JULY 15, 2008 4:35PM

What is Satire?

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Are necessary components of satire that (a) someone's feeling's must be hurt by the joke (usually the target of the joke itself); and/or (b) that a large segment of the intended target of the joke doesn't get the joke or doesn't think it's funny?

It seems to me that if neither of the above two aspects are present, we're probably not talking about satire anymore. If satire is harmless and safe, it becomes something else altogether, I'd say. If you remove all of the interesting/harmful elements of a joke, it becomes the equvalent of hospital food; where it's too bland and overcooked in an effort to satisfy the palettes of the lowest common denominator.

Was the sitcom "All in the Family" an example of failed satire, since Archie Bunker became such an icon and role model for a huge segment of the American viewing audience?

Finally, the fact that a large percentage of Worldnet.com's readership failed to understand the intent of the New Yorker magazine cover cartoon doesn't tell me anything, really. The real intended effects of the magazine cover may not be realized for months, or even years.

ps--It REALLY depresses me to think about how much publicity this one magazine cover is getting compared to the FISA vote last week. That aspect right there is a clear indication of just how far this county's priorities have gone out of whack.

pps--I've read enough posts and comments from the regulars here that I feel like I can predict how they will react on any given topic. This New Yorker cover controversy has blown all that out of the water, though. I've been quite surprised by several people's reactions so far. Very interesting, indeed!

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I always liked the way Mad Magazine handled satire back in the '60s. I subscribed for a long time as a kid and it helped me to sharpen my satirical skills. They achieved the kind of humor I enjoy in satire and it didn't take much to "get it."
I grew up on Mad Magazine as well. That, SNL, and Richard Pryor albums.
I think it's preferable that satire be funny. I think the person presenting the satire would HOPE that people find it funny.
No satire does not have to be funny - its goal is to expose or denounce, not necessarily to entertain. Exposing/denouncing CAN be done in an entertaining way, but entertainment is neither a necessary nor sufficient condition for doing so.
But if you're gonna go to the trouble, you might as well spice it up with humor while you're at it. Nothing wrong with some "style points."

I think what happens sometimes it that the satire itself is not initially funny, but the way it's intended target reacts can sometimes be quite hilarious. The gift that keeps giving, as they say.
Anyone see The Aristocrats? Sarah Silverman made me cringe in that. She always makes me cringe. But I can't dismiss her outright because I think she may be another Lenny Bruce. On the other hand, she may be just another Andrew Dice Clay. I can't decide.
Sarah Silverman was the only good thing about the Aristocats. I sat there thinking, this is a remarkably unfunny movie about a pretty unfunny joke - and then she just tore the house down with her rendition. She is a genius, Lenny Bruce with (really great) boobs.
I think she' somewhere in between. She's genuinely funny, unlike Clay.

I was disappointed with "The Aristocrats," though. Maybe I was expecting too much. I was also disappointed with Silverman's "Jesus is Magic." It created such a buzz, and she was on the cover of Rolling Stone. Again, I probably expected too much.
I think the humor in satire can be awfully uncomfortable when people finally realize they are being laughed AT rather than laughed WITH.
One of my favorite purveyors of humorous satire is comedian Marc Maron. There's a link to the left here, and you can go to his site and click on "Sedition Radio" and it will link to a stream of radio comedy bits from his Morning Sedition radio show back in the heyday of Air America. (When it was entertaining and they employed talented people!) Highly recommended!
Likewise, I thought Al Franken did a great job while he was still on and I like Rachel Maddow for the same reasons.
Al was good at first, but kinda ran out of gas after a while, I thought. And Rachel's always been great.
I prefer my satire with humor (I'm another '60s MAD reader), but can take it straight.
I think the world in general is helped with a touch of humor, particularly satire. If I overthink a bothersome subject, like the FISA vote that still is playing "Gold Bug" into my brain, I get morose and bellicose and some other -ose. I love Jon Stewart and his ilk though I agree with Stellaa that too much humor can relax the masses into acceptance instead of inspiring them to march in the streets. But that could just be the way the world is working, shop to defeat economic woes and terrorists, don't feel a need to sacrifice or demonstrate. Take some soma (oh and Soylent Green is people).

BTW, I saw "The Aristocrats" and hated it, so much hype for a filthy unfunny movie. The only part I liked was when Jon Stewart delivered the "joke." He has class even when faced with crass. JMHO.
Did anyone watch the Sarah Silverman show? She always makes me cringe too. I watched the show and the other people on it were funny at times but her character (deliberately) was just unlikeable and mostly made me cringe -though it had it's moments. Sleeping with GOD was an interesting.

She is just not mainstream enough to be really successful. I don't think that's a bad thing.
The Aristocrats was marketed as a funny movie and there were all those comedians in it, but no it was not a funny movie. That's because it was about what makes something funny, which by its nature, is a serious subject. I think they took a joke that was not funny, but that every comedian was familiar with, to show what could be done with it.

I think that professional comedians, for the most part, are some of the most serious people around, and this was a movie that was about and for them, more than for us.