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OCTOBER 2, 2009 3:33PM

The Death of Civility

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I’ve made the acquaintance on another website of a woman who uses the pen name “Unbreakable” here on Open Salon.  I have never met her, but judging from her writing both here and at the other place, she appears an intelligent, witty, and temperate woman.

That impression was reinforced in my mind this morning when I read her entry entitled "Have We All Gone Mad as Hell?"  I encourage everyone who hasn’t read it yet to do so after (he asked immodestly) finishing what’s currently on your OS plate—this entry.

I have written with some consistency since I first entered the Blogosphere about the death of manners, not just on the Internet, but in social intercourse as a whole.  I have long maintained that it is the continual erosion of civility that will cause the eventual downfall of Western society.  We will crumble from within like so many of our precursors; when we cease to treat our fellow humans with respect and gentility, we have already taken the first steps on the road to perdition.

In the past, I have offered my opinions elsewhere on public policy issues and politics in general.  I tried to offer reasonable comments backed up by relevant data where possible.  My thoughts were mine; if you held a contrary view, that was, and remains, your right.

I don’t do political commentary anymore.  (And by “political” I mean it in its broadest sense.)  I found that by writing entries of that ilk, I a) won the adulation of folks whose position was similar to mine, for the perspicacity I showed in agreeing with them, b) invited varying degrees of excoriation from those I had the temerity to disagree with, and c) never changed anyone’s mind, as near as I can tell.  Besides, even if I did change one person’s mind, what ultimate good did it do?  Nothing.  One man cannot drown out the roar of the ocean.

“Unbreakable” is right:   there are plenty of things in life to get mad about.  She is also right that there is far too much outrage being expressed, on the Internet and in the world at large.  In these times of rapidly expanding technology, many have gotten the mistaken notion that life is infinitely perfectible.  When conditions are something less than optimal from the point of view of a particular observer, it is an outrage.  When an outrage needs improving, the best way to get that accomplished is through anger, bullying, and threatening.

I blame this outlook on two things:  the “Crossfire” mentality of political talk shows to set the example, and the widespread availability of the Internet to provide a forum for Everyman’s voice.  When engaging in a debate, the louder you are, the more snidely insulting, the more profane, the more passion you exhibit, the more convincing and entertaining you will become.  There’s a reason why thoughtful, patient, and agreeable Charley Rose is on Public Broadcasting System in the middle of the night, while Glenn Beck, Lou Dobbs, Bill O’Reilly, Keith Olbermann, Sean Hannity, and Rachel Maddow occupy prime-time slots on their networks.  Conversation doesn’t sell anymore, but extreme positions, snide sarcasm, pompous self-righteousness, and reflexive intolerance does—in spades.

Now, the Internet provides everyone an open mike shot at stardom.  As a late sportscaster acquaintance of mine used to say, “Opinions are like gasholes; every miner’s got one.”  Blog founders like Markos Moulitsas, Arianna Huffington, Michelle Malkin and others have achieved fame, glory, and some amount of fortune, so why can’t you?  And how do you get noticed?  By being louder, more abrasive, and more outrageous than the competition.

There is a post featured on the front page of this site that calls the President of the United States a criminal and a fraud, and equates him in certain respects with war criminals like Adolf Hitler and Josef Stalin.  The author accomplishes this with a liberal dose of YELLING and some vile but all too common vulgarities.  Civil discourse?  The farthest thing from it.  But it’s one of the most viewed entries on the site.

As for me, I have no aspirations to fame and glory.  I’ve retired my soapbox and hung up my pot-stirring spoon.  I’m too old and too tired, and maybe just a little too wise, to waste my time there anymore.  It accomplishes nothing constructive.  I ain’t gonna work on Maggie’s farm no more.

Instead, I’m wandering the meadows and prairies of Open Salon, writing and reading poetry, short fiction, and personal memoirs.  If you’re looking for me, that’s where you’ll find me.  If you like the political mudwrasslin’, please—don’t let me stop you.  Enjoy yourself.

But the name-calling, the incivility, and the echo-chamber arguments aren’t for me.

Are they really for you?

 

© 2009, Kenneth M. Rhodes

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First of all let me say that this entry should be required reading for all who stumble onto Open Salon. This is "Penman" at his best and I applaud you, my friend.

Now, there is a part of me that wants to blame the current air of outrage and intolerance of the ideals of others on the mass media who has taught us that we have a right to be outraged after all, nothing is our fault, and we are all victims. But that would be the easy answer.
This attitude has always been around in this country. Take, for example, the Presidential election of 1796 between Adams and Jefferson. Look at the vitriol that was spewed during that time. The main difference between that time and this is that now we have cable news and the Internet to make sure the hate and animosity reaches into every household.

You and I have crossed swords on many occasions and we have agreed on some things as well, but whether we agree or disagree, we have always held each other in the utmost esteem and respect. And that, my friend, is what many seem unable to do. We can no longer separate the politics from the man.
I wholeheartedly agree with your assessment of the situation and I plan to follow your lead and leave the political battleground behind. Like you I am too old and I have walked enough battlefields in my life. I shall limit myself to a little humor, some memories and the like and let the others march to the beat of their own drums.
This is my first visit to the Wayfarer from North Carolina. And, with his genial intelligent attitude...I'll be back for more! Let's leave the yelling to other people. Smart arguments, with facts and accurate perceptions go a lot further with me than wordy noise.
Excellent! I could even take the loudmouths on TV if they would simply try to be honest. Unfortunately, they are too often prefer distorting the facts than reporting them accurately.
sorry for the bad grammar on my comment. I was thinking faster than typing, or something like that.
No, they have never been for me, dear CarolinaBlue. Abrasiveness, rudeness and crude name calling are something I stand against. There are people that call for peace and say "Namaste" here but have the most horrific language and indecency towards others, that it makes one wonder, "what did you just say? Did you just call for some sanity and clear thinking and then you insult half the population?"
I do appreciate your decision and stand against this and the action you are taking to not participate in the anger that is found here and elsewhere. It will add peace to your heart and years to your life.
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Maybe just maybe if enough of us quit reading the loud and obnoxious posts they will disappear forever or until the next elections at least. I like and agree with what you say!
I agree with everything you wrote. Except, " Besides, even if I did change one person’s mind, what ultimate good did it do? Nothing."

Changing one mind at a time in many cases, is all we can do. ( in a civil manner, of course.)

Good post.
Rounds of applause and kudos for your balanced views and eloquence. I too thoroughly enjoyed and appreciated Unbreakable's excellent entry.

As you know, I'm not a political animal, but even my tongue in cheek humour is sometimes misunderstood. It's a sad situation when we have to choose our words so carefully in order not to offend.

I guess one of the downsides of the internet is the option to be rude to people then disappear into the ether. Manners are something we older folk had drummed into us and like you, I'll be sticking to the gentler, fun and uplifting reading. Excellent post.
Nice of you to come to OS. While I do do the occasional rant, raw and uncensored, I also like short stories, poetry, and the amusing posts, like my friend Torman so artfully supplies. While you won't read me, I will read you, everyone need a course in manners every now and again!
Nice to have civility anywhere these days.
Great post, Ken, and thanks for the plug. :-) You are a true gentleman.

PS: Scanner, those of us who know you, appreciate you for the big softie you are. And even when you rant and rave, you may be very passionate, but you still have a heart. :-)
Amen. If I really dislike what another blogger has to say, I'll just stop reading that person's posts. I'm not here to do battle. There's enough of that in the "real" world.
I like your easy message. I respect that you've been at this for a while and prefer to walk away from politics, arguments, hyperbole and all that elevating the bloodpressure stuff. you make a good argument...it's true you don't really change anyone's opinion but from my pov talk is talk, not hypnotism. I don't really expect to change someone else's pov, but I do love a good spirited discussion and maybe we can teach each other something.

looking foward to your posts.
I stay away from some of the more high-strung OS'ers who can't seem to help themselves from turning into "Mr. Hyde" when anyone dares disagree with them. They attack, use name calling, backstabbing, and other unsavory tactics all to make the point that they are RIGHT, and you are WRONG. Corresponding with these close-minded hotheads is a waste of time which is why I stick to comedy and satire.
Well said, Ken. I find, if I really am offended by the obnoxious screamer of vile and bickering, I just turn them off. I refuse to respond. We encourage those who bait us by indeed taking the bait. Your words are well taken and your posts are always read.

rated for excellence
"And how do you get noticed? "

That's the 25 million dollar question and like you said, a lot of people start screaming to get notice.

Well written piece, and highly rated.
With you, Carolina. Maybe we can form a mass movement of civility.
Eloquence, common sense, and yes, civility... all at their absolute best. Well done, Sir, and thank you.
I'm quite burned out on the lack civility as well. The Obama haters have gotten to me. As a Bush hater I understand, but I still believe that I'm right and they're wrong:) Great post! (Rated)
I never get involved in those blogs, and I don't try to slam people over the heads with my opinion...never have never will.

I applaud you, Roger, Unbreakable and the many others who have yelled out, "Enough...I refuse to participate".

Not reading those is been how I have approached the whole thing, and it has worked just fine. Shouting match mentalities means nobody is really "hearing' them anyway.

Rated
Torman-- We haven't clashed swords as much as we've looked at things from somewhat different perspectives. I have always respected your viewpoints, sir. You may be "right" or you may be "wrong", but you're always a respectful, and respected, gentleman.

Berry-- You provide a fine oasis of calm yourself in your blog, and I intend to obtain solace there frequently.

Procop-- I agree. The loudmouths on TV are paid to drive ratings; the successful ones know just how to do it. Grammer errur ecxused.

Debbs4-- Wonderful thoughts, my new friend!

Lunch-- Read as much as you care to; just don't respond. To paraphrase my Mom, "Don't comment-- it only encourages them!"

Brie-- I stand corrected. You are absolutely right-- sometimes one mind is enough. Thank you.

David-- Thanks!

Linda-- Thank you as ever, my long-time and very wise friend. Your contributions are always welcome.

Scanner-- Ah- do not leap to conclusions, sir. I have read, and will continue to read, your work. I don't always comment on what I read.

Lea-- Very true. Thank you!

UB-- Don't blame me for this day of tolerance and brotherhood. You started it! :)

Eva-- Well said, and spoken with your customary grace.

Nofrills-- I like debate as much as the next person... just without the invective and yelling. When I was in speech & debate lo, these many years ago, I can recall none won with profanity or ad hominem attacks. In fact, it would get you a quick DQ. Thanks for stopping by!

willie-- Agreed. Personal invective and, frequently, profanity make me "turn the channel."

Planner-- You are correct. As always, I appreciate your kind remarks.

Tink-- I don't care about getting noticed. I write what I do because I'm a writer, and I enjoy pleasing the hardy band of loyal followers I've been blessed with. Therefore, you won't find me yelling... besides, I'm too old to yell anymore! :)

AHP-- I will cheerfully join any mass movement with you, sir.

Winda-- It was my pleasure. I follow your example, my friend.

Roger-- You may be right, and they may be wrong. I live in a purple state, and I have met folks who hated Bush and those who hate Obama. I think both sides, in general, mean well-- when you get their blood pressure down, they appear to be normal people. They've just been convinced by the Anne Coulters and Bill Mahers of the world that it's not enough to have an opinion; you have to be convinced that you're absolutely right, and you have to destroy anyone who disagrees with you so that right (or Right) prevails. 'Tis a pity...
A southern gentleman through and through. I find OS is pretty much like any social situation. You have your thinkers, the serious, the funny, the ridiculous, the annoying, the nutcases...thank God we are all different huh? Course, in most of my social situations, I pretty much ignore over half of the people :) I always enjoy listening to you think. Great post, blue.
Buffy-- Whoops! We posted at the same time! Thank you very much for reading and sharing your thoughts.

We of "a certain age" now speak the wisdom that we laughed at and derided when we were younger and heard it from our elders.

Wheel keeps turnin'...
Kristy-- My wise and very funny Southern Belle. As usual, you are "spot on," to borrow a phrase from Linda Cooper and her mates. The only exception I would make would be that here on the 'net, some people use "the cloak of anonymity" to utter venomous statements they would be unlikely to in "the real world."

Or is that why some of the Tea Party folks carry openly displayed sidearms? I'm just sayin'... :)
Great post Ken. I couldn't agree more. A person can rant and rave and not be insulting about it. This should be a "must read" for all bloggers... and others.
Oh, I don't know...if you like writing about politics, you might fall victim to the urge once more. I've seen it happen. I agree that a lot of shouting and arm-waving are a waste of time and that certainly doesn't convince anyone of anything. However, even people who are on your side agreeing with you can be useful. I learn stuff from the people I agree with. I sometimes see flaws in their arguments that make me think a little harder. And I learn something about the thinking of those who are on the other side of an issue. I already know they don't agree with me, but it's interesting to learn why they don't. OS is better than a lot of sites in this regard--less yelling, more content.
Totally agree. Too many Mr Angrys (they are usually male)

Having said that I think that a big problem is when people cannot handle dissent. If one does not agree wholeheartedly one is accused of applying censorship or threatening freedom of speech. We must be able to disagree but let's do it in a civil manner.

Rated.
Nope. "But the name-calling, the incivility, and the echo-chamber arguments aren’t for me. " Nope, not for me either. Fuels the madness of the world.
"Instead, I’m wandering the meadows and prairies of Open Salon, writing and reading poetry, short fiction, and personal memoirs. If you’re looking for me, that’s where you’ll find me." ...And this is where I found you, since I tend to wander the same meadows. Excellent post, together with Unbreakable´s.
Rated.
Marcela
Yes, yelling and screaming louder than the next guy. Insult is so easy, so quick and with internet, so [supposedly] anonymous.

I agree with everything you've said here, and have deplored for years the downfall of civility. Here in France it is no longer taught in school. In divorced homes where parents and step-parents work until all hours, leaving children in front of various screens, kindness is forgotten. And if these values are not learned at home, the "Me, Me, Me Generation" as I call it, explodes. And will ultimately cause our downfall.

Brilliant writing, as usual.