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MARCH 12, 2010 1:44PM

The ebb and flow of faith

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Hebrews 11:1 “Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see.” (NIV)

 

It’s hard to believe in something that your mind tells you isn’t possible.  Take the Christian story of the Resurrection.  The fact is – people die and they do not get up and walk among us again.  Period.  Usually.  Hardly ever.

No one living today has it easy when it comes to embracing Christian belief.  We are not only outside of the direct experience of all of Christ’s purported miracles; we are outside the reach of their direct oral history.  

The American Heritage dictionary defines faith as 1. Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing. 2. Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence.  We have to possess great faith to make the decision to believe.  

I’ve vacillated back and forth between a decision to believe and a decision to not believe most of my life. 

Part of it because I am a grey-area kind of gal.  Give me just about any topic and I can probably argue both sides of it.  Maybe that’s why I like President Obama so much – he’s a grey-area kind of guy.  When he talks about his faith, I can tell he probably made his faith decision in much the same way and for many of the same reasons as I did. 

As a pre-teen, the Bible and church seemed fascinating because they were not things that were part of my life or my parents’ lives.  Sure, my parents said they were Christians, and they threw some religions references out there to support their points, such as when they were inveighing against extra-marital sex.  (Unsuccessfully, I might add.) 

But they didn’t attend church and openly reviled the preachers who lived high on the hog in church-provided homes while their parishioners struggled to feed and clothe their families. 

I grew up in Tulsa OK, land of Oral Roberts and RHEMA Bible College. So all the cool kids at school attended Young Life, went to church every week, went to church camps and generally bought into the whole idea of organized religion.  That combined with my campaign to be not-my-parents was enough to make me want to give Christianity a try. 

I read the whole Bible cover to cover when I was thirteen and went to church occasionally with friends and with my boyfriend.  I even attended a few Young Life events at the home of schoolmate Katie Inhofe (yes, daughter of that Inhofe).

However, after a couple of years on the debate team, hanging around with the theater kids and reading Camus, Sartre and yes, Ayn Rand, I decided that I was not a Christian after all.  Even so, I had a hard time relinquishing all belief – some instinctual part of me continued to insist that there was something else beyond what we could see and touch. 

My college years saw a detour into Reform Judaism – being serious about a young Jewish man, I took Hebrew and started conversion classes.  That didn’t have ultimate sticking power once I realized the guy in question was not The One.  Back to agnosticism I went.

I married a cradle-born Episcopal at age twenty-eight; my former altar boy and Episcopal church camp counselor requested that we marry in a church.  I flat-out told the priest I was not really a Christian, that I didn’t know what I believed. 

This kind priest told me to be patient, that he had faith I’d find answers to the questions that troubled me; after a series of counseling sessions with us, he was happy to marry us. 

He was my first real introduction to what I consider to be “thinking Christianity”.  He wasn’t spouting doctrine; he genuinely cared about my understanding, and validated my questions and concerns.  His faith was not rote to him.  It was hard-won belief which visibly guided him and cushioned his path through the world.  He wanted the same for me, some day, when I was ready.

I wasn’t ready.  It took several years until I was open to the idea of church and belief.  It took a parking ticket to get me into a church again.

My husband had taken to parking in a certain lot near his office, because his parking garage was horribly expensive and inconvenient.  Unfortunately, the owners of the lot didn’t appreciate that, and got him towed.  So, one day he went looking for a alternate parking spot, and found one – on the street behind an Episcopal church.  He parked there for a few days, each day becoming more certain that we were supposed to go to that church, that maybe there was a home for us there. 

I humored him and went.  Rather than judgment and anger, I found interest and kindness when I told the congregants that I was not a Christian, but was simply attending services with my husband.  Over the course of a couple of year, after many hours of discussions where no one ever – not once – pressured me, I got baptized. 

For me, there was one interaction that allowed to make that final step.  I was explaining for the 10 millionth time that I could not, would not, believe that any loving or just God would condemn all non-believers to Hell.  The priest looked at me and said “Well, Laura, it’s not like what you or I believe matters – whatever God has decided in that regard is how it is.  What you and I think won’t change that.  So, you don’t have to know the answer to that question to believe in Him.”

So began our almost decade-long sojourn as regular church-goers.  The community aspect of church-going is wonderful.  It’s just what my no-extended-family needy soul most craves.  People who cared about us were there when  we were ill, or tired, or fed-up.  People supported us when we miscarried and when we delivered Jacob months early, providing an early baby shower with everything we could possibly need, food for us while we were too busy at the hospital to cook and a shoulder to cry on as we went from doctor to doctor during his first year.

Quickly, attending church became less about what I believed and more about hanging out with friends, having plans, being a part of something.  I wrote here earlier about divorcing our church.  In the process of that painful separation, I realized that I had been going through the motions; I had not really thought about what I believed in a very, very long time.  I was not taking proper care with what my child was being exposed to and taught. 

I still identify myself as a Christian.  So much of Christ’s teaching is a blue-print I would be proud to follow if I could just be a little more selfless, a little more thoughtful, a little more there for others.  So, though I am wavering badly, I have not totally renounced my decision to believe. 

I have pulled back; Sunday is now a day for family breakfast at the local health food restaurant, for taking our son to the park, for concentrating on each other.  Maybe we’ll attend Easter services.  Maybe we won't.

I suspect that there is an ebb and flow of spiritual life for everyone.  I don’t know; I do know that I feel something missing where something used to be.  I just have to decide if what used to be there was a shining diamond or a rhinestone, pasted on in the desire to look like the popular kids.

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I love your term "thinking Christian". Aren't too many of us around, it sometimes feels.

I wonder if going to hang out with friends and socializing with community isn't the original point of church, though. Mostly what Jesus did in his life was hang out with friends and socialize. Not that contemplative practice isn't important, but I think the point is to have relationship with each other, rather than an imaginary friend-type relationship with God.

If you think about it.
I like this and they way you search with your heart and your head. There is a reason we have both.
Donna - Thank you. It's really hard to dis-entangle the church thing from the social thing from the what-do-you-really-believe thing here isn't it...

Maureen - Thank you so much. I do really miss the social aspect, and I know that community is so important. Interestingly, only two people from the church I discusssed leaving in my earlier post have even attempted to do anything with us since we left. Some are still FB "friends", but I guess it was us being there, not us ourselves, that most of them cared about.

Lady Dove - Thank you. Sometimes I wish I were not a grey-area type and could just commit. I feel so confused much of the time.
Fascinating and mind boggling.
I flashed back to the post-war.
Remember the long-hair Jesu?
`
Peole in metal chaos flocked to church.
I never was too infatuated with attendance.
But, I loved those who did sing in the choirs.
I always learn if I listen and respect spirituality.
It so personal. I ask. There's appropriate`Word?
I still just call me` ignorant human. This was Great!

I jest that, I have`insights too `goofy.
It's called allowing`idiots/sages `Be.
\;)
There's a word for dark/Light, day/night?
I forget it. It embraces evil base creep scum.

^/+
It makes sense to me. Soren K.'s Faith?
He was thee existential sorta `Stinker.
A old sage ask me to read Kierkegaard.
Soren K. was not a easy lullabied read.
He taught that a "leap of faith" is a must.
I still can just grasp bits that cheer one ups?
But, the Faith-Struggle is still a `No Seeing!
But, the struggle is it! No evidence`of Faith!
It's sorta like jumping off the Moon`and fly!
O Hebrew!
Catch Moses!
Catch Barack O!
No evidence tho!
SK loves, even so much he never `weds her!
I shall research his Faith Teaching`so great!

Thanks. This stirs 'stuff' I've not processed.
I know historical 'radicals' are Gnosis Good.
The politics kill, torture, hang, mock truths.
I never became a Jesu`freak, but, why kills?

Jesus is so misquoted. `Words. Read folks!
Read `The Year Of The Gerbil . - by Con C.?
huh?
Ba Ba.
La La.
heehaws.
Hope we/me be on a horizon/pennants list?
Sin a bit. Get real. Faith. Forgiven. No Fear!

Preacher may be up a river eating rot livers!
Scribes. Media Harlots. Lie propaganda lies!
Same-same.
Shame-shame.
Read the Divine Milieu? Ask janitors daughter?
I loved the janitor daughter who mashed potato!

She was the daughter of the Episcopalian Pa Pa.!
Wherever two or more Episcopalians meets sips!

Baptist, Pagan, monk/nun, Amish? Buy 2- fifths!
Wherever Friends meet, 'um sip rose wild-tea-ah!
Wild Turkey?
Jim Beams?
Cheap beer?
Be sober tho.
This would be a nice discussion on a musty old `:`Lovebirds Lazy Boy/Girl couch.
You know? fun.
I've no answers.
This was inspired.
I love these probes.
I still no take baths.
Old elders are more stupic, ugly, pleasant, irony, gentle, ignorant, chubby, harmless,
and stink a little bit.
Humans are not too dumb?
We all's know more whats?
More than we dare say @ OP.'
Gracious.
Art - Where four Episopalians are gathered, there's a Fifth...I am going home to dig in the book boxes for my Kierkegaard from college...Thanks!
I think there's a big difference between the teachings of Jesus and dogma (which is the list of rules and regulations the Church has come up with). A thinking Christian would approach every aspect of his/her life critically, asking him/herself if he/she is behaving according to the teachings.
I was born and raised a Catholic. I've managed to question myself many times throughout the years and give certains things a "try". I always go back to the Church. I've learned to ignore the trappings that surround my faith. Let me keep what is important intact.
Try not to get bogged down in the human aspect of faith and religion. I realize this is tough because that's all we have to go on, but humans have a tendancy to distort, exploit, alter at will, and cram God into a package small enough they can understand.
That's what murks the water.
Excellent! You capture the dilema and the angst of wanting it but knowing you have't found it. I wrote a piece "Searching for a Revolution" about my spirit search.
"R"
Very thoughtful post, nice work.

Political intrusions on Faith are what has been the problem all along.

I think a lot of folks keep the faith because it works. When you are really stressed, surrounding yourself in the healing light of Jesus really works for many people. The politics are twisted to make it important whether this is a sign of god or a physiological reaction in order to further power or consolidate the status quo. This has nothing to do with an individual who seeks clarity sitting down and praying, which is meditation, taken from the East before the time of Christ and used in the Mysteries and under the name of prayer in the New Testament. Funny, say meditation works on stress and the response is yes of course. Say prayer and skeptics conclude you must be a Fairy Tale follower per se.

The Church is Antiquity talking to us with a heavy hand. The Church is Rome- and all its politics- here with us to this day. Why? Because, like it or not, the now aggrandized religions of Antiquity were cruel and violent at every turn; this allowed Christians to win by leading by example ... but its 2010 now so hopefully enough of us will be educated and step past this ... I believe the young generations of today are impossible in whole to indoctrinate ... too much info, almost all of it!, right at their fingertips.

Bless You
Blue, this is great. I've wanted to write about something like this, but for me there's more meander than focus to it. One thing is to separate the ideas of faith and belief. Let's assume god is. Beyond that, any way we try to define her is wrong--always too small. Most evangelicals I know, and all of those I've heard in the media have defined god, usually in their own image. But we can go forth in faith anyway. How we do that--the search within, the journey, how we relate to the world--then becomes the issue rather than what we believe. We have each other, we have the world, and we have the silence of god. In other words, all we have is today, and it is enough.

You can find similar themes in the mysticism of any tradition. I've heard (and believe it's true) that the mystics of each tradition have more in common with each other than they do with their mainline groups.

Just a few thoughts in response to your outstanding post. Thanks.
I was raised culturally Jewish by parents who were non-believers. I read the Bible at 18 because on English teacher told me that these stories were the common ground of our culture and if I wanted to be a writer, I needed to know them. I read the Bible as a collection of stories about men and women testing their faith, questioning their concepts of a creator and their relationship with that creator if they found one. I had many unsuccessful experiments. I tried keeping Sabbath. It was boring. I tried attending services. The rabbis didn't say anything that helped me have a connection with deity.
But about a decade ago, on Yom Kippur, I was writing at my computer when suddenly I literally SAW what I can only describe as God in Everything. It was so obvious I wondered why I hadn't seen it before. Nobody eats on Yom Kippur. That's a cultural taboo. But I wanted to test it. I ate a gummy bear. Nothing happened. I could still see God in Everything. For 4 days I did not need to eat or sleep. I could do so if I chose. I could not become upset. I laughed when I thought of things that used to upset me. I felt a secure hand holding me by the brain. Then, as quickly as it came, it was gone.
I think this was a true spiritual experience. While I had it, I could not doubt God. Since it has gone, I wonder what kind of deity can reveal itself so clearly, so physically, but doesn't most of the time. And I question my memory -- did this really happen or was it an extended dream?
So, my answer, -- if there is a God, and if I truly experienced it, then it is a loving God that does not care what we believe. It makes no demands. It does not share our interpretations. It simply is. And when we are lucky, we can feel connected, not just to it, but to everything.
Blue this is super. It certainly speaks to me. I agree with you, that our faith does ebb and flow. If only we didn't question.
v. seijo - Thanks for your comment. The teachings are a lot to live up to. I know I need to do more critical thinking.

Melinda - Thanks for your insightful comment. I know what you mean about the small package. I often curse my tendency to want to understand things I can't ever understand in my own terms.

jeffrey - I have seen the same thing too. Thanks for your comment.

Mimetalker - Thanks so much. I will go check out your post...

Oahusurfer - I think that is the answer - people keep striving to keep the faith - some faith in something - b/c it does work. Thanks for your comment.

Deborah - as always, thanks for stopping by. I don't get your comment though? Did you think the piece was poorly written or you just think writing about faith is dumb, or something else?

charliemk - Thanks so much for your comment. It is fascinating to me how much different faith traditions and mythologies have in common. I guess people by nature are seekers. I will be interested to read your take on the subject.

chick - thanks so much for sharing your wonderful and unique experience. I have always wanted to feel something like that. Perhaps I want it so badly that I can't let myself have it.

Fay - thanks so much for your comment. I guess if it weren't for the times we question, the times we don't wouldn't have as much meanging maybe.
Sorry - wouldn't have as much meaning. I can't type...
The path of life you're describing is one that is familiar to me - although, until someone breaks their silence about the journey, we're alone along the way. The cacophony of voices that fill our daily lives and compete for attention distracts. After reading your post, I feel comfort of a shared experience questioning issues of Faith. "Thinking Christian" is a reassurance that it's OK. Thanks for the post.
It's like the priest said -- our acceptance of God and faith are not near as important as God's acceptance of us and faith in us. It really isn't about humans -- it's about God...

Grew up in west Texas -- still live in Texas in a really red Baptist area -- I can identify... enjoyed reading
Absolutely it ebbs and flows. Doubt is the other side of faith; the shadow that we all must face in our walk and not just once, but over and over again. The nature of the world challenges faith and we must decide daily whether to continue that walk.

Don't feel bad. Faith is a personal journey and it sounds to me like you're on the right road. Over our life, our faith continues to grow and develop as we learn more and draw closer to God. Church is nice, but it's really more of a gathering spot of people on the same journey - kind of like a road map.

And another thing - it's ok to not have all the answers. None of us do. If anybody is so rigid as to tell you they can answer any question regarding God, faith or religion, they're lying. That's what real faith is all about - being able to accept that we won't understand it all and learning to live with the questions.

Sorry if I'm delving too deep, but this is a great entry. Thanks for sharing it!
I'm with you. Raised by a Jew and an atheist, experimenter, baptized at 38 and Pillar of the Protestants for a while and now...a practicing Buddhist who makes a big Passover dinner, packs her kid off to church youth group once a week, and reads Thomas Merton. I have the most interesting theological conversations with my atheist dad (who knows more actual theology than anybody I know) and a friend who is a "Thinking Christian" and open to many forms of spirituality. You are not alone, and this was a great exploration of a topic I have honestly been afraid to write about in this forum.
For me, and it sounds like for you as well, having faih means being ok with not having answers. While I was raised Epsicopalian, I wouldn't call the faith I have today Christian. I would call it something more encompassing - but I would never call it well defined!
Blue, I nearly passed this post up - I generally don't read things about religion ("Faith" is often a euphemism for religion, and religion generally leaves me cold.). I'm glad I read your essay, though - it's wonderfully written, and captures a bit of your spiritual journey. ~r for thoughtful deliberation!
I loved your phrase the "ebb and flow of spiritual life." I completely relate. Peace on your faith walk.
R
well-written, honest post, blue. i truly envy those that believe with no questions or wavering, but i doubt it will ever happen for me.

keep on your journey and enjoy those special sunday mornings with your loved ones. if there is a god, i don't think he/she would be offended by the love being shared amongst you. (r)
"So much of Christ’s teaching is a blue-print I would be proud to follow if I could just be a little more selfless, a little more thoughtful, a little more there for others." For me, blue, this is the moral core of your post. The very fact that you (we) know we COULD be more, could, as Adam Smith says, "feel much for others and less for ourselves," speaks to human dignity (we can make the choice to do right) and virtue--we are limited beings, and that limitation is what gives our good acts their moral resonance.
I have taken many of my posts and put them on a blogspot. Some I updated a little, but you may find this one interesting as it ties in with what you are writing about.

http://thefolkmuse.blogspot.com/2010/03/god-created-in-mans-own-image.html

I began with attending Young Life and Baptist youth camps and events. I admit it was their dogmatic opposition to Civil Rights and other issues for which I left the church and began my long questioning of religion in my life. The link to that blog is what I have come to in my life.

Church is an important part of some peoples social life sometimes even more than that part we want to term Faith.
Blue, I see many of us can relate to you and your spiritual journey.You hit the nail on the head with" ebb and flow of spiritual life". As a Methodist preacher's kid turned Catholic 30 yrs ago I am often analyzing my involvement and noninvolvement in my faith. I have been wanting to write a piece on Christianity as I see it. Funny thing is, the driving force seems to be my total amazement with how many writer's on this site are almost anxious to proclaim their their nonbelief in God. Not only are you excellent at portraying your feelings on this, you are also as honest with yourself as you can be. I read a quote(I love quotes) a long time ago that stuck with me. "Those who seek God, have already found him." Dunno who said it. But wow! Soon, my article. I know I will not be able to express it as you did..good job and thank-you.
Thank-you for so aptly articulating what I (and I suspect many others) contend with. The ebbing and flowing, the waxing and waning...to desire and the struggle to believe. I hope you will share more of your journey... and as the Episcopalians say: "The Peace of the Lord be with you"...

Sharon
The mention of Young Life made me feel gross. I like the idea of thinking Christians and it is sad that leadership gets overlooked.
I've been pondering writing a piece like this myself. i'm glad I found yours. Very well done.
I find this piece to be sad. It points out perfectly the problem that is religion. Is it a social club? Is it a political tool? Is it merely the greatest scam ever perpetrated?

One line, in particular, from your essay struck me:

“some instinctual part of me continued to insist that there was something else beyond what we could see and touch.”

The overriding paradox about religious defenders is that they will insist there are things we cannot know, yet religion professes to know the very things the religious defenders say we cannot know. Monotheistic religions are the worst offenders in this.

Rated for overwhelming honesty.
maryelen - Thank you. There are a lot of daily distractions; some days I don't think about much beyond getting to work, getting home and getting homework done before bed...I am not one of those disciplined people with a "meditation time" set aside. Wish I were.

Marty's husband - Thanks for your comment. Getting beyond the "Me" part is so hard.

Sherri - Thanks for the very insightful comment. I love "doubt is the other side of faith". That's very well said.

Ann - Thanks. Sometime we'll have to have a theological discussion. I'd love to hear what you think about some of these things. I don't know why I wrote this - I know talking about faith is always tricky; I just started thinking about this after having read the atheism post the other day. So far no one has yelled at me...

Melissa - That's the other thing I have trouble with - once I venture outside of known dimensions, like Christianity, how then do I raise a child? There's no support structure for it.

Kit - thanks for reading after all. And for your comment. Glad it didn't strike you wrong.

Bernadine - Thank you so much. Peace be with you. (I always loved that part of Mass - it's such a lovely thing to wish for people.)

Missing K8 - Thanks for your comment. It would be easier if everything was neat and known, but I would settle for a flash of brightness too. But I know our presence in a building called Church can't be the important thing. It's how we are with each other, that just gives us a place and framework to love each other, I guess.

Jerry - Thanks for your comment. I guess that being conscious of our shortcomings is what differentiates us from all the other species. (I assume that they don't have that, though I guess we can't know for sure!)

Folkmuse - thanks for the link to your blog. I have to admit I'd probably still be going to that same church if not for the huge socio-political belief differences. Sounds like the same type of thing started you looking elsewhere too. Reading about your experience will be interesting.

Cindy - Oh, I love that quote! Thank you. I'd love to read your take on this subject.

Sharon - Thanks for your comment. Peace be with you too.

Hope - The whole Young Life thing was really just sort of a multi-church youth group, from what I recall of the 2 -3 times I went. I think we ate pizza, sang some, maybe played volleyball? It's all hazy...But it was not for me, even then.

trilogy - It's such a huge topic - I'd love to see what you have to say on the subject. Thanks for your comment.

Ricke -"religious defenders is that they will insist there are things we cannot know, yet religion professes to know the very things the religious defenders say we cannot know " - this is often SO true. I think that's the difference between religion and faith, maybe? It's like I've never understood people who try to interpret Revelations and figure it out like it's a code or something; I can't imagine there's any way we're supposed to know the steps of our own demise, if such a thing is eventually coming to pass. (Which, with the way we treat our planet, it might be!) Thanks so much for your comment.
Blue,

"...that's the difference between religion and faith, maybe?".

I'm comfortable with that.
;~)
You expressed all these thoughts very well. I can relate. I think Jesus' teachings are a fine guide to life, as are Buddha's and a few others. Sometimes my daughter & I go to church, mostly because of sunday school & also because sometimes the sermons & music are inspiring, but then I feel like I'm getting in a rut, not feeling it any more & so we stop. I've tried to make prayer & mediation a big part of my daughter's life, but then sometimes I get lazy & forget about it. I believe strongly in a loving creator spirit(s) and the rest is just finding/creating a path, a practice that will bring out my & my daughter's most loving selves. (see? I sound corny writing about this stuff. You however, did not.) Nice post.
"The less I believe - the better I feel."

Great!
I have wrestled with some of the thoughts you expressed. I was raised a Roman Catholic and was repeatedly repulsed by them for more reasons than I care to go into. I would stop going to church and, when my need for spiritual ritual became acute, I would go back to the Roman Catholic church, such is the power of indoctrination in childhood. I was 37 years old when it finally dawned on me that I did not have two choices, but many. I now attend an Episcopal church, having recently attended an Evangelical Lutheran church for a few years. When asked, I too identify myself as a Christian. My faith waxes and wanes. I remember about 20 years ago an organization that I believe called itself the Church Calendar Group had a page in its calendar with a stock picture of the bust of Jesus. Beneath the picture it said, "He came to take away your sins, not your mind."
Great post, Blue. I too am a follower of Christ. Being a "Christian" is a day to day decision and commitment. Many man-made religions tend to make God seem as petty and weak as we are. Who can know the mind of God who created heaven and earth and all that is within and without? "Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell me, if you understand." Job38:4.

The importance of faith is stressed throughout the old and the new testaments. I like what William Blake in Auguries of Innocence had to say right off the top:

"To see a world in a grain of sand,
And a heaven in a wild flower.
Hold infinity in the palm of your hand,
And eternity in an hour."

I think Mr. Blake had a good grasp of the barest concept of God. And how deep even that is, is mind wobbling. Did Christ, who was the earthly embodiment of God, rise from the dead? Yes, He did. And the belief in the power of God to do this is the purest embodiment of faith. God bless you in your spiritual walk.
Thank you, Blue, for being able to articulate what I have been feeling. I'm reading this on a Sunday morning, listening to jazz on the local NPR station instead of getting ready for church, as I would have been a short time ago. I've had a varied religious/non-religious background, and am currently searching, bouncing - oddly enough - between Episcopal and Quaker (they share a commitment to social justice, but couldn't be farther apart in terms of ritual).

I've been feeling very alone at present, wondering if I was really a Christian but feeling more of an agnostic, and I'm not feeling so alone right now.

I have always felt that God doesn't intend us to turn our brains off at the church door.... "thinking Christians", indeed, are what we need more of.
I'm a third-generation atheist. Somewhat to my surprise, the closer I get to the grave, the less interest I have in thse questions. But I enjoyed reading this.

http://open.salon.com/blog/xylocopa/2009/05/06/remembering_mom
They always say that you have a Jesus-sized gap in your life... that can only be filled with you-know-who.

I consider myself a Christian, though not a "good" one. I do the wrong thing. I tell "white" lies. But I think I am a person who believes in Jesus and God, and who prays to Jesus and God, and who trusts in Jesus and God. I honestly don't know what I'd do without them. I was raised religious, went off the rails, went to bible school, went off the rails again... and now have a content and happy life. I get a lot out of church. I feel blessed sitting in the service. The music (worship service) speaks to me and I find myself with tears running down my cheeks. I think yes, these things can ebb and flow... but remember that there is something, someone there.
Standing on God's Word and allowing my church to be my expression of my faith has been the answer for me. My heart understanding of Jesus, forgiveness, and grace is what makes all the difference.
Religion is nothing more than the worship of Death. In the face of Death's finality we construct a Big Invisible Bi-Polar Daddy Who Lives in The Sky -- and will give us a cookie after we kick the bucket.

It's nonsense. And untold crime and suffering has resulted from this nonsense, most obvious in the mass murders conducted by (fill in the religion of your choice) and the pedophile cult known as The Roman Catholic Church.

Jesus Christ (an itinerate rabbi who may or may not have actually existed) is reported to have said a number of perfectly acceptable and intelligent things that the overwhelming majority of people claiming to be his "followers" have rigorously ignored.
Ricke - :)

Caroline - Thanks. And I don't think you sound corny at all.

Will - I think that's almost to close to "I'm going to close my eyes and not think about the elephant in my living room". For me, it's not how much I believe or not but how I feel about the state of my trying-to-figure-it-out activities...Thanks for your comment.

Opa - I sympathize with a "need for ritual". Sometimes I just need that. Thanks for your comment.

Christine - Thanks for the great quote from Blake. Very apropos.

Noble - Thanks so much for your comment. It seems like there are lots of us in the same boat. I hope you find what you seek too.

Patrick - Thanks so much. That means a lot coming from you. I look forward to checking out your post.

K - Thanks for your comment. I also find that music can have a big effect on my; on days when I am completely not buying what's being said in the sermon, the sound of people sincerely worshiping can still send a chill up my spine. (And no, not in fear!:))

LW - Thanks for your comment. I hope to someday find the peace it sounds like you have grasped.

David - You have such faith in your certainty that it's nonsense - you have chosen to believe in that: it is the "religion" that fulfills you. You're sure right: Christ said any number of acceptable things that we totally blow off most of the time - the sermon on the Mount being the most glaring to me in our cultural/political climate right now. It's funny how many of those that most vocally proclaim their allegiance to him are the ones who have a "let them starve, they brought it upon themselves" attitude. Thanks for your comment.
Faith has ebbed for me and I observe that it's ebbed for nearly everyone. If people believed, then why would they fight "passing" into paradise? If people believed, there would be no hospitals. If people believed, they would try and create Heaven on Earth, accumulating things in a facsimile of paradise and in direct opposition to the Bible's warnings about wealth.
Ola Blue

For the last couple of days the thoughts on this topic has been milling through my brain, most likely because of the "leap of faith" that I took in my professional/personal life, and just last night I was in bed watching the "Zeitgeist - The Move" documentary again.

Like you I was raised in a house where Christianity was the religion of the house, but it was not strictly enforced on you. I went through the motions of what is right, what is wrong, where does dinosaurs fit in, why didn't they get on the Ark and jackity smackity, later I attended Sunday School classes and I was welcomed into the local church group ... but somehow it felt empty. Did some church hopping, everything from the somber NG Church here in SA to the more happy clappy versions, and nowhere did I find answers.

It took years to understand, and I followed the path on my own, and after reading through the Bible for the 5th time I finally put it down, only to browse through it every now and again to look for something someone said or did.

I finally realized that there is a difference between faith and religion, that God has a "good" side, and a "bad" side, that he is a God of love, but he is also a jealous God, which can hate. He is a God that can forgive you sins moments before death if you but accept him into your life, but he is also a God that would condemn the Kalahari Bushmen who has the moral high ground on any of us city dwellers at any time to the inferno.

From there on I just started living, and I used the example the Bible provided in Jesus as an example. Sure, I still screw up, but I try and walk the path of this character in the Bible, be he fictional or factual, this is the path of I man I could follow.

So, maybe I go to church this Sunday ... maybe I wont, most likely I'll be enjoying a breakfast at the mall reading my paper :)

In any case, I loved your post.
A born follower of the Devil. Or best yet I never believed in religion. From the time my mom sent me to Sunday School and I saved my offering to spend for candy after Sunday School. To staring at a girls panties while in Sunday School. To leaving the Sunday School lesson card on the pew when I left the church.

I hardly listened to the teacher. I sorta figured it was all hog wash.

There is more to my religious experience. I will do a post on it some day.
Like all followers of the Big Invisible Bi-Polar Daddy Who Lives in The Sky, you declare my disbelief in same to be a religion. This makes no logical sense.

But then neither does religion.
I can assure you; you are not alone. I will go a step further and tell you why.

The problem is, we are receiving mixed messages from our church leaders. We are taught to love thy neighbor as thyself, not to judge them, lest we be judged ourselves, and to treat others as you would like to be treated. God gave man a free will to sin or not to sin.

Now the contradiction: We must take control of that woman's life and not allow her to get an abortion. We must judge her and call her a murderer. We must hate those who do not attend a church with the name of our god on it.

Give me a break from all this madness. They are not preaching religion when they twist phrases in the bible to sell their meaning.

The end of the world is not coming; the end of the aeon (age) is. We will soon (2150) enter the age of Aquarius.

Everyone should watch (the original) www.zeitgeistmovie.com

"I don't know what God is, but I know what he isn't".
I wasn't raised in organized religion and commited to Christianity at 40. I was so broken then I needed God so desperately. Oddly enough Ihad been talking or praying to God ever since I can remember, but never got a direct connection until Christ. Organized religion can be overwhelming I think because the tendency is to have a sort of herd mentality and get swept up in the teaching of the pastor. Churches don't have enough silence in them so that one can be in direct communion. That's why I go to the adoration chapel instead of Mass for that much needed alone time with my God. The God of Love is and the connections are as unique as each individual. Keep seeking . As we grow our need for the more depth continues so must keep seeking and asking for greater depth.
bigguns - that is a paradox. The biological imperative to live is stronger than any faith usually, I guess.

Thabo - Thanks for your comment. You seem to have gracefully found a way to take some wisdom where you can find it.

David - My point is only that, just as it's an act of faith to believe in any deity, it's also an act of faith to believe that there is nothing. It's not a "religion" - bad choice of words. But it's definitely something taken on faith b/c there is no empirical evidence that the universe is devoid of a creator of some sort any more than there is evidence that there is a creator of some sort.

Mark - well put. Thanks. And thanks for the movie suggestion as well.
Saw an advertisement for one of those "seeker-friendly" churches which promised, "Our services are short. So you can get the Hell out."

Had to think about that one for a moment. : )
I respect and admire the honesty of this. Nothing doctrinaire, no shooting fish in a barrel of non belief OR faith here. Just the simple presentation of the labyrinth so many of us trod.

I finally don't believe, have no faith, but appreciate the need for community and how small congregations fill that human need for grief, rites of passage, companionship, happiness.

Well done, indeed, blue. Refreshing to read it told so straightforwardly.