I have t ried some other therapiest, and I am currently doing Mindfulness meditaiton.