Caroline Marie

caroline marie

caroline marie
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July 24
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Temperamental Story Teller
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MAY 30, 2010 5:13PM

Woman of Mystery

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Have you ever had an experience like I'm about to describe?

You're at the grocery store and you see your neighbor examining produce.  You see her closely but she doesn't see you.

As you watch, you consider what little you know about her and find yourself curious about her story, her life story.  

There's something intriguing about her, even though she's perfectly ordinary.  In fact, she is humdrum: overweight, approaching middle-age, single.  Never married, never seems to date.  

These are the kind of people that have always fascinated me.  I wonder why she isn't coupled like everyone else, if she is lonely, how she spends her time.  I wonder because nothing about her screams "outdoorsy", "artist", "successful business woman" or any other label that could help me imagine what her days are like, how she fulfills herself as a person.  Alone. 

And now I have grown up to become that woman who people wonder about.  Everything I've said about the neighbor perfectly describes me.  Yet I still find it surprising when other people act as if I'm unknowable, hard to read, difficult to define.  

I could write a book describing all the ways I have encountered this reaction, but right now I'm thinking about how OS has brought this to my attention even more.

I used to think of myself as an open person and now I see that is not true. There are many things that I don't want to write about, which has forced me to confront that there are many things I don't want to talk about either.

It is important to me that I appear more together than I really feel, which is true for many people I'm sure.  But the hard-to-admit part is that there is not one living person who I let see the real me.  Not one.

 How did this happen?

Here's one theory:  Each of my parents is a real mess, and everyone can clearly see it.  My father labeled himself as a victim many decades ago and expects everyone to treat him as such.  My mother wears her fears, anti-social behavior and neurotic tendencies as a badge of honor.

I tried on each of those personalities in my adolescence.  By my twenties, I grew to detest those qualities and my rebellion meant concealing my fears and frailties.  The moment I even almost get a whiff of someone maybe feeling sorry for me, every cell in my body stiffens and I puff myself out to be bigger, stronger, better. 

My inherited depressed disposition is a weakness.  I would never admit to being lonely or having feelings of unworthiness.  I am fearless.

I did this even when I was in therapy, gauging what to talk about by the look of pity in the listener's eyes.  Just a hint of pity and I switch gears completely, often with a joke.

The result is that I have friends who don't really know me.  I no longer know how to be emotionally intimate.  I have a social circle, but I am alone.

I have willed myself to be a positive person.  I have dissolved fear after fear after fear.  I  am proud of who I have become, for the most part, and of evolving past the negative nature of my family.

Am I ready to open up now?  Reveal my secrets?

The problem is I can't even remember what they are anymore.

What am I so ashamed of?

Let's see...I'm going to start with the stuff that I expect mild negative judgments about (or that I would actually judge other people for), the things that don't match the me I want people to see:

1.  I just bought & read Marcia Brady's memoir and I enjoyed every word of it.

2.  I use paper plates.

3.  Every day I must spend time laying on the couch doing nothing.

4.  I am attracted to both women and men.  

5.  I have enough books from the self-help section to open my own bookstore.  And I enjoy reading them, so HA!

6.  I enjoy sausages and deli meats.

7.  I believe my dog and I can read each other's minds.  Really.

Well that last one wouldn't surprise many of my friends, but I think the other ones might.

Now I have 2 questions for you:

1)  What are some things about you that even your friends don't know?

2) Do any of you have some questions for me that will help me get to the deeper stuff?  Because I honestly don't know what it is that I'm hiding anymore. 

 

 

 

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Interesting. Yes. There are people I know and sometimes I wonder about them but they seem so self-contained and "normal" I stop wondering. Then there are other people I know who are so messed up I wonder what happened in their childhoods that they never got over. I refer to myself ironically as Miss Mental Health or one of the barely-sanes. My current ambition is that I want to be productive, able to use my education, experience, and skills for others.
I am constantly surprised by either what I don't know about people OR that what I have assumed about them turns out to be not true. I like the way you think--this is very interesting.
Sometimes I think we all want to feel normal, but normal is not the same to everyone.
I see you as very together, very sure of herself, but at the same time unsure of if you are really who you think you are..
I think if you worry about it then you are just fine like you are...but what do I know!
I like how you share yourself here.
good for you! as Mr. Rogers said, "I like you JUST the way you ARE!"
I'm trying to think what most my friends don't know about me. It is hard because I really don't have friends here. Not my friends, like I had when I had my own home. So, I would say that, "Most people don't know that I don't have any real friends any more."

From things you've written before, we know your childhood may have looked normal or good, but that it wasn't. If you have things you want to say about that, then say it. If you've said all you're gonna say, then that's good too.

From things you've written before, your family life now is flawed. Ditto about what you feel about writing.

I don't know what your dreams are, if there is something you are passionate about. Maybe you hide them, even to yourself?

Take every word written with piles of love, friendly hugs, and encouragement to be who you want to be, to write about what you want to write about.
caroline marie, I think everyone has secrets, or at least mysteries, no matter how they may appear to the public. I have a sense from the words you've written here, that blogging may be the type of therapy that will open your own doors to yourself. Just stay open to what's on your mind, and start writing. I am enjoying all of your posts, in particular the fairy tales. Take good care.
I think one of the biggest misconceptions we have is to think we know another person inside and out. There is always more to learn about them and ourselves. We are mysterious creatures...
Thought-provoking post..._r
#3 is my shameful semi-secret. Of course, that's not truly shameful an is easy to admit. With our friends we take our place, define our rolls early on and it's hard to reveal anything that would change things -- if the friends would even allow that? Would they ignore it? Or did the true friends know all along?
I learn the most about myself when I am frightened or angry. If I play around with why I feel these experiences so roughly, I learn more about myself. This approach might work for you, too. We're all entitled to be eccentric. The whole point of self-inquiry is to become stronger.
I liked you before finding out you were a bisexual dog whisperer that uses paper plates.
Now, I realllly like you ;D

I do the cups and utensils too.
bump? huh? No one knows any dang darn thong about me. If I told one person they may tell the world? But, I have nothing that I would intentionally conceal?
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1.
I must love from afar?
My Friends know that?
I tell folks I'd smoochy?
They hightail and scoot!

Friend know I love to go kiss.
My Friends know I'll smooch.
Friend know I eat paper plate.
huh?
Soak plates in smoochy juices.
Juicy-Fruit. Nibble chew gum.
O, Friends know smoochy goo.
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2. huh?
That can't be revealed at O.S.
I sat I'll, shush and no speak.
Then I come here to smooch.
gads
ignore
a hard day
I knew you
kindergarten
my compliment
you pleasant goof
you no flunk school
you be you and kiss
you no pops a snout
I daredevil innocent
a good nights dream
O my O day, O, Oops
O my/your so sweets
What you have described so well is how you have coped with your life....and it may be that the questions we could ask of you are ones you cannot answer.
That may mean that the biggest mystery person in your life is you?

So Caroline,...you are now in the local grocery store, and I have just entered the produce section to see you perusing the veggies.
I note that you look about you and see me standing there....perusing the oranges.

Our eyes meet, and for a little bit...they hold as we both lose ourselves in wondering about the other person. You see a guy tilting his head just a bit...wondering if you are lonely...if you feel the same lonliness that I sometimes feel.

Do you smile at me, Caroline? Do you nod your head?
Is it in you to reach out to me and say hi...or to offer some knowledge of the citrus I am examining?

Is it in you to speak to a stranger and hold me in your conversation and tell me a little bit about you....not much...but enough so that there is the faintest hint of a connection?

Are you/can you be/ that girl?
I like Linda's advice - keep writing to see what you find out. I think, too, we discover more about ourselves in relationships with other people and animals. And I confess that we keep paper plates in the pantry and use them frequently.
I went to a birthday party right after posting this, & it is so fun to come home to all these thoughtful responses!

Nolalibrarian, it's the people in the middle of what you describe that intrigue me the the most: the ones who clearly seem a little different than everyone else but who are reasonably sane. I think your current ambition sounds perfect!

Sophie, I love finding out enough by people to be surprised. And you're right, its a constant, everyone's story is surprising in it's own way.

I think you nailed it, LL2. As someone who has logged in many hours navel gazing, I am just now becoming unsure of if I am really who I think I am ... maybe I'm entering a new phase in my life, I don't know.

dianaani, that's an honest answer (about the real friends)
and I love your question about my dreams & passions.
I think I honestly might be in between passions right now.
I used to be passionate about feminism & adolescent girl issues but that has been my job for the past 10 years and now I'm burnt out on it...I have a few interests simmering right now, but hmm, I'm going to have to think about this. Again, good question. I always love your comments!
Linda, I love your advice & I'm glad you like the fairy tales--they're my favorite to write.

Joan, so true! that was very disconcerting to me when I did have a partner, that feeling of waking up in the morning, looking at them & wondering who they really were. Realizing I would never really know, for sure.

Bell, great observation. It is hard, sometimes impossible, to switch gears once we've presented ourselves a certain way. And good question: are true friends the ones who see beyond the roles we play?

geezerchick, let's hear it for eccentricities! And I agree about becoming stronger through self-examination...I'm just surprised that I'm still surprising myself.
You DO have a way with words, Amanda, that's what I like so much about YOU!

Art, sometimes I get the feeling that you're flirting with me...

JD, I love, love, love your question, because it is really making me think.
Here is my most honest answer:
I am not that girl. But it is my hope that I can become her.

Lucy, I like her advice too. And that's terrible about the paper plates, isn't it? I used to work for GreenPeace for god's sake!
I am anti-social. Only Terri knows me, and not even my family or friends know the real me. People on OS know more about me than anyone but Terri. You seem so held together, and I love the way you write. I hope someone has an answer, or maybe there really isn't a definite answer. Maybe nothings wrong.
This is truly such a fascinating post. It really got me thinking about who all of us really are when nobody's looking. Thanks for this.
Are you ready for more questions? Are you up to the challenge?
Ok...you are not that girl.

Does your heart melt when you read a romance? Do you get teary eyes when you see the homeless on the street?
Do you look in the mirror and smile at what ahd who you are?
scanner, maybe there is nothing wrong & that will be my big revelation. (I'm sorry again about your pooch)

caroline, you're welcome. I once had a job where shoppers were given disposable cameras to take pictures of their rooms, closets, etc. and mail them to me. Now THAT was fascinating...I might have to write about that sometime...

JD, YES keep 'em coming!
I don't read romances,ever. too contrived.
I don't get teary eyes when I see homeless people (I see them every day in my city) but I do always wonder about their story...I've often thought of different projects where I would interview & record homeless folks...
You know, now that you ask, I do sometimes smile when I look in the mirror, especially when I catch myself off guard. (sometimes I even crack myself up...noticing that I went out with my shirt inside & out backwards, for example.) It's funny, I like the person I see in the mirror but not in photos. I don't see my personality in photos.
Great questions!
(I just see that woman at the grocery store in photos)
Is there a person on God's earth that you turn to in times when your heart breaks...that you can tell all to? I know not most people.....but one?>
Do you apply makeup while driving?
that's a tough question for me to answer, maybe because I'm over thinking it. I have people that I COULD tell all to, but I usually choose not to. Also, I haven't had much heartbreak in the past ten years or so.

Those rare times when I do feel an urge to share-- there is one friend who I go to with my parenting traumas, intermittent lost love angst & general despair and she's a wonderful listener, advisor but I still feel as if I'm monitoring myself when we talk.

I feel there is not one person on God's earth who really knows my heart.
amanda, yes. and i just started wearing it daily a few months ago. before that it was reserved for special occasions.
Bravo, you brave woman! You are already looking within and finding those answers to your questions; the keys to understanding your soul.
Just keep going...and don't look back. You are further along than 90% of the world........:)
I don't think so, JD

Thank you so much for the encouragement, Susan
I was JUST about to write something very similar...and now you've given me even more inspiration. My mask is 'way too successful--the me nobody knows is not that woman people are so drawn to. If she were...she wouldn't be goin' solo into that new adventure I've written about so often, would she. Well...maybe. But...you're really on to somethin' here! THANKS!
I was masked for many years. And it took many years for me to pry it off, always too scared of what other people might see... I seldom wear it now, which doesn't mean I'm transparent or a share-all person. I just choose more often to show my beautiful, flawed self with my quirks and weirdnesses and goodness. I have to be honest: it's easier this way, AND loneliness seldom rears its head...
Keka, I'm looking forward to reading your post

mypsyche, thank you for the inspiration
Very thought provoking... I've written a lot here that some of my new friends (in real life) didn't know...not that I was hiding it...just hadn't had time for those all night sessions I had before kids and steady employment. But there is more to tell. The down deep, well under the ground stuff that will be unearthed in due time.
Hi mimetalker!
I don't really feel like I'm hiding anything specific either. It's more like a general state of not feeling known, and not being sure what to do or say that will change that.
It takes a lot of courage to truly open one self to the world,...or even to one.
You have that courage....and perhaps it is time now.
An excellent start here.

By the way...you say you "can be" that girl......perhaps it is time? : )
I think so, JD.
Thank you for the questions & encouragement.
Interesting. Your honesty here and the comments. I sometimes accuse myself of having the opposite of anorexia - I don't see a fat, middle aging woman in the mirror. I'm delusional about how I look, although I have never considered myself pretty.
Going through so much real drama this year has proved a few things. I DO have a few friends who know me inside and out. People surprise me every day - in both good and bad ways.
I think, often, as I am often in the middle of a crisis :"Maybe he/she is going through the same thing." It helps when I think people are being too aggressive in situations. "Maybe they need to get to a hospital. Go ahead and cut me off."

However, I am told that I have a look that conveys a thousand words. I may not be telling someone what I think, but I get a very pissed off look on my face and stare. Passive aggresive!

The mind/body/soul conundrum is endlessly fascinating to me.
If I've learned anything from OS, it's that we all have a personality we hide form the world, and everyone has secrets. I look at people in my real life differently now, wondering which one of them is the scanner type, or the amanda type, or the caroline type. I feel strongly that writng will help you discover who you are. So will therapy. :) Also, lists. I make tons of lists that surprise me.

Why Joan Crawford? :)
I have to think about this and come back. I don't see anything to be ashamed about on your list. One thing about getting to know you, speaking only for myself... it's sometimes hard for me to hear the grace and beauty and intelligence and humor in your writing while looking at Joan Crawford. Seriously. Just sayin..
I can relate to this on a number of levels. There are a number of things I don't write/talk about because I have a pretty good idea of what the judgement upon them is going to be . . . some of them cause me shame, but most are simply things I choose to keep behind the mask.

I am lucky, in that the woman I married is my best friend. If anyone knows me, it's her. Yet I know that there are things I hide from her, too . . . usually to protect myself, sometimes to "protect" her from having to think about them, too.

A few years ago, I realized that my closest friends realized that they didn't know me as well as I knew them - I broke down and told one of them how depressed I was, and she exclaimed that she was honored that I was talking about it with her . . . and that several in our circle had been concerned, but didn't know how to address it, since I had never spoken of my inner world.

As for the questions . . . I'm still working on them. I guess most of us aren't alone in our alone-ness.
aim: I have that same anti-anorexia thing, I see myself much thinner than I really am too. Well, at least it's a more positive outlook. That's great about your real friends showing themselves in your time of crisis--I have some incredibly wonderful people in my life who would probably be there for me too. And there's also one or two who would probably head for the hills. I love that you have a face of 1000 words, I've been told the opposite: apparently I'm very hard to read. Thank you for your thoughtful comments.

sweetfeet: so true about OS! I too am a lover of lists, have had plenty of therapy and have been journaling my whole life (minus my first 4 years of being a mom.) I think I'm just going through a mid-life growth spurt, we'll see.

Why Joan Crawford?

Here's my thought process, in order of appearance:

1. I LOVE old joan crawford (& bette davis, liz taylor, cary grant, etc.) movies. LOVE them. The soapier the better.

2. Joan Crawford had such an expressive face (like aim?) She has that great charming expression with the devilish eyes. Until very recently, I almost always wore a smile, even when angry.

3. Adoptive mother, like me. Perfect appearances, but plenty of bad parenting behind the scenes. That's how I feel. I know I'm not mommy dearest, but I beat myself up over my parenting just about every day and even have flashes of the book Penny will write.

4. When I saw this particular photo of JC, I immediately knew it was perfect for my blog. I love the irony of it. Mask vs. reality. I love how she's so put together, "on stage," accommodating, approachable and yet, there's that one eyebrow. If you look closely,
that one eyebrow has something else to say.

5. When I started blogging, the photo was even more fun to write behind than I expected. I am not very put together (note story above of going to work with my shirt inside out & backwards) or accommodating or approachable for that matter. It's a fun role to play, while JC's eyebrow & reputation capture my dark side.

6. So, I love that photo. It's light & dark, charming & scary, known & unknown.

(And I'm just choosing to ignore all the other stuff about Joan, her outspoken anti-feminism, for example.)

I have even more to say on the subject, but I'm tired. Maybe I'll have to do a whole post sometime.
Owl, that's so interesting to hear about the experience with your friends, and the things you hide from your partner. Your last line seems truer & truer all the time.

And you are a very lucky woman.
Friends? you have friends? Being yourself takes a lot of courage and for me it doesn't seem to draw many people to me --I guess because I expect the same from others. And that's just it--the depth of connection can only go as deep as the other will allow. I've tried to make it deeper, it doesn't work. Free choice and all that jazz. I think it would be safe to assume that everyone on here share your feelings. This venue is so strange to me, people behind avatars, not feeling safe and then one day they post a photo of themselves and wow, I think oh there you are! It's nice to see your face. On the other hand we get caught up on images, the surface of things and it distracts us from what's underneath.

I had a talk with my daughter the other day--About how you can chip away at your own soul, sell a little of it just to fit in or to be on the "in crowd" She just wanted to go to this "friend's house" because that's where one of her other "friends" was. She knew she'd feel left out but wanted to go anyway to swim and be with them even to compromise her self worth. We had one heck of an emotional roller coaster ride over that but I think she's beginning to understand. I hope.

We can do it to ourselves too, determining not to be a certain way, perceiving like I did-- a parent and their misguided self awareness--and then you realize that there's that part in you and if I step back for a minute and quit judging it. it actually is a quality that may just need a little refining, not dismissing it altogether.

On and on go the thoughts..... Good questions good post!
And also, well it's all a process of self discovery isn't it! Growth! Yay! I have to say that it's hard enough to know ourselves as we are constantly growing and evolving, let alone truly know someone else as they are growing and evolving, or appearing to evolve but staying stagnant!

Yikes this can go on an on can't it??
Oddly, Caroline I've never really been very curious about people. I rather take them as they come. Conversely, I've always been a person who evokes ridiculous curiosity in people. I have no idea why. When I ask, I'm told generic things like...you seem like you know a secret or have one. I said all that to say, I think I vaguely know what you're talking about, and just maybe you're not hiding anything at all. You just didn't choose to share yourself...yet.
Caroline: This post gets HUGE applause from me for it's stunning honesty. Keep digging and more will surface. This is such a safe place to say what is true. And you did so.

My first reaction is the we shoud mix ourselves together. Because, though I don't have friends galore as once I did, I am self-disclosing to anyone who crossed my path. My kid,, who is much like you though she doesn't know it, teases me but in fact my "social life" is less with friends, but more with people I meet on the run.

In the last two very intense days of moving, I've had many stranger into friends encounters--more than in years. I once thought of an Open Call about what is the thing you tell no one. You have answered that call. I believe if you keep writing on your progress in opening up then you will feel less alone. I surely feel alone sometimes. It's that inside/outside thing.

Inside and I'm writing here or elsewhere and disconnected from any RL community, which I no longer have. But during "outside" days, something comes over me and I become intimate with strangers, taxi drivers know more about me than some of my friends. I am exceedingly flaky on some days, days without sleep and I lose things that no one else would. I say this because we are each eccentric, each in her own way.

You have an amazing imagination and do not keep bottling it up. This post is your coming out. Now, if you keep on telling us your truths, as you find them slowly slowly, I bet you will develop less of a mask and more of a shared soul even with merely passing acquaintances, not a bad place to start.

If I am not making much sense it's because I had two nights without sleep and the craziest day, one of the weirdest and I was and am today: beyond weird. But sharing that helped me feel part of the human community if not part of a circle of friends. Practise my dear, you draw so many great OS people to you because you write so well and are so very brave in this post. Love you, Wendy and dare I say, I consider you my friend. Because I do. RRRR
Anne, I like hearing your thoughts on this subject & would like to hear even more!

Fay, people fascinate me. Endlessly.

Wendy, your comments make perfect sense. I love that share you so much with people who cross your path--I think that must be so freeing, and something for me to aspire to.
And now I have grown up to become that woman who people wonder about.

Love this, Caroline Marie! Excellent post. I think people wonder about me, too. The funny thing is, I don't think there's much that they don't know about me because I am so open and talkative. But probably that's the source of curiosity.
I'm curious about you, PJ, like about where you get the energy to work so hard? Thank you for reading & commenting.
I have a social circle, but I am alone. I have willed myself to be a positive person. I have dissolved fear after fear after fear. I am proud of who I have become ..." Yep. yep. It's a minority of folks that are simple enough to say they know themselves well. It's an even smaller minority who actually know someone else well. The rest of us, we are far more complex than even we know. No one knows me well. Not even me and believe me, I've tried!
Oops! I forgot to put the " at the beginning of the first sentence, which is yours CM.

Since I'm back for a sec, I may as well say ... they wouldn't make paper plates if we weren't intended to use them, so there. Stop the guilt train and just recycle.
Hmmm, Gabby Abby, I like your positive perspective on this, that we are more complex than the others. Dare I say, I think you're right!

(and yes, I've tried too, but there's always another layer...)
Great post, sorry I missed it when it first came out. I think that people need to be who they are. No one else's standards or formulas seem to apply. Thanks for sharing this. R
Thank you for stopping by, Sheila.