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born in Illinois. 5 year Navy veteran. Married for 25 years (not counting the first five when we just cohabited. 4 kids, 6 grandkids, 3 brothers 2 living, 2 sisters 1 living, a mother living, a father not living. 1 dog a labradoodle, and a current cat population of 9 (I'm working on that number) I've done a lot of jobs in my life, from shill at a carnival burlesque show to making medium caliber ammunition. I built inkjet printers, embedded computer boards, restored and repaired both cars, motorcycles and electronics. I read, write, and do arithmetic (albeit poorly) My wife claims that I have more useless knowledge than anyone on earth and resultingly no one will play trivial pursuit with me anymore. I do play pinohcle but due to my inability to cheat I don't win very often. Recently disabled I turned to Open Salon to re-engage my writing bug. Update, cat population now at 3. homes found for kittens. Update two add one cocker spaniel to the list and maybe just shoot me.

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JANUARY 16, 2012 9:23AM

War is not Healthy for Children and Other Living Things

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So the latest outrage in Afghanistan is the photo/video of some Marines urinating on the dead bodies of Taliban fighters.  It is outrageous in fact so I suppose on its surface, these acts are fit to be condemned.  I won't argue that in any way, nor will I attempt to paint one side as better or worse than the other.  How can a person who has never been toe to toe with another person who's goal is to kill you and everyone who believes the things you do ever understand what happens to another's psyche when the battle ends and you are still alive?

This doesn't justfy those acts, it is meant only to try and give insight to people who for whatever reason cannot or will not accept that any war is no more than commiting atrocties until the enemy can't stand any more of them.  I am not shocked that there would exist photos of those acts and anyone who believes that the Taliban doesn't have its share of atrocity photos are just fooling themselves.

What I'm getting to here is that atrocity is war at its most basic level and if you want war for any reason then those atrocities are your's as well.  No war is endorsed by a God.  No war is fought because both sides choose it, all wars are attempts to gain power over the masses.  They are grabs for money, territory, or control.  All by the few who will gain the most by spilling the blood of those with the least.

Soldiers have nothing to gain personally.  Working men and women have nothing to gain personally either, no the gain falls squarely in the pockets of those with most of the power already.  The people who fight them suffer for the rest of their lives, the parents who lose their children, the children who lose their fathers and mothers, the friends who lose those friends forever.

We tend to justify war by saying that the enemy is wrong on this level.  We grasp the the thin excuses we are given to account for the loss of lives.  We need those thin straws to make us able to function without becoming outraged at those losses.   In short without the means to fool ourselves into believing tht the deaths are somehow justified or nessecary then the whole exercise has no meaning and the lives lost were no more than the waste of good human beings.

 I've met few who did not think that this concept was worthwhile, have those who want war fight them, let the rest of us grow up, raise our children, eat, drink, and just generally live the life we want to.  Let the rich and powerful play the life and death game with each other instead of us.

I am guilty too.  Anyone who is a part of the nation that trains and deploys these men to risk life and limb bears this same guilt.  The acts of children who face the worst of this world can't be condemned for reacting in a way that has been implied as the proper emotion under those circumstances.  The real outrage is war. 

 

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Worst of all is that those who die are the lucky ones.

Our children come back bent and twisted by that experience beyond anything we imagine possible. We, who were so proud of our offspring "defending their nation" in aggressive wars that our leaders start, are assholes. We can't see the damage to our kids because we don't want to. When they come home we ignore their inability to form relationships, to keep a steady job, their crying out in the throes of nightmares, their strange moodiness and their incredibly high suicide rate. (Viet Nam ate up fifty thousand of our young during the war; SIXTY THOUSAND Viet Nam vets have committed suicide!)

War - the gift that keeps on giving......

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so wise and true Bobbot. I like the Sister Carita quote
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We condemn individuals who commit murder, yet sanctify governments who send armies to do the same. Something doesn't make sense here.
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So right. We have sunk to a new low....
Guilt and remorse and sorrow are human traits.

I'll be sure none of my children ever enlists and I hope you all do the same.
Your last sentence said it all to me. Just stop the war..
HUGGGGGGGGGGGG
Bob, you have kids now who can't wait to be eighteen so they can fight in a war like their father. Almost eleven years. It won't be long before a son born before the war, will be able to fight in the same war as their father. That just boggles my mind.