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JUNE 14, 2010 3:18PM

"Discovery" in Afghanistan? Nothing new, just propaganda

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If you really believe the breathless propaganda from the NY Times that the Army only recently "discovered" vast mineral deposits in Afghanistan, I have an oil free estuary in Louisiana to sell you. 

 You also need to read these:

No, U.S. Didn’t Just ‘Discover’ $1T Afghan Motherlode (Updated) [Wired]


and

The Mineral Miracle? Or a Massive Information Operation? [Atlantic]


and

Afghanistan's mineral find and the Washington clock [Politico]

The public is starting to wake up and realize that hope and change is really just more perpetual war and lies, so of course the riches of Afghanistan are "discovered" to stiffen our greedy resolve.

Never mind that we've known about the minerals since the days of our proxy war against the USSR in the 1970s.  Read the first linked article and learn how American geologists have been working with the pentagon for over 25 years on this and have even published books on the mineral wealth there.

For those too lazy to click over, here is the salient quote from Wired:

One retired senior U.S official is calling the government’s mineral announcement “pretty silly,” Politico is reporting. “When I was living in Kabul in the early 1970s the [U.S. government], the Russians, the World Bank, the U.N. and others were all highly focused on the wide range of Afghan mineral deposits. Cheap ways of moving the ore to ocean ports has always been the limiting factor.”

At least two American geologists have been advising the Pentagon on Afghanistan’s wealth of mineral resources for years. Bonita Chamberlin, a geologist who spent 25 years working in Afghanistan, “identified 91 minerals, metals and gems at 1,407 potential mining sites,” the Los Angeles Times reported in 2001. She even wrote a book, “Gemstones in Afghanistan,” on the topic. And Chamberlin worked directly with the Pentagon, after they commissioned her to report on sandstone and limestone caves mere weeks after 9/11.

“I am quite surprised that the military is announcing this as some ‘new’ and ’surprising” discovery,’ she told Danger Room in an e-mail. “This is NOT new. Perhaps this also hints at the real reason why we would be so intent on this war.”

And Jack Shroder, a geologist at the University of Nebraska, told the Associated Press in 2001 that mineral deposits in Afghanistan were so rich, they could be vital in rebuilding the country. He’s collaborated with Pentagon officials since the 1970s, when he worked on mapping the country. In 2002, Shroder was approached by several American companies who hoped to start mining the country.

 

How stupid does Obama's administration think we are?

How does massive mineral wealth make our unjustified war  moral or legal?

Killing for minerals is just as evil as killing for oil.

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How stupid does Obama's administration think we are? I am not sure this applies to this particular post. There are certainly other more qualified actions that can elicit this question.

How does massive mineral wealth make our unjustified war moral or legal? This war began under a different president. It is unjustified, continues to be unjustified. As for moral, that is relative to the person. Legal, I believe our stupid Congress voted to make this legal under the previous president. Think it was about that pipeline that was denied to the US prior to 9/11?

Killing for minerals is just as evil as killing for oil. Blood diamonds? Children mining for emeralds? I agree with you. But again this idea is not limited to one country. It is a worldwide issue. I would even argue that coal, strip mining mountain tops, is simply evil too.
I read about this months ago on how they had minerals needed for computer parts. But Obama knows we are a stupid and greedy people and that this will sell well. I don't believe we are waking up but like all liars Obama fears that we might.
Damn, I knew it was too good to be true.
Pretty rocks will make it all OK!
They don't have oil, but they do have access to trillions in oil with the pipeline that has to cross their country to ship it out.
Amazing. I really did not know anything about Afghani minerals. So now we have a "reason" to stay and kill some more people?
It just never stops.

Thanks for posting the other side of the story.
"How stupid does Obama's administration think we are?"

Actually they probably have a very accurate opinion about that particular issue, and in honor of the fearless poster Behind Blue Eyes I have selected his page for an update of P.T. Barnum's ancient aphorism...

Nobody ever lost an election by underestimating the intelligence of the American public.
Great work BBE!

Though I feel that all war is essentially illegal and immoral, I also feel that illegal and immoral are often irrelevant when greed and need enter into the picture.

Then again I am not of the belief that these 'resources' have anything to do with why we're there.

That's a story for another fire, though.

As for minerals, we take, we rape and we don't stop until there's nothing left.

Before I go off on some kind of insane rant, let me merely end with well done.

Rated.
We knew of the mineral deposits in Afghanistan during world war two. Lithium was in demand and it took India to get at it in those days. We spent a lot of human capital keeping a route to the place open for us (the Allies) to assure access to it if the need became urgent.
The NYT article in question was hardly "breathless" in its reporting. The opening paragraphs may be accepting government statements as factual, but the remainder of the article questions whether the government's good-news spin is justified. It addresses the difficulties of creating an industry from scratch and assumes that a variety of states, most notably the U.S. and China, will jockey for power in the region. Instead of questioning the timing of the reports, James Risen questions the spin.

In addition, where are people getting the idea that this "news" is meant to justify the war? The administration is attempting to combat the idea that Afghanistan has no hope of becoming more than a fractured war-torn region. This news is meant to give us a sci-fi vision of a future, prosperous Afghanistan. Of course it's nonsense. I'd submit the Congo as a more likely model for a future mineral-rich Afghanistan. Still, building the case that Afghanistan has a hopeful future is not about justification. The administration has already made their case for the war, they simply want enough support to continue it.
I don't think anyone really believes that this is new news, the reality of the Afghan mineral wealth has been known to the Russians, Chinese and Americans for at least a decade. If anything, it's the answer to the question "what the hell are we doing over there anyway". The real answer is not chasing a bunch of third-rate terrorists through a labyrinth of caves. This is much older than Obama. Monkey fingered...
It will be interesting to see what happens with all of this!

This old news, re-packagedn has got to be good for at least a 1,000 soldiers life's!
At the end of the day we just have to admit that anyone who manages to ascend into a position of global power is inevitably supported by some kind of corruptive force(s) looming behind the scenes. That's why I though Avatar had such a poignant message at the core. Kill, destroy, lie, infiltrate, conquer -- it's all in the name of capitalist greed, and the thirst for dominance. It was sad for a moment in time to believe that Obama could have picked up where Martin Luther King or JFK left off. He might have been somewhat 'independent' coming to the platform, but he has inevitably become a government puppet - struggling to please and keep all the other corruptive forces in business so they don't pull the plug on him. The documentary 'Why We Fight' says it all. War is a very lucrative business!! If Obama runs again his new campaign message should just be 'Show Me The Money!' Please check out my e-zine www.IndieWomanMag.com, and read up on some of the more positive things I focus on like sustainability, making a difference, social and environmental awareness, and inspirational role models. Good to be on here!
Damn, you mean there's no oil in Afghanistan?

Thumbed.
The government think most peoples in the world are idiots and believe whatever the feed us. Unfortunately, it's true that majority of people will believe them and that's good enough for them.

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Larry
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No wonder lot of article regarding Afghanistant will come up because the reason for war is not make sense and really smell fishy, not about fighting terrorist but takes money that buried in the land of Afghanistant

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