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AUGUST 26, 2010 11:48AM

New Solar system discovered, looks almost like home

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                           A home for others of the living kind?

With the aid of instruments at the European Southern observatory in Chile, scientists have discovered a brand new solar system, or at least one new to us. The sun-like star, which has at least 6 orbiting planets, is 127 light years away in the southern constellation of Hydrus. This is exciting news to astronomers because they have never seen a planetary system so similar to our own.The kicker-- one of the planets just might be earth size or close to it.

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Scientists have been hunting for earth-like orbs since telescopes became powerful enough to detect orbiting planetary bodies. But like our damsel Goldilocks, they have yet to find the right fit--this one is too cold, another one is too hot, and size matters too. In order for a planet to have the potential to sustain life,  it has be just the right distance from it's sun. Why is this important? If there is another planet with these favorable conditions, then perhaps there are other sentient beings knocking around...intergalactic kinfolk if you will. So the hunt goes on.

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Whenever I read about astronomy, my brain goes into a chaotic spin cycle. How can we as human beings ever get our heads around the vastness of the universe? To say the possibilities are endless is trite, but true. However, being a curious soul, I'm generally in favor of knowledge seeking. We should learn all we can about things that can effect us here on earth; approaching meteors and such. But when we're dealing with a fraction of a fraction of knowledge compared to the scope of the universe...well, it's all speculative.

For instance, when we are looking at celestial bodies at distances as far as several million light years away, we are looking at the distant past. In other words, we're watching a scene in a very old movie, but if we were to gaze on that same scene in real time, the players and set pieces might have rearranged themselves completely. Even if we had the means, we could never travel there because by the time we got there, the there we went to see would no longer be there...exactly. You see what a headache this is?

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So let’s talk earth.

Do we really want to know about the possible 'others' out there? It seems to me there must be others, but they have yet to make contact for one of three reasons:  1) they know of our existence, but can't be bothered make our acquaintance, 2) they'd like to get to know us but are unable get here,  3) they are simply as clueless as we are. However, if we ever did discover the existence of 'others', it would upset the world order in ways we can't imagine. Everyone would be walking around muttering questions to themselves and no one would get anything done.

The problem with this knowlege;  as earthlings we feel special. We're  God's human project, but what if God has other little projects here and there around the universe? He may be that daddy with kids all over 'town' and we would never know it until the nosy neighbor spills the beans. If we ever find that busybody, we would certainly bend her ear...

Who was first?

Does God love us more? 

Would we all get along if we met?

Who's the cutest?

Who's the smartest?

You see where this is going.

We're not likely to answer any of these existential questions anytime soon. So why do we spend so much time and money hunting for extraterrestrial life? If you ask me, we do it because we can. As an advanced society with easy access to food and shelter (for most), we have enough time on our collective hands to do some navel gazing on a galactic scale. We're curious, so we seek.

Sometimes I wonder if it wouldn't be better to just mind our own business and thank our lucky stars.

 

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"Who's the cutest?" Easy, me. Stephen Hawing has nothing on you.
Thanks French, but I think Mr. Hawking would object to the comparison :)
Headache indeed, ouch. I'm pretty sure we are not the smartest, not by a long shot. Great post.
Good questions! I think most Americans would think we are #1 in all categories.
Caroline-- I agree. Why would we be the smartest? We haven't been around so long really.

Frank--I suspect you're right, there's a natural tendency to assume we're #1. It may be true, but it seems doubtful.
I am sure we are not the only people here. if they had wanted to really find us I think they would have by now.
I think we are too stupid for them.. I really do.
I honestly think they have watched Fox..:)
Rated with hugs
Just in case they're out there and have learned to travel at light speed, I've been practicing purring. I don't want them to arrive and think I'm a cow or chicken, better to be a nice house pet. I hope they have lots of seafood if they do come to get us, I wouldn't mind a cushion with a heating pad either.

I don't think we should mess with other planets, we have a hard enough time protecting us from ourselves. Great post. purrrr
Fantastic Hubble? photos....I love to ponder on those mind-exploding-type concepts such as astronomy...and the possibility of another 'Earth' like place...hmmmm.
Linda--if they've tuned into FOX we are surely in trouble.

Attilla--I love it! I don't want to be a cow or chicken either. I will start practicing now, and right you are about dealing with our own issues.
Indeed Bonnie...plenty of earthly issues to tackle.
The pessimist in me wonders whether we will find intelligent life out there, but it will turn out to be hostile as well.
Interesting - I never thought about another sort of "Earth" being a cause for competition; you bring up a good point. I was more hoping that the people on this planet would have found a way to genetically alter chocolate so that, the more you eat, the more fat you burn. That would truly be a discovery worth making!
Teendoc--you have spoken the fears of many. I don't know why, but I just feel optimistic about the possible 'others'. I know they could be fiendish killers, but I just don't think so.

Alysa--if they came here and fixed chocolate so it's not fattening, we would all be fast friends.
What a great "I sure didn't know that" post. I sure hope we're not the smartest. That would be a little sad. Thanks!
This stuff fascinates me. Thank you. r.
I don't see why people are so fixated on finding 'Earth-like environments' to support exobiology. Why would we expect exobiological organisms to have needs just like ours? Why couldn't they be forms of plasma-life that exist at 1000 degrees C, or silicon-based life, or whatever? I bet if we open our eyes a little bit we'd be more likely to find life (meaning complex self-replicating structures) closer to home than we think.
readwillett--thanks and I agree, if we're the smartest that would be sad.

Jonathan--me too. When I saw this story on the BBC news late last night, my brain was too active to go to sleep. That's what astronomy always does to me.

Pontificatrix--thanks for adding some much needed depth to this discussion. Thinking about "lesser" life forms is not something that excites people, but it should. I wouldn't be surprised at all if there were other exobiological organisms yet to be discovered here on earth.
Maybe we're looking for intelligent life in the universe because we haven't found any here. (Except on Open Salon.)
Great point Cranky. I love my mother earth but we've got some real dummies running around here (except on OS of course).
It seems to me that we are so self-involved that we can't even fathom that there could be life-forms out there that are superior to humans, even if they don't meet any of our earthly criteria for intelligence. I'd sure like to know, though.

Lezlie
You just gave me a major headache. I still haven't figured out if Pluto isn't a planet, or if there are other planets bigger than Pluto that are in our solar system, wouldn't that have thrown off the Astrologers that have been making predictions on the planets we thought we had for centuries.? Oh```my head```
Lezlie--I think that ultimately I'd like to know too, but you know what they say about curiosity.

Scanner--Don't I know it. I had such a headache last night, I had to get up and write. It's a good headache though
He ain't my daddy. There's a good chance the devil is, but not that guy.

I think the very vastness of the universe is the reason we explore space. It's like living on a farm rural Oklahoma all your life, wondering what's beyond the barbed-wire fences and the hay fields. The wanderlust and the quest is the very essence in seeking what's beyond. Perhaps, someday we'll make it to “Kelifornea” and see the ocean. Just maybe! And what an awesome sight that'll be, but until that day comes, our imagination and our efforts are a big part of the enjoyment.
I enjoyed this. I can think of many a reason to explore space. Had we not, we wouldn't know just how fragile a place we live. Things die on Earth and they do the same in Space. There are ways to "care" for our home that we are learning about from watching that which isn't affected by humanity. You mentioned the past. You mentioned it wouldn't be there. (I think that is what you said?) Einstein and others have said the past is there. The universe (space/time) is moving forward (forward being relative) and expanding. I don't want to not know. I used to look at my cat and wonder why I couldn't just eat, sleep and purr. Then I looked at the moon one night and it blew me away and I wished I could show her.
You left out 4) We look yummy, but alien safari hunters are bounded by the speed of light so aren't quite here yet. That's similar to can't get here, except it possibly changes at some point.

It may be that the trick in civilizations meeting up is getting them to survive long enough without killing themselves. Maybe they'd kill each other anyway, but odds are probably higher we'll kill ourselves. We seem well on our way.

And speaking of our own planet, we have lots of alien species right here that we don't take the time to get to know. Plenty of evidence suggests high intelligence in elephants, apes, octopuses, and others. Yet we mostly just kill these species or allow them to die out without really investigating what they might say or think or how their species might be organized.
Amanda-- I didn't mean to sound as though I wasn't curious. My curiosity is what makes my head hurt when I even think about space. On the one hand, I want to know everything, but I also know that knowing would not necessarily be a good thing. I was trying (maybe not very well) to do a thought experiment about the impact of knowlege in this regard. Sometimes knowing is scary.

As far as gazing into the past, I didn't mean that the past wasn't "there" (and some of this is fuzzy for me, so I'm not claiming expertise). I just meant that by the time the light gets to us from those millions of light years away, which is what enables us to see these structures...the reality in that space, in real time would be different. So I think that would mean that only an image of the past is there. I do think it's worth while to look at the past because it is still telling us something we didn't know, but it also means that we are limited to studying things that happened a long time ago. Since it isn't possible to observe what's happening in Hydrus right now, we would always be behind. You see what I mean? Now I've confused myself :) Definitely correct me if I'm wrong Amanda. I always want to understand this stuff better.
:) :) ... and I didn't mean to sound as if I thought you weren't curious. In fact, your curiosity is what moved me to comment. I just don't think it kills cats. :)
You're getting better and better, Blue. Loved this! "If you ask me, we do it because we can." And isn't that why we do so many things? The good side of that mentality is that we end up learning so much from it. Well done!
These conversations about what's "out there" always amuse and fascinate me. It seems like an awfully big space and the thought that the only so called "intelligent life" is here on earth just fails to ring very true for me.

You've written a delightful essay! msp
Interesting post...I enjoyed it! My bags are packed...let me know if you want to share a cab. ;]
in recent years i have looked up at the moon and thought, one day it will look different. because we will have put stuff up there. this makes me very sad.

leaving things alone: not a practice we're known for.
An interesting but accurate take on how we would react to another lifeform.
BB, when I was in junior high school, I think, I read a book on relativity (no, not all mathy, just about frame of reference and observational things). I remember they discussed that in certain Native American cultures, there was no notion of “simutaneity at a distance.” That is, you could talk about something happening “at the same time” if two people were with one another, but to say “this happened at the time you were doing that” when the two people were far away from one another was not accepted as meaningful, allegedly because by the time either traveled to talk to the other, time would have passed. (Now, I suppose they made exceptions for sky events like eclipses or comets. But it was probably not their routine.) In any case, I found it a useful way to think about the issue of light traveling long distances.
Interesting post - I hadn't heard about this either. I've read and watched enough sci fi to be both excited and terrified by the prospect of other races (and to hope that the first visitor is more Time Lord than Dalek...). So as soon as spaceships are as cushy as the TARDIS, sign me up!
And speaking of astronomy headaches, the Washington Post had an article earlier this week about some scientists who theorize that there can be entire universes inside black holes and that our universe may be no exception. There's no way to get to them, though, because if you try to go into a black hole, you float for infinity (or do you....?). It was fascinating to read, but I don't claim to understand it.
Awww...I loved this. And the EP & cover.
Ms. Peepers--thanks for the note about the Post article. I hadn't read that, but I will look in my kindle archives and find it.

Mimetalker--It's good to 'see' you. Thanks for reading me.
I loved your blog. Thank you for writing about something different. I studied these things in college and I keep telling myself to stop writing about some of the issues erupting here at OS and write about things I like.
Happy Blogging,
Heather
Thanks for the update; as for your questions, I would suggest that they are very Anthropomorphic, (maybe even Feminine). Why would it matter, no matter what the "answers" were? As for the real questions, even Atheists and communists seem to share the basic structural ideas of the 3000 year old Judeo-Christian Ethic. What if "Reality" is actually not like that? From a Science and Engineering point of view, it probably isn't (See Occam's Razor).
Shawn, thank you for your enlightened point of view, and I agree with you that my take on the whole "others" question is anthropomorphic...feminine, perhaps. I was going for amusing and accessible as opposed to hard science; a style I like to refer to as "philosophy lite". I could have been more "serious" here-- my husband is a scientist who challenges me, and I am familiar with Occam's Razor-- but it was a deliberate choice to take a different approach.
At some point in our far distant past, cellular bacteria prevailed over the crystalline virus. As a result, cellular organisms evolved. In a similar situation, another "Earth" may produce crystalline life forms resembling silicon chips with eyebrows. THAT'S what I'm looking for.

Keep pondering... it will keep you out of trouble. R.
Fascinating Jeff, as always. Thanks for stopping by and classing up the joint :)
Beautiful images, I like the idea of others, maybe even like us, out there, somewhere. I also like the idea of minding our own business.
as a visitor from the andromeda galaxy, i must say i loved this post!

by the way, my own kind are pretty non-competetive...plenty of love to go around!

as for intelligence...well, it's okay, but mostly we like the life forms out there that have common sense & kindness...& like to share their music & food... :)
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