Brian B

Brian B
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Thunder Bay, Canada
Birthday
November 14
Title
Devil's Advocate
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The Sort of Company your mother warned you about
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A Work in Progress. When not doing the devil's work, I'm the single parent of two great young men, living playing and working in beautiful Thunder Bay Ontario. That's at the western end of Lake Superior - the North end of Highway 61. from here, you can just drive all the way to New Orleans, though I have yet to do it.

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MAY 17, 2009 10:41AM

Annoyed by My Own Ambivalence or 10 Reasons - Church or not?

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When it is good, I love going to Church, but I haven't been going. Lost the habit years ago, as the marriage spiraled into the swamp. The wife would go to study, I would work, cook, do housework. The boyos were old enough to just say "no".

 I felt  and feel guilty that I let the kids "off the hook", and failed my oath given at their baptisms to give them a Christian Education, and seek their confirmation. Mid sized B went long enough to learn the basics, and is intellectually inquisitive enough to sample more, but is a science based agnostic/atheist. At least he made an informed choice. Lil B barely remembers church, and rejects it like most structure and authority, from a position of ignorance.

 My own faith is idiosyncratic. I'm too skeptical and logical to read the Bible as literal truth, but love it as more than merely literature. It is to me a mystical code of the infinite miracle which is mankind - essential truths told as fables, allegories and parables.

 When I bought this house, the fact that is within walking distance of my church was a bonus. Yet I have walked there maybe three or four times in 19 month, and, no, I did not venture out by car on those below freezing winter mornings. 

And here I sit, dithering past the window of opportunity another week, drafting this post. Its easy to come up with 10 Reasons NOT to go:

  1. Sunday is my fave morning to work when its quiet at my too noisy office, early,before others arrive .
  2. Its cool out - too cool to walk?
  3. If I drive, where will I park.
  4. What if its a dreary substitute minister? (see reason 2 to go)
  5. I should be here for the kids when they get up (hah!)
  6. housework.
  7. coffee
  8. OS
  9. The Saturday Globe and Mail newspaper, arrived to late to readSaturay.
  10. Feeling out of place amongst the aging congregation
  11. what if the music sucks?

See...that's a bonus 11!

But just as easily, I list 10 reasons to go, though now its too late (that would be reason 12 NOT to go):

  1. I love the sense of community, of place, of shared personhood, the core of civilization.
  2. The regular minister is an academic, but also a cheerfully down to earth realist. His sermons teach lessons which take Bible texts and make them relevant and challenging in a good way, sparing us the fundamentalism.
  3. The services and liturgy are not literalist.
  4. When its good, the music is overwhelming and uplifting.
  5. If its a nice day to walk, its wonderful.
  6. It takes my out of my intermittent urge to hibernate.
  7. Today, I was at work early, home early, had lots of time.
  8. Other Sundays, I could dress a little better going to the office, drive from there -few people bother with a suit and tie these days.
  9. If I don't go, will the church close (its a real concern), the minister move on, the opportunity be lost? Simply put, I should walk the talk.
  10. I feel better after I go. 

I am, as you can tell, annoyed by my own ambivalence.

What's a man to do?

 

 

 

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Brian, I can appreciate you honesty. It's obvious that it bothers you not to go. After looking at your reasons to go or not to go, I would think you WOULD go. I found your reasons to go more compelling.
I go because I truly enjoy attending...and yes, part of it is the social aspect of it. I believe we do see Christ in others. I also go because I truly believe in the sacramental aspect to attending church and receiving the sacraments. Whether I can always "feel" the grace, I believe there is grace with attending. Lastly, I also go out of duty and fear. (I'm afraid NOT to attend church since it's one of the commandments.)
Gee, Brian, sounds to me like you want to go. Can you check online and see who's preaching and what music is being played this morning? Lots of churches post their Sunday morning programs. And the suit and tie? To heck with that. They're either happy to have you as you are (do you want to borrow my Mickey jammies?) or they're not the congregation to be with.

I'd count the walk outside as going to church, too. What better cathedral ceiling than the sky?
fortunately, I don't have this dilema. I debate enough things that I'm not going to pile this one on too.

But I understand your quandry Brian...especially where the kids are concerned. While I don't attend church now, I do appreciate that I got the basics up to the age of 10. It provided me a base for my future examinations of faith and spirituality.

Growing up, the church was a big part of the community, and we were smack in the middle of it. Interestingly, my mother returned to attending church regularly only 5 or so years ago...after she hit 70. I suspect she made a similar list and finally the pros won. Now she is a regular and seems to really enjoy it. Dad only goes when they are serving pie.

So, like my mom, maybe you won't return to regular services until you have more time or like Dad...when they serve pie. But, it doesn't mean you can't go once in a while and not beat yourself up the other times.

...hmmm what to do, what to do?
oh god, i know that feeling so well. that double bind thing. i'll feel carpy if i go and i'll feel carpy if i don't go. it's not an easy decision but i think you've decided. by not going over and over again. there is something missing there for you. maybe you need to try out other churches. i'm probably projecting because tried out other religions when Judaism let me down. but i know this feeling. i go through it every day. i should leave the house. i should take the dogs out for a walk. i should go to the pharmacy/grocery store/whatever. but, no, i don't feel well enough. i have a fever. the dogs will forgive me if i don't get them out. it's a constant inner battle. i'm so glad that yours is only once a week. :) love love love
7 and 8 are all the reason I need not to go.
thanks, guys and gals for taking a supportive approach. Yes, I should go, will go...easily said when its safely past...
unfortunately, my church, though it has a website, does not tell who is preaching. Occasionally, a guest preacher IS listed, but just as often, not...
I'm totally with you on this one. One of the bonuses of sending my kids to Catholic school is that they go to church every week, so I don't feel too guilty when we don't go on the weekends. My main impetus for going is to get the "parishoner" tuition rate. But you are right, there are just as many good reasons to go as there are not to go. So what do you do? Go when you can, don't feel guilty when you can't, and find that happy medium. But definitely go, sometimes. And walking distance from your house? Come on, Brian! You have no excuse!
As a pastor, I can solve the issue of the guest preacher for you. Except for true emergencies, "regular" preachers don't just disappear. They announce beforehand when they're going to be gone and who will be filling the pulpit. If you'd been there last week, you would have known who was preaching this Sunday. ;)
Are you in my head? Spooky. Really.
Ya know Brian - every once in a while, I have every good intention of going to church - I read spiritual texts almost daily and pray daily. I really want to make a habit of going to church on Sundays but never quite do it. I go mainly for the community although I can not espouse any particular religion. I am mainly into reading spiritual texts that have to do with the teachings of Jesus and Buddha but today, Zumalicious had a prayer from a Lakota Chief that was amazing...great Sunday meditation. You need to do what works for you.
Pf: but it's uphill on the way home...steep uphill...my house is near the high point in the city, the Church is almost down to the lake.
HL: our minister has regular 'study weeks' in lieu of proper salary, but they are irregular, as he tries to be there for major occasions.
gracielou: I wish I could write like you if I was in your head!
leondre: well said. thanks.
I step outside and feel God all around me. I know I don't have to go anywhere to honor him, I do it the way I live my life. I truly believe when I go outside I hear Him speaking through the sounds of the birds, the breeze rustling in the trees, the sound of a hawk slicing through the air, or the waterfall. This is the church I most respect.

God would not want me to feel guilty for polluting the air to go sit in some artificially conceived house to worship. Nope.
I'm not a church-goer tho was raised a catholic and went daily until 8th grade. As an adult, I've grown to abhor organized religion for myself and family. That said, I read your 2 lists carefully (but none of the comments yet) and I think you have far more compelling reasons to go than not go. In fact,. I'd say you're doing yourself a disservice by not going. And really, walking in the cold is amazing until you get too old to stand it, or if you have ailments that are aggravated by the cold.

You seem to get so much out of going, I can't understand why you'd ever miss it. Even if it's a sub minister, hell, she might say one thing -- just one -- that might change your outlook for the day, or even the next hour or 2. Sucky music? Listen to the lyrics, or the perfect way the notes play off one another. No music really sucks, not totally.

Well, that's my take on your lists. Seems to be you're lucky to have something so simple and close by that gives you so much.
Go when you feel like it, don't go when you don't. This may not solve the dilemma, but you will be true to yourself none the less. That you think about it and ponder the choice says a lot about your heart and consciousness. It will figure itself out and so will you.
dangnabbit, Buffy, Cindy. cartouche. Such valid compelling, different viewpoints... more food for thought. There are days I just hate thinking...but thanks for the fodder.