Bill S.

Bill S.
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**… From my friend Leigh Bailey: " No one should die because they cannot afford health care, and no one should go broke because they get sick. If you agree, please post this as your status for the rest of the day." Any questions? ** So, waddayawannaknow? I'm originally from New York, now living in Vermont. I love hockey, good food, writing, photography, and a whole host of things. Unless otherwise noted, all photos and poems are copyright 2009 by me and are original works. Please contact me via OS mail or for outside e-mail use billsvt at gmail dot com for questions on use of my work. Many many many thanks to RicTresa for creating the banner for this blog. Ric is an awesome graphics designer - go visit him already at http://open.salon.com/blog/rictresa ************************************* "The only man who behaved sensibly was my tailor; he took my measurement anew every time he saw me, while all the rest went on with their old measurements and expected them to fit me." (George Bernard Shaw)

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AUGUST 27, 2009 3:41PM

I'm An Ass Because We Disagree

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I’m An Ass Because We Disagree

 

It's that usually veiled statement that I am wrong and you are right simply because you think I’m wrong and you’re right

 

That sentiment always makes me do that thing with my head that dogs do.  You know, the kind of tilt-to-one-side-with-eyes-kind-of-open-yet-squinty-and-the-mouth-agape.  THAT thing.  I don’t understand that, truly I do not.  You and I have information, in many cases the same information.  We process that information through the filter of our experiences (which many times are DIFFERENT) and our logic, and we come out on the other side with an opinion.  Sometimes it is the same one; sometimes not.  Why is it so imperative that I agree with you?

See, I like you.  Really, I do.  If I didn’t, I would not bother to engage in anything approaching meaningful dialogue with you.  I value your opinion and respect your views; so why can’t you do the same in return?

I’m not asking you to sleep with me.  I’m not asking you to marry me.  All I’m asking you to do is to accept that I may feel differently about something than you do, and that is perfectly fine and dandy.

See, if it ISN’T perfectly fine and dandy then we are going to have a problem, because I feel entitled to have the opinion I do.  I’ve done my reading in most cases, weighed the second-hand morsels I’ve had placed in my path, and I’ve come to a conclusion.  There’s room to consider other views, absolutely.  Until you start beating me over the head with them as if you could bludgeon me into agreement.

That will turn me off quicker than any cold shower.   You can disagree with me, and I will still like you.  In fact, I may very well respect you more because it tells me you are not simply a follower.  But I expect to be accorded the same privilege.  Surely, we can agree to disagree about things?

 

Please, don't present your case and expect me to just cave in and cry uncle.  Especially when you insist on plowing ahead IN SPITE OF the fact that I may not feel the same way you do.  This is particularly true when it turns out to be something subjective.  For example, I hate broccoli.  Hate it.  Detest it.  Will pick it out of anything you might put in front of me that contains it.  You, on the other hand, love broccoli.  You extoll its virtues, its succulent deliciousness.

But I still hate it.  I don't hate you for loving it, I don't even dislike you a little for loving it.  It is a personal choice.  I respect yours.

There are people on this earth (in some cases, people who have left this earth behind) that I simply do not like.  It's my right not to like them.  You may love them, I have no problem with that.  I DO have a problem with you telling me I must love them too.  Because I DON'T have to love them.

Hopefully, you can accept that.  Your friends are not necessarily my friends, and your idols are not necessarily mine.  As long as we can be accepting of our differences, we're good.

 

DISCLAIMER:

This post isn't about any one in particular, nor any event in particular.  It's about how I feel regarding disagreements.  Plain and simple.  You may read into it whatever you like, but I'm telling you straight out just what it's about.

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Wow! You look much cuter in that picture than in your avatar pic! (Just kidding.)

I completely agree, except that you're totally wrong about the broccoli.
.... and I'm not reading anything into it!
this is completely unreasonable. and just because you actually researched an issue doesn't mean you're entitled to disagree with me. research and being informed are so passe.

you are right about broccoli, though.
Oh, to have a world where we can all peacefully disagree with one another and still remain friends! Love this, love you, and love the dog photo, too.
I agree to disagree, because I can't read anything between the lines. It is always a case that one is right and one is wrong - But which one, is the question no one knows.

- rated
I really appreciate this post. You've conveyed what I'd been hoping to but in a much kinder way (which is of course, the point).

Nice work
Crap... I totally thought you wanted to sleep with me :)


Rated for alot of points... but really you had me at the labretard.
So you wont sleep with me or marry me? What an ass!
Black labs look so righteous in a red collar. They're the best.

You're wrong about broccoli, by the way.
High Lonesome - No, I'm not. Unless you mean you HATE broccoli. In which case, I am. Sort of.

Fabflamingo - Damn, I was hoping you of all people would read something into it. :-D

Cap'n - I like being passe, passe is my forte except when I'm ex libre. Comprende?

Lisa - I could not agree more. I wish I could say the dog photo was mine, but I could not find one with the right pose.

gmgaston - That's because I always single-space. Makes it harder to read between the lines.

ainthatamerica - There is occasionally this rare confluence of thought and communication, where I actually get it right. This may be one of those times. Thanks.

iamsurly - Hey, I didn't say I didn't want to sleep with you , I said I'm not ASKING you to sleep with me. :-D

Bill - You, my friend, I might make an exception for.
So you are saying you agree to disagree? Can't you just be like everyone else and disagree to agree to disagree!? Sheesh!
Damn, I thought I got everyone.

UK - No I'm not. Neener neener.
Cathy - I'll have to disagree with agreeing with you to disagree about agreeing because I ain't feeling so agreeable now. :-D
Oh. I see. So I say broccola, you say broccolee, let's call the whole thing off! Bill, I thought we were getting married at the holidays. But I can see you have other takers. Takahs. xox
A friend of mine expressed the same general idea, and I just didn't get it. I was within an inch of my sanity before I realized this- and a few other things. Now, I hope to apply the lessons I learned to life. A feel awful about all the times I felt like I needed to hash and rehash things with him.
Good answer - to almost any disagreement, really.
Great post. Your broccoli statement reminded of a comment that former President Bush the First made when taking heat from the broccoli industry when it was learned that he hated the it. He was frustrated and annoyed and he said (paraphrasing), "I'm the President of the US and if I don't like broccoli, I can say so!" Funny, the things you remember...
I agree with you there, and on the broccoli thing too. What ticks me off is when I defend my opinion and get insulted for doing so.
I never even considered putting you on the "ass" list. Mostly because I tend to agree with you a lot.

:-)
...oh, and you'll love broccoli. Try it with broccoli.
I couldn't disagree with you less!
Well said, though (sigh) it shouldn't need to be.
So.. you are a donkey!?
If I agree with you about disagreement, can I have your broccoli?
Robin - I'll gladly marry you on the holidays but it will mean us both becoming Mormons - you ok with that? :-D

tai - No need to feel awful, I have done the same thing myself. Live and learn, I say.

Owl - As always, you are wise. Now how do you feel about broccoli?

Brie - I remember that too. I also remember thinking, "If the President can't say he doesn't like broccoli then what's he good for?"

ocularnervosa - Yup. Especially when they throw broccoli. I hate that.

spotted_mind - Thanks. Hey, I saw the sketch Duane did of you. Pretty damn hot, lady. He is awesome.

Bill - I thought you might be a broccoli-lover. I heard a rumor that someone knew someone who saw a picture that was maybe of you eating broccoli and smiling. With a broccoli and Velveeta shake, no less.

Just Pamela - Um, I think that's a Thank you! *Does the head thing again*

Jim - Yes, you're right and maybe it doesn't really need to be said but I thought it was worth saying.

Ric - Registered. :-D

TheBarkingLot4 - I regret that I have but one serving of broccoli to give to my friends. But you can have it.
I accept that you don't admire Teddy Kennedy. I do.

It's as simple as that!

denese
Denese - I have no problem with you admiring Ted Kennedy. Really. As I stated above, this isn't about anyone in particular or any event in particular but simply my take on disagreements. I've seen a lot crap here the last couple of months, mostly centered around someone attempting to bludgeon someone else with their opinion. It's just rude to keep going on when neither person is willing to budge, and it's futile. Best to just say, "Fine. Be that way. I can't change your mind and you can't change mine", and just let the matter drop. This isn't life-or-death situations where someone's well-being hangs in the balance. It's discussion and debate, and it is not imperative that someone win.
People get to have their say - that is the vital component. The key is knowing when to stop talking, before it starts getting personal.
BTW, that was just me expounding a little more on my post, not a rebuttal of your comment (because your comment needs no rebuttal).
You say it's not about any one person or event in particular, Bill, but you are si wrong!
Funny thing is, I can't remember you being wrong about anything until you mentioned broccoli. I feel the same way about canned peas. Canned peas are just wrong.
I"ll take you one further. I not only am not required to agree with you, I am also not required to respect your opinion. Opinions do not automatically deserve respect. People do -- but that doesn't extend to all of their behavior.
Broccoli's not that bad, it's mushrooms that have got to go.
Uhhhhh, makes sense to me. But then I again I HAVE sense. As my favorite prez once said... I feel your pain.
OK Bill. Let me say officially that I think you're great and have heart and common sense.

Plus, I'm not sure which events on OS you're taking about. I can think of many. I am sorry if I've been a part of any. Truly.

xoxo

d
Plus the dog's face is awesome.

Let's all become dogs.

d
You're a complicated man: You're an ass for many reasons XD

Just kidding, just kidding...

Lets just agree that we can agree to disagree about disagreeing.... my head hurts.
Bill, I have seen that look before and it was usually followed by a canine request to go outside and play.
AtHomePilgrim - Ah, can I disagree?

Michael - Believe me, fella, I have been so wrong. Just ask my wife.

Sandra - Well said.

Marcelle - Oh, you shouldn't have brought mushrooms into it. Now there's gonna be trouble.

Trig - Almost as painful as having to eat broccoli, but I digress.

Denese - Absolutely, there have been far too many. As far as I know, you haven't been party to any egregious behavior. I've never seen you do it, anyway. And I am blushing now, thank you for the compliment.
Oh, and I'll just add a sentiment I love that a co-worker has on a sign in her cubicle: Less Bark, More Wag. :-D

Victor - OK, I think I might be able to agree with that.

designanator - That's pretty much what I wanted to do all day today, play outside. It got up to about 70, first time in weeks it's been that cool and no humidity. A gorgeous day.
Damn, I wish I'd said this. It is a downright brilliant manifesto on how to achieve balanced and reasonable discourse. I agree with every single freakin word. Please ask me to marry you. And, can I have that dog?

PS If you're an ass, you bring class to being an ass.
Yeah, say that all you want about it not being about a particular incident - I know you're talking to me. You just loved "Twilight," didn't you?
Denese, I just went back and re-read my previous comment to you, and I have to apologize for how I worded that. I tried to acknowledge you in the first couple of lines, and then went on to try and make a more narrow point but the way it came it looked like I was lecturing you. That wasn't my intent, and I'm sorry if that made you uncomfortable. I seriously was not trying to be the ass I suggested in my post and if I came off that way, it was simply eagerness on my part to make a clearer point and I'm sorry.

Sally - The dog is not mine to give, so I'm sorry but you can't have him/her. If my wife should ever tire of me, I promise you can have dibbs.

Deven - It's not about you, really. It's about Freaky, as are all posts on OS. And I didn't read "Twilight", as far as you know.
Being able to respectfully agree to disagree is an important part being a civilized human being.
Thanks!

I used to share a classroom with a guy who LOVED Bush. We didn't even bother to talk politics--but we did joke with each other about it --when we both vote, we just cancel each other out. We left it at that and got along quite well.
I totally agree! But then you had me at the lab photo. A lab could probably get me to agree to anything. Nice touch. Next time start an argument with a picture of Britany Spears, and we'll see where we end up. But I'll still respect your right to be wrong. ;)
Dear Bill S.

I didn't take offense to anything you said! I didn't think your elaboration applied to me. So, do not worry at all.

You are a gentleman with a kind heart, a rarity. Your presence here on Open Salon, a gift.

xox

denese
The thing that makes you such a beautiful, glorious, WONDERFUL thing on Open Salon Bill is that from day one, you have always questioned certain posts or comments with grace, dignity and class.
There's an art to that and it's anything but being an asshole. I would tell you that I am the same way in my life off of Open Salon.

I wish I could integrate my real life proclivities to Open Salon, but it's hard for me. I tend to let go way too often, but that's my anti-Greg that only exists on here. Maybe it's unfortunate for some but I'd rather be more honest with my feelings on here than to hurt the people in my life causing irreparable damage. Hypocritical, I know and it does make me feel badly.

I totally get this post though because when I'm an ass, I admit it. Some people lack that ability (Dick Cheney, Rush Limbaugh, GordonO). You see, I had to throw that in just for good measure.

Well done my friend. Stay JUST the way you are.
Rated
I completely disagree that you have a right to disagree and find it disagreeable that you should say so. Furthermore, I am offended by the offensive stance of your offense--how dare you say it (I can read between the lines!).
believe it or not, you just may have saved my marriage! I'm serious.

Great insights here, Bill. Excellent and timely post (and unlike you, I AM referring to a certain something...cough, cough.... Teddy Kennedy... cough, cough)
You are, indeed, wrong about broccoli but then you may not have enough information to be definitive. Got rutabaga?