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JUNE 16, 2011 9:39AM

One more thought about Weinergate

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What's most interesting about the Anthony Weiner photo and sexting
 scandal is not what was said, photographed and sent. It's not who
exposed the scandal. And it’s certainly not the warped psychology of
a vain man who risked everything for a dubious secret pleasure. It’s
the way society at large has reacted.

 I'm the ex-wife of a cheating man. When I was married to my college
sweetheart in my mid-twenties, he decided to have a business trip
fling, which resulted in the creation of a young man who would now be
college age himself. In an attempt to do the right thing – and
because our marriage must have had fissures I had never even dreamed
of – my first husband left me, married his paramour and moved out of
state to parent his son.

At the time, I was torn in how I felt towards the man who was busily
wrecking my life and future. On the one hand, I still loved him and
I wanted only the best for him. On the other hand, it outraged me
that he would not be made to pay, in any way, for his reprehensible
behavior. Though what he did was arguably worse (though not as stupid
and not nearly as entertaining) as what Representative Weiner - who
supposedly never even physically met any of his women –did, my first
husband suffered absolutely no societal condemnation or practical
repercussions for his actions.

His friends and family shook their heads at his folly, assured me that
he was an idiot and went right on loving and respecting him. His
 company promoted him and moved him across country to be with his new wife and child. Though his bad behavior was directly tied to a
company business trip and his boozy after-hours activities, no one at
his office blinked an eye.

I have to wonder how something like the Weiner scandal would play out
in the real world.

Suppose you had a buff, aggressive, married co-worker who, though vain
and annoying, was inarguably bright and knowledgeable and a good
spokesperson for the company. Somehow, another co-worker (who,
not-so-secretly dislikes the brash co-worker and really wants his job)
 gets hold of this annoying guy's personal twitter pics and anonymously
publishes a particularly nasty one over company email, blasting it out
to the whole firm. This prompts a girl from Accounting with whom he’d
also had a sexting relationship to come forward with more photos of
the jerk, passing them around in the lunchroom. The information is
 soon flying everywhere – all over his colleagues’  Facebook accounts,
Twitter feeds and out into the internet world. His wife is utterly
humiliated. Meanwhile, management figures out who it was that hacked
 this fellow's account and anonymously published that first telling
photo.

What would happen? Would the company star be fired for his tawdry
extra-curricular activities? Is it possible that the hacker would be
greeted as a hero for having exposed the “real” guy behind the
brilliant presentations to the firm’s clients? Or would the golden
boy creep get a good talking to, have a rough time with his wife for a
while and resume his march to greatness while the hacker got
criminally prosecuted for his computer hacking and fired for
conducting personal business on company computers? And what of the
girl from Accounting? Would she be sought after and consulted, or
would she be summarily sent packing?

I think we all know the answers.

It’s fascinating how much power a photo of someone we never knew -and
will never personally know – has over our collective consciousness.
The level of condemnation of Weiner across the board from liberals and
conservatives as well as the level of betrayal many liberals feel is
just plain weird. Why do we care so much about the immature
once-removed sexual activities of a guy like Weiner when we don’t
blink an eye at the betrayals perpetrated by the real people in our
midst?

Perhaps judgment is just way easier at arm’s length. And really, no
one should be expected to resist when the guy sending crotch shots
over the inter-webs is named Weiner.

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The thing I was happy about was that his dutiful wife was not there at his side. She left for Africa. What is sad is that there is now a child involved in all of this.

I had a similar issue happen to me only it was cyberly. It hurts but like you said everyone seems to go along with it and it is wrong.
HUGGGGGGGGGG
Just heard on the news that Weiner is stepping down. You're right. In the real world, he may have gotten promoted. On the other hand, I can't help but think that a woman would have been reprimanded, or fired, if in the same situation as your ex-husband. R
Thought-provoking perspective. Everything is public now, when really, who cares?
well-written, as always, blue, and you raise some interesting questions. i guess because i worked in legal, i'd say that today the hypothetical guy you describe who sent pics to a fellow employee would be fired. things were different 20 yrs ago - not to mention what your ex did was 'honorable' (marrying his pregnant co-flinger), not sending pics of his penis to a dozen strangers. i'll say i find it ridiculous that such a big deal is being made of weiner's messy mess because i personally just don't care what people do in that part of their lives as long as it doesn't involve kids.

but i think your last lines get it absolutely right. it's arm's length, the guy's a stranger, not my husband or yours or a brother or a friend. it's easy for people to throw spears at him. and i bet a few of the throwers have a secret or two in their closets they'd be embarrassed to have made public.
Linda - He's a total idiot, but I actually feel badly for all three of them - it's going to be hard to be a family with this always lurking in the background. Maybe they'll figure it out.

Reflecting on History - You are so right - a female who did anything like this would be pillioried, even in the "real" world. I've just known too many cases of powerful men who have done similarly awful (though not as easily forwardable) things with no consequence at all.

sweetfeet - Thank you! And your point is right on: what is privacy in this digital age? Just keeping things among your 200 "friends"?
Candace - Maybe someone like that would be fired now in private industry. That's an improvement. I worked at Vinson Elkins in the days of their Newsweek sexpose in the late eighties (hooker and hot tubs and all kinds of shenanigans - none involving me) and the attitude of acceptance for powerful mens' bad behavior (even among the women) was just downright mind-blowing.
Well said. You raise some very good questions. There are too often double standards on this kind of behavior, with women usually paying a heavier price. As far as "real world" situations, it seems to depend on the company. Those businesses that still espouse the "good old boy" culture would probably let him get away with it, while those with more "modern" cultures might not.

I hope that Weiner's 15 minutes are almost over, because he doesn't deserve any more of our time than that.
No man gets promoted "because" he cheated. Yet, no politician can defend Weiner, because Weiner is now a "bad man." No one can touch Wiener anymore, he is a liability. In my opinion, Weiner should be admitted to a mental facility with the diagnosis of 'stupidity'. Always good to read you, Blue, great post. R
Sadly, I think the men who behave badly will always get away with it. He resigns now, but will land a book deal or TV hosting gig in no time. And I agree with Linda. I'm sick of seeing the "stand-by-your-man" wife stereotype at sex scandal media conferences. It's time women stood by themselves, whether they are married to a loving man or not. Thanks for sharing. R.
Bike - I am SO sick of him. Ooh! That could be my tiny hypocrisy -I wrote about him while being fully sick of him! I wonder how many companies out there have a "modern" culture and how many are still stuck in the stone age? That's a really interesting question. It could be a book!

Thoth - He is pretty much a political untouchable - at least for a while. The stupidity is just mind-blowing. So much going for him and he does...THAT? I think that's why it's been a story with such staying power.

Becka - My husband and I were talking about whether he'd have his own show (a la Spitzer) or whether he'd just be a talking head. I'm not sure he can land either right away - but it won't be long!
He certainly was stupid...but lots of guys are stupid when the little brain is in control.

What should he do now?

My advice would be to run for congress next election in the same district he served until his resignation. If the electorate of that district forgives him for his stupidity and sends him back to congress...I think all those hypocritical jerks should simply welcome him back; accept his seniority; and get him into some committees where he can continue working for the people.

That is what I judge him on...the issues and his stands on them. Not on where his dick leads him.
Philanderers lose all credibility with me. He let his sexual dysfunction hurt his wife and family and his constituents should be glad he's resigned.
I find that in my geezerhood my values are quite different from many other folks. When it comes to matters of male sexual morality, it seems that I am somewhat of a dinosaur.

Frank's recent comment illustrates the current thinking on male sexual morality: "That is what I judge him on...the issues and his stands on them. Not on where his dick leads him."

This view of male sexual morality goes something like this: men are not one person but two. There is "what we do with our dicks," and what we do with everything else. There is the man, and there is his dick, and the two operate under different moral codes.

In this view, it is as if all men suffer from a kind of dissociative identity disorder: "Dissociative identity disorder is a psychiatric diagnosis and describes a condition in which a person displays multiple distinct identities or personalities (known as alter egos or alters), each with its own pattern of perceiving and interacting with the environment."

So John Doe, operating in his identity as a sexual being, can do whatever he wants with impunity, as long as it's not illegal, while John Doe, operating in his non-sexual identity, is held to more traditional moral standards.

If the man breaks a promise, lies, deceives, and stabs a friend in the back, this is seen as a bad thing, and he can be properly criticized for that. But if, using his dick, he breaks a promise to his wife, lies to her, deceives her, and stabs her in the back, then that's none of our business. We might see him as dumb, but not as immoral. The whole idea that one can be sexually immoral has pretty much gone out of fashion, especially for those on the political Left.
Mish, I don't know about "especially for those on the political left". There has been a lot of talk, some of it here on OS, about how come the left is throwing Weiner under the bus while the Republicans keep their Vitters and the wide-stance guy and others... The conclusion being that the left is, and wants to be seen as, more moral...
Very thought provoking post. I have wondered if this would have received as much media play if his last name was Smith. Though when politics comes into play craziness is taken to a higher level. That being said, people acting dishonestly and cheating on their wives is deplorable. I don't believe in passing judgement, but I don't believe in condoning bad behavior either. It alerts me to a character flaw that needs correction, not praise or promotion.
I suspect the name keeps it fresh for the picking.
too bad that he could have made a real difference
perhaps he is young enough to let the dust settle
and try again, having learned this lesson, hopefully, well.
rated with love
Well done, Blue! Really smart piece of writing. ~r
This brings up a lot that I need to ponder, about double standards, media perpetuating bad pun names, character flaws and whether they (should) overlap more important political issues, etc. I really liked hearing him take his stands before Weinergate. I even posted one rant on my FB page. But you've presented this so well, that I still don't know if I don't want him to rise from the ashes. But I do regret that you went through what you did, and I wouldn't wish that on any woman.
It's interesting how so much falls along the lines of gender, though not entirely so. Many men are generally monogamous and are indignant about this behavior, and many women are not monogamous (either cheating on spouses or regularly being a mistress), and they say "meh, this is how people are". I don't think there is male or female sexual morals, I think that sexual morals are all along the spectrum of polyamory to monogamy. Whether or not one is better or more "natural" than the other, we generally are predisposed to one or the other. Men celebrate this, women get killed for it. It is the basis of religious and legal motivation and no one ever says "girls will be girls".
The best thing to do is marry someone with your same morals. Unfortunately, cheaters lie, and unfortunately, monogamous people assume everyone would be just like them if they love them enough. I am glad you got to get out of your marriage without having to drag a bunch of children through that. Thankfully, Weiner is not yet a father, and so his future child will never have to know the pain of the scandal or his parent's breakup should it come to that.
Good thinking! Thanks! As I told the Christian Science Monitor this is such a trivial issue that we should ignore it! Did they listen to me? No. The animosity is par for the adversarial right-wing course and the Democrats in their usual spineless fashion caved in and attacked the best and the brightest we had. My heart is broken. He is a brilliant advocate for those un-rich among us. I hope he runs and is re-elected! As long as he isn't adding little bastards to the population, he is fine by me.
Frank - that's not a bad idea - running again in his District. All the interviews I've seen with his constituents are very much positive about him.

Belinda - I have no sympathy for what he did, but I don't really think a politician's sexual messes are a dis-qualifier. I maintained that position re: Clinton, and really, anyone - even Republicans. It's reprehensible for sure though.

mishima - I don't think if a politician lied to a friend and got found out he'd be in this position. From either conservatives or liberals. It's the sexual component that gets people all riled up.

Myriad - I agree - he's been thrown under the bus by absolutely everyone!!

Mime - Thanks. I am conflicted about this. Personally offended and feeling like he SHOULD be under a bus but still not sure that his poor sexual behavior makes him any less an expert on health care issues....

Poetess - The name is a problem...

Joan - Thank you!

dirndl skirt - You mirror my feelings pretty closely. The whole thing is such a mess. I wish he'd just had more common sense at least.

jane - I feel where you're coming from.

Oryoki - the whole issue of male boundaries vs. female boundaries is a very interesting one in or outside of politics. If he'd been a female Rep, the story would have been even more shocked and condemning, I bet.

Penrose - Weiner was one of the few Dems that effectively played that cable sound bite game. We needed someone like that - I will miss hearing him take Republicans apart!
"That is what I judge him on...the issues and his stands on them. Not on where his dick leads him."

If I were to judge him on his stands on the issues, he'd be on Elba. His dick-induced behavior is relatively benign.
Why do we collectively throw stones when anything of a sexual nature is involved but when Wall Street, banks, and huge corporations really screw us over, we don't make a peep? I guess greed is forgivable.
Great post! R
spread the word
breaking news!! in the NYT
WEINER VICTIM OF SETUP/ENTRAPMENT/FRAUD

Fake Identities Were Used on Twitter in Effort to Get Information on Weiner
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/18/nyregion/fake-identities-were-used-on-twitter-to-get-information-on-weiner.html?_r=1
"it outraged me
that he would not be made to pay, in any way, for his reprehensible
behavior."
"my first
husband suffered absolutely no societal condemnation or practical
repercussions for his actions."
I think you have a very relevant POV here, however I question your conclusion from your own writing & think we need to keep in mind we only have at best half the story here & it sounds at times overly onesided to me. think of if you were a guy and having to alter/rearrange your entire life to deal with an unplanned pregnancy and spending a minimum of 18years supporting a kid. the woman he cheated with is involved in not having protected sex also. women dont see this as a "cost" and in fact often want to have as many babies as possible. guys, not so much. moreover, it becomes widespread knowledge of his misdeed in the company. how much longer did he work at the company anyway? you omit that detail. did he ever get promoted? you omit that detail. how long did he stay with the new woman? is he still married? you omit that detail. did you have kids? you omit that detail.
he probably lost many friends and many that remained had trouble looking him in the eye. his stature in the company was presumably diminished. so yeah, the overt, direct consequences on his job were maybe not there, but Im sure he suffered years of indirect fallout. to some degree the idea that guys can get away with lowlife behavior over the longterm is a fantasy, and partly one perpetuated by angry feminists.
I say, let god be the judge and it is not so much for us humans to be judges, jury, and executioners.
ok, nevertheless heres some fuel for your fire. think you will find this highly apropos and supporting your thesis...
fyi I found this link from robert brenners funny recent blog on "alpha male economists"
At I.M.F., Men on Prowl and Women on Guard
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/20/business/20fund.html
there's a lot of projection here. my questions would be: did he become a serial divorcee? was it this woman, and then the next, and the next, or did he stop here, and find a happiness he didn't find with you?

there are always two sides to the story, and more often than not one is very foolish to take those side. (I just saw your piece and it's date. i now feel more sorry for weiner than i did before, but the question remains: did he learn his lesson too? if we don't believe in redemption, we believe in nothing. weiner was an extremely capable politician, and ny is the less for his loss for reasons that had nothing to do with his ability.)