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NOVEMBER 1, 2008 1:26AM

In Defense of Godless Americans

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There has been lots of coverage lately regarding Elizabeth Dole's vicious attack ad, which calls her opponent, Kay Hagan, essentially a Godless American. While I agree that the ad is despicable and in many ways, an abomination, I have yet another bone to pick over the outcry against the ad itself.

Remember when that sad, unkempt old lady at a McCain rally called Barack Obama an Arab and McCain oh-so-heroically stepped in and said "No Ma'am...he's a decent family man?" I do. And while many around me applauded McCain's attempt to defend his opponent against the hate speech at his rallies (which was quickly spiraling out of control) I remained upset at him for not calling out the true issue with the woman's hateful, ignorant comments. As Campbell Brown, and a few others pointed out: what's so wrong with being an Arab? If he were an Arab, would it matter? The answer is, and should always be no. 

Frankly, I felt exactly the same way when I saw Elizabeth Dole's latest ad. It saddens me that Kay Hagan felt the need to defend her religiosity and assure her potential constituents that she was once a Sunday school teacher and does indeed believe in God. Again, this begs the question: Would it matter if she didn't?

 Apparently, it would. 

 Let me state this outright: I don't believe in God. I understand why some people might find that disturbing, and while I appreciate concern for my eternal fate, I still have to ask: why exactly does my atheism make me ineligible for public office? Does not believing in an anthropomorphic being sitting on a cloud ten miles up make me a bad person? I don't think so. And I think if you asked those who know me, they'd agree. The real issue with Elizabeth Dole's ad, and one of the many reasons it's so slimy is that it implies that to be Godless (or atheist), is to somehow be unelectable and morally dubious. Let me tell you, Senator Dole, I have morals coming out my ears. As for you, on the other hand, I'm not so sure. 

 So the real reprehensible nature of her ad is two-fold: One, it's completely false and makes Kay Hagan out to be someone she utterly isn't. And two, its conclusions are based on a false premise: that to be an atheist is to be immoral and to be incapable of effectively serving one's community. 

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The *good* thing, though, about Dole's ads is that she has apparently lost still more ground since airing them. The segment of the electorate on which such ads would be effective is shrinking.

You might be interested in my first post on open salon, from a while back: http://open.salon.com/content.php?cid=13283 (not pimping my blog, I just thought it relevant!)
HERE, HERE! Godless Americans, rise up, be proud, and defend REASON. It is our only TRUE hope.

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I can't wait until it becomes common knowledge that knowing whether or not somebody is a theist or an atheist tells you absolutely nothing about their propensity to violence or aggressive world views.

Nobody is shocked that atheist men are just as likely to abuse women. And nobody will be shocked when/if various Christian churches make the first major collective pushes for environmentalism.

What a relief when our criterion as to how helpful somebody is being has nothing to do with what they say about their main beliefs when they are red in the face or righteous.

In terms of McCain: how can you say that somebody is a decent family man who loves America and is also a man who refuses to explain why he consistently pals around with vicious terrorists? If McCain really believes that Obama has failed to assure us that he isn't a terrorist lover than isn't McCain obligated if he loses the election to vocally fight for the public to not simply lie back and accept the presidency of a man who refuses to address his terrorist leanings. If McCain doesn't make a lot noise....

i need to sleep.
Don't be surprised, but not all believers equate stated beliefs with actual beliefs. I've no reason to doubt you have "morals coming out" your ears.

I'm a believer. If that's something you want to discuss, OK. But I "believe" that the first word in "Open Salon" is what makes the second word real.

Liddy should be (and probably is) ashamed of the ad. She must see it as her duty to "approve this ad," under the reasoning that the ends justifies the means.

Our Constitution enfranchises all...and disqualifies none.
Our Constitution disqualifies those who undermine it.
Dole isn't ashamed at all. She stands by her ad and has defended it to the Greensboro paper [audio link of her interview]:

http://www.news-record.com/multimedia?playNowId=3093

In North Carolina, being an athiest is definitely a minus. This is still the Bible belt, and if you want black votes, you don't dare mention evolution or atheism. Hagan would have to be nuts to do what you suggest and defend atheism -- at least if she wants to win. Time to pick our battles.
I am getting REAL TIRED of the God thing
There was a time when I thought the Betty Bowers spoof was a bit overstated. Now I see it as a model of restraint.

For those of you wondering what I'm talking about, follow the link .
Agreed! It is interesting to me that it's always the religious questioning the American-ness of atheists, but never ever the other way around.
Yeah! Non-believers unite. I'm reminded of the first time I saw Coulter's book "Godless Liberals." Before I knew who wrote it or what it was about, just from the title I thought for a split second, "Alright a book just for me!" Then reality set in.
I voted for Hagan anyway because I think Dole is a demon in her own right.
This just goes to show that there really isn't a separation of church and state. I live here in NC, but these Bible belt people need to get over themselves. I'd vote for an atheist before I voted for a "hardcore" Christian any day. blah