Bob Eckstein

Bob Eckstein
Location
New York City, New York,
Birthday
February 27
Title
Snowman Expert
Company
Publisher of Today's Snowman.com
Bio
Ex-cartoonist/illustrator/writer. Author of The History of the Snowman; From the Ice Age to the Flea Market Twitter; snowmanexpert

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OCTOBER 8, 2009 9:39AM

The Best Advice on Writing a First Novel: DANCE!

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Bob Eckstein copyright © 2009

No doubt, even Jesus would have had a tough time publishing in this climate. Anyhoo, this is follow-up to my last post, Good For You! Excuse Me If I'm Not Happy For Dan Brown about being Catholic & the Da Vinci Code (and spoiler alert; this is very much a puff piece.) but it's kind of interesting.

I received two responses from insiders who wanted to correct me or at least present the other side of the story. They gave me permission to publish their comments as long as it was anonymous and I didn't name the publisher they represent–both are high-up executives and from one of the "big six." First off, in regards to Dan Brown;

"As I'm at my office on a Sunday afternoon, I am very, very thankful for Dan Brown. Our industry needs some big hits right now and if several million people want to spend money on that: awesome. A recession is no time for elitism and I know it sounds like I'm selling out, but our industry has been in the dumps for 14 months straight and thanks to Dan Brown, September may be the first positive month. When bookstores make money they take more risks on other publishers' books. It's really a win-win for the industry and a personal win-win-win for me since I don't have to read that crap."

The other person wanted to defend Oprah, who I made fun of in the Low Points in Literature cartoon. In brief; "Oprah has been a blessing to publishing and all writers should be grateful for her impact."

I see both points and it makes sense (I apolognized & thanked both of them for their insight). It proves there is an audience here beyond my Mom's refridgerator.

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  Bob Eckstein copyright © 2009

But no official word yet from the Herman Melville estate regarding my Moby Dick cartoon with robots on jet skis. 

And while I'm at it, I'd like to comment myself to a couple of posts on OS. While I agree with some of the points I read recently here about getting published, I also thought there were some misleading generalizations ; 1) There have been literary agents (and recognizable ones) trolling these waters, 2) Not every former good writer who left OS left angry. A couple are quite happy as they are currently working on, lo & behold, books. A sincere congrats to them.

Finally, 3) which I think can be best said through cartoon and song & dance;

NEW subway singer OS

 

 

First Novel Dance

(sung to the tune of Safety Dance)

You can write if you want to, and leave all your fears behind
     Cause fears are excuses, everyone abuses
Like darts inside your mind

I say, we can blog what we want to, the start of your new book
     Who knows who will read it, someone may need it
a good rep could take a look

We can freelance!

I say, write a book you want to, anyone on Open Salon
     Whether you’re Floyd Eliot, or the village idiot
How do I make a cute emoticon?

Say, we can write if you want to, if you don’t nobody will
     If you can’t read, but have four months
Like Sarah Palin who is an imbecile

Reprinted twice, movie rights–somebody get me the Coast
First novel advice, dated insights–they’re dishing it from post to post

First Novel Dance, First Novel Dance, everyone take the chance,
First Novel Dance,
First Novel Dance, ignore the OS rants

We can write if we want to, we've got all your life and mine
     Brush off the stumbles, that’s the way the cookie crumbles
Everything'll work out fine

Even with no advance, we can dance, we can leave your friends behind
     Cause if your friends don't dream and if they don't dream
Well, they're are no friends of mine

First Novel Dance, First Novel Dance, just ignore the OS rants
First Novel Dance, First Novel Dance, why not take the chance?

 First Novel Dance

 


 

 

 

 

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I am dancing (in my mind) and trying to channel an agent as I'm typing!

Bob! this is a wonderful piece! and the graphic! Where would Homo Sapians be if that ear;y ape had not thrown that fateful snowball?
Juicy insider comments, very refrigerator-worthy.
OMG, Bob. Men Without Hats, an old Montreal band. I will be singing the new version for many years to come. Maybe I'll put it in my book!
Oh, why not? Let's all write books!
Oh, come on. We all know it's impossible (for everyone else) to get a book deal. (Everyone else) will never get an agent. Nobody (except for me) will ever be discovered on OS, and they (but not me) shouldn't waste their time trying.

Great post. Thanks!
I love me some fist poundin' angry eyes Jesus.

Your animated History of the Snowman banner is awesome!
Sometimes things come from OS in unexpected ways...just be open and smart about the opportunities...dance is an apt analogy, and finding a dance "partner" in the process...priceless!
Melville would approve; his ghost told me so. ~R~
Good post, Bob, and love the "we can blog" video!
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It won't help. I like the title though. Rings a bell.
Yes! Here's to finding an agent and becoming a former OS writer. Wait. That's not very nice. Speaking of not nice, thanks for putting Safety Dance in my head.
Great post, Bob. I'm now working on my fifth novel right now. I gave up on the first four.
Is a cartoonist who writes also one who dances?
Ahhh, hope springs eternal.
Thanks. And Rated.
:-D






Yup, making emoticons is that easy.



Sorry. You KNOW I had to.

It may be a puff piece, but it had some sharp bits in it. Nicely done, Mr. Eckstein.

Sincerely,

Bob Eckstein's Mother ;-D
Bravo Bob! You had better you better dance your assests off here. That's all I have been doing since I joined. (How did you find that photo of Jesus with his editor? You really do have connections.) :)

This is great advice to anyone who is writing a first novel. I will heed it myself. I am in the same boat with you. That will be our little secret. Please don't tell anyone here. ;) I think they are all still confused about my last few entries. :)

Hope
Whoops! My computer is out of control. :) There are a few extra words in that sentence. I really do need an editor! :)

Hope
Great fun and I loved the cartoons.
If I am in possession of The Coolest Book Ever Written, can I consider myself cool by association?

Also, is the F Train OS's version of the Week End Red Eye? Cause I've heard things can get kinda skiggy-dang, skiggy-ding around here late on a Saturday night... I'm just sayin'. And I'm sure Jesus would agree
(bopping in typical suburbanite white-girl fashion) First Novel Dance! First Novel Dance!
Dear Bob:

Legal can suck it. Let's pogo. Rated.
Bob,
Thank you for that. I just laughed out loud for the first time in days. You might've just saved my life, and if not my life then surely my sense of humor.

Only now I'll be hearing the First Novel Dance in my head for days.
Thanks for making me laugh. Writers get so serious, it's hard to unwind...
Dance like nobody's watchin' -- and in this case, hope like hell somebody is. I still say Dan Brown robbed the plot and the "facts" for the Da Vinci Code from Holy Blood Holy Grail.

Speaking of which, I love that first cartoon -- tho some would call it The Greatest Story Oversold. Maybe JC and Dan Brown can hook up. I can see the Franchise now: The Gospel According to Dan Brown, Dan Brown's Gospel Part II, Dan Brown -- The Gospel Resurrected
Great, great, funny. I used to tell myself something similar when I was teaching at a large state university and couldn't find parking on football game nights -- hey, the university can use the money. I guess.
Thanks for the feedback. I laughed out loud reading them this morning–I was away all yesterday from teh computer (and I was actually sent this other post first called no offense, but Bob seriously so I really appreciate not getting more snide remarks about this silly piece getting cover space. I will recommend a piece more interesting than mine here that piece about being more homeless.).

Men Without Hats, Montreal? Juliet, I didn't know that! They have a great other song (aside from Pop Goes the World) called Like.

yeah, isn't that a nifty banner? Trevor Crafts, here on Open Salon made that for me!

Bill, let's leave Mom out of this. By the way, she told me you left your socks at her place.

Karin, you totally out-cool me, and I'm a snowman expert.

Thanks, all.
Yup, Montreal boys all. Back in my groupie days Ivan was producing every serious indie band in the city. He produced this video, which I posted in honor of Obama's election.
Yes, I've heard these rumors about literary agents trolling and of course, they probably are just that - rumors. But I say who cares?

I mean, bottom line: my reading audience has grown considerably since I started writing for OS. I've made several connections here that have lead to paid work. I have created a bigger readership - a MUCH bigger readership.

I don't know - I think we're always off-course when we think there's some creative "knight in shining armor" who is going to sweep us off our feet and make money for our brilliance. It's so Lana Turner/soda shop, you know?

We have a lot of power here at OS - more than we think. I say we figure out what that is and maximize it. The opportunities will arise, perhaps not in the way you guessed.

Also, I think you can post on OS and write a book at the same time. We all act like we have to hole ourselves up in some cave in order to write a book.

(Re: people's comments re: your cartoons, don't get it. So what if Oprah did something for the publishing world. Is she beyond comedic reproach or something? Too Queenly to be made fun of? She could have helped and hindered. So we can make fun of the ways in which she hindered. Everyone is too precious and "correct." Annoying. Comedy isn't about being correct. Insulting Oprah is like poking fun of the pope suddenly. She's a TALK SHOW HOST, people. Not a God-in-Waiting.)

Sorry, Bob. I'm a little ranty today. Too much coffee.
Beth, thanks for commenting (your work is funny and I follow it). I was going to say this in private but it should be shared. No, it's not rumors as I know of two people who left here after getting book deals. I been contacted twice by big-name agents to turn a post into a book (my love resume was one, forget the other). I didn't want to share that and come across as bragging but I've gotten a couple of emails saying I'm setting up false hopes with this post. Simply not true. Goes to show how stupid it is to post mean-spirited crap complaining about certain people being here–they're letting opportunities slip through their hands.

I totally agree with your comments on posting while writing and the cartoons and everyone being open game.
When agents or a publishers comb blog posts in search of book material, it's not the same as a writer trying to get a book deal. Publishers may be looking at blogs, but they're still not reading manuscripts that come over the transom. I never compared the two in my post.
I see your point, John. Although "seeking" a book project could start with creating work on a blog that excels and attracts them.
Thanks for your response, Bob. To reiterate a bit more (and at the risk of sounding lofty), it's our job to do the best we can with this platform. Refine, define, etc. If we keep our focus on that, opportunities will arise. You're a wonderful case in point.

Here's a seemingly unrelated story: Once upon a time, when I was a performance artist and did all this experimental theater, I wrote a piece called "The Dog." I was getting ready for my first performance one evening. I was on the bill with a few other excellent artists, very excited, very proud.

I called my mother and expressed to her my excitement. She said, "Well, I hope this turns into something for you eventually." I could have smacked her. Here I was, making something happen - I created my own show. The house was sold-out. I would receive good reviews and great feedback. But more than anything, I was an artist emerging. This IS that something, I wanted to tell my mom. THIS is it.

But we're always thinking - especially for the creative arts - that there's some magical pot of gold and if you don't have that, you're just...in waiting.

Mom, I wrote a piece on Open Salon and a few thousand people read it. A few hundred of them, it really affected. We felt connected. I felt blessed and proud. The human experience felt better, easier.

That's me, making it. Now, here. As we "speak." I'm not waiting.

Would I like more money for my efforts? Fuck yeah. Loads more! But it's not my whole raison d'etre anymore. I used to perform for attention, now I create because it makes me feel more whole and full and special. The lack of money has forced me to figure out other reasons to create. I'm ready to move on from that lesson, trust me. But that core drive will maintain itself.

Does that make sense? Does this pertain to your blog entry at all anymore?

Gosh, I still sound ranty. No, worse - self-righteous and preachy. Well, it is Sunday.
Loved the cartoons. (Rated). I appreciate your open-mindedness Bob - although I wonder why people take humor as seriousness so much. I love how you poke at people - thank God we can laugh. Rule 62 I say. Thanks for always doing what you do best!
Thanks. Now I have the BeeGees in my head going with,"You Should Be Dancing Now". I'm never gonna dance again... Oh, that's another song. Could I just go back to writing, please. I don't plan on writing the Great American novel. Blogging on OS keeps me from worrying about the missing MSS.
Oh entertaining! Rated*
BTW, love your Halloween pic! :0) (Wait a second, it was your doing, right?)
Thanks, Reiko.

Please make sure to check in on Thursday when I run Part 4 of this series, a special Halloween edition.

Meanwhile, let me go look into the profile face vandalism!@
"It takes a lot of energy and a lot of neurosis to write a novel. If you were really sensible, you'd do something else." Lawrence Durrell, British Novelist

I do find that dancing helps me forget how foolish I feel writing my first novel. I'm entirely prepared to shove it in the back of my closet once it's been sufficiently rejected. But will that stop me, no!
All ya can do...is keep doin.