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OCTOBER 20, 2008 11:36AM

For Jodi, Odette, and Halloween - children and spirits

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On children and “spirits”…

 

Ever since my 3-year-old son, Patrick, learned to talk, he has been telling us odd things. It started with his insistence that he saw a man “in the wall… go through the wall,” pointing to the wall over his diaper changing table. He told us many, many times about this man and once said he was named Joseph and talked to him at night. During dinner one evening, he suddenly asked, “Who’s that man?” while pointing over to the fireplace in the parlor of our old house. Pulling into the driveway one afternoon, Patrick asked me who was standing on the patio waving at us. I couldn’t see a thing in any instance.

 

We moved into a new (but very old) house this spring. He doesn’t report seeing people here, but he says there are flashing lights in his room at night.

 

Patrick is now verbal beyond what is typical for his age, and he especially likes to talk to me before bed. This summer, he began to insist he had a past life. He told me he had “another mommy before I was in your tummy.” He says his other mommy “got old and had something wrong here” (pointing to the side of his head). Then, “she went to the hospital and the doctors tried to help her, but she decided to just give up and be nothing for a while.” He said he was still able to see his old mommy and “his grandpa” and to play games with them in a place “that wasn’t creepy but had [pause] something [pause] standing there.” He said he saw me living in my own parents’ house before he went into my tummy and was born.

 

He also said that animals are “dying, dying, dying all the time and going to Heaven.”

 

I don’t know what to make of what he says. I don’t want to worry him, as he is an incredibly sensitive child in many ways. Who knows? He might be onto something. I also don’t want to fawn all over him to encourage him to start making things up. When he talks like this, I go with a “mildly interested” demeanor.

 

Lately, his baby brother (age 1) has been pointing into nothingness and asking, “Dat?” Here we go again…

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VERY cool!
It's important to keep asking him these questions. You're doing a great job, in my book. There's a fine line you have to walk with children. You want them to retain their sensitivity and "memories" but you want them to be able to deal with "polite" society, too.

Once, when the 11 year old GirlChild was not yet two, she stood up in my grandmother's kitchen chair, pointed into the living room and said "Hello, Mildred!" My grandparents got *really* quiet.

I asked who Mildred was.
They said it was the name of the woman who had lived in the house before them. (An old friend of the family and the mother of one of my mom's high school friends.)

Smiling and nodding is a really good course of action.
You might want to write things down, too. I have a hard time remembering which kid said what these days.

(thumbified for ghostilarity)
You're doing a great job. Much better than me I'm certain. And everything Jodi said and more. I actually had an hilariously silly but stern talk with our 'ghost' last night when the Kid woke up from sleep and started cooing and waving at something that wasn't there.

It isn't seemly to wake the baby, even if you're not alive. Maybe especially if you're not alive.

Being open to your child's experiences, whatever they may be is always an excellent idea. I fail on that level quite often because feelings of protectiveness and concern can be overwhelming. I'm working on it.
Jodi - "Hello, Mildred" would have freaked me out a little, too, since Mildred isn't a common name one might pull out of nowhere! It's hard to explain that any other way than a paranormal explanation.

Odette- Ghosts waking up babies? How rude, even if they are friendly ghosts! I find myself a little creeped out at times going in to check on the kids at night. I remember seeing an episode of Montel Williams when I was on maternity leave, and a guest was showing a camcorder video she made of her baby monitor's video screen (one of those night vision deals). The screen showed the sleeping baby and a bunch of bright lights swirling all around and through the baby. It is forever in the back of my mind when I look at the baby monitor screen at my house.
There is something about putting a camera in a part of the house that creeps me out. Not the unwanted shots of me, although that is pretty awful. No. The idea that someone will 'appear' in the viewfinder. Obviously, I have watched WAY too many spooky movies.

I have a camera monitor and keep expecting to see something creepy in it. That or the mouse in the Kid's closet crawls across the frame, which would be really bad.
Odette - Huh. Try sitting in the pitch dark in the Spanish Military Hospital in St. Augustine, while the doors on both ends of the room open and close and the giant wooden cross on the wall swings back and forth! I REALLY wanted to see something other than orbs in that viewfinder! You can hear me on the tape in a soft voice saying, "Come on, come on, show me what you look like."

That night, when I was brushing my teeth to get ready for bed, I was chanting, "Idon'twannaseeanything, Idon'twannaseeanything!" It's all about the context!
I'm not Jodi or Odette, so I hope you don't mind me butting in, but I wanted to say that it sounds like you have a very special little guy (and like he has a wonderful mama, too). If you haven't read it already, I highly recommend Chilren's Past Lives by Carol Bowman. I was pretty skeptical going in, but the research on past lives is actually quite compelling. Children seem better able to access those memories, especially when their parent is accepting of it, as you seem to be.

As for the ghostie stuff, I'm way too easily spooked to want to comment on that side of things! :D
Thanks, Marple. I'll check it out. I saw a case on the internet about an Indian boy who seemed to be reincarnated and still had a previous set of parents (from his past life) living, so the investigator was able to connect a lot of dots. It got me thinking.

I feel brave about possibly seeing something when I'm with a group or during the daytime, but I have also made the "I don't want to see anything" statement to myself. It seems like I'm always seeing a flash of something out of the corner of my eye in my current house, especially on the second floor. It could be my imagination, but it has freaked me out when alone. I really don't want to see anything at night!
Oh wow. I have to come ghost hunting with you at some point in the future.

Yes, you don't want any unwanted visitors following you home. I remember hearing an EVP from this ghost hunting group where they were at a cemetery. As they were leaving, a disembodied voice said, "Let's go with them."

Hmm. Maybe I should break out the tape recorder and set a few ground rules about night time visits and see if I get a response.

Or, you know, not.
wow really cool and kind of intimidating!
My mother insisted that my daughter is the reincarnation of my great-grandmother (who raised my mother and died when I was 17). There were a number of factors that supported her theory/assertion. I do know that young children are more sensitive. It's marvelous that you have an open mind to this.
Very interesting! I've had enough odd experiences in my life to know there is more than the obvious and the visible. Don't be freaked or he might be too, eventually.
I'll admit that when he started talking about his previous mother giving up at the hospital and deciding to be nothing, it kind of shocked me. I mean, what 3-year-old talks like that? I didn't let on, though, because he is so sensitive that I could very easily freak him out.
Hi from Toledo, buckeye!

When my daughter was born, I took her and my son to see my elderly (and favorite) uncle, who was living in a nursing facility. He was always sweet to my son, but when he saw my baby girl, he was delighted. He'd always had a soft spot for the girls -- and correspondingly, all the girl cousins thought the world of him.

A few months after he died, I was trying to rock my screaming infant to sleep or at least to quiet, when I looked up and saw my uncle's face reflected back at me in the glass over a picture on the wall. The picture wasn't of him, or of any person, so I knew what I was seeing wasn't some aspect of the picture.

Exasperated with the fussy baby, all I could say was, "You know Uncle Frank, if you're here to lend a hand, now would be the time."

Seriously, she fell asleep right after that. And I like to think that Uncle Frank is looking in on her every now and then.
Annie, were you "creeped out" by the image, or was it comforting?

My son said he saw a hand (just a hand) outside our window during dinner last night. Don't know what that was all about.
I've read somewhere that children are often able to see spirits but that this ability fades as they become older. I've had two of my children report "seeing" their deceased grandparent when younger but then nothing since they've gotten older. We live in a very old house (1830) and one night, I woke up to go to the bathroom and saw a small ghostly figure sitting at the foot of my bed. I didn't tell anyone about it, thinking it was just my eyes playing tricks. Some time after that, my son, who was 3 or 4 at the time, said he saw "that boy" standing at the top of the stairs and then another time, he said he saw him in his room. I do think that children are more open to situations that we can't explain than adults are and as a result are more likely to experience this type of phenomena. It sounds like you are doing the exact right thing in getting him to talk about what he sees yet not becoming alarmed by what he says. Very cool post.
It's got to be the age! My son is the reason I believe in reincarnation. At this same age, he asked me why we didn't go to church like his old family did. ( we aren't regular church goers and hadn't been in years so he really pulled that out of nowhere) When asked what happened to his old family, he told us they died from an animal disease. (no idea what that meant)
There's no way at this age they know to lie and make these sorts of things up in my opinion.
Also, we moved into the house were my Grandparents and aunt had passed away. We took care of my aunt in her final days. My son said he had seen a woman with her before she passed. I pointed to a row of pictures on a shelf and asked if any of them were the woman he saw. He pointed to my grandmom.
I asked where he saw her and he said by the kitchen window. This particular kitchen window was the one she used to watch us leave from, she'd wave good-bye out of it until our car was out of the drive way.
He could never have known that, he'd never met her. She died in 84 and he as born in 93.
Great post!