Caitlin Kelly.
The name behind the post that ended one of the longest stretches of time on OS without a dustup to create, (what else?) a dustup. In case you were solving world hunger, away from OS over the weekend, living your life and/or pretended not to notice, we the people of OS managed to exhibit some of the best of our worst behavior.
Some decided to haul out the pitchforks and bring flaming torches (in the form of words, accusations and some really awful name-calling) and dress it up like poop as they delivered it to Caitlin Kelly’s blog step. Talk about putting someone in the crosshairs. Isn’t that what "we the people" are so outraged by as far as Sarah Palin’s targeting of individuals?
We have the horrible events of Tucson to remind us.
That Caitlin's post stirred up a big dose of controversy and judgment from all sides is only the beginning. Before you think for a minute I am defending her post (I’m not; but I fully defend her right to freedom of speech and opinion as I do yours and yours and yours), I want to state a couple of facts as well as opinions. It’s not the usual navel gazing or gushy writing that begs for gushy comments. And yes, I am fully aware by doing so, that I am also having a little fun here at Caitlin’s expense, as many others believed they were when the offshoot posts sprang up.
But I’m completely serious.
I am in no way contributing to the pileup and pile on that occurred after her post caught fire. I am looking to reason and for reasonability.
I'm a former newspaper columnist and restaurant critic. While I did not write for anything as prestigious as the New York Times, I understand the need for objectivity and an ability to set emotion aside when it comes to journalism. That she may or may not think of me as a "colleague" is immaterial. That I have observed a "coolness" to her writing comes from this understanding. But blogging is different than journalism (in my opinion) and that coolness may in fact be what got Caitlin into some hot water.
The moment I read her post (within minutes of it getting published), I cringed and thought to myself, “Oh, no. This is not going to go over well in this community.” One of the most important keys to a writer’s success is to know your audience. Since I am not Caitlin, I can only surmise that either she does not know the OS audience or perhaps she simply doesn’t care.
We the people have the right to disagree. How we go about doing it never ceases to amaze me. I posted my comment and I stand behind it. I didn't attack her personally and thought many of her points were excellent.
But let me be perfectly clear. I personally disliked the tone and as some stated, found it to be self-promoting and condescending. But unlike many who were outraged by her opinion, I didn’t take it as a personal attack on me, or my writing (or on any other OS member either). My comment reflected my ability to be objective about the content and not look at it as an opportunity to attack her.
My purpose of or reason for blogging is probably very different than Caitlin's. I accept that we all have our own and will defend anyone’s right to utilize a blog however he or she chooses. I may not like it, but if that’s the case, I can click elsewhere without saying a word. Silence often speaks louder.
About midway through reading, I came across a typo in the post. I knew that if I caught it, someone else might too. I also knew that someone who was utterly offended by the tone and content of the post might very well decide to take her to task and rake her over the coals because of it and point out the error in the comment thread. I sensed the ensuing onslaught before it even happened.
So I PMed Caitlin and informed her of the typo. She quickly corrected it and graciously wrote back to thank me. I went on with my day. Later on in the morning, I went back to her post and noticed that it had raised a lot of hackles and the inevitable slow motion car wreck was unfolding. That familiar discomfort in my gut began as I noticed many people who I consider online friends exercising their right to free speech without exercising much caution. I couldn't witness it any longer.
I have been the recipient of one of these pileups and have a boatload of comments to prove it. We the people can learn much more about each other on OS from reading comments than we can often glean from edited writing in the form of posts. The now defunct tomreedtoon comes to mind. He found great pleasure in being negative and mean, as if he had no other choice. We all do. When he crossed the line by becoming threatening, he violated more than the terms of service and his account was deleted. His "target"? Caitlin Kelly. You can thank her for taking it seriously enough to get him off this site. If you were never the victim of any of his vitriol, consider yourself lucky.
In the heat of passion, anger or heated debate, people show their true colors. You can’t edit or erase your own comments. Even after the post has died and the flames have subsided, those arrows are a permanent record and reflection of who we the people ultimately are. They are often cruel and ugly reminders. We all leave footprints.
For those of you who have been around OS for at least a year, you might remember a member named Will Someone Feed the Cat. She was smart, snarky funny, clever and witty. She was a great writer and a very generous reader who compiled a weekly list of posts that were bestowed with Tiara Picks. These were sometimes more coveted than EPs. She was a beloved member of this community and is missed by many, including me.
What many people perhaps won’t recall or didn’t know, is that when she first arrived on the scene, her initial post was downright caustic and mean spirited. She came into OS wearing boxing gloves and single handedly attacked members by name for poor spelling and grammar and basically told some of them that their writing sucked. She didn’t know her audience and she didn’t endear herself in any way. That came later.
For what it’s worth, the perception of Will Someone Feed the Cat or Caitlin Kelly or of anyone else for that matter (including me) is not something that anybody can control. What we can control is how we the people react to them. I’ve been around the block and on OS long enough to know that there are people who, for one reason or another are lightning rods. They stir emotions, shake the foundation of our beliefs or raise our ire just by the tone of their words. What credence we give them or those feelings and how we respond is entirely up to us.
The proof of how that was done in the case of Caitlin’s post rests in the comment thread. I submit that for whatever real or perceived crime she allegedly committed with her tone and her opinion (to which she is fully entitled to have both), there were equal crimes committed in the name of vilification. There were plenty of accomplices who sought to attack her personally and professionally and in some cases, used the lowest form of name calling and left it as evidence. As often is the case, some of the perpetrators returned to the scene of the crime.
If you can take your personal feelings out of the equation for a moment and read the comment thread alone, I wonder how any one of you would feel about having those same words that appeared there directed at you, as a person and not just as a writer.
Take a moment and let that settle in.
The comment thread offers more than enough evidence to prove that we the people of OS need to consider the reasons we justify such behavior in our responses where civility might better serve us all.
In the end, the tone from both sides may in fact not be defensible but the right to free speech or to remain silent does. Whether it be by gun or with a choice of words, they are both weapons that can have devastating effects when they are aimed at individuals.
I've seen it happen here more than once. Some of them simply disappeared or were run out of Open Salon because of words that repeatedly stabbed them.
We are all moving targets.
I rest my case.


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I'm not convinced that did not happen this weekend, i.e., that is the controversy may have been purposeful. I would not have anyway to know, although I do see your point.
And I too very much miss The Cat.
Rated.
Not to diminish any of your finely-made points... just sayin'...
http://open.salon.com/blog/emma_peel_2/2011/01/23/the_new_os_tos Sorry for the indirect link, but I don't know how to link in comments.
We are all entitled to free speech and add to that the "tone-deafness" that online writing sometimes brings to the picture, well, interesting things happen.
I think this dust up mirrors previous ones which usually deal with the definitions of what makes good writing/amateur writing/professional writing and so on that has plagued OS. Every time this subject is touched upon tempers flare.
I have visualized the imaginary lines drawn in the sand here and though I could speculate on the answers, I still wonder ... Why?
Who benefits?
Plato
When the pile-on happened, I did encourage the perpetrators because it was a mob mentality and I admit it, it was fun to be in the mob. Guilty of the OS disease, here. But I didn't think that the majority of the comments were that personal. I think most reacted to the blog, not the blogger. That she put some negative aspects of herself on display was her mistake, since they became available for comment.
Big Salon is no longer fun to comment on because they are almost exclusively mean-spirited ad-hominem attacks on the article author and each other. I don't think OS comes anywhere near that level of viciousness, thank god, and I think these dustups are mostly on the level of middle-school playground tantrums, nothing more. Just my opinion.
Her closing line asked for opinions. She got 'em. Let's move on.
I get that people like to be cruel (I don't -- reason makes for a far better tool) but your metaphor of Tucson is precisely right. Words/guns: does the weapon matter if you are uncivil in any way??
Thanks for a great, well-written and reasoned post. Rated and I'll read you more often now.
I saw nothing wrong with Caitlin's post, but then again, I read her work regularly and have respect for her as a writer, and I am accustomed to her voice. I left a favorable comment well before the brou-ha-ha broke out and I stand by it. I also stand by the comment I made in emma's post that "I was flabbergasted at this weekend's harsh response to a post to which I sincerely commented favorably. I, for one, appreciate the fact that we have professional writers and journalists and English professors among us, and that they share their expertise."
In the meantime, a well-liked member of the community obtained her first paid writing job from the exposure she's gained here on OS. I shudder to think what any editors looking in to review her work would have seen flowing through the feeds this weekend! But the good news is, OS still works, and OS still has some great writers. Present company included :-)
I hope Caitlin doesn't get run off.
@cartouche: I know you've been a restaurant critic, and I know you love fine food and gourmet cooking, so I was hoping that you -- of all people -- would give me a serious tongue-lashing on today's post. You didn't. Please take a shot. I'm begging you.
Most of the ensuing madness was partially spontaneous fun for fun's sake. But all of it was at the expense of a person who attacked a lot of us while promoting herself.
The repeated and rude use of "you" and "Your" sealed her fate with me. She should have left the finger pointing out of it.
Such errors in writing and judgment deserve backwash of great and hilarious proportions.
There should be more good writing advice posts. But the best help writers make effort to respect the feelings of their audience, to get to the point and to humble themselves and earn the respect that they crave.
I write for fun and experience, and so I didn't take it to heart, because I don't expect her to like my work and not hurt she doesn't want to. A lot of folks on here are good and still not going to make it in the professional world of paid writing, and not sure why. I didn't know her well enough to PM and ask about the tone, sorry someone else didn't. Sometimes it comes off worse than we think, I know that happens with my patients who are already defensive about their bad habits. Thanks for being classy Cartouche.
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That's life. I prefer to sit back and joke about it all. It's free entertainment, and great fun! Being provocative is usually something people do by choice, and there is no such thing as bad publicity.
To refer to "the people of OS" as if there is some juggernaut at work here, or to talk about THOSE WHO MAKE THE RULES as if there is such a phenomenon--both thoughts are ludicrous.
I checked with Cindy, and she agrees with me! Er, wait a minute...
*YELLP*
Now, I don't go in for "dust-ups" here (I may have commented on one or two in the two years I've been here), but I stand by my sharp and pointy criticism of Ms. Kelly's negative and cynical post.
Next day, I thoughtfully analyzed the reaction to her advice, and I'll leave that link too. Other than the headline, chosen simply to attract eyeballs, it's not a silly piece like the first one was.
But scolding people is fun, and attracts attention too.
@xenonli xl: Who exactly did Caitlin attack? I saw no names in her post. She mentioned up front that she had many favourites here and the list was varied. It always amuses me when people say no "harm" was done and people "deserved" to be called cunts and have their integrity attacked simply because some people can't help but project all their inadequacies/lack of self esteem onto others. Trust me, if it was done to you, you would not be laughing.
Quote Investigator is a fantastic site for combating the erroneous quote attributions that proliferate on the Internet. Read this for the correct attribution for your quote. ACK! Not being condescending, just a righteous nit-picker! Fight back against Internet factoids!
I did read her bio this time around and it's clear that she's one tough cookie, which might explain her writing tone. I just don't know. If I were she I would try to learn something from this experience, like, maybe, if you speak respectfully to people they will be more likely to do the same. Maybe that's not her style? Who knows? I do know that reading her advice, responding to it, and reading the responses to the response have mostly "made me" feel bad. Since that isn't my goal when coming here, or anywhere for that matter, I think I'll be one the next train out if here. Again.
:D
Some who read it thought it was a mean spirited, provocative post. I've detailed my feelings about it to her and in my blog, particularly in my last response to Emma. (I closed my comments because I didn't want to keep this going. I thought it might be beating a dead horse. )
There were ample opportunities for Ms Kelly to clarify her words especially if she thought she was being misinterpreted and/or "piled on" and/or treated unfairly, particularly early on. But it's possible she was busy elsewhere.
Caitlin Kelly is not above being criticized. As far as I could see her post was terribly condescending, irritatingly so. And she caught hell for it.
As for the parodies and the follow up comments, I thought they were hilarious AND brilliant. That post of Ms Kelly begged to be parodied. And it was, by the best!
Again, I'd like to suggest she might have come down to ground level on Saturday night and commented on one or two of those parodies and at least tried to see the humor (or the attempts at it) and maybe, MAYBE recognized that she failed to hit the target she was aiming at and that she came off poorly. She might have acknowledged that she missed by a mile.
But she didn't.
And the band played on.
I just bought some new pots. Kisses...
Especially when they are insulting and condescending! Even me.
If the foo......!
I got enuff personalitees tuh start a gang war all by my lonesome.
Wuna dese days I'm gonna.
Yool see.
I don't like ANY dustups when they go too far. What I wrote about last night in my blog was the parodies. I had no idea the responses to her blog had gone so raw.
As I said to you here and at my blog, I believe she could have addressed the comments and the bad feelings her post generated and calmed things down. But she didn't. In fact, she went in the opposite direction.
That was unfortunate because I believe it made matters worse. But that is not the same as saying she deserved to be treated badly and I hope you can recognize that.
1) I heart Brussels sprouts! xox
2) Snip is toasted! Walnuts are a nice edition. (sic) xox
The second comment was written upside down and backward and addition read as edition. xox
rated, excellent view on the whole situation.
@J.K., after all the money I spent to get my Hapsburg lip reduced you still saw right thru me. No wonder you're a general.
@Bellwether, I tried your recipe tonite for kumquat pie. It was the first pie of any kind I've ever made. We shall try it in five more minutes. "Expressing" the seeds was the only tedius challenge.
This is tiresome.
and
there's always going to be people who enjoy arguing just because they feel like it.
Unfortunately, my 12 yr. old is one of them--I'm hoping she'll grow out of it.
Something I admire is the resulting introspection after this event. Caitlin did point her finger, but then we pointed ours back. Pointing mine at myself, I wonder why I took the time to comment, or even continue reading. There was another blogger, who seems gone now, who posted similar puffy strutty I'll tell you people how it is posts, and I never commented, and stopped visiting his blog after the first few. Why did Caitlin's post hook me, when his did not? I don't have an answer yet, but I want to think about it, because that says something about me.
I disagree with the commentor who said that it was not appropriate to link this dust-up with the Arizona shooting. Inosfar as it harkens back to the civility of tone issue that was raised when the tradgedy occured, to my mind it is appropos. True, there is no direct line between the nasty political rhetoric of late and the shooter's motivations, but the fact remains...nasty breeds nasty. It's not hard to imagine someone, inflamed from such hate mongering, doing something similar.
What was I saying again...got off track. Oh, your work here is always completely excellent. I appreciate your example.
Peace, love and hair grease!
Creativity always comes to our rescue. I see some of the most sensitive, and yes, perhaps angry folks on this forum channel their energy into becoming better writers (many times they soar gloriously).
Perhaps Neilpaul also has it right. It gets down to ones level of self-esteem:
"If you find someone condescending that is because you lack healthy self-esteem. I never think people are condescending to me. That would be absurd."
There are a couple of people I follow on OS who tend to write with a bit of an ego, or with a sense of writing-styled name dropping. I may even do it myself from time to time (I know I've mentioned my own novels every now and then when talking about writing). But in the end, my reason for being on OS is because I like being part of the community, and reading as much as writing. I realize I'm not one of the big names here, nor am I one of the people who readers flock to whenever a new blog post appears from him. But I love to write, and I love to read. OS is perfect for that.
I'm sorry whenever someone alienates himself/herself for whatever reasons. I hated it when Trotter (or whatever his name was) went kind of nuts and disappeared, and then reappeared, or whatever his status is these days. Some people live for the drama. I live for the writing (and the reading, which goes hand in hand).
Others think being "strong" is showing restraint, whether physically or verbally.
If we can't even agree on something so simple, ain't much chance we're going to agree on much else.
I wasn't here for the brouhaha, but she had some good points.
Pity it inspired confrontation instead of conversation.
Just like at that accident, we all play our roles here. I am kind of disgusted that I volunteered to rubberneck at the tail end of it. It just slows down traffic and makes me feel sick to my stomach.
This kind of stuff makes me feel more and more like being a recluse isn't such a bad idea.
As someone much wiser than I am once said, sarcasm poisons both the victim and the deliverer.
I hate to see bullying in comments, however, she really did set herself up for this. Her tone was arrogant and condescending to many of the people on OS, like the hard-nosed editor with a dose of Simon Cowell thrown in for extra acidity.
I don't think I'll be back to read her work anytime soon.
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