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AUGUST 23, 2010 1:35PM

Operation Cyclone, Osama Bin Laden and the 9/11 Mosque

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I'm not going to try to debate this one with reason or logic.  People have pointed out that we aren't talking about a mosque located at the site of the WTC buildings, but that hasn't seemed to help.  Then I somehow was linked to an article on Humanevents.com, claiming that this Imam Rauf has said that the US is worse than Al-Queda.  I'm not saying Human Events has a conservative slant, but their banners seem to be just ads for Ann Coulter. People were pissed about the mosque, though.  I wept for my country.  Joe Rogan has a bit where he talks about CNN polls, laughing that if Americans were honest every poll would be 100% "I have no f*cking idea".  I'm not going to defend Iman Rauf.  John Stewart did a good job of that.  Instead, I'm just going to tell you about Al-Qaeda and the Taliban.  I'm a trained historian, and let me tell you that there is a chance that AQ did not exist before the 9/11 attacks.  I'm not saying we did it because I don't know, but there is a distinct possibility that AQ, 'the base' in Arabic, refers to a computer database containing the names of US and CIA assets in the Middle East like Osama bin Ladin and Ayman al-Zawahiri.  Let me remind you, this is ONLY a theory explained in the BBC documentary "The Power of Nightmares".  I am not sure if the theory is true.  But now let's talk about the Taliban.

Operation Cyclone was a CIA program approved by Presidents Carter and Reagan.  In 1979, Zbigniew and current Defense Sec. Robert Gates travelled to Afghanistan to ally themselves with Pashtun Drug dealers and certain outside "freedom-fighters" like Osama Bin Laden.  See my previous articles on Afghanistan for details.  Now, I'm not blaming the Liberal elites specifically: I'm pretty sure Kissinger and Rumsfeld were there at some point,  but the Neocons don't like to admit things to foreign Magazines like Le Nouvel Observateur.  Anyway Operation Cyclone aimed to force the Russians to invade Afghanistan in response to a US presence in the Middle East.  Years later, Brzezinski would write the Time magazine article naming Gates one of 2007's most influential people.  Isn't that nice.  According to the Wikipedia Article on Cyclone, Between 1979 and 1989 the US government gave over a billion dollars to "militant Islamic groups that were favored by neighboring Pakistan, rather than other, less ideological Afghan resistance groups that had also been fighting the Marxist-oriented Afghan regime since before the Soviet intervention."

Let that sink in for a second.  Yes, the wars are a sham. Yes, millions have died for nothing.  Yes, the United States created the precursors to the Taliban and indirectly caused the 9/11 attacks.  Yes, everything you know and believe is a lie.   But it's not your fault.  I mean, think for a second.  With the media, internet, and social networking the world has the potential for more connective discussion than at any point in human history.  It would take a massive conspiracy of silence to keep this information from reaching the American people.  Just saying.

 

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"It would take a massive conspiracy of silence to keep this information from reaching the American people. "

And such a thing would be possible and when hell froze over? ~R
Hell froze over sometime around 1950, and nobody noticed.
old news dude, but thanks for noticing. the point you kinda gloss over is whether the CIA co-created Al Qaeda to undermine the soviet invasion, or if there was something more sinister at play. and I dont know what you mean by "forcing the soviet union to invade". how do you force someone to invade? thats a whole can of worms alone....
fyi, I dont know who 1st revealed this, but much of this can be found in the works of cia agent robert baer from years ago.
Damn vzn. Do I have to get down on my knees to make you happy? (BTW Amanda G- Still not gay)
Suck it vzn. I'm glad someone finally said it.
I posted party of Power of Nightmares at http://open.salon.com/blog/conspiracy check it out and rate.
Oh, Vzn, I was so busy insulting you that I forgot to refute your point. Go find Brzezinski's interview, I think I quoted it at some point a few months back. He speaks of trying to draw the Russians into an Afghan trap long before they invaded, and after the first bombs dropped he wrote to Carter that America now had the chance to give Russia a Vietnam War.
the truth is depressing enough, the wilder conspiracy theories are quite unnecessary.

america did create alqaeda and the taliban, just as they created the vietcong and pathet lao, and kmer rouge.

the process was somewhat inadvertent however: various american grandees wanted things in those countries and took action to get them. not so strangely enough, residents resented the resulting coups, assassinations and puppet dictatorships.

alqaeda was born from long struggle against the west, taliban from a reaction to the bandits armed by the usa in their struggle to chuck the ussr out of afghanistan.

there's a good argument that the activities of the cia were consistently against the long term interest of the usa, but the short term interest of the cia is quite different.
Hahaha, thanks Cruz but I'm not sure you can sign up for this. And it's just me here, all alone trying to save America from the corporations. I'm failing, if anyone out there was keeping score.