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I'm a writer and creative consultant. I have years of experimental comedy and strange theater under my belt. I surf. I cook. I love wine, men and song. And oh puppies. I effin' love puppies.

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NOVEMBER 18, 2009 12:52PM

The Dokken Factor and Other Dating Deal Breakers

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First dates are up there with anal fissures in the pleasure department but they must be endured. How else can you get to the sex?

Unfortunately, one often encounters deal breakers on those first dates, making any future seem unlikely.

Take my date last weekend...please. Actually, he was a nice enough guy. Good-looking, above average intelligence. We went for brunch at a local joint at the Jersey shore, sitting in the Fall sunlight, sipping mimosas. Happy so far!

Small talk ensued, which generally sets my teeth on edge. I hate small talk. Weather, current events, "What do you do for a living?" "Your mother, when she's available." That kind of thing. Deadly. But I know, I know, it must be done.

"So what kind of music do you like, Peter?" I halfheartedly asked.

"Heavy metal for the most part...like Dokken."

"Dokken? What do you mean Dokken?

"It's an 80's metal band."

"Oh, I'm aware. They have lots of hair. I just never...forget it. So who else do you like?"

"What? You never what?"

"I never heard anyone mention Dokken as one of their favorite bands before. That's all. Like, it was the first band you'd mention."

"Well, who would you mention?"

"Any band other than Dokken?" I responded with a nervous laugh.

We quickly changed subjects but somehow Dokken loomed over us the rest of the brunch. They might as well have been at the table, guzzling my mimosa and giving me lap dances.

Peter and I never had a second date. Which is fine. But it got me thinking about the Dokken Factor - or any other element that makes you say, "Sorry cowboy, this is just not going to work."

Listen, I don't think everyone should think just like me. I mean, musically, I have some nerve judging anyone. I like heavy pop, for instance. The poppier, the better. I've stopped parties dead in their tracks from putting on a little Barry Manilow to add some "spice" to the evening. Phil Collins fills me with a deep sense of glee. I think The Bee Gees are one of most misconstrued bands of all time.

I also like classic rock. But I can't help that. I'm from Jersey. I was born with Boston in my blood, Van Halen in my veins and Genesis in my genes.

And it's fine to have differences in taste. It adds a certain fun, playful tension. But differences as great as Dokken? That may just be an unbridgeable gap.

My ex-boyfriend is a big movie buff. And when I say big, there are few movies that man hasn't seen. We can talk for hours about performances, directors, a certain shot or scene that has stuck with us forever. When he started dating again, he went out with some gal who over dinner said that she didn't like black and white movies. They gave her the "creeps." I had to break it to my ex that they stood no future whatsoever. He agreed. The Dokken Factor, clearly at play.

More intimately, a female friend of mine had been dating a man for 6 months when she confessed that while their sex life was going well enough, he never went down on her. He told her the first time they had sex that it just "wasn't his thing." (And no, it wasn't a hygiene issue. I asked.) I told her that she may need to break up with him. She sadly agreed.

She did talk with him about it before ending it. He reiterated that he just didn't like going down on women - not just with her, any woman. Cunnilingus done well may be one of the most deeply sensual and wonderful sensations a woman experiences sexually (in my humble opinion.) To do without, because it's not his "thing"? Au revoir, pussy hater.

I know - we all have our sexual preferences. But not as big as this Dokken Factor. It should be a primal drive to want to go down on a woman. Instinctual, I argue. If I was a straight man, I'd skip the breasts and run, not walk, to eat at the Y. And if a man doesn't like to do it, then he's either sexually self-centered or lazy (which means lame sex) or he secretly prefers other sexual organs in place of the vagina, if you get my drift.

Sometimes, deal breakers turn out to be deal makers. Surprisingly, I dated a Christian guy and we managed quite well for some time. As long as he wasn't proselytizing, I had no problem. It's strange that I would fear a problem, truthfully. I'm a spiritual person. Not in the Christian sense (though Catholic blood still courses through these veins, whether I want it to or not) but what did I think he would do? Burn me at the stake? Beat me with a Bible?

He cursed occasionally, drank beers and had the most devastatingly beautiful lips that he would place oh so strategically all over me. When he kissed me (which was heavenly) "Son of a Preacher Man" would play in my mind. I imagined that I was defiling him, sullying his Christian goodness, which was ultimately a real turn-on, for both of us.

One man I dated cowered in quite a dangerous situation we encountered. A homeless man approached us on the street one night, when I lived in Philly, with a pipe in his hand. I had to scare the guy off by using my special "dealing with crazy people" technique. When I was done, my date stood far off to the side, applauding. Applaud this, Dokken Factor.

Sadly, I don't always heed deal breakers. I had a wonderful date many years ago in Brooklyn - a romantic movie, a lovely dinner, great conversation, laughs. When we walked home, we came to his place first. It was there he said goodbye to me, leaving me to walk about 10 blocks home at 1 am in a semi-sketchy neighborhood. I remember trying to shrug it off, but tears kept filling up my eyes on my solo journey home. Yes, I could have asked him - but I didn't. He could have offered, too. I stayed with him for several difficult years.

Clothing, while not a deal breaker, can certainly be deal altering. A man constantly donning a baseball cap can dampen my spirits a bit. Wearing sneakers all the time is a turn-off as well. T-shirts with slogans plastered on them...ick. He doesn't have to be a fashion plate but show a little effort. Show that your look matters.

At this point of my life, I hope my deal breakers turn into meal makers. A man who cooks well can lure me in pretty quickly, transporting me past many Dokken-like character flaws. Sad but true.

So while I don't think I'll ever fall for a metal-loving, pussy-hating, Budweiser t-shirt wearing Christian who thinks black and white movies are creepy, I'm still open. At least, I try to be.

(That lap dance by Dokken doesn't sound so bad afterall. If you guys are available (which I'm guessing you might be), please meet me at The Sandbox Cafe this Saturday. I'll be the girl with the mimosa and the semi-jaded outlook.)


(Yeah, that's right. Manilow. Try to stop me. Just try.)

 

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Actually one of my favorite songs. There. I said it.
And I love the Bee Gees too! Excellent post on the common Dokken factors.
Well, you DO live in NJ. How many NJ women would answer Bon Jovi? Probably a million.
I just couldn't click on the Manilow Beth...
Love your writing though, as ever and always.
The Dokken factor would be hard to get past. Agreed.
I mean, maybe if it was 1989, ya know.
And I am constantly amazed to hear stories of
guys who won't go "down there". Blows my mind.

Great post...
First dates are up there with anal fissures in the pleasure department but they must be endured.

Amen.
I didn't ask a woman out for a second date when she mentioned that she loved Mannheim Steamroller.
"Any band other than Dokken?" Love it. My husband likes Aqua. And not in an ironic way. He has other qualities to recommend him, though, not the least of which is cooking and an ability to tie cherry stems into a knot with his mouth.
I'd never heard of Dokken before reading this. Looking at that picture...no, I definitely don't want a lap dance from any of those creatures!
Hey all. Thanks for stopping by. Wish I could offer a cup of tea or something.

Deborah, never knew you liked the Bee Gees! I'm a big fan. Maybe I'll have to write about them at some point. I think most people assume stuff about them because of the disco era, but they've had such a comprehensive and amazing career.

Choreville, you are right. Bon Jovi is hot here. Still. Not for me, but always "Jersey relevant."

Trig, you'd be surprised. Its Barry when he was young and sweet and that song really is pretty amazing.

Iamsurly, I thought you might relate.

Roger, I have no clue who Mannheim Steamroller is, but the name alone has me rolling.

WSFTC, Guinness t-shirts are fine because Guinness is special!

JustJuli, I'll have to check out Aqua. But the cherry stem more than makes up for it, I'm sure!

Eva, your comment made me laugh the most. Those creatures....mwah! Ha....too funny.
there's something about a woman saying she could never be serious about a man who won't eat her pussy I find hilarious, but i don't know what it is. maybe that's the joke.

i wonder in india when a family is arranging for the marriage of their daughter if it's one of the questions they ask if the daughter is insisting on a "modern" marriage. p.s. they have a lot lower divorce rate than in the west.
Throw in blue jeans and you described the majority of my wardrobe. He he. But at least I never listened to hair bands.
Being single, this is funny yet painful...it's one thing to be bored by a date, it's another thing to be treated with so little consideration that you are reduced to tears...seems like you know the warning signs now - good humor writing.
I had a musical dealbreaker once with a potential college roommate. He had a huge poster of the band "Loverboy" above his bed.

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Yes, there are dealbreakers and you said a mouthful. Nice job.
PS I have never heard of Dokken. I don't have any idea what that says about me, though.
I've had my Dokken moments, and I even had that exact same, guy letting me walk home alone moment. But the one that sticks out in my mind was the time I had this very attractive, quite intelligent guy over for dinner. At one point during the meal my, then five year old, Jack Russell terrier escaped. She didn't have her collar on and after I'd been walking up and down the alley calling her for about half an hour, my date said something to the effect of: "I don't really understand what you're so upset about. Either she's fine, or she's never coming back. What's the point of stressing about it." Soon after he left, my dog came back. Needless to say I totally forgot about that guy until now.
You've labelled it correctly. There is such a factor--a quirk (to us at least)-- that we can't forgive in a lover. One person's deal breaker is another's treasure, I guess. I had never heard of Dokken.
I am know little of Manilow, but I watched half of the Taylor--whatever his-name-was season of American idol, and even contestants who didn't know Manilow remarked on what good ideas he had when he worked with them. I think he has his own genius.
Dane Cook would be a "Dokken Factor" for me. Fortunately, my husband hates him as much as I do. The marriage continues.
"Au revoir, pussy hater."

Best line ever!
LMAO and thankfully I haven't encountered one of those yet. Now I know what to say if I do.
;-)
Your laughing avatar draws me in every single time and I am never disappointed!

Passed onto single friends for further study and input.
Oh, I dunno. Sometimes Dokken can be introduced and it can become a mutual enjoyment.

Your mileage may vary, of course. About my only deal-breaker is cats, b/c I have them and love them--and they've been far more loving and loyal than some men, including my XH, have ever been.

But that's only if we've gone out long enough for him to cross my threshold. And if he doesn't, well, there's the door. Besides, it's just a date, not a 3-yr, no-cut contract...
Excellent analysis, Beth - there are some things that just can't be reconciled. (Barry Manilow? Really? That's ok, I love you anyway.)
Meeting someone who likes Dokken is only slightly better than meeting someone who says they're "not that into music."
From my single days, when a young lady and I were walking back after a first date, if two blocks from her home she turned to me, whipped out a switch blade and demanded my wallet -- that was a Dokken Factor.
Dokken Factor sounds like something that would make for a great Seinfeld line. They had them all. Big hands, close talker, loud talker, soft talker, etc, etc.

Horror stories, all. Lead me to a Monastery.
"Au revoir, pussy hater." **snort**

Now THAT was funny!

Like Juliet said: dogs can be great judges of character. Don't like my dogs -- or at least fake it really well -- then buh bye. My other half not only loved my schnauzers, he had a chow and they all got along famously. It was a sign from above.

Years ago I went through a dating phase where every guy on my first date mentioned while he was an engineer /computer tech/ programmer, his real love was music and he was working to be a musician. Hmmm. I figured they all read some magazine that said "women love that line". I took it as a sign to move on. :)
I once dated a girl who had a Steve Perry / Journey fixation. It wasn't a deal breaker, just a continual annoyance that loomed over the relationship.

But if I encountered the same quirk in someone now, I'd probably run away screaming and chalk it up to the "Dokken Factor".
loved this. i'm stealing "semi-jaded." may have it tattooed on my ...

dokken ::gah:: but manilow? a musical wonder. and the video was astonishing: he's young and nervous and so not puffed up. whatever people think of the guy, he's a fabulous musician and songwriter. if bette midler loves him? 'nuf said.
Listen, please tell me if you manage to get to a second date with anyone from New Jersey. I never did and I live there.
I'm sorry, I'm still reeling from 'anal fissures'. I'll be back later.
You know, I almost hesitated to write about wardrobe. Really, that's pretty low on the Dokken scale. I don't mind guys in sneakers and baseball caps, per se. I just want to see that a guy can dress up and peacock out a little.

Thanks for thumbs on the few that mentioned the Barry video! I too found it beautiful. People just have so many issues around him - but during this phase, he was just a wonderful musician and songwriter. We put too many people in boxes, I say.

Slim, was it you who said your first date pulled a knife on you and robbed you? My goodness. You have a story right there that I would instantly read. Wow. Yes...that's definitely a deal breaker. Mugging is a deal breaker! Ha...

Juliet, that's quite an interesting story. Yes, what a strange reaction about your dog. How chilly!

Leonde, your comment really hit the heart of the matter for me. It made me sad to read it but its right on:

"Being single, this is funny yet painful...it's one thing to be bored by a date, it's another thing to be treated with so little consideration that you are reduced to tears..."

Straight up, sister.

Sorry can't comment back to everyone but must work for money for a bit.

Ocular, I would never mind your wardrobe.
Any man who ends up with me better be prepared to find out that I like it a lot when the cat's got his tongue. Just sayin....... the deal breaker list for me looks like a tax return from hell. Dokken would not get an exemption of any kind.
A woman who loves Manilow judging someone by their music tastes, now that's hilarious :) But the BeeGees ROCK. Funny funny stuff, as always Beth.
I think guys, in general, are willing to put up with a woman who likes Dokken or smokes too much or curses at his parents or whatever, at least on the first date and when there's a potential to get laid. Guys will put up with an unbelievable amount of incompatibility to get laid.

And for me, I haven't bumped into a "first date deal breaker" yet--and unless Sami throws me out on my ear, I hope to never have to date again. My rule of thumb is, Dokken is okay so long as there's enough other mutual interests. You need a balance, don't you think, or it gets boring?
Hah, great post. Lol on the sex deal breaker.

But I do think you should give 'em another chance, Beth.

And by that of course I mean 80's cheese metal...

Your just breakin' the chains around you...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vgby7U_FVks&feature=related

And of course, Beth...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbtO_Ayjw0M
i'm a manilow fan, i can actually do a passable barry gibb impression, i think dokken was ridiculous, and i rarely wear sneakers--where do i sign up? (i'd also help you fend off crazy people wielding pipes, because i have a cane)...
My wife and I don't have any deal-breakers, per se, but there is the matter of television. She is an executive. I am a truck driver. I crave smart, clever, important things, stuff you have to pay attention to. She likes dumb. She was raised on the three stooges and enjoys a lot of the sitcoms whose laugh tracks make me cringe. A second television was a pretty simple deal-saver.
I'm so relieved to know I might still have a chance with you if I ever made it back east. Plus, I can cook.
I've *never* had good oral. :'(

The last dude I let try felt like a cold damp rag flopping around. No feelings of sensuality or wonderfulness at all. And no amount of couching helped.

I'm more than a bit hesitant to let my current fellow try.
Beth, I am not in the dating milieu at the moment (not since 1974, truth be told). But if I were, I would have to tell you, I'm not going down on you unless the Manilow and BeeGees thing stops.
Wow. A new addition to the modern cultural dictionary. "The Dokken Factor", you should be able to copyright it.
I think I will print this out and take it on every first date here on out!
ugh. . . .that's "coaching". "Couching" is an embroidery stitch.
I think I could overlook Dokken, but Jimmy Buffett, no. And any Fox News Network-watching, or Rush Limbaugh-listening, would be deal breakers for me.
Manilow no... but I gotta go, I got this meal to make and many mimosas to drink to erase the Dokken from my brain. ~R~
Wow, I'm actually watching the Dokken video that dockenfan666 sent me. They're literally "breaking the chains." Wow. It's actually not as bad as I imagined - wait...yes, it is.

And KristyCC, I hear you! I know I have no right whatsover to judge others' musical tastes. Well, wait. I take that back. I listen to my cheesy pop music sometimes with ears wide open. I realize its corn potential and still like it. It's an active choice, not accidental. I think I know a lot about music so I feel as if I've earned the right to go cheese, if so desired.

Lucky sweetheart, with that pretty name and avatar, I feel good oral in your very near future. It really does take a little finesse and tuning in, and not every guy gets it.
"More intimately, a female friend of mine had been dating a man for 6 months when she confessed that while their sex life was going well enough, he never went down on her. He told her the first time they had sex that it just "wasn't his thing."


Life ain't fair at all, at all...

My current GF doesn't like me to do oral on her.

I'm an older guy. I've never had any complaints in the past, and must say I enjoy the act most thoroughly, and miss doing it a lot.

Is this Dokken time for us?

----sign me--Wondering?
Great post.
Rated for Jersey Girls.
Exit 7
Biggest dealbreaker for me was the guy who told me he used to play Russian Roulette.

Runners up? Guys who chew gum, or expect me to go dutch.
Two deal-breakers for me were when someone I was interested in mentioned a great interest in atrology. I lost interest in another who would only drink white wine when mixed with 7-Up. As you wrote, an aversion to oral would doom a relationship.
Funny and trenchant Beth. As always. I agree with most everything you wrote. A man who doesn't see you home is a deal breaker for me too, also jocks, mama's boys, men who blame all women because of their "bitch" ex-wife, and most of all, any man who brags that he doesn't read. Say what?
Amen to the first dates as anal fissures analogy. Great post, and great comments! I share BarkingLot's preference for hair be on the head rather than coming out of the nose and ears, and agree with Emma about guys who brag about not reading.
An awful deal-breaker: This guy tells me he was busy that morning putting aluminum foil on his window to keep his apartment cooler. Bleech!

Another: the guy who told me that it really pissed him off when his baby daughter (6 month old maybe) would drop things--he thought she was being "bad."

OMG. First dates! Yech!

I'm happy on my own. I'm happy on my own. I'm happy on my own....I'm happy........

(Great photo Beth!)
If I was a straight man

I think you mean, "If I were a straight man"

It's subjunctive mood, assuming you are not, in fact, a straight man, you are expressing a hypothesis, this is always subjunctive.
You and I ...of the same ilk. And I might just add the smell of leather and sweat as an intro is a deal breaker. And three days of excuses why he...well...he bragged, but couldn't follow through -ahem- explains, has nothing to do with me until the last sentence. Puh-lease.)

R
Couldn't you just insist they read Liz Lemon's best seller prior to the date?

Or more seriously, how about a FAQ to hand out prior to that dreaded first date? Why can't we use technology to get beyond these barriers?

With the search engine technology and knowledge of all screen names, it would be possible to compile the critical information, I would think.

Or, just agree to swap iPods prior to agreeing to the first date. You could check out the various Amazon lists.

I've been working with Google's personal electronic health record (for legit business purposes) but think they should offer an electronic sexual preference record.

Like you have to separate those who prefer silk to velcro to leather, no?

The Southern Hemisphere seems to be a universal, so no need to ask about that.

Just wondering.
I had more dealbreakers when I was young and over the years a lot dropped away. It became more about what I wanted in a man and less about things that ruled him out. I don't know if that makes sense, but there you go. When I met my partner, I noticed what he had to offer that I liked...and there was a lot.

But no oral ever -- well, yes, that would be a dealbreaker. When I was single, I once dated a guy for 6 months who essentially had that position and it was a drag. But I also was involved with a guy who I had to drag away from that area by dangling a pork chop near his head so he'd get distracted and move on before I became my own pair of chaps. That's actually not great either.
So I just meandered over to CNN, and found this column (?) called "My Dating Deal-Breakers". (http://www.cnn.com/2009/LIVING/personal/11/18/rrants.dating.dealbreakers/index.html)
I clicked on it wondering if it was you, if you were cross-posted or something, but instead found that it was total crap, which this woman is presumably paid to write. And now I hate everything.
Okay, it looks like my link didn't even copy correctly, but it's so bad I'm not going to correct it.

Just kidding, I am.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/LIVING/personal/11/18/rrants.dating.dealbreakers/index.html
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When I inquire about what music someone listen to, I cringe when they reply "Oh, anything." Because this invariably means they haven't really heard much, if any, real music, and that they probably listen to Celtic new age Muzak almost exclusively. I'll take an answer like Dokken (a band I had never heard of before your post) any day.

But you're right: t-shirts are passe. Alas.
I suppose my earlier comment is more of an excerpt from one of my future posts (explaining its lack of coherence).

But, am I the only person that thinks oral sex is the 'lazy man's' way to pleasing a woman? Not that there is anything wrong with it, of course. Same with astroglide. They are all fine and good, but I don't believe in taking shortcuts.
One of the best lines was the answer to "what do you do for a living?" hehe. Classic. Y'know, had he said 'Dokken' to be sarcastic, that would have likely been a deal-maker. If only he knew that he could have potentially saved his fate with a convincing 'just kidding'.

My biggest dealbreaker is when they say "yeah, well, you're wrong" after you explain why you passionately believe something. Grr. Although, admittedly, I'm like that game in the arcade that only the super geeky kids know about -- the one that gives unlimited extra lives if you just push the right buttons. Someone oughta call the technician out to fix that one of these days. Great post, as usual!
I'm still giggling over Silkstone's:

"But I also was involved with a guy who I had to drag away from that area by dangling a pork chop near his head so he'd get distracted and move on before I became my own pair of chaps."

That's priceless.

Nick, interesting perspective. I don't think its the lazy man's way out. Au contraire. I think the problem is (gosh maybe too early for this) men go down on women a little too vigorously. It needs a light to medium tongue touch. And slow and methodical works better for me. Women can become desensitized pretty quickly down there if hands or mouth are too vigorous.

But Nick, there are many ways to turn on a woman. My gosh - the neck is a popular erogenous zone for many women. Or the back. It does seem like sex becomes very regimented - as if we have 4 or 5 moves that we perform instead of looking at the bigger picture, if that makes sense. It's not about one particular act - its the whole thing. God, even if a guy talks to me a certain way - that does a lot. I won't elaborate because I'm starting to become embarrassed and this is the dumb old Internet.
Dokken, deal breaker, definitely but so is Barry, sorry Beth.
Funny and well written as usual!r
Oh my goodness, Cassandra - that was a rather lackluster article! And she got paid for that, right? I'm sad now. Sad for self.
Thanks for the a.m. laugh! I needed something to kick-start my morning and this post did the trick. Oh, and please, please reveal your special dealing-with-crazy-people technique.
And all you Barry dislikers out there, just watch the video. Its really quite nice and an impressive showing of his talents, I think. I mean - he is a household name for a reason, right?

Come on, Rita - give it a try. You too Trig.

Where's Kind of Blue or MJwhycha to give me a few knocks?
Ahh, the Commentaries. Often a post all on their own. Your subject matter was "trenchant" (Emmas) and Silk and her chaps! The dangling pork chop image just won't leave. I think, given the beastly choice, I'd forgo the Y in favor of a guy who can finish the job without making it look/feel like work. Period. There's more than one way to chap your lips.
I once had a blind date with a Freudian psychiatrist who, upon my mention of La vie parisienne, the lively operetta composed by Jacques Offenbach, with a libretto by Henri Meilhac and Ludovic Halévy, said she'd "never heard of it"(?). Dropped that one off at Dokken Station post haste! Imagine!
Silkstone: good thing he wasn't Jewish.

(Yes, it's an oblique joke. Sue me.)
It's the voice.

If a girl doesn't use her true voice, if it's affected by some sort of character flaw, then I can't date her.

People should talk the way they're meant to, not the way they think they're meant to.
My dealing with crazy people is mentioned in an earlier piece:

http://open.salon.com/blog/beth_mann/2009/01/17/family_matters

Summed up, its upping the crazy level so you earn crazy respect from them, usually causing them to back off or fear you slightly. Crazy people may be crazy but they still recognize craziER...sometimes.
"Silkstone: good thing he wasn't Jewish."

Doug, this actually reminds me of a funny little article I read eons ago in which a single woman who lived in NYC said she'd figured out how to tell if a guy liked to go down on women by what he liked to eat when they were out for a meal. She said guys who liked more sour, briny foods were always enthusiastic about it. So she gave the thumbs up to Jewish guys (who grew up eating kosher pickles) as well as Italians. She noticed that guys who only liked bland foods were the ones who tended to not want to please a woman in that way. (She started to avoid all men raised in the Midwest.)

I have to say....this pretty much matches my own experience. The one guy I had "trouble" with was not an adventurous eater, either.
Hmmm....

In my callow youth, I read 'the idiots guide' and it seemed the height of sophistication to dive in/jump on/ light up. After (of all places) the internet, and I discovered that at least some women had exquisitely filthy imaginations regarding almost all things erotic, well.....

There just seemed to be no reason to limit the menu to comfort food.

As if there aren't enough mixed metaphors here.
I just read your reply again and realized that you just penned half of chapter 1 of the 'advanced idiots guide.'

I'm going to print it off, laminate it, and carry it in my wallet.
Alright, Daniel - made the grammatical correction. Thanks for suggesting it.
I love Barry Manilow. Great post, well written and true. There have been many Dokken factors. One was that the guy had never voted and didn't care. Hasta la vista, baby.
Always glad to find a post of yours, and somehow I overlooked this one. Great dating tips, and your straight-forward sense of humor has me laughing and cringing simultaneously. Never thought I'd be facing first-dates, but with your guide I feel better equipped. And you almost have me convinced to click on the Manilow.
Loved it. My husband, when I met him, was wearing a Marilyn Manson t-shirt. Our first real date, he took me to a Tori Amos concert. He loves all music.
Except what I like. Which is pretty much anything on VH1's "Top Ten Worst Songs of All Time," and New Kids on the Block. We've made it work.
Noname Joe, if you read the piece carefully - which you obviously didn't - you'd notice that I recognize the mistake I made and call myself on it, way before you did.

But then again, why am I engaging with another gray avatar here when you're obviously just a troller. Troll away from me!
Not sure how I missed this one.

Dokken. Wow. You don’t hear too many folks use Dokken to exemplify their musical tastes.

My guess is that this poor fellow once owned more than one half shirt, occasionally sported a headband, and knew all the words to Ratt’s “Round and Round” and enjoyed flicking his Bic during the Scorpion’s “Wings of Change.” I would further guess that the first time he got up a girl’s shirt was during the summer of 1985 in the backseat of his white IROC with Dokken jamming from the radio. Thus the incomprehensible and disturbing connection to Dokken.

Personally, I always dreaded the “what kind of music do you like” question. See, I’m a nerd, therefore that question can lead to potential danger. There’s always the risk I may sputter off into a music geek tangent. I’ve scared more than one girl away when I’ve gotten in depth on which guitar god had the better stint in the Yardbirds, and just forget about it if I started talking jazz. I can think of a few girls who would have preferred ol’ Don Dokken to my talk of Coltrane’s classic quartet. I found the hard way that geeking out on a first date is the ultimate Dokken factor. Sometimes I would deflect and mention completely milquetoast and odd things like “I love Roxette more than ABBA” just to see how long I could keep that going. I figured if a girl could laugh at that later on, then she’s at least got a sense of humor. And humor is my Dokken factor.

Anyway, well developed and funny piece, as usual .
Let's see: Catholicism, cunnilingus, and the BeeGees. Yep, I think you've covered all bases. (By the way, all three are illegal in Oklahoma.) Super-funny piece, Beth.
I can tell right now that I'm going to waste countless hours reading your blog. Just another excuse for my ever-widening ass. Thank you.
Au revoir, pussy hater! My God - you are a fucking genius.

Yes - sometimes I just wander around in your old posts.