Catherine Forsythe

Catherine Forsythe
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know a bit about computer security, dogs, horses, skiing, medicine and making risotto. My nickname in real life/online is "Noggie" - I'm on Twitter, with the @dogreader account.

MAY 25, 2010 1:30PM

When It Is Wrong to Say "No!" to the Dog

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There are occasions when you know your dog is going to do something that you don't want. You just know it. You know your dog and you can tell. You almost can see the dog thinking - 'should I or shouldn't I do this'.
 
You can borrow a page from what the mother-dog does with her litter. Instead of a low growl, you can say something like 'ack', 'don't', or some consistent sound that encourages the dog to rethink the decision.  A mother-dog would issue a low growl. That is enough to persuade pup to think about what it is deciding to do.

The reason that "no" is inappropriate is that the dog has not done anything wrong  - yet. The dog is thinking about it. The word "no" should be tied to a physical behaviour. You know your dog well enough to read its body language. For example, just think of when the dog spots a squirrel. The dog's eyes focus; the set of the body changes; the ears are up; the tail is pointed  - and you just know that the dog is thinking of bolting and giving that squirrel a good scare. This is when you want to interrupt the dog with an "ack". It just reminds the dog that this is something that you don't want to see happen. This is just another small behaviour that establishes you as the leader of this small pack.

Using "ack" also allows you to guard the "no" command. You do not want to use "no" indiscriminately and unfairly. You want to save it as something that the dog knows is serious.

And again, there is nothing magical in the word itself. Just select a word that comes to mind readily. If you consistently use that word/sound, the dog will learn to attend. It is just a sound to disrupt the dog's focus and remind the dog that you know what it is thinking - and you disapprove. When your dog makes a good decision and doesn't decide to cause problems, praise. Positively reinforce the dog for not doing something. Praise lavishly for good decision making. It will give the dog confidence. The dog made a great choice and you need to acknowledge that your best friend did well.  
 
Catherine Forsythe
 
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Hey Jane, a good throaty sound works just fine. The sound just has to be used consistently. The dog will make the connection.
Excellent dog-training points, Catherine. We use "leave it" a lot and avoid the no's. Positive reinforcement is critical.
Kathy, you are so right! The best dog trainers constantly look for opportunities to praise the dog. It creates boldness and confidence in the dog. The dog initially enters the relationship wanting to please. So often people silently accept good behaviour and only become vocal when there is an error.
I "aahhhahhhg" my pup every time I see her brow cringe, it's the only thing that averts her attention away from the bunnies and squirrels and feral kitties. I'm pretty sure my neighbors think I have tourettes!
Angelou, your neighbors may wonder but your puppy must think that you are an absolute genius. Somehow, you can read her thoughts.
a great reminder for all dog owners or dog owners to be. i often snap my fingers or say "ehh" to let my dog know i'm on to her. she can also tell by a look or body language that she shouldn't do something and will then come over and lick my finger or roll over, at which point i pet her and tell her she's a good dog. wish the kids would learn from her example...
This is a great reminder. I will have to check myself to see if I use no appropriately. I do use a gentle bump if she is close but I suspect the awk! would work as well. Thanks!
lemonpulp, that roll over is a 'doggy apology'. She saying that she is sorry and that you're right. You have a very respectful dog.

mypsyche, a bump or a tap of the finger on top of the head works too. However, I always want to have control at a distance and a sound will do that for me.
This is a good reminder. I've tried the aah aah sound with my dog but she is so stubborn. She will stop when I approach her but when I walk away she carries on doing what she wants which is barking at people who pass by pushing strollers, wearing hats, or walking another dog--worst of all. We still love her though.
'Dear reader I married him', the best way to control barking is to teach the dog to bark on command. It is like having an "on-off" switch. The first thing is to teach the "on switch" part. It will surprise your dog and please it to no end.

I will try to post on the barking issue within the next month or so...
Wow. I wish someone had taught me this ages ago. It makes perfect sense, but I have been saying "no" to both intentions and actions for years. You're a smart cookie.
Thanks, Ann! I learned this from hunters when I was very young. The retrievers who were new to the hunting experience would be so eager. Once they heard a shot, they knew that there was probably game to retrieve. The dogs would tremble with anticipation. Every fibre of their bodies would be crying out to run and to retrieve.

It would be completely wrong to say "no" to the dog at that point. It would confuse the young retriever and possibly take the enthusiasm out of the dog. A well time "ack" would remind the dog that he/she was suppose to be sitting. The hunters may see another flock of birds coming. By avoiding the "no", the hunters did not tell the dog that retrieving was wrong. The dog simply had to wait to be told to go. And when released to retrieve, it was glorious to see. The dog would experience pure joy. That was what Mother Nature had gifted that breed and that dog. Retrieving answered a call from its very DNA. And the dog never heard "no" in that situation. It only would have confused matters. That dog's skill and enthusiasm meant that there would be a fine meal of wild game that evening.
Interestingly, we use the same training philosophy on baby bird, and it seems to work well.
Over the years I've developed a good growl, always worked for me. :)
My sister uses baby gibberish and it never works, LOL
like most of the others I'm a "eh" person myself. Low if it's just a thought they are considering sharper if they are moving forward to the object. They both seem to get it. Not that they always listen to me, but they know what I want. Our older lab mix is so stubborn some days I have to get up and move towards her for her to give up her objective. Then she gives me this big fake dumb grin like "oooohh, that's what you wanted". Ppthh, I swear these animals are smarter than me.
Personally, I just have a heap of trouble with the whole negative thing. It's like "No." Then, it's like "Do it." That's all I hear. Like when they say, "Don't lick the door knob." You just have to lick. Jess' sayin'.
My dog instantly understood the meaning of "ach." She remains on the fence about "No."
Jane, I do use a "nice throaty ahem", works great. It also works pretty good when my wife uses it on me - coincidence?. I think not.