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SEPTEMBER 4, 2008 11:41AM

Obama and O'Reilly: Will they tussle or tango?

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O'Reilly

This one gave me a bigger jolt than my gas station coffee, this morning.  Senator Obama will be on Bill O’Reilly’s show tonight at 20h00, right before Sen. McCain’s convention speech.

 

[pause for shocked breath intakes, shouted opinions & objections]

 

I’m not a fan of the Factor or the factotum of the “fair and balanced” set, but I do have a prediction.

 

I bet we’ll see Mr. O’Reilly on his best behaviour, this being a relative term.  I’m guessing that he’ll be doing a bit less sneering, a bit less interrupting and talking over, in dealing with Sen. Obama.  He’s shown a couple of times in the past that he can dial back the Bill-ness with a high-profile guest, even one who has been a frequent target of his wrath.

 

I’ll go so far as to take reasonable odds that this interview might see just a hint, a flash, a suggestion of respect from the host.

 

I expect some Democrats will cry “No, don’t do it, Barack!”, with concerns about legitimizing Mr. O’Reilly’s profile, or that the senator will be ambushed.  But I think it’s terrific.  It says Sen. Obama has no fear of lions, in their dens or anywhere else. 

 

The questions will be hard, and they will be the ones Sen. Obama least enjoys parrying.  And parry them he will, if he’s on his game.  This will be interesting, but the senator knows what he’s doing.  Both dancers know the steps and the tune for the odd cotillion tonight. 

 

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 Cam Battley lives quietly in rural Ontario, Canada.

 

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Bill, got a great Hillary spanking when she came on. This thing of not going on their shows makes them more powerful. Going on neutralizes them.
I agree completely. It's easy for a yell-fest host to be a bully-boy by using snatches of news and straw men and fun graphics... But when you come on their show, it's a lot harder to do so face-to-face.

Defuse them by facing them down.
Absolutely, Stellaa. Even if Obama doesn't change anyone's minds, it's one more inane complaint that the McCain campaign and their ilk have to think up.
I would hardly call Bill O'Lie-ly (sorry, couldn't resist, Al Franken fan...) a lion, Cam. A sorry-ass mewling kitten from a pampered home who likes to pretend he's an alley cat, maybe. But not a lion.

I am going to have to decide what I'm going to do about live-blogging tonight -- do I blog the Convention, or Obama?
Liz, that's a no-brainer (please use that last term as you wish).

You have to watch the O-O bout, then Sen. McCain's speech.
Liz, you are a multi-tasker. You can absolutely do both. You have a remote don't you? Make sure hubbie doesn't get it hands on it and you'll be fine.

I personally need you to do both--I have clients until 9:00 tonight and am missing everything.
Cam, when I heard that Barack was going to be on Bill O--I thought, "well good for him". I have no idea what to expect. I will DVR it for later viewing, although it may make it hard for me to sleep.

I don't know--I think you're being a little soft on Bill O, but we'll find out tonight.

Barack is going to be on Countdown with Keith Obermann on Monday night.
Mary, I'm not soft on Mr. O'Reilly. I watch his show occasionally, because I want to know what the angry right is jabbering about, and that's the best place on TV to peer into their world. What I do think is that he'll pull in his claws a bit, as he's done in the past on occasion (he was not his usual self with Sen. Clinton). And I think that Sen. Obama made the right call, deciding to do the show. Good for him.
Okay Cam, just checking. I have a very hard time watching him. It's like Ann Coulter. Normally I'm a very peaceful person, but watching them, I get these horrendous thoughts of violent acts running through my head.

I'm almost glad I have clients from 4:00-on tonight. My nervous system is getting worn out from all this. I'm heading to the mountains at noon tomorrow...but I'll still have wireless!

I'm glad you brought this to everyone's attention, and I hope Liz does do the live blogging on the O/O show.
Mary, not only will I be blogging O2, I have decided to bring home take out sushi from the place down the street from my job. Yes, you heard me. Iron Pundit vs. Iron Stomach: Sushi Edition.

I'm either really brave or tragically stupid. There is, of course, a possibility that I am both.
I hope that Bill does question Obama about the issues that the liberal media refuses to acknowledge. Though I suspect that he'll tone down as he did with Hillary.

But Cam - you are wrong about Obama's reason for being interviewed, dear...even his campaign manager admits the Thursday night slot is to steal the thunder from McCain's acceptance speech...besides, you can just about bet he's got conditions on the interview and will be prepped in advance. Obama would be to scared to come in like Sally Quinn and be questioned.
Leslie, you should know that I am easily charmed by being called "dear", typically when it comes from "une femme d'une certaine age". (I'm going to imagine that this describes you.) "Dear", from the right source, has a way of softening disagreement. [chuckle]

It wouldn't surprise me a bit if one of the reasons for Sen. Obama's decision to appear on the Factor tonight was to steal some of Sen. McCain's thunder. It's a fair strategy. And of course he'll be prepped in advance. I wouldn't let anyone, of any stripe, in any walk of life, ever speak to the media on an issue of substance, without being properly pepared. You don't go deep into the Yukon woods without being ready for bear.

I don't know about conditions on the interview, but I'd be interested to hear if there were any.

And I agree with your hope that Mr. O'Reilly asks the toughest questions he can think of, as long as he's polite about it. I just suspect that Sen. Obama is more than ready. He's become very good at what he does, over the past couple of years.

Thanks for commenting, Leslie, and come back and do it again, anytime!
Sorry about the use of dear, hon. *wink* Actually, I'm too young to be calling anyone around here "dear". Thanks for the kind response and welcome.
I'm old enough to call you all dears, my dears.

That said, I'll be at my 29th annual Back To School Night, simply wowing the parents (not unlike Ms. Palin last night - humor! spunk! wearing glasses! I think I'll leave the mean girl schtick out though...).

Since I'm going to miss all the "fun" I'll be counting on you all (yes, you, Liz!) to have a full report (double spaced, proper punctuation, fully footnoted) on OS when I get home.

I'll have my red pen ready. :-)
Hey, Sierra? 'Love the glasses. They're hot now. Glasses are the new black, you know.
I don't see anything useful coming from interviewing with O'Reilly. The only time those interviews go well is when the interviewee has the guts to hammer back at O'Reilly--which Obama does not. I am sad to hear Obama has agreed to this.
Hi, Cloverfield:

I'm curious: Why don't you think Sen. Obama has the guts to hammer back at Mr. O'Reilly?
I'm a bit curious about this, too: Two commenters say that Obama's afraid of O'Reilly. Huh? Whether Obama gets in O'Reilly's face has got to be a strategic decision, not one of courage or cowardice.
Well, missy, I think it's a great idea. In the past, with an important interview O'Reilly has bent over backwards to appear fair and measured. It's a way he can posture that he's tough, but not a bully. This election hinges on wooing those that consider themselves in the middle of the political spectrum. This is a great vehicle to reach a chunk of that population. And please, if Obama can't handle the likes of Bill, then he deserves to flame out.
Just saw Obama's quick interview with reporters, post Bill O'Reilly...didn't say a thing about the interview...but did have some common "talking points" (I guess that the repetative base comments from the camps?)...Anyway...he looked awefully strained and tired. I do believe he'll be pulling his public gloves off a little more and stop letting the media both bid his poor war / as well as let the media get him into trouble. Had the media not been irresponsible in tryng to make a healines instead of a responsible story...Oboma wouldn't be feeling the pressure so much right now.
Sorry for the poor grammer and spelling above, dears...I'll be less sloppy next time.
I disagree. He shouldn't go on. It does nothing for him. It disarms them, yes, for the few minutes that he is on there. The second he leaves, they go back to what they were doing before and blasting him.

Fox News is a propaganda arm of the Republican party and a dumb one at that. It's the biggest Republican constituency. 88 percent of FNC viewers voted for President Bush. That's more than evangelical Christians, who generally vote Republican by about 80 percent. You're better off trying to appeal to them.

I think you inflate their importance and grant them legitimacy if you go on. Does McCain do Democracy Now? Of course, not. If you go on, you are endorsing the point of view that they are a news channel. But they are not. They're not like an aligned newspaper, for example, which is editorially conservative, such as the Wall Street Journal, but who's news stories you can trust to be of a fairly high journalistic standard. Fox News is just junk -- like Pravda.
Good comment Lt. Columbo (by the way, where can I get a trench coat like that one?). Permit me to send a "disagree" back-atcha, for an additional reason. (And, boy is this going to make some folks here groan and call me a naif!)

Sen. Obama is running to be President. Not just president of the Democrats. Not just president of a plurality of the electorate. President of all Amercians - of the "one America" about which he spoke so well. President even of those who vote against him. He has things to say, things that matter, to people for whom Fox may well be their primary source of news.

It doesn't matter if, the instant he leaves the studio, they go back to throwing spitballs. It doesn't matter if he doesn't persuade one person, or garner one vote. Some things really do transcend political calculation, and one of them is respect for your fellow citizens. Tonight he has the chance to speak to those who are the antithesis of of his core constituency. It's the right thing to do.

All other considerations aside, and even if this wasn't his key intention, he's doing something good and profoundly democratic. For that reason alone, I salute him.
It will be interesting to watch and I, too, think Senator Obama can hold his own with BNO.

While Fox News is a propaganda machine, it does reach a segment and in some cases, a market that other channels do not. Before we upgraded to digital cable, we had basic only and the only news channel that Comcast deigned to provide was FoxNews.
[oh, yes, they got letters and phone calls from me]

Thus...in 2004, I had to watch both the DNC and the RNC through the lens of FoxNews. No CNN, no MSNBC. I did watch mostly on PBS or the broadcast networks when I could. but still...and some people have no clue that it is a propaganda machine (which is scary) and just like the all-missing-teenagers-all-the-time take on the news.

The other thing is...if he refuses to go on the show, then they can claim all sorts of scared, lightweight, etc. about him.
Hi Cam, my fellow Canuck.

Back-back atcha...

He can reach those people through another medium. FNC does nothing for him either practically or morally, in legitimizing a propaganda network as real news.
And the trench coat is unique. I've been wearing it since 1968. I wouldn't know how to find another. This one is all worn and crumpled. Just as I like it.
Oh, now you've done it, Lt. Columbo... You and me... It is ON!

Actually, it's not. That's a reasonable position.

Vive le Canada, hoser!
Liz, you're making me laugh right now. You're right: Watching Bill O and eating sushi at the same time. Hope you have an ER nearby!

Looking forward to your blog when I get am done at 9:00...
What if Fox News leans toward the conservative base since no other news network does? And if no other news network does, then where are they leaning?
Cam, I can't wait. I've been a little too horrified to actually watch the RNC, so it will be an excellent diversion. Who can forget Jon Stewart on the Factor?

Leslie, I cant resist, so please don't hate me: Fox News is leaning into the pits of hell. Sometimes they actually reach it.
I'm late to this party Cam, but I'd like to second the questionable use of "lion" as a descriptor for Bill-O, the Loofa Boy. He reminds me more of a mange-ridden wild dog than anything else.

And, I'd like to state for the record that Liz gets my vote for working class heroine of the week. Wish I could munch some hamachi and quaff a bit o'sake with her tonight.
From the bottom of my middle of the road, libertarian ass I hate Bill O'Reilly. I think Obama is right to take him on. ASS!
Did anyone else watch it? I missed some, but I caught enough to wonder why Obama would want to do this. . .
I live blogged it Kerry....come on over!
Well, there. Sen. Obama did great, looked presidential, and Mr. O'Reilly ended the segment by telling his pundit pals that Sen. Obama was a "tough" guy, and "no wimp". And he did exactly what your friendly Canadian here predicted... dialed it down and showed some respect.

Always listen to Canadians.
I saw a small portion and look forward to seeing the entire segment.

Alexandria...it's your opinion. There seems to be a lot respect around here for opinions...but let me add, please, no tv program is worth hate, only worth none of your time!