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MAY 21, 2011 3:49PM

Union Life, part 2: Religion

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Religion is a "delicate" issue because this is the way people usually refer to discussions of religion, and not because it's a good description of the way those discussions are usually conducted. 

When I was growing up, however, I don't remember anyone discussing religion.  In fact, even though I was raised a Catholic, and an Irish Catholic on top of it, I don't remember anyone, outside of church, discussing God at any length.  Strictly speaking, I have always felt that many Catholics don't believe in God.  Let me explain...

In my family, we regarded ourselves as good Catholics while I was growing up--and I'm certain that my mother and sister at least still think of the family that way.  But this idea had (and has) a different significance for various members of my family.  First, there is the difference in education, including dogmatic instruction.  My brother and sister went to Catholic elementary and middle school, and public high school.  They didn't like attending Catholic school, and they thought the dogmatic aspect of it was silly.  I went to public schools except for one year of private Catholic instruction when I was about five years old, a kind of Catholic kindergarten.

Second, there were differences in our habits.  My sister, brother, mother, and I all went to mass every Sunday while I was growing up--at least until I was in my early teens when I stopped going.  My father had no interest in going to mass, and only attended church on high holidays.  By this I mean that he went on Easter, Ash Wednesday, Christmas, and sometimes around St. Patrick's Day.  The Church's definition of "holiday" extends a lot further, and includes almost every Sunday, and a lot of weekdays, on the regular calendar, if you want to get technical about it.  My father was not technical about it.  For that matter, I don't think that most Catholic men are, but more on that later.

The point is that despite all these inconsistencies, we were "good Catholics," or so I was told up until the time I was old enough to realize what that really meant: we tried to go to mass, we observed some of the rituals and norms (we didn't eat meat on Fridays etc.), and most importantly, we belonged to a Catholic community.  I want to emphasize this last point about belonging to a community because it is at the center of what it meant to be a Catholic when I was growing up, but I'm not so sure that's still the case.  With the suburbanization of America, and the collapse of the old urban parishes and their Old World ethnic character over the past few decades, what it means to be a Catholic in America has changed considerably.  And since many of the old Catholic communities were also working class, and union, it's quite relevant to talk about this process here.

Accompanying the changes has been a drive by the Catholic hierarchy to try and keep up with the competition from the huge growth in suburban Protestant "super churches."  This in turn was spurred on not only by the revival in fundamentalist Christian sects, but by the general tendency toward suburbanization itself.  Changing life patterns change other patterns in people's lives, including religious belief and how, and where, it gets expressed.  Along with these rather rapid changes has come a loss in certain aspects of local history, and the mores, of those communities that got erased in the process, or at least altered almost beyond recognition.

This brings me to one of my main contentions about what it meant to be a Catholic when, and where, I grew up:

Catholic men don't believe in God. 

This may seem like an outrageous statement, although I suspect that it seems a lot less so to those who grew up in an all-Catholic urban enclave, or in a small, working-class community on the verge of a big city, like I did.  And it probably seems totally unbelievable to the vast majority of Americans, who are Protestants, and whose conception of what it means to be a Catholic is largely shaped by a media and political establishment that are overwhelmingly Protestant, and therefore unfamiliar with the actual experience of growing up in one of these places.  Instead the elite in America largely accept the official discourse of the Church as an accurate self-description of Catholics, something they would never do with most Protestant faiths.  "You mean, all Baptists don't believe that homosexuality is a sin that will send you straight to hell?"  No, stupid, of course not.  But if you were to ask them, "You mean all Catholics don't believe that only Catholics (who believe in the 'only one, holy, Catholic, apostolic Church') will go to heaven?"  Well, of course they do, would probably be the answer (while the reality is a lot closer to "no, not really, but many Catholics say that they do, stupid").  This isn't so much a matter of prejudice as it is of indifference to another faith.  Most people just don't think that far.   

In this atmosphere, it's hard to conceive of what it was really like to grow up in my hometown.  But take my word for it.  In a Catholic family, in an old Catholic community, the only person who absolutely had to believe in God, really, in order for the family to remain part of the community, was the mother.  In a sense, the mother in a Catholic family believed for everyone.

Not so long ago, I went to visit my mother in Florida.  She's in her eighties now.  We were sitting around with my sister and brother discussing a distant relative who had just died, and my mother said: "Well, he's with God."  There was silence, no sign from my brother or myself, although my sister nodded vaguely in assent.  And then we went on talking about something else.  One could explain this moment by pointing out that my family knows that I'm an atheist, and has for a long time, so they didn't want to offend me with an outward showing of raw faith.  Or, that my mother is simply a deeper believer than the rest of us because she's older and nearer to death.  But those would be false explanations because this has always been the case in my family, even before I "came out" as an atheist, and long before my mother's mortality became an unavoidable concern. 

The truth is that spontaneous expressions of faith are supposed to come from the mother in a Catholic household (and, to some extent, in some Protestant communities of faith, too, especially, interestingly enough, black communities).  And it's not necessary for everyone else to agree with them--so long as they are not contradicted.  Besides that, the religion of Catholicism itself is all about ritual.  Even here, there's quite a bit of wiggle room, and there always has been.  You can go to mass on Sunday, or not, but you're still a Catholic.  It isn't even the originary ceremony of baptism that makes you a Catholic.  It's important, yes, but it's not like people sit around and discuss the metaphysical mechanics of what it means to be endowed with a name under the auspices of the Church.  That's for scholars to do.  (There is a lengthy literature on the subject, by the way, but who the hell would want to read it?  Even most priests don't care, I suspect.) 

So this was why my sister was the only one of us to indicate any agreement with what my mother said.  Because she has her own family, and she plays the same role with them now.  She believes for them.  Only her agreement was muted, and silent, because it's my mother's part to play that role in our family.  And also, I suspect, because my sister believes less in all this than my mother's generation did--since the old communities have collapsed and been absorbed.

One final note:

When I went to college, my first extended experience outside my hometown, I was shocked to find that so many people (Protestants mostly) actually believed in God, and said that they did.  I was especially suprised to find out that so many men believed in God.  In my community, it was considered somewhat effeminate for a grown man to express a deep faith in God.  Again, that was somebody else's job.

 

                   

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I have a theory about why this is the case in Catholic families, about how it "evolved," but I'll save it for another time.
This isn't a post about the existence of God, either, that's another matter. It's about belief, or the un-belief that often plays a grounding role in a community of believers, or at least one of the roles in a dialectic. The argument between belief and atheism is between those who know that God exists, and those that know God does not exist. There's no dialectic there, it's a debate (if you can call it that) about the status of a thing as an existent.
I converted in the early 80's, and left in 2004, disallusioned. I did not realize that the Vatican 11 spirit was on the way out as I was coming in. I still feel sad about this...
"Catholic men do not believe in God." Strange way to put it, but yeah, it's a counter-intuitive community, based as much on ritual participation as faith. I never got why so much is invested in the debate over religion when it's obvious that it's a social glue, not a coherent belief system. Even the proselytizing atheists, like Dawkins, seem to me to take it too seriously, or too on the surface or something...hmm.
-R-
Not ever having been a part of any community I am impressed with the honesty of this declaration. Both my parents were atheists and, as a kid, through my father, mostly, I became acquainted with the old atheists like G.B.Shaw and Oscar Wilde and a few of the Americans. My family on both sides came out of European Jews but my father vigorously disliked religions and made no bones about it. I frequently, from the age of about four or five, got into discussions with the Catholic kids in my neighborhood in Brooklyn about the unreality of religious beliefs but it never became aggressive. Strangely, now at the age of 85, I still engage in somewhat the same discussions with almost the same questions arising and with the same fruitless results. It's obvious that religious disagreements involve something deeply embedded in the bones of each individual and nobody can be enthusiastic about collapsing into a psychological jellyfish.

Very nicely written with calm honesty and direct experience.
I too grew up in a "good" Catholic family, in a Catholic community. I don't know about your contention that Catholic men don't believe in God because I only have a sister and this wasn't something we ever discussed with my father, or any Catholic men for that matter.

But I've found, at least for me, if you're raised this way, the sacrament of Baptism is like a permanent flea dip. It clings, it penetrates to the very core of my existence. I don't agree with everything the church puts forth because that's not what it's about - it's a way of thinking plus the ceremony plus the mystery of faith all rolled into one. There's a tiny part of me that still thinks every other sect and religion is a pretender.

But I never found God through Catholicism. I don't think you can find God through religion; I think you find him in your own way, when you're ready.
ritual, social immersion (not the marketing theory), a lot here. needs to be unfolded a bit more. you have a theory about it? share on westlake? or here some time...

yeah.
We never talked God either, Catholics, too.
Religion, and God in particular, was a non-topic in my family. They considered themselves very traditional, too. I think that God is almost the unspoken element in these situations. It's either assumed, or there's no real connection to it, or both.

Atheism isn't what you mean here, I gather. You make the distinction in your comments. But the issue of belief and how it works in a social setting, what function it serves, is the point anyway, isn't it? We can argue forever about God. The fact that certain members of the family are given different roles to play in relation to faith, and the community, seems accurate. What do you suppose is the force of social coercion used here? Does the family that doesn't adhere lose standing in some way? Or is it an internal loss of coherence inside the family that's threatened? Or both?

Engaging.
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So here's my question:

Is there a way of telling whether Catholic men are actually atheists or whether they just don't buy into specific doctrine and figure that God's in the background somewhere but that the where isn't all that relevant to them? That God, if He exists, doesn't care whether they go to services but limits His concern to the big stuff, like whether they murder someone?
Religion can suck my left nut. Tough words, I know. But you got to understand, there are lots of exceptions to the Big Lie.
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Religion is a comforting thing, and it can still be a positive force in America. I think that the role that the Catholic church in the future might be very important. And I think that in ten or twenty years, all the suburbs will be the hellholes and everyone who's middle class or above will want to live in the inner city.
You write very knowingly about the world I grew up in also. Although the men go to church, I think it is to keep the mother/wife satisfied.
Although my mother goes to church daily at times she never preaches religion to me. It's just the way it is. Mom is holy for us all but will make you feel guilty that you are not. Good post.
Catholic men don't believe in god? Not even the Pope?
Patrick - Sorry for your bad experience. The Church never fully embraced Vatican II. There was a lot of mealy-mouthed sentiment to its support, and the reforms were intended mostly to pacify liberalizing elements in the richer Northern countries. At the same time, the hierarchy was busy assuring bishops in Latin America and elsewhere that they didn't have to take it too seriously. Except for liberationist theology--which the Church has always done everything it could to discourage--the doctrine remains virtually unchanged outside Europe and the U.S., where as you point out there has been considerable back-sliding. This is a global institution, and its recent history is filled with accomodationism.

Davey - No, it's not meant to be coherent. The mystification runs right to the core. And as a social glue, it can't compete with economic forces anymore. Look at how the Church has had to change to compete in the suburbs--doing away with Latin liturgies, and the old, dark message of suffering, in favor of a more positive, "psychological" approach. This is in response to the Protestant churches heading more and more in the direction of a kind of talk-show sermon. Even the architecture changed. The new churches are bright, airy spaces. No more gloom. And very little sense of community exists outside its doors. The time that people spend at church has become a fantasy of community, a substitute for the real thing which is lacking under consumerism. People adhere to their houses of worship in the suburbs in disturbingly dependent ways. The institution in the old communities may have been rooted in a family "scheme," but the Church itself didn't interfere in people's lives, and they didn't rely on it for a sense of togetherness. That came from real common interests, like labor.
Jan Sand - Many people are participants in community without realizing it. In part, that's what the post is about, how community structures family and other relationships. Thank you for stopping.

Feike - The lack of discussion is revealing. Catholic men don't discuss God with each other, either. There's nothing going on "over there," since it's all taken care of by the arrangement of certain roles in the family. It's unclear to me how this works in Protestant communities, since I've never grown up in one. Certainly Protestant men are encouraged in spontaneous confessions of faith, it's an openly confessional point of view. At the extreme, I know that some fundamentalist sects provide members with regular exposure to Bible study groups where people are expected to confess their sins to each other. This is unthinkable even in the new, suburbanized version of Catholicism. The confessional door remains firmly shut. It's hard to say which form of personal-psychological control is more intimidating.
skinnydave - I would say that a family who didn't act in this way is simply not a Catholic family, not in the usual, communitarian sense. They would be considered oddballs. It would be something they would seek to hide--an incoherence or sublimation within the family--and if it did come out, they would face some social opprobrium. So, to your question, it's both. But again, I don't know how true this holds today in the wake of the collapse of the big urban parishes. The Latino community would be the exception--the old structures are still strong there.
kosher - Atheism is a trickier matter, I think, and I'll come back to it in a moment...

Dr Lee - "...there are lots of exceptions to the Big Lie." An apt formula.

old new lefty - That's possible. It's interesting how these things have a habit of turning back on themselves. Like I mentioned to skinnydave above, the Latino community is an exception. The old structures are being preserved there. And the mother definitely plays the central role.

rita shibr - I don't think my father ever would have gone to church if it hadn't been for my mother. Thanks for reading.

DandyLion - You know the line criticizing the office of the pope for becoming a "species of Dalai Lama"? Well, there is a type of leftist criticism that accuses Buddhism (which has often been associated with the conservative establishment, especially in Southeast Asian countries) of being a species of Catholicism where the Dalai Lama is worshipped as a pope. I don't think most Catholic men do either.
kosher - To get back to the matter of atheism...

The radical American political philosopher, Michael Hardt, points out that there are different types or strains of atheism that correspond to different religious faiths: a Protestant strain, a Catholic and Jewish one, even an Islamic strain. And the point is more than a mere psychologicization of non-belief, more than the idea that atheism represents a rejection of the particular form of belief that one grows up with.

Hardt suggests that there are entire traditions of atheism that exist alongside the world religions and run through their theology. After all, what is the main condition of inquiry in Christian thought besides doubt? In this sense, Descartes doesn't establish methodological doubt out of thin air. He unearths and brings it forward as something distinct--and as a way of investigating things that can then be applied to other objects, not just divinity and one's own relationship to it. One might say that what comprises the modern "dogma" on the deepest level is this insistence that doubt remain caught up in the continual investigation of everything.

In the same vein, modern theologians like Paul Tillich and the religious existentialists, who emphasize the profound experience of doubt as the absolute crucible of faith, represent an extension of this atheistic tradition that runs alongside and "interbraids" with faith. When the power of the formal institutions weakens in the modern period, doubt finally escapes to confront the material world head on. And various types of atheism emerge that correspond to these long submerged considerations.

This isn't a recontainment of atheism by faith, either, since this means that atheism is exactly what most atheists (and everybody else) take it to mean: that which exists in belief "after religion."
kosher (cont'd)-

But once again, this shouldn't be confused with the position of Catholic men in the kind of community described in the post. There faith and doubt are still interbraided with each other, and have to be, and through this dialectic of belief and un-belief in the structuring of the family, doubt is put at the service of a community of faith. The containment of doubt in such a community is not just in the discourse that rests on it (theology), or its enforcement (dogma), or the ideological apparatuses (church/school), or even the institutional structure as a whole. It's in how doubt is included as an element in the community to begin with, how it's given a role to play in the community, so to speak. That makes it almost a function of faith. Note how the men defer to the mother in her role as believer-for-the-family. So it's still faith that is the unassailable term there. Atheism comes "after" this moment, it emerges in the unbraiding of the two terms when doubt is freed up and belief finds a whole other life in the world besides the continual orbiting, in tension, around the object of deity.

Historically, even in my youth in the early 60's, this type of community was a holdover from another era. The situation was probably much more pronounced--and much harder for participants to "see"--in my grandparents' time. This history can turn back on itself and start up in another locale or culture (see Old New Lefty's comment and my response above), or it can be turned back for a while by the sheer force of revivalism, led by an institution. But in general there has been an unbraiding of doubt from faith in the modern period, due in part to the slow extinction of such communities and their structures in favor of new ones. The forces that did this were as much economic as social or philosophical--maybe more economic than anything else.
So doubt as opposed to hard-and-fast nonbelief. Agnosticism, then?
kosher - No, I think we're talking at cross purposes now. Doubt is doubt, it's the stuff of the aporias that make up all objects in the world. I'm not sure where agnosticism fits in here. I'm not even certain there is any such position. As it's usually constructed, agnosticism is more of a pop fiction than anything else. Doubt, as applied to the world today, is science, a continual investigating, uprooting, upending of mythologies etc.
boko - so, do you support hardt's contention that there are different strains of atheism, wholesale, or is he confusing that with the role of un-believer some people are given to play in traditional communities? seems to me to be both.

and...what is the theory about how this came to be the case? how did the mother come to be in the position of "believing for the whole family"? why not the father? and why does the axis turn on gender?
This has to be the most interesting religious piece I've read on this site---and I been here awhile.

Your focus on the community is spot on. It's really all about the community. Having grown up with both Catholic and Protestant influences (yes, that is possible) I can tell you that I don't see the differences between the two as being as pronounced as you do.

In many Protestant families, it's the woman's role to be the believer too.

As a Christian, my own belief is that Christianity is too (and pick your own adjective here---many would use a damning adjective---I prefer the word mysterious) And being mysterious it requires community.

Above all---there are always exeptions. People have been trying to figure out Christianity for 2,000 years. Maybe that's the point. Maybe now the only thing that's different is that its our turn.

Excellent piece.
I have to add to what I said to Old New Lefty and Kosher about the possibility for some kind of regeneration of these communities that it would be a local exception to a process begun a long time ago, several centuries. Ultimately the unbraiding of doubt and faith can't be reversed. (That's the fundamentalist fantasy.) It's a social and economic fact, and doesn't belong to some layer of culture that is somehow separate.
Chicago Guy - If autobiography works adjacent to structure, the implications are usually not drawn because we are reluctant to anthropologize ourselves and others we've known well, especially our families and people we grew up with. Still, kinship, sociological fact, cultural anthropology, even the personal-psychological as it relates to structure, all these analyses apply. To what extent does the autobiographical emerge as an aversion to this sort of distancing from ourselves and others? Or as a way around it entirely? Interesting questions. But they're not my focus.
stu - I'm not entirely satisfied with Hardt's explanation of different strains of atheism. Un-belief and atheism are not the same thing. As you point out, people acting in an organized way (structure) is not the same thing as the whole string of events that lead to establishing a fact or assumption (knowledge). There is a complex relationship. The institution does intervene, for one thing, although in the case of these old Catholic communities it was not in the same dependent, self-constructed way that it does in present life.

I accept what Hardt has to say about the tradition and its interbraiding of faith and doubt in the subject (congregant, community member), and that it's not just some sort of psychological "trace" of former personal beliefs. But it's a leap to call that atheism--and in all fairness to Hardt, he only talks about strains of atheism in the present tense. He starts with the present case of atheism and works his way back. That may suggest a submerged history of atheism adhering to each religion, but it's clear that it takes shape as a coming-into-being around the historical separation of doubt and faith, and only finds the form we're familiar with once doubt is freed--that is, once it's methodologized around objects other than the deity.

And I like your new Gulf-of-Aden pirate deckhand look.
stu (cont'd) -

"...why does the axis turn on gender?" Good question, difficult to answer. My own theory...

Matrilineal societies were common in the West thousands of years ago, but their institutions were contained and supplanted by patriarchy before the monotheistic religions arose. The role of the believer for the entire family was, therefore, embodied by the mother, the female head of the household, as both a leftover and as compensation in some ways for the loss in influence outside the home during the transition. This gave her authority over the spiritual affairs within the family, while the priest/cultic-functionary took over for the community as a whole, and men more generally took over economic and social affairs. At the same time, the law became more important--more complex and more binding--and this gave women, excluded in many ways from the formal-juridical system except as subjects of it, a smaller and smaller sphere in which to act. Finally matrilineality itself was legislated away in favor of patriarchal descent of name, rank, and wealth. Again, this process began before Judaism arose, but it was not complete. There even though the community is matrilineal, the juridical and political structure that accompanies it is patriarchal. By the time Chrisitianity came on the scene, patriarchy had been in place for a long time--and so the role of the mother as the cypher for faith in the family was set. It was also never any threat to a generalized patriarchal authority.
boko - beyond engels, but...how does this fit in with contemporary theories of matrilineality and the rise of patriarchy? there's some disagreement, even in the feminist camp, about how this took place. kinship models (gender theory) tend to compete with commodity production (anticapitalist theory). yeah.

& thanks. thought it was time for a new look here.
Interesting. My own upbringing was Catholic and in a white-ethnic, immigrant community in a large northeastern city. Much of what you say is true. The woman often did "believe for the family." She also saw religion as a means of being respectable, thinking that if she got dressed up enough, and did the "proper things" it would rub off on her kids, husband, etc... and make the family more respectable in the long run. Usually, this didn't work.

I also agree about the whole non-believer thing with Catholics. From what I have experienced, Catholics in my neighborhood talked about God and Christ and Church, but it was more metaphorical than anything else. People who "really" believed and lived that stuff were mocked, severely. We especially felt nervous around evangelical Christians for this reason.

I remember going to Friendlys and hearing a bunch of Evangelicals discussing the Bible passionately. Me and my working class friends, most of whom went to Catholic School, were very much wierded out by the whole process. You're only supposed to do that "in school" or "in church." They are "mentally derranged" my friends thought.

The only time my Catholic pals and neighbors ever became uber-Catholic was when we were around non-Catholics and felt our sense of tribal/community/belonging threatened, due to "the other," usually somebody of another parish, religion, group, etc... who came into our town, which was Irish, German, Italian.

I remember my mother, who never prayed the rosary in her life, would visibly leave it around the house, when an annoying Protestant cousin would visit. LOL
stu - The cultural-anthropological theories now admit that matrilineality did not coexist most of the time with matriarchy. For instance, the distinction is made between horticultural societies--where at least some settling happened and farming was carried on in the same locales in different seasons--and true nomadism where hunter-gathering remained the norm, in some cases right up to contemporary times. The point is that matrilineality predominated in both groupings for a long time, and was only supplanted by patrilineal institutions--dowries (controlled by men), enforced marriage, and the priest cult--once commodity production began to take place. The exceptions were in well developed horticultural societies located by a stable water source. This allowed large scale, non-seasonal settling to occur. In other words, it is the city that determines structural shifts like the move from matrilineal to patrilineal power. City life is the constant...
So the debate about whether the oppression of women is a matter of base or superstructure--Rowbotham v. more contemporary critics like Bruegel, Ennis etc.--is off the mark. Whether or not commodity production precedes it, it's the emergence of class (city life) that cements the structure.

The argument that one could find any large number of examples where subordination of women is present, but not class, was always based on a dual hypothesis, both parts of which are false. The first part is contemporary: "real socialist" societies evidenced oppression despite being "classless." But we know that these were state capitalist systems where class persisted. For that matter, even those who reject the state capitalist position still recognize that these societies were deeply flawed, top-down attempts at "local socialism"--again, with class persisting in their bureaucratic superstructures. (It's also odd that many of capitalist critics who take up this line do so as nominally leftist, posing in one part of their arguments to attack imperfect socialism, while in the next part uncritically celebrating capitalism.)

The second arm of the hypothesis is also contemporary, but only in that it concerns contemporary "primitive" societies. Here we now know, beyond the structuralists' sometimes excellent observations, that there are no real paleolithic societies still in existence. Or even merely ancient ones, for that matter. All these groupings carry on, and have been carrying on for some time, both trade and cultural exchange with the so called developed (capitalist) world. This was the case even before the development of colonialism on a large scale, which coincided more or less with the establishing period of "primitive accumulation" in capital's history.
So again, it is the emergence of city life with all its various stratiations of hierarchy, religious, secular, and then finally political, that is, centering more and more on commodity production and accumulation, which allows men to claim more and more power for themselves. The structures of the home, of family life, originally not designated as such (the family extended from the activities of the dwelling out into the community) come to be structured as a separate sphere. City life and home life exist side by side but are separate.

This was an uneven process, taking place in different times and places, but surprisingly persistent overall across cultures, since it has as its base the buildup of a social-organic system of production. We tend to think of the establishment of the home as the "proper sphere of women" belonging to the history of the monotheistic, Abrahamic faiths (the literary record, uninformed by archaeology and other sciences). But there is every evidence to suggest that this process predates antiquity and that the Abrahamic tradition represents a true imitation of these earlier attempts. In ancient Greece, women were married off to their husbands when they were still teenagers and were kept secluded in the home, formally to protect their virginity, but the effect is the same: the home is designated as "women's space," even as the laws of city life and commerce come to encase this zone, making any gesture to an earlier matrilineality and its institutions less and less powerful. Renfrew's work on Mycenaean society reveals a similar process, and so the descent goes back even further into prehistory (prior to the established written record).
It's worth pointing out in all this that capitalism does represent a real plateau--a new arrangement of the social-organic, complete with a major shifting of laws. It's only under capitalism that one special class emerges to dominate all the others that give city life its political charge. And it's to the critique of capitalism we have to look for the counter-statement capable of identifying and mapping the real plateau on which power rests today. After all, fundamentalist Christianity, the barely unofficial philosophy of the American project of global empire, retains many of the same attitudes toward women, but it submerges these under rhetoric about "freedom," meaning freedom of the marketplace. It's global capital that rules the day.
Rw005g - Yes, but communities act in uncharacteristic ways around non-members. Here the behavior referred to is unobserved in that sense, although there's still a process going on between members, both of the family and the community.
boko - it's interesting how the role of the mother believing for the entire family, a relatively powerless role since it's "encased" in the home and kept separate from commerce, coincides (morphs into?) the role of women as the true believers in consumerism. it's women who now fill all the roles as the main shills of the system, from talk-show hosts, to the biggest name celebrities, to u.s. secretary of state. at the same time, they're expected to espouse the personal-psychological perspective, never a structural one. not unless it's clear that it's subordinate to the personal.
yeah.
Back to check on the discussion. One of the more interesting ones on OS as of late.

What role do you see women having in resisting the forces of capitalism?
For those interested, there's a good discussion of the Rowbotham, Bruegel, Ennis debate in Chris Harman's essay "Women's Liberation and Revolutionary Socialism" which appears in his Selected Works from Bookmarks. It's also online at: http://www.marxists.org/archive/harman/1984/xx/women.html
I think the version in the Works is revised, longer, with better notes including more contemporary archaeological material.

This debate has been somewhat forgotten in the recent rush of work on prehistory, a discussion that often seems like little more than a revisiting of Gordon Childe's theories on urbanity with added gloss that pretends to be more of an advancement than it really is. For a review of the major trends and positions see Colin Renfrew's "Prehistory: The Making of the Human Mind" (Modern Library, 2008), which makes up for Renfrew's often droning tone by being meticulously detailed in its explications of the various theoretical schools of thought.
Rw - Women played an important, sometimes decisive role in the social movements that pushed forward new political formations in the Bolivarian revolutions in South America. Womens rights groups played a role in the Tahrir Square uprising in Egypt, and continue to do so there and throughout the Middle East, often at great peril. Additionally, since many of the sweatshops in the "economic development zones" created as a consequence of globalization in Southeast Asia and elsewhere are filled overwhelmingly by women workers, they often have a front-line role in opposing capital at its most "advanced" point of construction today.

In America and Europe, a lot of feminist work in recent decades has centered on efforts to obtain equal pay, hardly a socialist-progressive cause by itself. We may see a change begin to take place--with the debate here and elsewhere over healthcare, an industry where disproprotionate numbers of women work, and with the revival of union politics in the Midwest, there's a need for new ideas and new theories. Contemporary services employee unions and public employee groups are more likely to represent large numbers of women than the old industrial organizations. Whether or not all the activity results in a new praxis that speaks to these workers is another thing.
stu - Even with what I said above to Rw, I still agree that women are often the main shills for the system today. On some level, the image of a motherly woman taking charge and leading with her "emotional intelligence" (a dodgy, none too complimentary term in this context) is a powerful prop of corporate media and capitalist society generally. This is the subtext (barely) to the Sarah Palin phenomenon. She's the good Christian mother come to save us all from our wastrel selves, and so on. This dovetails well with the idea of Christian "frugality," where it's the mother's job to keep the men, and their wasteful habits, in check. She keeps the cookie jar with extra savings for the whole family. We'll call this the Max Weber version.
boko - good to note the involvement of the law in this process. and this isn't to be nostalgic. the position of atheism, as being "after religion", seems to suggest real forward movement, something like the condition described by Agamben where he says that someday people will play with the law like children playing with disused objects. yet the society where that would receive approval has yet to come into being. yeah.
stu - Exactly. It doesn't exist yet. And for those unfamiliar with the passage, it's from Giorgio Agamben's "State of Exception." Here it is:

"One day humanity will play with law just as children play with disused objects, not in order to restore them to their canonical use but to free them from it for good. What is found after the law is not a more proper and original use value that precedes the law, but a new use that is born only after it. And use, which has been contaminated by law, must also be freed from its own value. This liberation is the task of study, or of play. And this studious play is the passage that allows us to arrive at that justice that one of Benjamin's posthumous fragments defines as a state of the world in which the world appears as a good that absolutely cannot be appropriated by the juridical."

This isn't the "post-secular" return to the sublime, or an infinity after-God, or anything like that, either. But simply the world without the law, the world as unassimilable to the law.
Another report out from AP on fixed corporate bonds, this time the focus is on long-term bonds, as a bad risk for both large holders and smaller investors. There are two ways of looking at these types of worries: one, it's accurate and we're all in for trouble, and there are no safe havens; and two, the worries are slightly overblown on the bond side, but that's also being used in an attempt to get people to keep buying wildly overinflated stocks until the current bubble (which one analyst in the story puts at 35% over-valued, a very conservative estimate) explodes and puts everyone, including the rich, back into crisis mode. Anyway, here's the story, "Why safe corporate bonds aren't so smart anymore":
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Why-safe-corporate-bonds-apf-1701928262.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=6&asset=&ccode=

My favorite quotes:

"This market has gone from stupid to ridiculous." (a Miami money manager)
"All hell is going to break loose in the next 4-5 years...." (in the comments to the story posted on Yahoo!)

By the way, these are exactly the kinds of bonds that make up a large part of the investment-side portfolio of so called "venture capital funds" and other structures that close-to-default states around the US are investing in right now, putting themselves even further into debt.

For a fuller explanation, see the previous post on this blog titled "Why we're broke".
boko - what is not obvious in all this to me is, what happens to faith in contemporary society? it would appear to get psychologized and individualized, like in Rudolph Otto, the supreme example of both.
stu - We'll call Otto the suburbanized version. A friend of mine took me to mass at one of the many Protestant super churches in my area not too long ago. It was very bright and cheery, and during the ceremony the preacher chatted with others at the front while their images were projected on a giant screen (Jumbotron) behind the altar. In other words, it was a talk show. Most of the chatter, in keeping with the overall feel, was about how to better yourself--basic ego psychology. I had a headache after about five minutes.

But, what happens to faith itself, in the absence either of community or of any serious "inner" self searching?

Something very sad. Abandoned by community--or denied it in an increasingly anti-social society--faith becomes not only individualized, but overwhelmingly, endlessly invested in the self constructed by capital. That is, faith takes up a permanent relation to the toxic subject, which it has no way to understand, except as a fellow subject of the same faith, and even then a suspicious one.

The toxic subject is without a country, existing in a time and a place filled with enigmatic, frightening others. The subject of faith becomes the subject of the thriller, the suspense noir, the horror movie, the apocalyptic blockbuster--the one lone rock facing a world of chaos. But why should we trust this rock? These are all lonely subjects, enduring in a world that has turned on them. This is the threatened subject, the capital- and state-terrorized subject, the fundamentalist confronting a world filled with nothing but Homo Sacer. Of course, that includes the fundamenalist too, but the fantasy persists.
boko - "...but the fantasy [of self exclusion] persists."

so...faith gets reinvested in political ideologies, localism, "mediatized" beliefs, apocalypticism (non-economic, non-materialistic) etc. there is a remainder tho...the Real...which none of the various fundamentalisms can deal with, not even as well as communitarian theology used to. people feel abandoned, they drift...or worse, they try to reestablish communities, beliefs, nation-states, economies that are already dead.
boko - but how does one separate this out from the emerging apocalyptic view of global capital and its collapse? or are they the same? it seems to me that they are, to some extent. they overlap. yeah.
stu - Precisely. The choice becomes a terrifying one, fitted to a terrifying world filled with terrifying "neighbors," in the old catechismic Christian sense. People want to feel that they're excluded from the generalized collapse, and fundamentalism provides that exclusion--along with a vision of collapse, but transformed into something understandable from that worldview, something that can fit whatever brand of exclusion is being sold. Free market fundamentalism is the worst because it acts as the containment of philosophies and critiques that might otherwise return the Real to its proper dimension. These critiques are contained because they violate the law of necessity that continues to act in such an important way in the objectification of capital, even after collapse.

Only the containment is failing, and politics is making a comeback, beyond competing fundamentalisms...
My pal once worked for an HR dept for a Fortune 500 company and he said that feminization of the workforce is good, because there is more of an emphasis on cooperation and conciliation with management, and less of an emphasis on striking, resistance and confrontation--"bad" things typically associated with male-oriented labor organizations in the past.

What's your take on such a corporate perspective? I shall have to read that essay by Harman. I am currently reading Zombie Capitalism and wish to read more by him in the near future.
Rw - I've never seen any substantial difference in the behavior of men v. women in the workplace, including in labor disputes, and it used to be my job at least in part to look for such things. There are such theories, but they're mostly based on what I like to call the "this is what we have to work with" perspective. In other words, they're not about changing corporate behavior, or even about understanding the structures of corporations as they presently exist. They're post festum observations.

Globalized labor in different sectors was based on large numbers of women workers from the beginning because the types of labor globalized first--textiles, small manufacturing--was always overwhelmingly female. The model carried over, like so much in business. There was very little thought involved in the process of globalization--and there still isn't all that much critical thought put into it, even post-crash. Most of the voluminous material produced on it just repeats the same things over and over. The policies that make up globalization (which is not the same thing as global capital) belong to an extremely ideological era in capital's development, so their official critique has always been pretty weak, and pretty bad at predicting any down sides. Just look at how globalization in heavy manufacturing turned out to be far more expensive than everyone thought when they started getting into it. A number of companies almost destroyed themselves doing it.
Rw - In relation to unions, the situation is even more striking (pun intended). The new services employee unions, which are overwhelmingly female and increasingly minority (56% of SEIU, with 40% of color) are also far more militant than their AFL-CIO brethren. Or should we say sistren, since even in the AFL-CIO 5.5 million current members are women, as are 2 out of 3 new members. Here's an article on various stats globally and in the U.S. on labor union membership by the AFL-CIO:

http://www.aflcio.org/issues/jobseconomy/women/global/WorkersRights.cfm

Hardly a picture of docile female workers.
The end of that link, in case you can't read it, is "cfm".
boko - we haven't really touched on the "interiority" of this process: what the experience is like for the mother who believes for the whole family. from a contemporary perspective, you're right, belief becomes attenuated in one sense, but it also becomes fugitive, invested in the individual, and reemerges as something stronger...so i can understand why zizek says that it's today that people really believe, in a way that they never did before. but the question of what this experience was like in a community remains. i think that butler and others fall back on the performative when it comes to communities, or any structure, in part because this is the most convenient way of getting at this passage from community to consumerism. but then they get trapped in their own trope and can't quite extricate themselves...

by the way, i'm going to amsterdam. might as well enjoy a spliff while i still can, hey? some bad media coverage over here has the ban on coffee shops selling weed to tourists already in effect, but (as usual) that's wrong. want to come? last chance unless you manage to make in there before early next year...
stu - But I think what is needed here, when one talks of the interiority of the soul, or of the spiritual experience, is precisely what Gadamer means to point out when he says "we should be mistrustful of the overtones of our own account of the soul." He says this in The Beginning of Knowledge where he discusses the Heraclitean fragment, "I have sought myself" (frag. 101). Gadamer takes this to mean that Heraclitus felt he had no teacher, he found out everything he knew by himself. But this is Christian interiority originally, isn't it? No one can teach you the path, you have to set your own feet upon it, even if the Word (of God, of Christ, of the Church, of insight or whatever) is your inspiration. You have to find the way. And the distinction is made between the way up and the way down, between the ascent and the fall (and the reconciliation).

I've often thought that fundamentalist preachers who "fall" by getting caught doing something they're not supposed to be doing, something they preach against all the time, seem to plan their fall, so to speak, and that the reconciliation with their flock, too, is planned in this same sense. It's a script built into a religious faith structured around salvation. But the performative doesn't entirely explain it, you're right, or at least it doesn't exhaust the phenomenon. What we need instead, rather than some elaboration of the performative (which might even privilege it as absolute), is a clear statement of what is really going on here. Gadamer puts it succinctly, when he says of the ascent v. the descent, the downward path and the way of salvation: "I think it is a straightforward example of how one and the same thing can look quite different, even opposed." This is a more profound statement than it at first appears--and it has nothing to do with amoralism, or an amoral universe "looking on" while our puny human affairs play themselves out. Gadamer is modern, remember, so he doesn't mean anything other than what he says here: what we are witnessing in one performance (the preacher exhorting his flock to follow him in the way of the Lord) is exactly the same as what we are witnessing in the other (the preacher, fallen from grace, begging to be forgiven). Exhortation, all around.

From the point of view of "interiority," the experience is the same. In a sense, there is only one way of seeing things here. To be involved in, to be a part of, a community and its experiences, is to have your self structured by it. This is what you are, and you have no sense of being anything else. Not at least in relation to these realities, ideas, beliefs etc. The whole complex that makes up religion in a religious community is the self itself. There is nothing else. Even the criticism of the same, from within the community, becomes a part of it, comes in some way from the structure since it makes no sense when it's directed at any other target. The trajectory determines the critique. If it were aimed at anything else, it would unravel. This is why the performative is inadequate to explain what's going on here--it assumes that something exists prior to the event. But what is that? Knowledge? A (pre-existing) transcendent? These are unities after the fact, even after after the fact, that is, after all the states and actions of which we are made are subjectified. The "I" here isn't absolute except as transcendent, as unity.

As faith begins to break down in this structured form, as doubt intervenes in other methodological projects, the self is reshaped. And it's capitalized. But this happens right from the beginning. It's not a product of late capital, or even of the modern era. It's an unraveling that's taking place all the time. Just like the construction of the self under capital, and capital itself and all its relations, is taking place all the time. This is history. There's no end to that until we found a new hegemonic alternative.
boko - so...this is capital even before capitalism. and the history we talked about before is folded into that.
stu - Exactly. This unraveling-reraveling is taking place all the time, and has been for a very long time, but there's no sense of that in any of the contemporary narratives of salvation, whether it's a return to God, or to the flock, or the community (religious, political, identitarian etc.) that's being fantasized. Or even to the "community of humanity," that all-purpose, hypermodern object that appears on the horizon of this history--and not after it, as Fukuyama supposes. And what is this besides another intimation, or better a presentiment, of the absolute material limits of capital, in "spiritual" or metaphysical terms, just like the ecological crisis is a presentiment of the same thing, the same horizon coming into view, in materialistic terms (at least where ecology is not also made into a religion).

It's in the nature of a presentiment to be inadequate as well. It's an indication of events to come and not a new way forward. Doubt, methodological and otherwise, is now trapped in orbit around the object of its own critique: capital. This is why we see the production of so much anticapitalism--resistance to capital--and so few alternatives. And why the endless rehearsal of the story of the "fallen" subject of capital--the CEO, the business type, the conservative, and the liberal, and even the preacher (as far as fundamentalist Christianity is the barely unofficial philosophy of political and legal power in the West)--is the (auto)biographical record of the present crisis. It would seem to lead to something new, redemption, insight, but this is just a return to the same plateau of absoluteness.

The asshole reformed is still the asshole, structurally and in every other sense--it's a non-transformation. "Repent and you shall be forgiven." Only nothing changes. At least in the old religious communities, however off they were in their criteria of judgment, they knew this. Those who repented were indeed forgiven. Then they were cast out, or killed. The modern retains this, and reaches toward clarity without absoluteness. The "postmodern" surrenders, and ends up engaged in an endless round of mutual self-pity with the sources of our misery. We hire them back to run our banks, to run everything.
boko - it's interesting that by the end of that book, gadamer is talking about the ecological crisis, perhaps without knowing it:

"In our century the leading natural scientific disciplines...continue to be physics, the theory of relativity, and quantum physics. Here, the problems at the limits of the measuring sciences have eliminated the last vestige of intuitiveness by means of the complete mathematical formulation of physics. The concept of nature in philosophy has been replaced by symmetrical equations.
It will be our task to discuss whether or not the situation of today's natural sciences can also...lead to a new kind of confrontation with the ancient heritage of science. Today, to a certain extent, one could expect biochemistry...to placed at the center of research interests. But it could be that the discredited philosophy of nature, in addition to remembering the ancient concept of physis, will make new problem horizons visible."

and how. yeah.
stu - This is what I love about Gadamer. When discussing Heraclitus, or the role of science today in relation to its ancient past, he's utterly modern. His hermeneutics, Truth and Method, isn't at all what people expect, either. It's not some boring listing of esoteria. It's a hunting down of all those rules or insights we apply every day to thinking, but don't think about, like "how one and the same thing can look quite different, even opposed." And yes, his approach to the ecological crisis--although he's talking about the ethical problems generated by today's emphasis on biochemistry in research--is obvious in what you quoted.

Amazing work. Gadamer is one of the reasons I'm really not impressed by the anti-academics, at least on this level--all their carping about how academic philosophy is sealed off, irrelevant to the contemporary, etc. Graham Harman's little larvae, in particular, go on and on about how academics have nothing to offer while they're busy feeding off the leftovers of Heidegger, Gadamer, Badiou and other academics, or those who got their start there. What do the anti-academics have to offer instead? "Wilderness philosophy"? Please. That's Heidegger in his hut, the weird, useless Heidegger.

The point is that what the primitivists, and most of the anti-academic crowd, mean to point to with all their broadsides is analytic philosophy. But they don't have the fortitude to name it, so they end up throwing everyone else overboard, too. Sloppy, and dangerous. Remember Rorty, the ultimate academic analytic philosopher, and all that entails, ended his career as an anti-academic, albeit one whose work is deeply entrenched in those structures. Gadamer remained, unapologetically, in his emeritus position until he died at 102.
boko - hah. the anti-academics are all hoping for tenure down the road. that's why they're like that, why they won't raise their hand against analytic philosophy, and end up attacking an empty "academicism".

but it raises a point. what is philosophy? or rather, what makes for good philosophy? is it, "when something else is going on," like with art? are the two related? how?

i think good philosophy is a toolbox of methods. and a search after truth that is useful to people in their fight against power. i don't see why this should exclude continental, or marxist, or even analytic tools...keeping in mind that some of them are more tool-like than others.
yeah.
stu - I think I'll answer you in the next part in this series, since it goes to what I want to say about politics.

And no thanks on Amsterdam for now. I'll wait for the movie.
boko - by the way...there's a lot about women in this post/comments, so it seems like the place to ask...did your son ask you about women, how to treat them, how to act toward them,when he was younger?
stu - Only once. I don't remember asking my dad at all--it was just assumed, "do as we do." He was very liberated, helped to raise us from the start. And of course so was I. My son asked, when he was about 14, very casually, like kids do with important questions: "Dad, what do you think women want?" I said, "I think they want a man, somebody who's not trying too hard to suck up to them." End of discussion. I might even have been a little on the outs with my wife just then, so I hardly thought about it. But he did, for a few days, and then he came back to me and said: "I think that's about right."

It really shouldn't be an issue. Guys who try too hard with women--try to be sensitive all the time, interested in everything they are, etc.--are usually up to something. Or just trying to get them in the sack.
boko - hah. or they just want a woman they can tell what to do...
stu - I've never understood that. At the very least, the dirt bottom, of the situation, aren't those guys wondering, "When will she put the ice-pick between my shoulder blades?" I mean, an expensive divorce, when they're both about 45, the kids are gone, and he's stupid enough to get a girlfriend.
boko - hah. that's true. but then a lot of what men and women play at with each other these days comes from sitcoms and other media. look at the phenomenon of male aloneness: men are supposed to crave being alone more than anything else, but it's not good for them for some reason...so women are supposed to save them from it, from themselves. people actually act this out. it's silly.
...and i'm off to amsterdam tomorrow. alone. yeah.
stu - I agree with you, narratives of salvation, including the salvation of men from themselves, have become a big part of this bullshit Christian culture that has infected everything. It started before Christian sitcoms, but it really got going with shows like "Growing Pains," "Family Matters," and the absolute worst, "Home Improvement". The men were emotionally incapable, or they were sensitive to the point of being drippy, just to point out the contrast. It continues today, but underneath a slightly more sophisticated (gentrified?) veneer, like with "Modern Family". Women who imitate this scenario are supposed to rescue men from their cluelessness and aloneness, offer them options they wouldn't otherwise think of. The man retreats to the garage and fiddles with cars until the good woman comes out and saves him by suggesting they do something together, something romantic, or by getting him more involved with the kids...This was always in the background of the formulaic stories that provide the basic template of sitcoms, a kind of formula behind the formula. And these were the things that got the biggest laugh--oh, look, he's Man, she's Woman, etc.

It was alongside this sort of thing that themes of renunciation and spiritual salvation started to creep in. Sitcoms and other shows really began to get under my skin when they got serious. Themes of death and birth and outright conversion were featured more and more. Something like "The Dick Van Dyke Show" or "Mary Tyler Moore" would be unthinkable today because they're just silly, screwball comedy at their core. Even the gender roles there are not so important. The stories that deal with them address them head-on, but usually only to dismiss them, and show you that "people are people" and so forth--insipid enough, but far preferable to the born-again shit of today.
boko - on your bit to skinny...so images or presentiments of apocalypse here are a false way of pre-empting the project of surpassing being, by bringing it to an "end."
...and I agree about where sitcoms and other pop media have gone. it still doesn't explain why there are no bigger alternatives, even if the corporation dominates.
stu - On apocalyptic images and narratives, right. They draw a line that says, "beyond this point, nothing." They are also, in this way, another species of pre-emption overall. They attach to power because power on some basic level is an attempt to freeze or halt things, and not just to arrest them temporarily, but to stop once and for all the continual surpassing of being toward Being. Agamben points this out when he shows how the law is really trying to become all of life. If the law, control, can stretch itself over life and become the only surpassing, it can disqualify/displace all others. Of course this is an absurd project that involves power withdrawing in on itself at the same time that it's deployed everywhere. And now we're back to the description of autocracies, and their contradictoriness, from the post.
stu - On the absence of alternative medias that are large enough to be felt like the establishment media...I think the law plays a role here, too. There are a lot of restrictions on how one can and cannot make or fund a film in the U.S., for example, lobbied hard by the biggest corporate players and kept in place by big money shoveled at Washington. This is another form of "competition" in the minds of those who run the largest studios and shops, I'm sure--"to the victor goes the spoils," and all that crap, including, evidently, any future aesthetic awareness or experience beyond "Kung Fu Panda." But other ideological apparatuses are at work--churches, even schools, which encourage agreement, or at best a kind of flat or merely ideological response. Creativity is being drained from the system at almost every point as law and money take over.
stu - It's also possible that people's gendered behavior today, the kind of backsliding into man v. woman we've seen, is a function of the genetic-oriented biologisms that dominate in the academy. Then again, some people are just stupid. TV influences them a great deal, and not just on the level of the shows and the content. It's not really about the shows. Television is all about watching and being watched, it's a complement and encouragement to the type of paranoia that ascribes contingency to certain discreet agencies in the system. This kind of paranoid analysis doesn't just diagnose the problem right and get the cause or source wrong. It gets both wrong. Praxis can't be parsed out. Even in its criticism of pop culture and politics, the paranoid critique fails. The "progressive" approach that finds some sort of great insight in the fact that there are a handful of media conglomerates in the world is the pararllel empty criticism to paranoid political arguments that would have us fixate on the intelligence services and their creep activities. Instead, it's the consultancy class, with their endless reports on "economic conditions" and emphasis on "debt restructuring" that actually represent the closest thing to a locus of agency in the system today. Everything else has been fragmented--even most of the creep work has been farmed out to private consultants.

The only thing worse than the empty paranoid critiques that get things wrong are analyses of them that fail to go beyond opposition and offer any real insight--these theories wallow in the critical and ignore truth. And the truth is that bad art (most pop culture) is a distraction from good art, not from economy. It's politics--the liberal-democratic routine of representative democracy--that is the distraction from economy. There is nothing going on there.
boko - it occurs to me that there are aspects to the role of matriarch, female head of household, other than the 'core believer' around whom every else's faith orbits...specifically in relation to labor, or at least how one seeks one's place in the world of commerce and society, and psychology.

it's the matriarch's job to act as a sort of guardian of her children's dreams, and to judge them, according to their practicality or at least their achievability. this might seem like the father's role, but i think his function in relation to work and the world is to lay down a general framework, with certain landmarks, which is supposed to be used as a guide for all activities. so...he doesn't so much pass judgement on one's aspirations, as he helps to determine how they're conceived of--the list of possibilities--to begin with. he doesn't intervene, unless it's a basic matter of rule-breaking...like going outside of the standard conceptions by choosing an unfamiliar field (the arts for many, but if it's a more intellectual family, maybe manual work which would be considered "beneath" the mark). but the mother's role is more active, she keeps judging things to be inadequate regardless of the choice. this is something that's always brought up as part of a typology in pop culture, like in sitcoms, without ever really being explained--in the nature of typologies. the point is control...and the result is that many people grow up thinking of their mothers as unreasonable, and on some level, unable to determine what is really practical in the world. this could even be the fundamental source of the idea that women are unworldly...especially since we gave up on the "victorian" idea of women's innocence a long time ago. i don't buy the presumption of media stories about cheating, where it's always the man and so forth...it seems like a desperate attempt to re-impose something that noone identifies with in real life. again, the total separation between present media images and street-life. yeah.
stu - I think you're right. My father was very staid in his support of capitalism, in spite of his radical union politics. I remember once when I gave him a book about Marxism (I think it was "The History of Revolution") and he was physically upset while he read it, really agitated, moving around in his chair, almost squirming. He never finished it, but he kept it--I think he liked to go back to it every once in a while, privately, as if it were something truly dirty.

What doesn't show up in your brief analysis, however, is how this situation, this political-economic division of family labor, frees women to some extent, so that they're able to participate in subtle, even subterranean critiques of capital. My mother does this. She's very old now, and she fixates on money problems. But she doesn't have any money problems. She's taken care of by myself and my brother and sister, and she has some small fixed income like most old folks. Her fixations on money are all in the form of complaints about various big institutions though. This company or that company is trying to rip her off for a few dollars, or they're not sending her the right forms, etc. This despite the fact that most of her affairs are handled by others. It isn't just her way of keeping in touch with the "real world", either. I mean the world of financial and commercial experience. At some level this could be part of it, but look at the form it takes. It's a basic critique, but a critique of capital, big capital, nevertheless. The problem is in thinking that this will take us somewhere. It's too basic, TOO close to home. It points out another reason, perhaps the best one, to distrust the reliance on localism--any decent radical politics starts with local issues, and at the same time, the point is to get beyond them to some kind of understanding of the major crisis trends in global capital and why they CAN NOT be solved. The social-organic HAS to be re-founded on other means, on something other than this old, exhaused logic of exploitation, for economic as well as real-material reasons. Trajectory is important from the beginning in critique.
stu - In another sense, most people end their lives fixated on money. And this isn't just a function of getting old in a capitalist-functionalist society which has no real use for you--along with increasing numbers of other people, the disabled, the young, immigrants. You find that you no longer have any purchase on politics except to prevent certain things--cuts to social security or other benefits, atrocious laws designating foreign nationals as pariahs--and so you've become the "outsider." This explains some of the fury of the reactionaries, the Tea Part set, etc., because they thought it would never happen to them, they feel entitled in some way, and it's hard to argue with those who are fighting to be treated with basic dignity. But that's just it. They STILL identify with a system that is set upon spiriting everything away to some ideal, utopian zone of investment. This is the only space in which the dreams of capital can be played out today. The plane of material reality has become a nightmare, and so the illusion has to remove itself to an area that (supposedly) cannot be touched. You see the confusion in Rw and other progressives on OS, too. They can't really imagine an alternative to the present order. It's not cynicism--far from it--but rather a sort of leftover utopianism..."the system can still be saved, no, really, look, we can nip and tuck it here and there," and so forth. It's pure desperation.
Stu,

A phrase came to me over my vacation:

"God is Disengaged"


Ya know...? Ya know...?
yay. a little bit o guattari goes a long (broadway style) looooooong waaaaaaaaaaaaaay!
Thank you, Thank you...(bowing in two directions at once, and then turning all the way around and bowing in an impossible third)...