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APRIL 29, 2010 1:16PM

The Boomers Vs. Tom Brokaw

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I was born in the "first wave," of boomers--the same year the boys started to get off the boats after the big war.  Dad was a vet, a bona fide member of the "greatest generation."  While he didn't see combat, he served with honor.  That was the primary credential.  Nobody knew at the time the difference it made to come early in the generation, but we do now--those who came a mere two or three years later experienced a huge, almost insurmoutable gap.

When I went to college, there was no anti-war movement, no hippies, no counter culture, no dope, no "free sex and love," nothing that wasn't on the menu for a long time.   We had to start it all--shocking our parents, the people who were supposed to protect and teach us, and a nation.  We  were the first to be called, "Nazis, traitors, cowards, degenerates, and dirty."  There were so few of us FBI agents used to follow us around collecting pictures, getting to know our friends, and in my case keeping a file of the articles I wrote.

By my junior year, I was voted out of office as the head of the local SDS (Student's for a Democratic Society) by the younger "generation" who wanted to burn down the ROTC.  When I said I'd report them because I didn't support violence, I was considered an enemy myself.  The great split had begun.  The professors who had become my friends called the new students "the crazies," and I'm not sure it isn't an appraisal that applies to some until this day. 

I moved to New York City, the Lower East Side, to be exact during the first incursion from the suburbs.  We knew each other's names and where to hang out.  Then we travelled around the world for a year and to India at a time when most Americans were tourists, if they travelled at all, or with the Peace Corp.  That was our "advanced" education.  We charted a new course the second and third waves followed, but drastically altered.

Tom Brokaw put it this way: "They got in their VW buses with 'make love, not war,' bumper stickers, drove out of town, and were never seen again."  I love that quote.  It says more than twenty books written on the subject.  The generation of "idealism" degenerated into the generation of arrogance, disillusionment, perfidy, cynicism and by defaulting from the electoral process turned the nation over to it's most conservative and fear ridden inhabitants--the exact forces that caused the war they so despised.

When Bill Ayers surfaced briefly during the last presidential campaign, after a lifetime safely ensconced in academia, and failed to demonstrate any accountability or regret for the excesses he played a part in, it acted as a benchmark for me: no wonder so little has changed.  It took the children of the boomers, after all, to shame them into supporting Obama and now I strongly suspect many have returned to their habitual ideological assumptions.  i.e. the "system" is rotten, all politics and politicians are evil, it's better to withdraw than face the reality of political incrimentalism.

In a recent broadcast, Brokaw characterized the boomers as a generation "at war with itself."  The initial factioning occurred when the protestors broke from those forced to serve as a result of the draft.  There is no "concilliation" when a mass ideology takes hold and that's what happened.  It's the canvas on which the current political landscape is painted, but is hidden and unseen.  Brokaw peeked at it, barely revealing the side he is on.

After a lifetime now seen in retrospect of right wing domination, the re-election of Bush--the bottom of the barrel--nothing can convince the "crazies" to come off their high horse--and time is running out.  Obama's health care is not enough, he hasn't kept his "promise" to get out of Iraq (and may not make it by August) and had the nerve to send more troops to Afghanistan.  Those are just a few of his sins.  What is possible doesn't matter compared to his ideological purity.   It's their way or the highway. They are little different from the rednecks--they only come from the other side of the spectrum--and are equally unconscious and irresponsible.

The reactionaries are gathering force again, abetted by a thinly veiled racist and classist rage--confident--as they have every expectation to be  the hippie rats will run again.  Obama has made the choice not to appeal to them, regardless of their numbers and positions they now hold.   He has made the harder choice of doing what can be done--appealing to a "pragmatic" center that has yet to reveal itself, picking up where Clinton left off. 

I think of it as one of the boldest strategies by an American President in my lifetime.  The question is whether it will work--and a pragmatic center that will come to his defense in the midterms, or walk away so the right will return to power.    

 

  

 

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A facinating saga and personal poltical journey interspersed with commentary and a unique viewpoint.

Though I am most certainly not a liberal in any sense of the word, and cannot in all honesty be called a republican, I appreciate the voice, the poise and the honesty with which you present your argument.

Well done! Rated for a glimmer of hope.
As you rode in on the first wave so I did the last, still I am a boomer as it were. Did we rally just run or did any of us find reality forced our hands? The kids needed a decent roof over their heads and food to eat. Nixon pretty much proved that short of armed insurrection, the movement was useless. There is a cadre out there of us, we run for local office we deal with social issues, we vote our consciences, and we raised our kids with a different perspective on the world.
a lot of us too feel betrayed by our own. We see them now as in the way of making changes that will work by their demands for a complete 180 on things when society in general will balk when faced with that kind of decision. We are older now and starting to filter in to that pool of old people with nothing to do so I believe that we will start to see the saner heads creeping back towards that drive to change things.
I remember Tom Brokaw hosting some kind of glance backwards at the 60s and his terming Jimi Hendrix' "Star Spangled Banner" as a 'rebuke' which still surprises me. I think I know which side he's on.
obama is one confusing dude. He ran an anti-Bush platform. He was going to undo everything he did, and then reality of his rhetoric hit him
Sending more troops to win faster is a good idea. Just ask the people that practice war for a living. The Patriot Act was not only not overturned but also "improved". And the surplus checks that Bush gave us that the left hated so much? (Including myself) obama made larger.

As much as I HATE clinton for what he did to Veterans, he knew "It's the economy stupid."
Always enjoy a good retrospective on political origins and their effect. I appreciate your conclusion. When I ran for office, an experienced statesman told me something which helped me understand politics in a different way. Party politics. They, the party, understand you have one or two or three issues that are your core issues, beliefs. If they are against the platform or part of it, you can still keep one and vote that way. If you go against all in support of your beliefs, ideals, it doesn't matter it you got crossover voters and the part of the party base that agrees with you, you will be out. The pressure to represent the party tears at the core of your beliefs. So what I take this to mean here is, getting elected is done one way and succeeding in advancing your personal agenda, no matter how many people who voted you in share it, is not always possible because of the party. When the ruling party changes, the game changes. You cannot just go in and resurface the asphalt with your own brand of tar. You have to still deal with what was started underneath. One of the disadvantages of our system is the constant swing back and forth of power and who starts what and who has to clean up the mess. Peter Fitzgerald went into office around here with his own money and was a one term senator, why? He did not need the party to get in, but he needed them to get anything done. It is a tenuous balance of power in Washington. Obama has done what he has been allowed to do, he has no infinite power, he has no absolute power. He has to work in a system that deals in the realities that others have structured.

I personally am disappointed but still supportive and understanding, and advocate all the harder for my own agenda. If I am silent the right just screams louder. If I yell at least I drown out their voice and even if I am the only one who hears my own, I am using it for the greater good. Now. I will retire my soap box. Anyone can take issue with what I say, but I promised myself not to be too political on OS. Rated.
Ben it would be enlightening for you and Tom to sit down and talk in front of a camera and have a well reasoned conversation, knowing full well, that you wouldn't necessarily reach a consensus.

That would be must see TV. Loved this essay.
"It took the children of the boomers, after all, to shame them into supporting Obama and now I strongly suspect many have returned to their habitual ideological assumptions. i.e. the "system" is rotten, all politics and politicians are evil, it's better to withdraw than face the reality of political incrimentalism."

We have four children. They learned about Obama from us and all of us, spouses included, all ten voting members of our family voted for him. Most of us still think he hasn't been in office long enough to keep all of his promises, and any adult knows that promises are always tempered by reality.

Tom Brokaw is an ass. Our generation was painted with a media shit stick and the actual differences of opinion that always did exist amongst us were never fairly chronicled. I grew up in very conservative San Diego County, California. Camp Pendleton is there, as were the Naval Air Station, and quite a gigantic Naval fleet. My youngest uncle went to Viet Nam. 27 boys from my class of 1968 died there. The boy I took to the Shamrock Shuffle has his name inscribed on the Viet Nam War Memorial. So when Brokaw makes his snarky appraisal of our generation, I think he can go take a long walk off a short pier. Our generation paid and suffered mightily too.

It was schizophrenic what was expected of us. Being a woman in this generation was a walk through fire to gain the rights and respect that young women now take for granted.

Bill Ayers is no poster boy for our generation. Why would anyone hold him up as one? What about John Kerry, he is a far better choice for poster boy for how it went for Boomers than Ayers ever could have been. He did his duty and responsibly questioned the authority of the powersful people that abused his answering the call.
Jon Zobenica in Atlantic Monthly's May issue says it better than I can here
Thanks much for this post. I don't like generalizations as applied to a generation, like "self-centered" for boomers or "greatest" for WWII vets, many of whom went over as scared kids and tried to stay alive, as my Dad freely admitted (although he was rightfully proud of his service.

But what you touch on and I'd amplify, is this idea of a simple or simplistic way of looking at anything as reflected in a single ideology, i.e. "they're all this" or "everyone knows that" My fear is of people talking of "returning to American values," by which they most singularly mean their point of view, their religion, their likes and dislikes, period. No debate, no exchange of ideas, just their moral, unquestioned and unexamined certainty.
really well done, great insights
Rings a lot of bells. I began college in 1967 and it had kind of started by thern. At least in Boston, which is a students' town.

However, keep in mind that we grew up with Kennedy (at least I did), our kids grew up with Bush. I think that explains a lot.
Yes we had Kennedy, our kids had Bush. Still, we also had Johnson, then, god help us all, Nixon. I'm an unapologetic Clinton Boomer, both of them represent the best and worst, vision and foibles, the goals and enormous hurdles we faced. Often conquered.

I worked hard in the late 60's-70's in politics and government and in the feminist and civil rights movements... for change. We accomplished a great deal. Tom B can kiss my peace sign if he thinks we're all the same.
I guess you'd call me third wave. 1962. We were the Alex Keaton generation--remember the right-wing kid whose parents were hippies? We were that kid. Tom Cruise and Risky Business. The Eighties and the Reagan Years. Short hair and preppiness and business school. We were the anti-hippies. It's sort of weird that we're lumped together. What's interesting is that my people--those born in 61 or 2 or 3--never show up for class reunions or connect through alumni notes. I never liked my group, to be honest. I always thought the hippies had more fun.
Incisive essay Ben.
I'm from the late Gen X--born during the malaise of the Ford admin, a child of early baby boom parents.
Your essay touches on feelings I've had toward the baby boom generation--the sense of idealism lost, the hopelessly self destructive and petty infighting. I always admired the idealism even if I was as a Gen Xer a lot more pragmatic. In a way Obama, by dint of his birth, is a kind of a bridge between the boomers and Gen X, though he is probably closer to the pragmatic (and notoriously apolitical) Gen Xers than he is to the Boomers. That is the challenge, as Boomers become the senior citizens-- i.e. the ones who vote.
In any case I'm pulling for him as I believe he is our best hope to bridge this difficult time.

Have you read William Strauss and Neil Howe's "The Fourth Turning"? Their theories on generations are enlightening and insightful, even if they are sometimes too neatly packaged.
Wonderful mix of nostalgia and excellent points!

We'll soon see.
I started a response, and it just grew too long, so I'll just underscore Susanne's comment and add that advocating calmer minds and denouncing violent acts is a good thing, but obsessively trying to blame today's problems on people who, forty and fify years ago, tried to turn things around is a particularly skewed perspective that would not hold up under scrutiny. It is a product of the "media shit stick" to which Susanne aptly refers.

Also, the boldest strategy I've seen by an American president was Carter's 1979 "Malaise Speech" in which he appealed to truth and to the American conscience and was subsequently voted out of office in a landslide. It was not the hippies who did that.

Eisenhower spoke truth as well, but was ignored.

Lastly, while I am no defender of Ayers, your denunciation of Ayers' failure to apologize or express regret for his actions seems somewhat self-contradictory as you defend Obama's administration as it refuses to take action that would accomplish the same accountability for national crimes of far worse consequence than anything Ayers ever did.
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I read this excellent essay twice. Your experiences and thoughts mirror my own. This was incredibly well done. I really enjoyed reading this.
Heeepies!!
I think it's easy for Brokaw to lump all the boomers into one basket because it fits into the five minute (or 30 second) soundbite. But as others have commented here, the reality of people born after WW II is much more complex.

I have the feeling that Brokaw's "best generation" had a much more unified upbringing and adulthood because of their involvement in the war. Our generation both fought and protested Vietnam. We produced both hippies and venture capitalists. Our generation is still demonstrating its complexities, as the Tea Party people are for the most part in my age cohort, and I wonder where the hell they were hiding all this time.

You had a great essay. r
a resonant post for me. The last gasp of the racists? or the opening salvos in the next phase? I worry.
To my readers, commenters and raters:

Though I haven't been chosen by the editors to reach a larger audience in over a year, I can't tell you how much I appreciate your part in creating my blog. It is very gratifying that you have taken the time and made the effort to expand this dialogue.

My generation has been a major disappointment, and it still amazes me how many are ignorant of their own hubris and responsibility for the direction of the country due to their "dropping out," and insisting America be what they want and nothing else. "Real politic" is not a dirty word, regardless of its source.

The approaching mid-terms are an opportunity for them to redeem themselves, by and large, but I frankly fear they have become too devotedly contrarian to listen or accept a reasonable approach. Part of our legacy, the dark side, was to split the country into ideological camps that have changed the face of politics in this country in a way that may not change for generations to come.

I think Brokaw actually sees this, and it is the source of his distrust, but has not articulated it clearly. Perhaps, it is not something that can be done in a media meant for mass consumption

Thank you to those who found their way here.
Interesting. To be fair, wars like wwii cause national unity, which is bound to deteriorate over time, until there is something that really, really wakes people up, and then, be careful of what you wish for.
I like this though I am disappointed in Obama. He is working from the inside and once you do that, you are screwed. I think he works his a.. off, and admire that and think he cares. But the forces are entrenched, that is reality....WE NEED TO PROTEST!
Again, you have said much with few words. My parents were older than boomers (born in '37), and they seemed quite different from my friends' parents. Mine were a bit more of the put-your-nose-to-the-grindstone types, not into shock for the sake of attention. I realize there are stereotypes of generations, so I must be careful, as there is good and arrogance in each generation, but I see a difference there.

"It took the children of the boomers, after all, to shame them into supporting Obama and now I strongly suspect many have returned to their habitual ideological assumptions. i.e. the "system" is rotten, all politics and politicians are evil, it's better to withdraw than face the reality of political incrimentalism."
I am geographically surrounded by the Right, but from what I can see of this part of the Left, I do sense a snobbery, a lack of willingness to work within the current system or to work with any system that they can't control. Revolution or nothing, but where would they go next if we had one?
And another thing---I have nothing but anecdotal evidence of this, but---when you quoted the part about 'they rode out of town never to be seen again,' I feel like so many of that generation left the middle of the country. Yes, this migration has always happened to an extent and still does, but this generation often abandoned their hometowns for the big cities (which are often still 'broken', too---look at the innercity) and then these people seem to remain at odds with the middle of the country. This divide is REALLY bad for the country. It comes from both sides, but I would expect the left to be more enlightened. I think this arrogance and divide gave us 8 years of Bush. Honestly, go to one of the coasts with my accent, and the first word you say receives a snide look.
Interesting take on the "boomers"....As one myself, I think too many of us got bogged down in earning a living, and because we failed to keep on paying attention to the government, the military-corporate complex, and what the Fascist Repubs were doing, we got Reagan. I remember laughing out loud when Reagan's name came up asa a possible candidate. How absurd! Ronald Reagan! But as a puppet of the Fascists, we can now thank him for de-regulation and wages that haven't risen in 30 years, not to mention 22% interest rates, high unemployment, a recession, on and on during the 1980s. And now that most of us have to work two jobs, if we can find them, just to pay bills, thanks to Reagan, how many have time to keep up with the government? Wasn't that the point?!

Plainly stated, the boomers stopped paying attention, and we got what we deserved. Now the world economy is collapsing as a result of Wall Street greed and the Republican-Fascist agenda that's been in place since FDR!
Ben Sen, over the last few weeks I've been very busy and away from OS for the most part, so I missed this post when it came out. I like what you have to say, though. I always laughed at the premise that Obama was some kind of radical lefty. The Chicago Machine does not produce radicals, it produces pragmatists (and a few felons, as well).

I am one of those boomers who came at the end. Those of us born between about 1957 and 1960 have a much different set of experiences than those born in the 1940's and early '50's. You came of age with Kennedy's assassination and Tonkin. I came of age with Watergate and Carter. I saw the dream defeated at a very young age. I witnessed Detroit and Newark in flames at the ripe age of 9 or 10, and saw MLK and RFK die on TV at about the same time. Cynicism was a logical result.

Once a cynic, it's hard to overcome it. Obama's pragmatism might help, but an effective health care bill coupled with a return to traditional constraints on executive power would help more. I am not so concerned about Afghanistan, at least as it relates to campaign promises. Obama never expressed pacifism with regards to Afghanistan. I wish he could be honest and simply tell the American people that both Iraq and Afghanistan will have to find their own way out of their morass, and we'll work with whoever is in power if they are willing to work with us, or if they prefer we'll leave them alone as long as they don't act with hostility toward us.

I'm hopeful, still, that this administration will be a net positive for America and the world. My cynicism will likely remain in tact, however, for a long time to come. So will my disgust at the self-righteous loud mouths on both the left and the right, but especially those of the right.
Tom Brokow in long hair ought to say it all. Copying a movement style to be cool doesn't make him a part of it. I am first wave too and which side you are both on is perfectly clear.

Given what the hippies accomplished (and lost) to DINOs and complacent centrists, is it any wonder they have zero appreciation or patience for the tiny incremental changes you call historical "victories" today? They are hardly historic or progressive when you compare them.

The boomers did their duty to their country and their fellow man. Then they passed it on to the next greatest generation, who promptly got co-opted by Ronlad Reagan and Gordon Gecko. We've been stuck there ever since, and you centrists keep thanking them for every little scrap they throw you.