I search every day for new blogs to read and subscribe to. So far, I've found about a dozen on Wordpress where I maintain another blog, like this one, written by a South African woman in London, or this one, written by a young Scottish woman, or this, by a woman whose wit and charm never fail to amuse.
My list of OS favorites, luckily, is fairly long.
But, to my disappointment, too much of the time I come up empty-handed.
As a career journalist and author of two well-reviewed non-fiction books, I'm really fussy. My attention is already thinly sliced between three newspapers a day, two or three books at a time, magazines, BBC, NPR and life.
For me to devote further attention to your work, I need, and must have, a powerful reason to give you -- not them -- my most precious resource.
My time.
This is why so few are capturing me:
The blog is too personal. If I can't tell, within one or two sentences, what you're talking about, I'm gone.
It is riddled with spelling mistakes or bad grammar. I have no time to read material you didn't take time to clean up.
It's boring. Just because you saw or felt something doesn't make it interesting. Writing about it well makes it interesting to others.
It's unoriginal. There's little new any of us have to say. So it's how we say it that will intrigue readers and keep them returning.
It never goes meta. I admit it, I'm a big fan of meta posts -- posts about blogging. Because they are really posts about what we think and when and why, that question the very reason any of us are behaving as we do. Which is why I read this blog.
Your fans are too gushy. I read comments carefully, sometimes hundreds of them, to see who's reading your blog. If all they do is praise you -- never really conversing about your material or challenging your assumptions, even politely -- it's a fan club. Which is lovely, but not compelling enough for me to keep returning.
You're playing it safe. The whole point of blogging, which is why so many people don't reveal their true identities, is to say something loudly and proudly -- or poetically and beautifully. Often, to be protected from vitriol or your loved ones' hurt feelings, in a voice that is not yours. Yet if, even behind a pseudonym, you're not really saying something thoughtful and provocative, why bother?
No one wants to read the private meanderings that really belong in your journal. No, they don't.
You're not funny. If you can make me laugh, I'm yours for life. Seriously!
You fail to move me. If your blog is focused on personal material, I want you to make me feel something -- how sad you are, how thrilled you felt when. Make me laugh or cry or get angry!
The reason, we journos are told, that our business is dying is because blogging is so lively and engaging, able to veer far away from the bloodless "objectivity" that North American newspapers still require of their writers. But great print writers are great print writers because they never consider writing quick or easy. They revise and revise and revise -- and must always meet the pre-publication demands of multiple, fussy editors.
You don't revise or edit your work. How often do you bang it out, in an urgent frenzy to share your views with the world, and hit "publish" right away? If this is your automatic habit, time to re-think. Very few pieces cannot benefit from a cooling-off phase, even a few hours' worth, in which you'll return to find several ways to make it tighter and stronger.
You spend too much time throat-clearing. Just say it! Television news stories, which I've written for a living, are rarely more than three or four sentences, read aloud within 30, 60 or 90 seconds.
You fail to punctuate or break up your copy. When I see a blog that goes onandonandoandonandon without a single line break, or paragraphs, or sub-head, I'm gone. Who listens to a monologue? A blog that fails to factor in my attention span and willingness and ability to slog through reams of material, with no thought as to how to move me through it gracefully, is not being written for me, the reader, but for you, the blogger. We are your audience. Treat us with respect.
You never use visuals. A sea of words is tedious and lacks imagination. Some of the most powerful pieces I've ever seen on blogs are visual, whether a drawing (like the insanely, and deservedly, popular Hyperbole and a Half), photo or illustration.
You never link to anyone else's work or ideas. No one is that fascinating. Show me who else you enjoy and are finding worth your time and attention. I want to see how your mind works, not just what you have to say.
You think the medium is cool enough on its own. Not for me. I come from the media of print, having worked for three major daily newspapers, The Globe and Mail, Gazette and the NY Daily News. I was an editor at four monthly magazines, three of them focused on news. All of which demanded a careful selection of ideas, visuals and design. Every journalist I have ever met is acutely aware of one thing -- intense and growing competition for their work. It has to be amazing, or as as close as we can get, to win your attention.
I expect no less from your blog.
What are you loving (or hating) about the blogs you find?


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I treasure originality and wit, and hope to occasionally achieve it myself.
I dislike posts which are derivative, yet also detest narcissism.
I do not read blogs for news, but enjoy analysis or thoughtful perspectives.
I do know this is a provocative post and not the usual "hugs and kisses" kind OS is more accustomed to. I love some of the writers here, or would not stick around -- my list of favorites makes clear who they are -- but I don't assume my personal tastes are all yours.
The basics are the basics. The single biggest problem with blogs is that they have no editors -- beyond the people who write them. As much it allows amazing stuff to appear, it also allows total crap to spill all over the place. There is a fantasy that "to be edited" = "to be stifled."
My new book required a significant rewrite, twice, of 10 (of 12 chapters.) That most certainly disabused me of any idea that my writing -- unpolished -- is so great. Maybe yours is!
I like reading your opinions that have to do with our craft, although I have to admit I am very far behind on your posts (I hope to catch up as best I can). I agree with much of this.
I think a writer needs to think about how the language reflects our habit of speech. I see a great deal of familiar "turns of phrase" and trite use of sentence formulation. Euphanisms are rampant, when it is really not that difficult to rethink an idea, and form it into a sentence structure that is original, and yes...poetic. Originality in the voice gets the reader's attention. I am most guilty of too long a lead in for this venue, and I am trying to trim down my tendency to over-poeticize. Readers here want to get to the meat of the story.
I also think it is important to not over-describe anything in the body of a piece...leave some things to the imaginative inclinations of the reader. They love to complete things sometimes, or at least form their own mental images and theories.
Best wishes to you Caitlin!
And so it goes...
Since I have no formal training as a writer, and I just operate mostly by instinct, it is good to know what other people look for. Because, honestly, I make those judgments myself every day.
I can be incredibly long-winded, and have published too soon many times, so I'll keep this list in mind.
With them, "it's always, mememememememememe all the time".
I've recently discovered this site, still trying to read into the dynamics of the community here. (Sometimes the magic works and sometimes it doesn't.) I'm glad to see an advocate here of adding links to posts... I see them so rarely if ever in any of the blogs here, I was beginning to wonder.
RE: visuals and design: would love to see OS offer more variety and options in layout, font selection, etc. Even Google's Blogger does a better job in this regard.
I think the trick is for us to peacefully co-exist here -- which we do for the most part. Anyone can post and comment here, and everyone can look around and find what pleases and simply ignore what doesn't. That's the beauty of OS. There's no need to criticize each other's choices, whatever they are.
Maybe it has to do with the old adage, "better to be thought a fool and say nothing, than to speak and remove all doubt."
I especially don't think a whole lot of visuals are necessary and sometimes I find it annoying when random clip art is interspersed among the text just to break it up. I'm a fairly literate person, I can read long blocks of uninterrupted text and I do it often. Paragraph breaks are essential and punctuation.
You cleared up for my why I make long comments so often and post so rarely. Comments come off the top of my head but posts I try to edit thoroughly. I think I'd want to be able to present twice as much in a post as I do in even my longest comments. Something for me to think about.
With all that, not everyone likes all the same thing.
I'm not challenging your criteria. What you say about writing a blog or anything else is reasonable and truth be told, I don't disagree. I just hate the tone of this AND the title. You've succeeded in being provocative, smug and superior towards "the little people" who people this place.
We all have tastes and criteria and favorites and nonfavorites and friends and enemies. It goes with this claustrophoebic, incestuous social network we have at our fingertips. There are better and lesser writers, some utilizing the rules of the game, and some create their own. My criteria is that sometimes creation is about changing the rules to suit yourself and/or your need to express something, anything. And sometimes it's about anarchy and disturbances in the force and bad grammar and lousy spelling and pure heart and soul and energy and truth.
Your............. I have written two countem two WELL RECEIVED non fiction books that had to be rewritten and that is sooooooo tedious (for such a busy busy person such as myself who reads everything bar nothing worth reading, which I'm afraid doesn't include you and you and you). And by the way in case you haven't noticed I am just the cat's fussy fucking meow because..........
" I write for The New York Times, Fortune.com, The Wall Street Journal, USA Today and others. My second book is "Malled: My Unintentional Career in Retail" (Portfolio, April 14, 2011) and my first -- called "groundbreaking and invaluable" -- is "Blown Away: American Women and Guns" (Pocket Books, 2004.) I also blog at http://broadsideblog.wordpress.com. You can find my resume, some of my magazine and newspaper writing, and my writing tips, at http://caitlinkelly.com"
Don't mind me. I'm just a foolish fucking monkey who happened on this and got my panties twisted in a knot. Carry on.
Great piece, one 99.99999% of bloggers can learn from, including me. I get especially sick of the playing it safe business.
Erica
As for comments, they are always gushy. OS comments are quid pro quo -- you say something nice, they'll say something nice. Dumb yes, but part of the game.
However. I find that your blogs rarely use visuals. They are never funny. And, many of your blogs (this one included) seem to be directed partly toward self-promotion. I can get your credits from your bio, so I don't really need to get recaps. Moreover, your lead paragraph is so clumsily written, I had to read it three times. Needed a rewrite.
This has nothing to do with the quality of the writing. There are bloggers here who are gushed over that I read frequently (like Ann Nichols and Joan H), and there are bloggers who are gushed over that I can't stand (I won't name anyone). It has nothing to do with the content of the comments but the content of the post. (In fact, I rarely read the comments.) For the record, I write exactly what I want to write, for my own amusement, and if readers gush or get angry - they've done both - that's their business, not mine.
That said, many of the other points are valid, but my tolerance may differ from yours. Frequent misspellings and incorrect grammar bother me - they can often be corrected with a spell checker, people! - but I'm willing to overlook that if the writer's words have passion behind it. One of the best, most moving posts I've ever read here was grammatically sloppy but the emotion was so raw that I was moved. I don't expect this place to be The New Yorker.
I agree with David Price's comment that the PC here can be stifling. Particularly with political posts, the range of opinions can be pretty narrow, and people here can get upset about the mildest of disagreements. I generally avoid posts that seem to be preaching to the choir, and would rather read one that says, "Let's look at this from another angle."
Also, I love gushing comments, well done argument, or informative comments and work hard to get them. That's why I bother to come here and to write for free.
There are too many uses of the logical fallacy "appeal to authority" in this post. Readers do not have to get the writer's resume every few sentences and will come to their own conclusions about the authors qualifications.
"I" and "me" statements are frowned upon. Objective neutrality and absence of self promotion is called for.
Some of the "advice" in this post is not really advice. There are many personal preferences in this article that are fine to have, but they should be separated and not mixed in with content that is pushed as advice.
I agree with that Blumenthal fellow. This needs a rewrite.
This has absolutely nothing to do with my lack of intelligence.
If I find that a blogger censors the comments, I'll leave and not go back due to the blogger having a control freak type of agenda.
Censorship is a big one for me so, that would be one of the top reasons I don't read some blogs.
Oh hell, I'll quit beating around the bush. Caitlin, I found this post to be condescending.
Nuff said. Hope you like my paragraph breaks. That's one thing I learned taking a few journalism classes years ago.
Others have used the word condescension here. I would suggest the need for a little humility.
The one thing that just doesn't seem to work for me in this medium is fiction. I am working on figuring out why. Maybe I'll make a meta post when I do!
Hyperbole & a Half is the best blog on the internet.
I have no interest in reading posts which, written to maximize the appeal to the unwashed masses, lose any specific interest to me, an uncommon denominator.
I enjoy reading (well-written) material that the writer was passionate about, even if it was a recipe..and if that makes me "too plebeian/unprofessional" good!
I'll keep singing!
I hope this isn't too gushy for you.
Lezlie
Although, if you want to be gracious, you can just think of me as the guy who puts the "s" in "journalist" and takes the "l" out of journalling.
settle down
see blog title
caitlin's blog is a spear seeking an army to release her into the great battle.
we are the army.
who has the launch codes?
Trilogy Responds: "Which is why I will no longer read yours"
I think you just shot yourself in the foot here.
When I have more time, I meander about, and look for more good reading. I don't discuss politics very often anymore, which is how I found this place in July 2008, although that may change.
When meandering, two things that turn me off to new writers quickly are bad grammar/spelling and posts that are too long. Now, some bloggers here that do not have the best grammar and spelling are among my favorites because of their unique point of view and interesting life stories. Some very long posts are perfectly fine too, but not most. I also check to see if the author is responding to comments, especially if they are new to me.
I like your blog for all the right reasons. I didn't realize I had not added you to my favorites. I enjoy hearing an experienced professional's take on the industry as well as the craft.
This post:
"As a career journalist and author of two well-reviewed non-fiction books, I'm really fussy. My attention is already thinly sliced between three newspapers a day, two or three books at a time, magazines, BBC, NPR and life."
"...having worked for three major daily newspapers, The Globe and Mail, Gazette and the NY Daily News. I was an editor at four monthly magazines, three of them focused on news."
Jan 17
"I worked retail from 2007-2009, the subject of my forthcoming book, "Malled: My Unintentional Career in Retail" (Portfolio, April 2011)."
Jan 16
"I think about this a lot, maybe because I write for a living as a journalist and non-fiction author. I like to think my work will live on for decades or more."
Jan 12
"I was interviewed for two videos yesterday and, totally by chance, by a reporter from Women's Wear Daily as I sat in a hallway."
Jan 4
"The Times, where I have freelanced for 20 years..."
Dec 28
"As we head into 2011 -- and the publication of my second book, "Malled; My Unintentional Career in Retail" (Portfolio, April 2011)"
Nov 3
"I had been endlessly rewriting a major magazine story when I was asked to go out and cover a speech by Anita Hill for The New York Times, for whom I've been freelancing for 20 years."
Oct 31
"My brain is frazzled and fried: finishing up the final revisions of my memoir; blogging for four sites; planning events for the book's release next spring.."
Oct 26
"It covers my new book, "Malled: My Unintentional Career in Retail" (Penguin/Portfolio, April 14, 2011) and freelancing for print and blogging for this site."
Oct 23
"...my agent, is just back from the Frankfurt Book Fair (where a publisher overseas already wants my book!)"
Oct 11
"I heard an author interviewed on the radio recently who is also published by Penguin/Portfolio, who will issue my new memoir, "Malled: My Unintentional Career in Retail" on April 14, 2011.."
15 Reasons Caitlin Should Read My Blog!
(Barks joyously)
*YELLP*
"How to promote your book on OS.
Sell your book on OS. And have people write rave reviews for you"
You were supposed to wait until AFTER the book came out, to slam OS and it's members.... Oops...
However, you do have the "threatening to leave" while hanging around part, down pat.
You may have grand knowledge but you are a very poor teacher. Why would I want to learn from someone with such a superiority complex? You could have taken the time and energy to get the points across with some visuals, a bit of humor, and examples. Instead, you listed them. Boring!
You had four links in your lead paragraph which is absurd. Let's see if I understand your thinking. I am reading and follow the first link, read a couple more words and go to the second link, and the same for the third and fourth. If I had done so, I would have been dizzy. Then, I am given the luxury of two full sentences before you present me with another link, this one all about how fabulous you are. Seriously, do you think anyone followed those links? If you think so you are delusional. If you admit that few did use them, then how do you rationalize putting them in at all? Why not at the end of the article?
Some of you pros do not get it. These are blogs not literary masterpieces. You are demanding that bloggers adhere to your world of writing because your world is superior. Give me an article with some entertainment and emotion even with a couple of mechanical errors over the sterile, unimaginative, yet mechanical perfect any day. The haughty assumption that less evolved people actually post things with errors because they don't care is too judgmental for me. How do you know that? Perhaps they missed some errors after several reads. It happens to all writers. Nobody is getting paid here. You taught me nothing.
Thanks Dr. Spuds... Yes, I 'll be posting soon. I know, you're excited. Me too!
Professional writers have people paid to assist them.
Unless you are doing this in a writing group, there are bound to be errors at a higher rate, because no one can see all of their own errors, because your mind is so wrapped up in what you are doing.
Ideas matter too. The people running this country managed to fail to understand that real estate was going to implode, even though the less popular 20 per cent of economists were screaming out about it. With troop leves in Iraq, the same thing. So careful about trying to squash things I would say, because the idea you don't crush by being a nitpicker might be the one you want someday.
Finally, Mr. Reynolds stood up, walked over and let go with a powerful right sock to the man's jaw toppling him from his bar stool.
It was only then that Mr. Reynolds noticed that the man had no legs. From his vantage point, he had not seen that the man was physically impaired or noticed the wheelchair propped against the wall behind him.
My point? It is very dangerous to believe you know everything and even more so to act upon it with unbridled conviction. People who are already hurting can be further wounded.
This isn't The New York Times, Fortune or The Wall Street Journal.
NO ONE should be made to feel "less than" for their efforts. Many of your 'opinions' are legitimate and valuable and would be worth considering IF this were a venue whose purpose was to cultivate literary excellence and IF they were delivered without pretension and hubris. While excellence in writing is an option, it is not necessarily a goal for everyone and certainly not mandatory.
For many blogging is a way to vent in the hope that someone might hear them and help them safely hobble home to bed. Who are you to knock them down? Who are any of us?
I'll take compassion over credentials any day.
Just sayin'.
rated with love
Tell me a good story. If you're going to give me nothing more than a list--10 great beaches, 15 ways to a healthy heart, 15 ways to a better blog-- make it interesting, sell me. Do not lecture me. Many, perhaps all, of these 15 pieces of advice are legit, it's the voice and attitude that rankle, with the result that the message enters the subduction zone of an overbearing ego and slides underneath, lost forever.
We met through OS Caitlin. Bet you didn't know that. Of course not. Why would you?
Let me tell you, there is no one who publishes at OS that exceeds her in talent, yourself included. Forget talent though. She has a deep humility and sense of compassion that you do not. Sorry for making assumptions. Consider it an observation.
I'm going to assume that, hmm, there is some deep seated need that you have; that you published this for reasons you weren't exactly sure of. The reason that the fates 'made you do it?' To learn how to quit being such a prideful, stuck up... person.
Forgot to say earlier, thank to Matt for the shout. While 2/3 of my blog is pretty much worthless even by my own low standards, another 1/3.. ok, a quarter..... maybe 3/16ths, damn, has some kind of value. Even I, an ignorant, under-educated hick, have impacted people's lives, internationally even. Go figure the value of that.
Agree 100% about Susan.
I also think you undervalue your own blog, which is full of humor and personality, two of the most valuable assets for a blog.
@ Cranky....forget the Kleenex....an entire roll of toilet paper might not be enough..... Thanks awfully.....
I hope you boys have taken your meds today:)
That said, I've enjoyed reading you sporadically and think you have been unfairly vilified here. Firstly, most blogs are about self-promotion in one way or another. Perhaps some others here would be plugging their published work too if they were in the same position. Secondly, if you're bold enough to state your opinion so candidly, even though it is sure to rankle the masses...well, I give you thumbs up on that score.
The best thing about this post for me, was finding "SnippyThe Grammar Dog!" And...(never start a sentence with and)...the numerous thoughtful and thought provoking comments left by so many of my favorites here; so deliciously entertaining.
A special shout out to 1_Irritated_Mother who cracked me up after I started to feel the wrath of inferiority enfold me...
Loving : Brevity, beauty - mainly beauty.
Hating : Being told what to expect. I prefer surprises.
I am planning on buying your new book, just as I did when Lea's son launched his book and as I did when Matt Paust self-published. I suspect many people from OS will buy your book and support you. I read Dave Cullen and John Blumenthal before I met them, and it is very exciting to own their books. I'm sure there are others I'm forgetting.
Here is what I can't figure out. When you have these wonderful credentials why do you feel the need to put people down? Do you want to provoke that kind of reaction? It seems that you do.
Of course as writers we are all insecure, so why can't you write in a way on OS that encourages rather than discourages. I don't think speaking out of turn when I read the comments. People are offended.
Although I had a thirty year hiatus from the newspaper business, I had a succesful career in healthcare marketing I am now able through my blessings to semi-retire and again write. While I'm basically still wet behind the years, I did learn in my former life that encouragement is the fuel of successful human interaction in most cases.
Why I am telling you all this is because Open Salon and encouraging people have helped me step up and step out. I hope I am getting better every day. I try to encourage others by sometimes sending them a note or tipping an editor to a link. I am amazed at what people do on this site to go out of their way for others, many of whom are in trying personal circumstances.
I know you have had difficulty with long-distance caregiving, and so you may have circumstances that we don't know about.
My work will never appear in New York Times, I am aware to quote another blogger on OS that it is "light, bright, and trite." However, it is what I want to write and I'm getting paid for most of it.
The OS public, including me, appreciates your efforts but not delivered with such disdain.
Thanks for the shout-out. However, since I strive for accuracy, I must offer a correction.
In keeping with the example set by Caitlin ... I've written more than nine-hundred songs and appeared with Willie Nelson, and I received a scholarship to Michigan State University based on my brilliant mind and my considerable talents as a writer, and I've written for several newspapers and magazines, and I've written two books, one of which is actually in print -- but I am not technically a published author -- at least according to some snot-nosed critics on OS, since my book The Disappearing Cemetery (not available from the greedy bastards at Amazon) was semi-self-published.
For the gruesome details of my abject failure, please follow this link:
The Joy of Masturbation
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As for this post...I will revert to my first expressive artform. Sorry you can't see my gestures.
I'm quitting now. There are so damned many good writers and poets here it really isn't fair to single some out when they all should be named. What I've listed is just a start - and remember, only the ones I know of who aren't published. We start on that list and...well, you know.
As one of my alltime favorite writers anywhere says, good night and have a better tomorrow.
But of course actually being helpful would have taken away from your self-aggrandizing smug sense of superiority.
Good luck to you!
(getting serious for a moment) For me, and probably for many OSers, this has just been a fun exercise in bandying about witticisms. Some more successfully than others! I would be very sorry if Caitlin took this as more than that. And really, I doubt that she will--she is an excellent provocateur, a vital skill for a writer who wants to be read. Caitlin, you've stimulated many conversations here today, on this blog and elsewhere--well done! My particular post was just a bunch of nonsense, but any time people are spurred to think about why they write and how to achieve those goals, that's a plus.
(Okay, back to silly mode.)
"Everyone has their right to an opinion and an ego... It reminds me why I left.
Left?
As to the General, she fired an unprovoked shot over my bow. I had no choice but to reciprocate. Besides, I've always identified with the enlisted ranks.
Then there's Emma 2, whose humor deficit marks her as most definitely a chip off the old Emma. Forgotten anyone? Anyone???
Ah, 'tis almost old home week.
Bad writing--especially if the writer is a self-proclaimed "editor" or "writer" invites fair rebuke. Comes with the turf. But Caitlin’s writing is no longer the issue here, it’s her attitude, which many, myself included, found pedantic. That said, she had the audacity of hope to go public with her opinions, many of which are valid. The criticism here has now taken a turn for the ugly (not including Drew-Silla’as inspired response, which Caitlin must know comes with the territory). I’m finding myself now one with Bluestocking and Emma Peel: Criticize the message, and/or the attitude, but don’t pile on about who you think the “person” is. It demeans you, and adds nothing to the discussion.
EWWWW! I sincerely hope I never make you laugh. SERIOUSLY!
And to answer your question Caitlin, I expect many of the same thing you do from blogs I read regularly, but I gave up on writing about writing at OS a long time ago. It's a surefire way to get the pitchfork and torch crowd riled up since any attempts to share professional experience here are inevitably met with the "condescension" label and quickly followed by personal insults and the ubiquitous "professionals only write boring stuff" shtick. I prefer to share my knowledge with people who appreciate it and/or pay for it. They seem to like it.
And, Emma, when have you ever exhibited humor here, on anything?
@Matt: I haven't been a "girl" in a quite some time, but thanks for the condescension.
I'm a writer. I tell the reader this in the hope they will therefore expect to read high quality writing, entertaining and stimulating. As far as one's 'credentials' go, I don't think they mean anything, except if you're writing a guide to getting published, or something specific to do with the industry. Otherwise when it comes to any kind of art or writing the proof of the pudding is in the eating. I hate Henry James, for eg. When I tell people this they invariably exclaim in horror. 'But he's wonderful!' Not to me he's not.
Meta anything makes me wary. It so quickly becomes boring. Like irony.
Finally, I think the reason blogging is beating journalism is because at a certain point in the late 80s news organisations gave up on being investigative or original and started acting like the hired fools of the oligarchy. Clinton impeachment anyone? It didn't seem to matter to that they were completely out of touch, completely in consensus with one another and deaf and dumb to the ideas or facts coming from anywhere else. Perhaps this is somehow connected to the fact that the pay for journalists fell to somewhere between 20 and 50K below an entry level PR or lobbying job .... what I'm saying is ... the talent went elsewhere.
Blogging's great because it's back to where newspapers used to be in the 18th century. A cacophany of competing voices, leaving the reader to decide who was talented, who they believed in, who they would follow. I welcome it.
Interesting that so many people are so angry and disgusted -- and rated this piece so highly.
Hi Caitlin, we haven't been properly introduced. I'm Larry.
Interesting that so many people are so angry and disgusted -- and rated this piece so highly."
25 ratings is high? Ask Larry Lauerman, constructor of non-ad-adsense cabin if that's high Caitlin. As you say, there's always the "GUSHY."
Larry.. tell me true, is Caitlin Dr. Amy in disguise? If not, you couldn't tell by me.
I think maybe the problem is at least partly due to your vivid, attention-grabbing writing, but which was unintentionally sticking it to people. The accusatory "YOU" fail, "YOU" never... If you had started out with your perfectly reasonable and inviting final line - What are you loving (or hating) about the blogs you find? - that would have set a different tone, one that wouldn't have rubbed people the wrong way. (I'm sorry, I can't help myself from using these cliches...) But instead you started out by saying "too much of the time I come up empty-handed" and that bit about giving readers your precious time. I mean, like the rest of us are screwing the pooch ... well, actually, a lot of us are.
And maybe if the list didn't feature all those "YOU"s. Instead, "I". I too don't like a lot of the things you list.
Or even the dreaded passive voice could have been used - "Never using visuals is a bore", yah know.
It could have produced a rather interesting discussion, perfectly amiable, about what we like and don't like, hopefully acknowledging that much of it depends on taste......people keep telling me parsnips are wonderful, but I hate them anyway. Ditto those obnoxious little green balls known as Brussels sprouts.
Some of the other stuff could have been an impersonal set of tips - keep it brief, spell-check, whatever.
Anyway, that's my take - and it did inspire (along with some grumpy comments directed at you) some silliness, as in the mock posts, to entertain those of us with too much time on our hands. So we screwed the poor YELPing pooch instead of meditating on how to improve our prose. And make it like pros' prose. Our loss...
*YELLP*
Cailtin has certain standards in what she desires in a blog. Many think these standards are pretentious or unrealistic. Furthermore, she touts her credentials and promotes her work. Then it's the pile-on.
I often enjoy Caitlin's posts. I commented on some of them but after never getting a response I ceased. My own blog is probably guilty of at least several of the qualities Caitlin eschews. No big deal for me. And I sympathize with the main critique of many of the posts. Buy what the hell? Caitlin states her preferences. Many of us share them except we might have worded them differently. Caitlin frequently touts her credentials. That's bound to put off many os us uncredentialed. If I had any I'm not sure how i'd treat them.
I lean to Emma2's position. Caitlin writes for herself and has plenty of favorites here. She's candid in describing her positions. I like several of her posts but I'm certain I'd be viewed as wanting in many areas if we knew each other personally. So I probably wouldn't like her much. But don't some of you think the reaction has been a little excessive? One man's reaction after a long stay at the office and a night on the town.
Re walnuts: yes. Surprisingly delicious, also with goats cheese and pear slices in a green salad. Toasted walnuts are even better ...
Abra - I like your POV. The pile on was amazing, but then again, Caitlin has had 2000 views so far. I remember reading advice once about blogging and the first rule was Be Controversial.
Speaking for myself, my posts run the gamut from intensely personal to the ridiculous. I've not seen any comment from you on any of the posts there so I wonder how you justify your position that "all" are less than worthy of your attention?
Visuals may have a place in some work, the illustrations in "War and Peace" leap to mind. Grammar? Punctuation? Well of course there was the masterful punctuation that made Kerouac's "On the Road" a masterpiece, and we must not forget the work of Allen Ginsburg another bastion of punctuation.
Ultimately, what I see here is that you are credentialed by your work and seem to seek that from others here by your arrogant telling off of those who are writing for the sake of writing. Don't get me wrong either, I am really not trying to totally disagree with many of your points. What I do here is paint with words and my grammar, my composition, my punctuation, and even the occasional misspelling, are not signs of my lack of skill (though such skills may indeed be lacking) they represent my own way of interpreting a scene or situation.
One last thing and I'll go, as for plagiarism, There are only so many words and phrases and to paint all repetitions of such as attempts to steal from others, I submit that this is rarely the case. In many cases, only a particular word or phrase will suit the work in question. Do you suggest that in that case I abandon a project since someone else may have used those words before? That I am an unwitting plagiarist simply for using a set of words that may appear elsewhere no matter how obscure the source?
I will not alter my work to suit anyone but myself and if that excludes you from reading it then okay. No one would presume to tell an artist how to show his subject and I cannot accept that for myself. I am constantly working on the technical aspects of writing. I intend to fix inadvertent errors as I find them, but this is not an indication of bowing to anyones ideas but my own.
standing firm with Diana and Hera
to fight a horde of shrieking harpies
who thirst for grapes of Dionysus
at wild apocalypse of Elysian Fields.
1) If you find the tone or content so deeply offensive here, why waste so much energy visiting or commenting?
2) Clamoring self-righteously that my blog is filled with "self-promotion" is one of the funniest things I've ever read. Every single comment here, many of them quite personally vicious or simply sucking up bandwidth in a pissing contest, is a promotion of your "self", as are every single one of your blog posts, here and elsewhere. And so fascinating a revelation of true character!
People on OS write about death, dying, addiction, rape....every word chosen for publication here to a mass audience is a deliberate choice to promote one's "self". It is a very deliberate selection of self-presentation and self-promotion. Every single post by every single blogger every single day is a form of self-promotion.
That my "self-promotion" is attached to the commercial products of several books seems to be a point of tremendous contention. So, in fact, are the blogs of many others at OS -- I can think of more than five, none of whom I'll name. If it so annoys people that I write for a living, and I discuss it, move on!
3) To label someone whose thinking and style of expression you find offensive as: scathing, rude arrogant, demeaning, condescending, nasty....is very revealing of the character of those who choose such language. Reaction to this post -- simply an opinion, like thousands of others at OS, to be taken or left, read or not -- has risen (or fallen) to a level of hysteria and personal attack that is highly instructive about OS and what its bloggers demand and expect.
annoyance, slinking off and insecurity are not the blogging experience I seek ( number 41 on my unpublished list of things that make me read a blog as they do please my many strange senses.(copyright 2006).
Today. Whoa! So many cool or fascinating comments.
It inspired the kind of cool response where you really get to see the nature of the OS community as a whole. And, in my opinion, the whole is beautiful.
That's the lemonade I tried, at least, to make from this lemon of a post.
@Fernsy, good to see you. Hope things are going well for you. I miss your feisty yet warm and entertaining posts.
@Dee, you are kidding, aren't you? I instructed my alter ego to make sure you made the list, right up there with Snippy, OE and Cindy Ross. If Clark dropped the ball he's in for one nasty buttkicking. I'm scrolling up right now to check...
You are no 1 on my list, dear.
@Mattsy: I've always thought you the king of OS. Glad to see that I am not alone.
You keep bringing up the fact that you are a journalist and that you have published books. Good for you. However, I did a search on Amazon and noticed that you have only two books. One was published in 2004 and the other will be released in April of this year.
How well did your first book do? How many sales did it generate? It only has 8 reviews and most of them seem to be gushing reviews which leads me to think they were written by your friends and family and by you using a fake name.
I bring this up because if your were a well-known writer or successful writer (like Atwood or King), I could see the value in this post, but you are not. So please stop preaching from the Mount.
BTW, was this post just a cheap PR ploy? As in create a dust-up to gather hits and eyeballs so your name and post will show up in searches just as your book nears publication.
You seem to be particularly defensive about the self-promotion accusations and, since I participated in that, let me be clear:
Writing about one's "self" and "self-promotion" are not the same thing. People who write posts about experiences etc. are not promoting themselves. I fail to see how writing about, say, coping with a disease is self-promoting.
If the subject of your post is actually about your work for the Times or about your new book or hinges on either, obviously you have to mention that. But in your case, you seem to throw your creds in gratuitously.
If your work is pertinent to a post, or if your post is clearly meant to promote your work, that's different, I suppose. But nobody's fooled when you write posts about something that has absolutely nothing to do with your upcoming book and then continuously mention your upcoming book.
Sound familiar?
http://open.salon.com/blog/rjheart/2011/01/23/my_life_is_nothing_but_a_work_in_progress_open_call
There is much talent in this sand box Caitlin. I second Joe Bono's question. Your 2004 book has eight reviews? How many sold? Even it's more than a few, does that make you somehow better than us amateurs? My guess is that your own insecurities require you to self-aggrandize here with the peon writers.
I came back, because I wondered what your response might be, as many will. I wondered if you might say something like, “oooops, I goofed up”, or “I seem to have misjudged”, or “I woke up crabby, and wanted to bite something”, or “you guys are funnier and smarter than I thought”, then added a few to your favorites, or jumped in the mud and poked a little fun at yourself. It seems that in spite of your smarts, you're blind to the power of a different kind of comment, or recognize the extraordinary in the ordinary, or the delight of being same as everybody else. Not surprisingly I guess, you missed the point of the melee. It ceased to be be about you somewhere around comment number ten.
One last thing. I hope you might reconsider your assumption that others here lack your impressive credentials. You’d be surprised.
You are a professional writer with a lot to offer here. A post in which you articulate what you like and look for in a blog would be instructive and useful.
Unfortunately you went the other way. You were clearly being antagonistic, which, I think, was a poor way to make your argument. Your argument is undercut because you failed to take into account your audience.
Now, no one is saying you shouldn't be antagonistic or provocative, and no one is saying you shouldn't promote your work or establish your bona fides. However you shouldn't be surprised that people take issue with your post when you were clearly talking down to them, using an acerbic tone to get your point across. All while constantly reminding people how super-awesome you are.
Again, I think the large negative response to this post is because you are a successful and professional writer who, if you so choose, could become an influential and valuable member on OS. Of course you don't owe the writers here anything, but if all you're going to do is take cynical and smug cheap shots at the hoi polloi then don't be surprised when you are taken to task. However unfair it all seems.
It seems I have really missed a lot of action here on OS lately, thanks to a relapse of my illness combined with a host of other issues over the last few weeks. I'm especially sorry I missed the kerfuffle yesterday as I was away all day at a writing workshop.
As a very new blogger and writer who would eventually like to be found worthy of publishing, I do take your very valid points. While I wasn't nearly as outraged reading this post as so many others, I must admit that I wonder where they came from. As I said, though, I've been away.
Though, I, personally, will take much of your advice to heart since I know I have a long way to go before I can ever be considered a really good writer, I can see why so many have reacted so passionately to your post. I believe that most people on OS who would like to see their work published in the "real world" probably already know most of what you have said here about spelling, grammar, editing, hooks etc. Many have probably invested time and money on writing courses and workshops.
Although I think much of what you say is worthwhile, and I, for one, will keep your points in mind whenever I write on OS, I think it's important to consider that not everyone writing and reading here is choosing OS for the same reasons. I only discovered OS quite by chance in October, and was thrilled to do so. Personally, I love that people here are supportive and encouraging of each other's work and experiences. I love that I can meet so many great people with similar -- as well as varied --interests, experiences and points of view. I love that OS is a place where people bare their souls and offer each other compassion. I love that not everyone here writes for the purpose of being published. And, while I love that I can find so many high caliber writers to learn from, I also love that not everyone here is a Pulitzer prize-winning writer.
Though I have written very little on OS, my time here has been a positive, life-changing experience for me. I hope I can continue to write and read and exchange comments with the wonderful people on OS without fear of being ridiculed for my writing, my views or my life.
I think many of us hope much the same.
The usual next step is you will beat your breast and say how we've besmirched you and that you are going to leave us forever.
If you would, please spare us the usual theatrics.
BTW, I don't really have a problem with any of the content of your post. I just think your arrogance and condescension is for effect and that personally you are a cunt.