Bob Calhoun

Bob Calhoun
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Bob Calhoun is a regular contributor to Film Salon and observer of offbeat media. His 2008 punk-wrestling memoir "Beer, Blood and Cornmeal: Seven Years of Incredibly Strange Wrestling" (ECW Press) has spent one entire week on the San Francisco Chronicle's Bay Area bestseller list.

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JULY 23, 2010 3:05AM

Comic Con Holy War

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Margie Phelps of the Westboro Baptist Church protests the San Diego Comic Con.

If Fred Phelps of the Westboro Baptist Church had his way, God would be sending Biblical plagues down upon the San Diego Convention Center right about now and turning hundreds of nerds dressed in Batman costumes into pillars of salt.

It's the first full day of the San Diego Comic Con. I was in front of the Convention Center, trying to cross the street against an unending tide of convention goers carrying oversized bags stuffed with assorted plastic figurines and video games. As I made it to the crosswalk, I saw a man in a checkered shirt on the side of the road holding up a dayglo lime green sign that read, "GOD HATES KITTENS" with a picture of a cat pasted to it. I chuckled and snapped a couple of pictures of him. I'm taking a lot of pics at Comic Con this year. Next to the man with the sign expressing the Lord's hatred of baby felines was a person dressed like Bender the robot from "Futurama" holding up a sign that read, "KILL ALL HUMANS!" I took some more pictures of the beginnings of a picket line bathed in satire.

I then saw a line of cops behind Bender the robot, and beyond them were the God Hates Fags people. Fred Phelps and his congregation from the Westboro Baptist Church took some time away from protesting the funerals of fallen soldiers to spend a little time waving their hateful placards in the general direction of Comic Con and its annual mega-gathering of movie stars, geeks, nerds, Klingons, stormtroopers and multitudes of gals dressed in Princess Leia slave girl outfits.

I walked past the line of San Diego police officers. "I'm press," I said, "I want to get some pictures of these people."

The police let me through but instructed me not to go any further than a concrete barrier that separated the lawn the Westboro Baptists were standing on and the street. The police also told me not to go into the street.

Once I got to the end of the concrete barrier, I snapped a couple of pictures of a woman who turned out to be Margie Phelps, the daughter of Fred Phelps. Her bottom half was wrapped in the American flag and she was holding up four signs at once, two in each hand. This gave her the illusion of more limbs, making her look like a strange pagan goddess of intolerance and hate. One sign said, "Fags doom nations" and another one read, "America is Doomed." All of their signs have the benefit of really good four color printing. They take pride in these signs.

I asked her if she'd grant an interview and she agreed. Still mindful of the police presence, I inched as closely to her as I could, and held out my digital recorder and started asking questions. The transcript of this conversation is below for those that want to read it, but talking to Ms. Phelps was a little like arguing with a brick. I called her a fame whore, so there's some satisfaction of that but I do wish that I thought of saying that her cup is filled with the filth of many nations. That would have been a Biblical zinger there, but that wouldn't have brought a pillar of fire down from the heavens to destroy the Westboro Baptist Church.
God Needs a Starship

As I was conducting my interview with Phelps, more Comic Con attendees had gathered to form a counter protest that started to outnumber the original protest. One guy in a Starfleet uniform held up a cardboard sign that said "God hates Jedi" on one side and "God Needs a Starship" on the other. Other counter protesters held up signs that said, "Support fiction, read the Bible," and "Odin is God Read 'The Mighty Thor' #5" The comic con goers also rallied themselves for a rousing chorus of Rick Astley's "Never Gonna Give You Up" making the whole thing seem a very serious, or "a very special" episode of "Glee."

But the best counter-protester was a man dressed like Jesus Christ who was carrying a sign that said, "God Loves Every Body." Sure, he separated the words every and body, but that's still a lot closer to what the Bible says about the Almighty's preferences than anything written on the Phelps family's signs.

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Jesus here has the right idea.


Here is the interview with Margie Phelps. For those of you who got through my interview with Andrew Breitbart, this should be a walk in the park if only because it's much shorter...

BOB CALHOUN: So why are you out here at Comic Con today?

MARGIE PHELPS: well we're out here to say that if were to invest one fraction of the resources that you spend and invest in worshiping Batman, and the Ghostbusters and Buffy the Vampire Slayer and so fourth in reading the Bible and obeying God, this nation would not be (garbled).

BC: You seem to be pretty knowledgeable you threw out Buffy there.

MP: We read the news. It's not hard to track what's going on in this country. This kind of convention would draw a lot more people than, for instance, a convention about obeying God.

BC: What about the Promise Keepers though? The Promise Keepers fill arenas several times bigger than this.

MP: Promise Keepers. Promise Keepers, dot com, potato, po-tah-toe -- all worshiping false Gods.

BC: So the Promise Keepers are worshiping false gods as well...

MP: Of course they are. They are worshiping themselves, first and foremost. It's just another false religion.

BC: So who are the real Gods then?

MP: You mean who are the real servants? There's only one God and you know it and all mankind knows it. It's in your DNA. The Promise Keepers claim to worship the only true and living God, but instead they worship their works and self righteousness and that's every bit as wrong as these foolish people worshiping Batman and all.

BC: Okay, Batman I understand, but why picket the soldiers' funerals.

MP: Because the soldiers are dying for the sins of this nation and the whole world is looking over at those events. They are big, splashy, patriotic pep rallies. We've picketed over 500 of them. They're great, big, giant public events. Why not picket them?

BC: It's really tacky. These people are grieving. These families lost somebody.

MP: They're not grieving. They're angry with God and they're mugging for the cameras, and they're mugging for the cameras and they're bringing all their business outside... Let me finish. They're bringing all their business outside on Front Street and Main Street for everyone to talk about.

BC: At a cemetery? That's Main Street?

MP: Number one, we don't picket cemeteries. We picket on public sidewalks, 30 minutes before the funeral, and we leave when it starts. Have you ever been there picketing? I have. I see what goes on.

BC: But aren't you people just mugging for the cameras? You're here at Comic Con. You're at Ronnie James Dio's funeral. Aren't you just being fame whores just like the whores of Babylon you purport are in there (pointing to the San Diego Convention Center)?

MP: We're using any public forum available to get these words before the eyes and ears of doomed America. (Raising her voice) We are not claiming...

BC: I think you're just fame whores like the people in there (Note: Sylvester Stallone was in there somewhere).

MP: And I don't care. Now going back to what sprung you off onto that side trail, we don't claim that we're privately mourning for our dead son. They do.

BC: How are you supposed to know that though? How are you supposed to know whether they are mourning privately or not? What made you God? Does God speak to you?

MP: By their public actions. I don't care or know or care what they do in private. We don't speak to them in their private quarters. We speak to them when they come out on the public sidewalk. And that's what all of America is doing, bowing down to those dead bodies saying, "God Bless America" like a bunch of fools.

(NOTE: I'm sure we could have gone on like this all day, but I asked Phelps for her name and ended the interview after that one because the counter-protest was really heating up.)

Click here for more pics of the nerdy counter-protest.

 Bob Calhoun is the author of the punk-wrestling memoir "Beer, Blood and Cornmeal: Seven Years of Incredibly Strange Wrestling" (ECW Press, 2008). He is currently working on a book about conventions, tradeshows and other gatherings. You can follow his convention adventures on Twitter at twitter.com/bob_calhoun.

 

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Bravo! I really, really try to have compassion for everyone, but when it comes to the members of the Westboro Church, I've got nothing.
Well, I'm just glad you didn't end up wanting to beat your head against that concrete barrier after talking with her.

Fame whore. Yes. She's certainly mugging for the camera and bringing all her business outside, isn't she?
In a class I used to teach I reminded those in attendance that one aspect of the 1st Amendment was that it allowed us to be as stupid as possible outloud.
Oh.My.God. That Margie Phelps interview is so strange it rings extremely true. I'm also hung up on the sign "God Hates Carpe Chaos"--I think I like "carpe chaos," though I don't give a darn about God's opinion. Take her home, Scotty. Rated
This kind of thing makes me feel split. On one hand, it's hard not to look at them, like a freak show. On the other hand, attention paid to these people is precious life energy wasted. If everyone across the board ignored them, put away the cameras and microphones, they would disappear. Like weeds, our attention is what waters them.
Yup, Margie was wrapped in the flag spewing bs in my neighborhood too last year. She and her ilk are seriously ill._r
This is so disturbing. They use God's name for their own publicity and to spread hatred. Sickening.
Hey! My son and his wife are there for his 30th birthday. Not in costume, though. (They better not be in any costumes.)

These are the ideal people to counter the idiots with mockery and ridicule. I'd love to see coverage of the counter demonstrations.
I am so glad they're at the Comicon instead of someone's funeral. Their seething hate has been met by a funny costumned spectacle. I wish I could be there!
I do not want to ever have the opportunity to meet any of the members of this "church". I might not be able to control myself (at least control my mouth). I am a liberal with very strict ideas about some things and that flag as a skirt on this hate spewing woman, offends me mightily.
I was torn about giving them virtual ink as well, but really thought the whole scene with the counter protest needed to be reported. The Westboro Baptists are playing to the sat trucks but the Comic Con counter protest was a spontaneous happening. The conventioneers were finding scrap pieces of cardboard and making signs with sharpies right there on the spot. Also, seeing Jesus, a Starfleet officer and Bender the Robot all manning a picket line was awesome.
@tomreedtoon, no offense taken. I think that my years in rasslin' biz give me insight into these happenings. In Incredibly Strange Wrestling, I used to wear a canvas and burlap tunic and carry a cross into the ring before fighting a guy in a lion suit. The lion was managed by Flamius Caesar.
Bob, great reporting on this fascinating story! Maybe Margie Phelps will be protesting outside the MoCCA Cartoon Festival in Manhattan next spring--she was a no show this year for whatever reason!
I hope you have a great time at ComicCon, Bob! One day, I intend to be in attendance. Maybe next year....

re: Westboro Bigots, oh, I have nothing to add. They're immoral, cloaked in morality. The true face of evil, in my opinion.
Good reporting. I wonder if the Phelps were at the big Gay Parade in Hillcrest part of San Diego? There were some protestors there last year with six police on horseback protecting them. Yikes.
Bob, I loved this. I quite agree with Nerd Cred here...no better place than a Comic Con convention for these folks to picket. God needs a starship indeed.
She is crazy. Everyone knows God Hates Figs.
Bob, I appreciate what you are doing here, but what the Phelps want is publicity. I urge you to remove Margie's photo and replace it with the other protesters, or at least put the other photos on top. Margie and family picket funerals and other large events for one reason--publicity. Topeka, KS, is an example of tolerance and ignoring these bigots for more than 30 years. I'm from KS and have watched Fred and family for that long. They'd stand on street corners everyday when I went to work. We all need to ignore them and not give them the publicity they crave. They are disgusting bigots who only know hate. Fred is in his last days but Margie will carry on the family lunacy until we quit showing her face.
It's true, without the publicity they would die. It's like the story of three plants. One you hate, one you love, one you ignore. The first two grow equally, the third one dies. It's what you give your time and energy to that thrives, even if you mean to cause the opposite effect.
I'm on board with "America is doomed".
Thanks for this. There's no argument that works quite so well at exposing the lunacy as letting a sick person like this talk for herself. Well done.
"banging head against wall"
"Also, seeing Jesus, a Starfleet officer and Bender the Robot all manning a picket line was awesome."

Ha, no doubt!
I hope Batman strikes her dead.
Those people are scumbags. You protest soliders funerals, in the streets or elsewhere, and you are offically the lowest form of life. Religious radicals just as dangerous and disgusting as the Taliban. Screw them and their fale Gods.
I've heard that there may be homosexuals in Antarctica. That would be an ideal next venue for the Westboro bunch.
Someone should tell that “patriot” that it’s a gross violation of the flag code to wear the flag as a skirt.

Love the counter-protest, the best way to deal with them is to mock the crap out of them.
@Sheba, I understand your point, especially in light of the Breitbart shenanigans from earlier this week (I believe that Breitbart is only as powerful as we make him). I'm not going to alter the piece however, but will try and post more pics of the counter protesters later on. Thanks for commenting.
What a contrast- some of the highest IQs in the world in an impromptu face-off with hominids ... ad hoc is often the most insightful form of entertainment.

Very analogous to the difference between, say, a sputtering stuttering Tea Bagger braying at a Town Hall v. The on-key acapella stylings of MoveOn's musical disruptions.

With no irony whatsoever, the "Bible" i.e. "The Biblios" i.e. "The Little Books" in English was, without question, the first illustrated cartoon show ever, and in fact the scrolls, in dark crowded rooms at night, shown in front of the illuminating candelabras, were the first animated features in our short and storied history.

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I've read up a bit on these folks.

My take: this is her only way out of the compound. Her "father" keeps them in this profound isolation and "protesting" is their only way out (and a chance, really, for her isolated children to travel).

I think it's a call for help. Applying the rule of opposites here, I think this is her self-hate and hate of the religion of her father that has kept her quite literally trapped in the compound for all these years. It's like she's begging for someone to notice and prove her wrong. I think love could do a lot here. If everyone hates on them, easy to see how they'd attract that response, it kind of justifies the father's notions. She literally has her kids on street corners all over the country begging for attention. Begging.

If you look a the functional aspects of what they do, they escape the compound to go to cool places and then they literally stand and wave signs begging for someone to tell them they are wrong. And how much more extreme could they be? They really, really, really want attention (help?).

I wonder what else would allow them to jailbreak from the compound (all of them at once) except to be "sharing" the father's message far and wide? I'm not saying I think it's a good route but only that being trapped (emotionally or otherwise) in that compound for all those years might leave limited options (mentally and emotionally as well as physically) for escape for the inmates.

Hopefully, love will show them the way out...
This read like one of those stories from The Onion. I had to keep reminding myself that this was real and not a hysterical joke. I don't know if I should thank or chide you for this commentary. A few things you should know about me. I go to a Baptist church in Georgia (boo hiss), but apparently my God loves everyone regardless sexual orientation or alliance with the Jedi. Though I did hear a rumor that God loves Mr. Spock best of all. You know who are God's real servants...? The Vulcans.

I don't represent Christians everywhere or anywhere. I only represent myself. I'm flawed, because I don't like people who don't read and I don't like people who are mean. I'm sad that this group continues to get an inappropriate amount of press. Leave the Jedi alone! (So if God hates the Jedi, does s/he really really hate Darth Varder? I'm going to find my concordance...)
To those who believe we need to ignore these people, I say, "No!" We need to answer them vehemently, although not violently (as much as we would like to), because there are enough people out there who would be willing, even need, to hear the reasonable, humane, (dare I say it?) Liberal side to this ultra right-wing propaganda packaged as lunacy. People as right-wing as this want to run this country, and before you snicker at that, just consider some of the crazies running for the Senate and Congress this November. Don't assume that enough people will figure this out for themselves. We need to let them hear our point of view--constantly.
Somebody call the fundymental institute.
Great job on covering their so-called cause! I imagine it took a little patience to sit through Margie's hate-wacked rhetoric. Enjoyed your perspective!
Where are the pie-throwers when you need them?
great post. i can't believe these people and their "God hates..." signs. they really are the fame whores in this world. a bunch of hypocrites.
Bob - excellent job. I was living in Santa Fe NM a few years ago when this "church" came to protest. You should understand that Santa Fe is one of the most tolerant places existing in this country, with an extremely high Christian contingent. Even THEY were appalled at this church's activities.

@LoveHealsEverything:
I don't know how accurate you description is of the Phelps's compound, never having been there in person. Assuming your description is accurate, the compound would be condemned as "an evil brain-washing cult" were it not for the purported Christian basis.
I get frustrated when people say they are distorting god's word. The bible is pretty clear and it's on their side.

Thank goodness the bible is just non-sense and basing any public policy on it is rediculious.
LaRae, I'm sorry, the Bible I've read is not on the side of hatred.
Evidently, Ms. Phelps and the Westboro crowd don't know the Bible contains a New Testament. Gosh, I don't think the English language contains a word to adequately describe their intolerance. They milk the cow of religion and get only a rancid skim for their efforts.
I like your questions. You were direct and challenging and making connections based on her answers. Most journalists don't do that.
This church that worships Batman? Have an address?

You can't lay a hand on these people because part of their game is suing anyone who touches them. It funds their far flung activities, I hear.
@Nicki Salcedo, Because I've known a lot of people who walk the walk and talk the talk of the Gospels, I did my best to refrain from describing these people as Christians or even Baptists, instead referring to them by the name of their organization, the Westboro Baptists.

In the end, I believe that the guy dressed as Jesus had the right message, whether it was tongue in cheek or not.

Thanks everyone for reading and commenting.
Bob, I've decided to prepare my Mary Magdalen costume for PAX, and possibly a sign or two, on saying God Hates Shrimp of course, the good old stand-by and I really need another idea for a sign to attack WBC. I loved Jesus' sign.. hahahahaha...
As usual Bob, you cracked me up. Well done.
Oh and yes, they are fame whores... perfect.
those sneakers don't go with her outfit
I admire your fortitude in attempting to have a serious interview with narcissistic loon.

But enough about Andrew Breitbart.

The Phelps clan are bad a vaudeville act that keeps pretending they aren't getting The Hook.

You did your very best, but nothing beats thes wackos better than ridicule. And the Comic Con gang was more than up to the task.
Fake Jesus, 1. Phelps family, 0 (for not making any sense). GO FAKE JESUS! And the Phelps family are attention whores.
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What in the holy hell? These twits are PROTESTING COMIC-CON! These morons are on some kind of STUPID pill or something, the asshats.

-R-
LoveHealsEverything - very nice idea , that poor Margie is just getting out from under daddy for a bit, and that love would fix her up... But look at Mel Gibson, whose religious nuttery was instilled in him by his daddy, and he (Mel) gets out on his own and gets lotsa love, or celebrity worship at least, and oodles of money, but is still full of hate...
Lairderg - sadly I agree with you.
Sadly, most of the Westboro pack are children. Phelps had 13 kids, (including Margie) they had multiple kids, and presto, there's your "church."

So what's a good response to a pack of kids forced to hold hateful signs since they were old enough to walk? Fred Phelps controls their world.
The woman is already a walking comic book - not to mention a full-blown caricature - herself!