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SEPTEMBER 7, 2010 1:13PM

Dell Just Lost Another Customer

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On 8/17 I purchased a brand-spankin’-new computer system from Dell.  This was my second machine from Dell, and my fourth machine overall in over 20 years of home computing.  For the tech heads amongst you, it was a pretty decently put-together machine:  AMD Athlon quad core processor, 6 Gb of memory, 1 T hard disk, and I even decided to go whole hog and order it with Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit.  I did upgrade the sound option from their on-board stuff to a Soundblaster card, and I dismissed the speakers as I have a nice set already at home.

The first sign that this would be a less-than-stellar experience should  have been when I arrived home about 5 days later to find a package on my doorstep from Dell.  It was the sound card.  I was a bit surprised to see it, as I assumed (since past experience indicated) that they would install the sound card before shipping the machine.  Now, I’m an old hand at installing sound and video cards, so it didn’t upset me.

When the machine arrived, the second thing that should have sent up warning flags was the complete and utter lack of meaningful documentation as well as install disks.  Apparently nowadays you are expected to just plug the different components together and make a restore disk for your use if things should go weird.  Well, I had to open the case to install the sound card, and there wasn’t a damn thing in the setup guide that showed me how to get the new case open. 

This initiated a call to tech support, which should have been the third red flag.  Kept on the phone for 15 minutes because my call was so important to them that they couldn’t find an available technician, my 11-year-old daughter and I finally figured out how to open the case and get the sound card properly seated in the PCI slot.  When I was informed by the lovely automated voice at Dell that my call wait time might be longer than ten minutes and perhaps I should try again at a later time, I simply hung up.  After all, I had solved my own problem, no thanks to them.

The last straw was Labor Day.  My machine booted up normally, but later in the day when I tried to open MS Word from MS Office Starter Edition 2010, it said it could not open and try again later or go to Control Panel and repair the software.  Well, since I didn’t WANT to try again later, I did as instructed and initiated a repair.  It said it was successful, but I was still unable to open Word.  I figured, it being a holiday, I’d wait until the next day to seek assistance.  That is, until Google Picasa 3 (photo editing software), which I had installed over a week ago and used repeatedly without issue since, started throwing errors.  It opened, but none of my photos would display in it.

Frustrated at this point, I initiated my call to tech support.  The first technician, whom I assume was nothing more than a phone operator, took my info and gleefully reported that he had to switch me to the appropriate tech for my machine and to please hold.  Somewhere around 5 minutes later, I got a second tech who once again took all my information and told me cheerfully that he’d be happy to help me with my laptop.  “No”, I corrected him – “I have a DESKTOP system.”  Well, he’d still be happy to forward me to the correct technician if I’d please hold.

After half an hour on hold, I got technician #3.  This fellow listened attentively to my issues, and suggested we start a remote assistance session so he could look at my machine.  We reached a point where I was supposed to agree to the terms of the remote session, but I had (what I thought was) a very valid question.  The instructions for the remote session involved downloading software from Dell to make the remote connection, and those instructions included removal of the software for every operating system except the one I had.  The technician happily insisted I just needed to click on “I Agree” and we’d be fine.  No, I insisted.  Clicking “I Agree” means I agree to all the terms on the left, and I want to be able to uninstall this software after we’re done.  The now-less-than-cheerful response was to just please click “I Agree” so we could proceed. 

Once the remote session was established, the technician tried to start the software which of course wouldn’t start.  He then performed the exact same task I told him I had already done and tried to repair it via the control panel.   Pleased with its success, he then once more attempted to start the program only to be thwarted by the very same error message.  “Well, since this software is only available as a burn-in on your machine, I’m afraid you’ll have to restore the system to the factory settings in order to fix it.” 

At which point I expressed my severe dis-satisfaction with the company he represented as well as Microsoft.  I reminded him that this machine was a mere ten days old in my house; that it had taken me hours to copy over necessary files from my old system, and hours more to begin the painful process of re-installing software I needed.  Now he was telling me I’d have to it all over again.  Who would pay me for the time I’d already invested?  He didn’t have an answer except to tell me that he agreed but could do nothing further.  So I did what any irate customer would do; I asked to speak to the manager.

It took less time to get the tech support manager on the phone.  He understood my frustration (not really but I always let them spew their platitudes) but it was the only way to resolve the problem.  I then explained to him that this was unacceptable because, should the problem occur again in a month, I’d be right back where I’d started.  I told him I have worked with personal computers for over 25 years and their “solution” was no solution at all.

He then made the mistake of suggesting the possibility that something I had installed had corrupted the software installation for MS Office.  To which I replied, “wait a minute – are SERIOUSLY suggesting that I should purchase a computer from your company and then NEVER INSTALL ANY SOFTWARE ON IT??? “  Knowing that nothing could be gained from this, I thanked him for being absolutely no help at all and hung up.

Funny, when you call Dell to order a system the sales department is open 24/7/365.   But when you call for customer service, such as requesting a return authorization for a machine that you no longer need, they’re only staffed during normal business hours.  I guess I know where Dell places their value, and it sure as hell isn’t on customer service.

I’m sending them the machine back.  I pray that my old system continues to lumber along until such time as I can get my account credited for the machine I am returning and then try to perform yet another search for a system from a vendor I can be happy with.

But I won’t buy another Dell computer.  My purchase included the licensing for the software on the machine, and for that I should receive installation disks.  Now they charge you extra for those.  I’m also completely dis-satisfied with Microsoft.  Looking through their forums, many of the problems I see cropping up on this machine have been reported ad nauseum ad infinitum, and there doesn’t seem to be a whole lot of positive replies from knowledgeable people that actually helped resolve anything.

Maybe it’s time to start looking at Macintosh.

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Well, notwithstanding your own skills, if you do go the Mac route, you have my phone number for your personal tech assistant and I won't require you to click on anything that says "I agree." Plus, you can run most versions of Windows on your Intel Mac, so your software investments won't be lost. Just saying... =)
Hey, Bill, a Mac is a good choice for a lot of people. Shifting over from Windows involves unlearning some basic habits, but it's doable. If there's an Apple store in your area, that's another plus for being able to get simple problems fixed (usually) without too much hassle.
So much for that famous Dell support.
Had a similar expereince with Dell myself. Everyone I talked to I could hardly understand and they did not listen to me.

Yeah. MAC.....
Bill, if you want an excellent desktop and dependable tech support, I would recommend Puget Custom Computers:

http://www.pugetsystems.com/

I am not affiliated with them in any manner whatsoever. It is just where I would go for a solid, dependable desktop.
Years ago, when I was a pc tech, we used to have a policy we'd share with anyone that was willing to listen: "Never buy a computer from a company that rhymes with "Hell"." Back then, there were a couple of companies that all rhymed, and you should never have bought from any of them. Recently, someone told me Dell was so much better than before. Guess he was misinformed.
I had the same thought after my last Dell and working with Windows VISTA. Still, I got a cheap Toshiba with Windows 7 instead of going the Apple route. It's been a lot better than my Dell experience. It's a shame, Dell used ot make good products and provide good service. Not anymore.
I never buy a computer that's been pre-assembled. Dell makes great monitors, but that's about it.
Definitely taking this under advisement for future puchases.
What causes me the most pain is dealing with Tech Support and Customer Service people who are not easily understood, who are "sorry for the inconvenience" but cannot offer up a viable solution, and a company unwilling to do right by its customers. I spent a good piece of hard-earned money on that machine. I don't expect to have issues right out of the gate. As for software, Microsoft is equally to blame for putting buggy stuff on customer's machines and not providing any reasonable recourse either.
I spoke to the tech support manager last night, because they were the only department open. I told him I was not pleased with their "solution" that did not actually resolve the problem permanently and that I wanted an RA for the equipment to send it back. He kept telling me he couldn't do that, only customer service could do that and I'd have to call back AGAIN (making it the fifth or sixth time in 24 hours).

Way to empower your employees, Dell. A MANAGER could not issue an RA.
Buy a Mac. Or build your own PC from components at your local mega-electronics store (you have a Fry's near you?). From experience, the Mac side of things has far fewer WTF moments, everything more or less makes sense and works together.
Bill!!! How good to see you on here again, even if under such trying circumstances.

There's a website called despair.com. One of their slogans is about customer (dis)service: "We're Not Happy Until You're Not Happy."
Another is about apathy: "If We Don't Take Care of the Customer, Maybe They'll Stop Bugging Us".

Sounds like Dell has been listening.
Mac. Yup. Because every PC company I've had to deal with cared only about sales and nothing about service.

My first computer was a Compaq -- and it was my last Compaq. I discovered that big, impressive looking "upgradable" tower didn't even allow you to upgrade the dial-up modem, and the software installed for personal contact information had no provision to back-up that information.

Such practices eventually made Compaq ripe for acquisition, and HP fed on it's rotting carcass. But as could be expected, it wasn't Compaq that improved, but HP that was infected by Compaq.

HP was once one of the best companies in the world, and now its one of the worst, thanks to hiring whores like Carly Fiorina and Mark Hurd to run the show. They may have improved the bottom line temporarily -- even that's debatable -- but the cost-cutting and throat-cutting methods they employed were expensive in the long run.

Thanks to these high-rolling, crap-shooting fast-talkers, I will NEVER buy another HP product -- not after getting burned by the fiasco that was HP's DV series of laptops and a (dis)service department dumped offshore where people purport to speak English. That said, even the people I dealt with here in the states cared not one whit about service or customers.
"Maybe it’s time to start looking at Macintosh."

Well, of course it is, silly. ;)

However, if you do want to go the PC route: I and several other people I know have Toshibas, and none of us has ever had a problem with it (other than the ubiquitous MS crash). Pricewise, they were right in line with or even less expensive than the competitors (which Mac cannot, alas, make a claim to). I love mine, and I am NOT a PC person (Mac since '85), so that's saying something. So basically, I second the Turtle's suggestion on that.
Typical story. Sorry to hear. Dell was one of the good guys for a while. Size and a need to squeeze margin will do that to the support infrastructure. Put in the right tag lines and the blog ought to pop up for a while when folks look for Dell reviews. Plug in the model numbers, etc. Let the blog post be the gift that keeps on giving. :)
I got so fed up 7 years ago I switched to Mac...still have and never had an issue with any of the 6...(ok, so I confess I love computers which run.) You have my sympathy.
I would love to take a Mac for a test spin, but even the low end models are out of my current budget.

I've got some time to look around, I just have to box up this poor excuse for a machine and ship it back to Dell and then hook up my old box again. It's slow, but it is still working for now.

Woolley - I like your idea. A lot. :-D

Stellaa - No worries. I never think posts are about me. I'm not exactly so interesting that people want to write about me. :-D
UPDATE: A Tech Support manager called today while I was at work, and told my wife he was following up on our problem report. "Was your problem resolved satisfactorily?" My wife's reply: "Oh yes. We packed the computer up and shipped it back to you. Once you credit our account, we'll be satisfied not to do business with you again."

She makes me proud, that woman I married.
I'm chiming in: Mac. Great machine plus you get Barry to answer all your questions. Or me. But I'd just love to tell your live voice how glad I am to see you posting something, anything, whatever. XO
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