Carted off by Police, and in trouble again. Before you see me on FOX NEWS or in the Cedar Rapids Gazette, let me tell you what REALLY happened at the Loebsack's Town Hall Meeting in Cedar Rapids that left me with a twisted knee and crying as I left the meeting.
There were over five hundred people at the meeting, more of them doctors and doctor's wives than I have seen in one place at one time anywhere except the medical society meetings at the Country Club. As a former doctor's wife, many of my old friends waved and talked to me. Susan Haupt and her husband Dr. David walked in with me, talking about horses. Sue asked if I was here to raise a ruckus, as they were. I said that I hoped I wouldn't have to. So much for that.
The mood in the room was charged. A few right-wingers started chanting, and health care reformers tried to out-shout them. It seemed to be divided about evenly.
I sat toward the front, with anti-reformists behind me, and to my right and in front were two large men. The man beside me, Mr. Weems owner of Legacy Manufacturing was loudly vocalizing against everything Obama.
"I pay eighty employees and provide health insurance for them and this will make it so that I can't do that."
"Death sqads are mandated."
"The government can't run anything...look at the post office...Amtrack..."
I mention that the Post Office is privitized, as is Amtrack. He and his friend yell at me, "NO IT'S NOT." And they keep that up. They keep yelling at me while I'm trying to write my question on the paper to be entered into the question lottery.
This whole thing makes me angry. His yelling at me and being able to shout me down made me angry. His yelling "Liar, liar," at Loebsack made me angry. My former friends the doctors made me angry when they kept yelling at me about how they treated people with no health insurance all the time and didn't charge them. If that were the norm, it would be great, but it's not the norm. Even when we do have health insurance, we get charged, and the bills sent for Collection if they are not paid promptly where we are harrassed and harrassed until we pay.
You know how I feel about this health care system. It's become a road to wealth for doctors, insurers, drug companies, hospital administrators, and medical equipment manufactures. It has become a road to ruin for the common working person.
I was determined to stand my ground, but was definately being shouted down, so I put my sign in front of the Loud Man's face, so he grabbed it, and we strugged over the "Health Care for All," sign. I pulled and couldn't get it away from him. I was yelling at him as loud as I could, saying, "GIVE ME MY SIGN." I pulled so hard that I fell on the floor and twisted my left knee. I felt like stabbing the guy with my pen or taking a wild swing at him, but I didn't.
The sign was the excuse, the anger was fear and intimidation. I felt that as a woman against this white male establishment there was no way I could communicate with them my own frustration with the system, and that their shouting would always be louder than mine because they were/are stronger.
My knee is starting to swell, and I feel hopeless to change this entrenched system that is only working for the VERY wealthy.
Two police officers, a man and a woman pushed their way through the seated crowd, and asked me if I was okay, and what happened. I told them I didn't really know what happened. The Shouting Man was still shouting and refusing to leave the auditorium when they asked him to. When I made another reply to the Shouting Man's shouting, the female officer asked both of us to step outside the auditorium. I immediately got up and went with her, leaving the male officer and the Shouting Man to follow.
The officer pulled me away from the Shouting Man, who was still arguing, and I was replying. She was firm about the rules of engagement. She told me I could not use my sign to stop him, and that he could shout as much as he wanted and I could not interfere with his shouting. After just a few minutes, she said if we could agree to stay out of each other's way, we could go back in to our seats beside each other. We both agreed to stay out of each other's way, but neither of us would change seats. I guess we are both stubborn idiots.
As we resumed our seats, a woman asked me HOW I was allowed to come back in! I said to her, "We BOTH were." A gray haired lady two rows up with a small sign that said simply,
CARE FOR EVERYONE
turned around in her chair and smiled at me. She kept asking me throughout the rest of the meeting if I was okay. I said yes, and it was a good thing because I'd never get a doctor in this town again.
The craziest thing about it is.....there were so many people on both sides of the aisle who asked me if I was okay after my fall.
There were smiles and even hugs from total strangers. Dr. Haupt stopped me and asked if I was hurt. Several friends who I didn't see at first caught my eye and smiled and gave me a thumbs-up.
One young man said, "you're just passionate!" He gave me a hug, and I accepted it. I limped out of the auditorium.
In the hallway, another large man stopped me and said, "I don't agree with you, but I want to appologize for what happened in there. It wasn't right."
I said. "I just want everyone to be taken care of....I want us to all get along." I'm afraid with the current media and entrenched political system we are constantly pitted against each other. And I fell right into it.
Clark Reike was right. I'm not a very good pacifist.
As to the meeting itself, I was really impressed with Dave Loebsack and his staff.
He maintained his cool, invited the disagreement.
He said it was okay even if we were brought to the meeting by emails from our respective specail interest groups because that was the American Way.
He accepted both boos and cheers and a standing ovation from his supporters with good grace and humor.
He even allowed my Heckelers Buddy next to me to continue heckling him through the rest of the meeting.
The questions were selected from the basket AT RANDOM by members of the audience. There were questions and statements from both sides of the disagreement.
One other thing I am certain of:
No minds were changed.
No additional information was absorbed by either side, even when it was presented rationally.
It gave people a chance to blow off steam, but not in a way to reduce the pressure on the pressure cooker.
I'm glad I went.
My daughter Natalie was proud of me. She believes in standing up for what is right. And, I do too.
"Care for Others," is right.


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Take care of yourself.
~sigh~
I attended Senator Cardin's town hall meeting at Towson University last Monday. Had some very interesting conversations with folks there.
http://open.salon.com/blog/xylocopa/2009/08/10/theyre_as_mad_as_heck_and_theyre_not_gonna_take_it_anymore
Sounds a bit like Rodney King!
I am a bit surprised by the lack of civility in Iowa. And I'm surprised at a reasonably well educated electorate being taken in by such patently false and demogogic buzz phrases as "death squads". Have conservatives become so jaded as to actually believe that such a thing is possible in this country?
Additionally, in all the years I lived and worked in Iowa I, like most others, was a staunch supporter of both Tom Harkin and Chuck Grassley even though my politics were closer to Harkin. But I always found Grassley to be a man of his principles and could respect him for that. It seems as though he has swallowed much of the "party line" on this issue. Is he not aware that this health care reform could actually be a good thing for many farmers in terms of the ability to secure affordable health insurance for their families? Farmers have always been like independent contractors who have to "pass" medical underwriting while working in a fairly hazardous profession.
And, I wanted to thank you for this post. It puts a true face on what indeed is transpiring in these "town hall meetings". Freedom of speech and assembly is apparently a right reserved only for those who agree with us.
That said, change will happen in time, and the result will eventually surprise even those who think they're in charge. We as a civilization have hit the reset button - now comes the changes we've wanted for a long time. It's the transition time that's hardest.
You are heard beyond the craziness. I admire your tenacity, your courage. I pray this debate[?] doesn't derail needed reform. rAted!
I still believe that there is hope.
thanks
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That such heckling and repugnant behavior would be allowed in a public meeting is beyond me. It prevents any real dialogue from occurring.
Bruce, I love what JK said in her post in quoting the father of their system....that we are all mice, and we have elected cats to rule us. Where is help when you need it?
JK, Thanks for your excellent post on the Canadian system. With the frenzy Fox & company has created, we're more likely to have another murder than agreement on this plan. I'm still going to forward your post to everyone I know, even though the Right won't believe a word of it since it doesn't agree with them about how bad Canadians have it.
Emma, Thanks for your comment and concern. Even though my knee hurts, I'm seriously considering organizing a protest outside the hospitals in the area. Healthcare was the number one concern in the election...how come now it's 'status quo full speed ahead?'
Thanks Patrick! I'm happy to see it's possible to still have conversations!
Walter, This craziness is shocking to say the least, especially in Iowa. I think it is totally the Far Right TV pundits who are fanning the flames of descent and insiting normal people to acts of domestic terrorism. If it were Bush in power, he would have them beheaded. Why does Obama think that they will be reasonable when led by Rush Limbaugh?
Umbrella, You are right. Our civilization is not working on many many levels, and we are setting the reset button. There may come a time when the Rich can't buy their way out of it. I think that time is now.
Mr. Mustard, Yes, yes, yes. We desparately need reform. I pray our elected officials have the courage to do the right thing and not cave-in to special interests.
Mical, I do still have hope, too. But only if the rest of us can be heard over the Right-wing's shouting!
Lea, Just hearing from the people here on OS gives me hope for the future of this nation, and this world. Thank you for caring.
Steve, Thanks for the link to the Gazette article. Yep, the little altercation was mine. Not so famous, but that's fine. Ouch.
Ric, I have no doubt Loud Mouth is very proud of himself. He couldn't hold back his self-satisfied smile as he returned to his heckling. I'm afraid chivalry is a thing of the past, at least for this man.
Fab...maybe if we say it enough, it will happen....care for all, care for all, care for all, care for all.
GracieLou. Definately the mob mentality at work. My friend, Tom, sitting 3 rows behind me, who is a Green Party activist said that the woman next to him said that she was scared. He said to her, "I am too." What kind of a "meeting" is it when the people attending are scared by the violence of the crowd---in Iowa, no less.
Thank you again for the love and support. It helps so much! Carol
Sorry Carol. Thanks for alerting me to this post.
denese
Rated.
If you want to be involved in a peaceful protest next week when Senator Grassley attends the state fair, let me know, I can hook you up. It's being organized by several groups throughout Iowa. I think there are buses coming from Davenport and Iowa City or CR.
I sincerely respect your passion for this, Carol. It's been a brutal week here and all over the country on HCR.
You know my situation; 27 years old, relatively healthy, got some blood pressure problem and passed out at work twice so ended up having to spend the night in the hospital. I didn't go in the ambulance despite lots of pressure from the boss to avoid that bill, but even WITH health insurance, making $19K a year and one night in the hospital with tests and I have been trying to pay off nearly $4,000 in medical bills a year later. The system sucks, God and Obama help me!
Love you Mom!
What I find really interesting in all of this is that had this been the Bush administration, no one with a dissenting view would have been able to get near the place. Every time someone tried to protest anything Bush, they were whisked away. But not right wingers. They spew and disrupt all they want unfettered and cry foul when called on their bullshit.
They are pro-insurance companies. They want accountants to be able to deny your claims. They want you dead. It's that simple.
rtd for you
I made a simple comment the other day responding to a right wing person, and boy did the right wing flock to me! Our discussion went on and on ....but at least there was no name flinging or hate flinging....just a lot of misunderstanding and fear.
You actually went, for which you have my admiration. Though you came pretty close to having to kick ass, it's great you didn't actually have to; that kind of thing is best left to Union Thug. Way to go Carol:)
I'm proud, you are the woman that was "kicked by a fella" :)
I also think that Town Halls are often populated by whack jobs and loud mouths. We have to communicate directly with our elect officials, and email works and are tallied in Congressional offices.
It's insane that you had to experience fear and be injured at a town hall meeting about HEALTH CARE.
I'm a little blue this evening, but still hopeful that somehow something will change, maybe enough to promote more change....
Thank you for standing up for me with your voice and actions. You are amazing!
(I live in Mass., where we HAVE to have insurance, and some of what'ts happened here has been used as a model for some of the legislation. I may have mentioned this on your blog before. The point being - there were no town meetings around here, probably because our state system is already so different!)
I just sent you an email about the Grassley event this Friday at the state fair.
Hope you can make it!
I see this so much. People think that because they are charitable and help people, then EVERYONE else does. This is not so. Because a few doctors are able to give, doesn't mean all can or do. Most people do get stuck.
You are so right that there is a lot of shouting, but not much getting done. Am I crazy to think that corporations love the shouting on both sides, because they can divide and conquer?
I am glad that so many people asked you if you needed help. There are human beings under all this.
You are right about so many things. I think, overall, those meetings aren't constructive except for form's sake, so we can say, "If this were really a dictatorship, then they wouldn't let you show your ___ at a meeting." No one learns.